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Saturday, March 24, 2012

Jim Bakker scribbles on Zach, talks junk with Bill Whaley part 3

Gord Pedersen: 'How does that Silver Sol shit work again?'
This is the final post for this episode. If you haven't already read the first part, please click here for part 1 of Jim Bakker scribbles on Zach, talks junk with Bill Whaley.

I wasn't aware that Dr Gordon Pedersen was the man behind Silver Sol, but he's the one in the commercial so now he owns it in my book. He tells us some gobbledy-gook about his miracle tonic, explaining that the particles of silver are so tiny that they can 'enter a red blood cell'. He says this is good because there's nothing to 'irritate or agitate', and that the particles of silver are just there to 'kill the germs'. I haven't been following the Silver Sol scene, but this sounds very, very stupid to me. Why would anyone voluntarily ingest something that is going to enter their blood cells and 'kill the germs'? How does silver know the difference between a germ and a blood cell? This sounds like an experiment the Japanese would do on Allied POWs to see how long they'd survive. Why would anyone even waste their time with this? It's so stupid it's laughable.

This is what happens when you follow Jim Bakker's advice
I did a little looking on this Dr Gordon Pedersen. Don't let the white lab coat fool you, because Gordon Pedersen is not a medical doctor. He has a PhD from a toxicology program which sounds promising, but in this press release he's billed as the “Anti-Aging Master Formulator” which causes my quack-alert siren to whoop loudly inside my head. I don't feel very comfortable here, Mr Pedersen. Didn't this silver stuff turn some guy's skin blue like a smurf not too long ago? I think I'll pass on your miracle tonic this time around. My body already does a good enough job 'killing the germs' and you know what they say: If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I'll tell you what though: When I'm on my deathbed, I'll take a swig and see if it does anything for me. Does it cure dying?

Jim Bakker's Blue Skin Ointment w/ bonus Amoeba Pot, $88
Zach announces a Silver Sol package for $600, then Sasha announces a case of 50 for $900. These packages come with Neti Pots. Why hasn't Jim told us the scary stories involving Neti Pots and brain-eating amoebas? Hasn't he heard about the people who have died after using them? It's strange to think that nobody on that stage has heard about the Neti Pot amoebas, and it makes me wonder if Jim's hiding the truth a little bit there so as not to cut into his own product sales. Blue skin coloring and brain-eating amoebas...that's two strikes against this Silver Sol package already. Yet Jim Bakker is still selling it with no mention at all about these serious risks? Doesn't sound very honest to me, Pastor Bakker.

Lori says "Wow!" while Jim gulps air
We're out of the commercial and back to the Junk Man Show with Jim Bakker. Jim asks a question designed to lead Whaley into a product demonstration, but the Junk Man's having none of it. These are direct quotes:
Jim:I've read that you help street people stay warm...One of the biggest problems people are going to have is when the power goes out. How do you keep from freezing?”
Junk Man:Let's go to the street first.”
Jim:Okay.
Jim just has to sit there and take it. He's on the couch, leaning on his knee and staring at Whaley, but he's powerless to do anything. The old coot just keeps going on. For her part, Lori loves listening to this guy. She turns to the camera and mouths the word 'Wow!' as Whaley talks.

Whaley grabs his papers as Jim dreams of a happy place
Uh oh, Whaley just stepped over into la-la land. Now he's talking governmental conspiracy against the poor, the homeless, and the 'working people'. He's using the fingers on his hands to count off each targeted group. Jim, you need to step in and stop this now. A man uncovering conspiracy at this level is a man that the government will do everything to silence. The FBI probably has a file as a thick as a book on this Whaley character, hell there's probably agents in your audience right now keeping tabs on him. You don't need this kind of heat Jim, you don't need it!


The Junk Kook spices things up with conspiracy talk
Whaley has now reached for a stack of papers to expose a Senate Bill designed, according to the Junk Kook, to outlaw people from growing gardens. Lori's little mind has been blown by this conspiracy. We hear her off-camera saying, "Unbelievable. Unbelievable". With his stack of papers in one hand, Whaley employs use of his other hand to count off even more targeted groups. He's talking farming, saying something about us controlling the food. He then says, 'Guess who else we control?' Then bam, an edit arrives just in time. Just in time to save Whaley's life, and possibly everyone at Morningside. Whatever information he had was bound to uncover conspiracy at the highest levels of government. They will stop at nothing, Bill, nothing. Now I understand why you live 'off the grid'.

The Junk Kook's audio was cut. What secrets did he expose?
The edit was abrupt, and now it goes straight to Bakker. Jim feeds into Whaley's conspiracy a little bit, talking about some weird government crackdown on an Amish farmer selling raw milk. The camera shows Whaley with a smirk on his face while he points to his papers and speaks, but there's no sound because it's an edit job. Wow, I wonder how long he droned on for before the kids cut him off in the editing room? How much more conspiracy is lying on the Jim Bakker Show cutting room floor? Maybe Jim Bakker himself is part of the conspiracy to silence the Junk Kook...you ever think of that one, Bill?

Finally, Bakker has taken back a little control. He moves from the Amish farmer straight into Lori's House, telling us that he's being called 'evil' for building a home to save babies. No Jim, that's not why you are called evil. You are called evil because you prey on the elderly and mentally-incompetent, earning their trust specifically so you can take their money. You are called evil not because you are building a home to save babies, Jim, but because you lie about why people call you evil.

Bakker: 'Oh my God, I've invited a lunatic onto my show.'
Jim turns back to Bill and pleads with him, “We can't get political. They'll put me away, Bill.” That's Jim's way of saying, 'Knock off the soapbox shit and get to the trinkets'. Bakker asks the Junk Kook how we can stay warm if the power grid goes down. Hey Bill, I'll take this one for you. Jim, the secret is layers. Thermals, jackets, whatever you have in the closet. You know the way you're dressed when you go outside in the cold? Just dress like that inside. Add a blanket if you need to. Burn some wood in a fireplace, maybe even roast some marshmallows! Next question please.


Whaley pouts after Jim shoots down his conspiracy theory
The Junk Kook was still thumbing the pages of his conspiracy documents when Jim told him to knock it off. I'm pretty sure he's pissed off now because he's acting like a bratty child who was just told to sit still at a Christmas party. He's back to flopping his hands up and down on the arms of his chair, and he has a little smirk on his face. Bill Whaley, a sixty-something man who once flew choppers in Vietnam, is pouting.

The Junk Kook doesn't like being silenced. Without neighbors, he pretty much lives in silence all the time save for his dumpster divin' wife. Deep down inside, I think what Bill Whaley wants are friends, people to talk to and people to listen. Unfortunately, years of living like a mountain man have made him strange. Picking through garbage is strange. Dreaming up conspiracy is strange. If he were a kid, he could break out of that strangeness bubble and live normally like everyone else. But the Junk Kook is already into his sixties. There's no changing a man who's had that much time to become weird. So, the Junk Kook's inner desire for friendship will never be satisfied unless he finds a friend who is also strange. And that'll just make him weirder.

Bill Whaley angrily snatches bag off table
Since the Junk Kook is pouting, he didn't accept Jim's first invitation to tell us all how to keep warm. Now Jim has to really prod him into action. Jim chooses his words carefully, saying “You have so many things, I don't know which ones you want to go to first. Do you want me to pick or do you want to tell me?” That bratty child who was told to sit down is now being told to pick a present and open it while everyone watches. Whaley angrily snatches an empty plastic bread bag off the table. This guy is cracking me up, he's really pissed off that Jim told him to stop with the conspiracy crap. He hoists the bag over his head and, in a condescending tone, asks everyone on stage what they would do with it. He has such a look of disdain on his face as he asks this, he's just dying to point his finger at everyone on stage and call them dummies.

Bill Whaley: 'I'm holding gasoline in my hand you dummies.'
After a pause, Bakker says he would throw the bag away. Kevin follows the leader and says he would throw it away too. At this point, I think they want to throw Bill Whaley away with the bag too. The Junk Kook looks down his nose at us and says, “I'm holding gasoline in my hand.” Kevin Shorey feigns shock at this announcement, and Whaley reiterates that the plastic bag can be converted to gasoline. He once again holds his prized plastic bag up, and then we get a very long, awkward pause. I thought my DVR froze, but nope that's just the deafening sound of silence on stage. Whaley has completely killed any amount of viewer interest in him with his pouting act, and now he's going nuts with the bread bag. Everyone, and I mean every single person on that stage, is on the defensive with him. They've all now realized that he's a lunatic.

Whaley's 'latex glove': The bane of canines everywhere.
The plastic bag is not just gasoline, Whaley tells us. It's also a latex glove that can be used to pick up dog 'droppings'. I'm very suspicious of this statement, Bill. Out in my neck of the woods, we don't associate latex gloves with dog crap. We associate them with people crap, and more specifically, the holes where the people crap comes from. Are you bread-bagging your hands and giving rectal examinations out there in 'off-the-grid' land? And who are you examining? There are exactly two people in those woods where you live, plus one unlucky dog. Please don't tell me you're...I just...don't you dare hurt that dog, Bill.

Bill Whaley's dog being inspected for worms
Whaley goes on about the multi-use bread bag. He uses it to store butchered chickens in the freezer, and god knows what else. He also puts his skid-marked underwear, ratty t-shirts and mismatched socks in the bag so they don't get wet. What about bread, Bill, do you ever put bread in the bag?

Bill wears the bags on his feet in the wintertime. He says he puts them on his feet, then puts socks over them to keep his feet warm. You're a military man, Bill. Isn't that a recipe for trench foot? Or do you use the water generated by your sweaty, suffocating feet for brushing your teeth?

Whaley ends his childish tirade by asking a question. With his prized bag once again held up with both hands and a voice filled with utter contempt, he turns to Jim and Lori and asks, “Why would I throw it away?” As he asks, he jingles the bag ends so that the plastic makes noise.

Jim talks Whaley down off the ledge as Lori daydreams
Jim got a lot more than he bargained for with this guest. Jim is sweating, oh man is he sweating. He moves to a new question, and as he poses it he sounds like a psychiatrist trying to keep a wild-eyed mental patient from setting himself on fire.

Bakker is really shaken. He says, “Bill, what you're telling us is we can use the things around us to survive. We don't have to lay down and die.” Whaley is folding the plastic bag into a neat square as Jim speaks. Bakker looks to the audience for applause and gets it, and then we see Jim with a look of worry on his face as he gulps down a mouthful of air. Disaster averted, but what's up next?

Bill Whaley loves knowing more about garbage than we do
Whaley has lightened up now. The tension was cut by the applause, and now Bill Whaley feels respected again. He grabs another piece of garbage, an empty spaghetti sauce jar. Actually, I wouldn't classify this one as garbage if you have liquids you want to store. It depends on the liquid, of course. I might use it for pickled eggs, while the Junk Kook might use it for urine bombs. Let's see.

God, Whaley is so obnoxious. He has a way of speaking that is demeaning to all around him. Lori picks up on it subconsciously, because now she's referring to him as 'sir'. He's an asshole without justification. He tells all of us dummies that we can use the sauce jar as a measuring cup. He also says that we can use it to serve drinks in. He suggests giving it to children to drink from, so if they break it they “don't break your good stuff.” You know what I would use your glass jar for, Bill? A baseball. I would tee that sucker right up, then shatter it into a million unusable pieces with a baseball bat. Oh hey, give me that bread bag too, it'll make a great noise maker. Just blow it up full of air, hold the open side closed, then clap your hands together quickly. Pop!

A frozen Jim Bakker tries to figure a way out of this debacle
Jim is frozen solid on the couch. Lori reacts well to assholes, she likes that sort of leadership, but Jim doesn't. He's not quite sure what to do here.

Now the Junk Kook grabs a 2-liter bottle that he chopped in half. It's not chopped well, it looks like he hacked it in half with a butter knife or clipped it down with nail clippers. I also can't rule out the possibility that he had his wife bite through it. Whaley is finding his groove now. He leans back in the chair and asks, “What can you do with a 2-liter bottle?” See that's the problem, Bill, it's the way you introduce your items. Stop asking us what we can do with your garbage and just show us instead.

Plastic bottle that Whaley's wife bit in half
You ask us questions that you think we can't answer in order to make us feel small. But it's not that we can't answer them, it's that we don't really care. You deal in garbage, the stuff I toss out with a smile on my face. Whenever I have to go back into my garbage to find something that was thrown out accidentally, I don't smile. I grimace and I hold my nose, and sometimes I even ask my wife for help because it's so disgusting to me. When you pose questions designed to make people feel dumb for not knowing the ins-and-outs of the garbage heap, you fail in your quest for friendship. Normal people don't like that.

From the 2-liter bottle, Whaley says he can make a water filter, ice holder, and funnel. Bakker breaks free from his daze and jumps on the funnel idea. Jim grabs the funnel from the table and tells us how we could use it to add gas to our cars if we needed to. Does Jim not know that gas cans come with spouts? I'll go one further: Does Jim not know that funnels can be purchased for a couple dollars at Home Depot? With the dollar Jim gave Lori earlier in the show, they're already halfway down the road to funnel ownership. See how easy that is, Jim?

Papa Whaley took little Jimmy's funnel toy away from him
Whaley isn't having any of Jim's gas-can funnel crap. He takes the funnel away from Bakker like a parent taking scissors from a toddler and completely ignores Jim's suggestion. I get the feeling that the Junk Man is thinking, 'Thanks for humoring us buddy, but let's leave the survival stuff to the experts.' Jim was still talking as Whaley took the funnel back from him, he even looked to his audience for support while stammering out, “Isn't that a good..good idea?” I hate to say it, but I'm actually starting to pull for Bakker in this fight. Whaley's a total jackass and needs to be put in his place. If Bill were an ass because he doesn't like Bakker, I'd be on his side. He isn't though. Bill Whaley's an ass because Bill Whaley's an ass.

"...teach a man to fish, feed him for a lifetime."
Ugh, the Junk Man tells us something about poking holes in the bottle, stitching it with twine, and adding bread crumbs to make a 'minnow catcher' for fishing. What happened to you out there in that Vietnamese jungle, Bill? What did you see that's got you so spooked? You're back home in America now, Bill. You don't need to do this, we are friendlies and you are safe. You can go to the store and buy bait from an honest man who is happy to sell to you. Hell, you can even skip the bait and just buy a fish! Don't worry, you will not encounter any VC here. No land mines, no crushed glass in your Pepsi. Just relax sir and calm down. Now please tell me: Are you carrying any knives or other weapons on your person right now?

'Wait 'till the Feds get a load of my urine bombs, muhahaha!'
Whaley is still obsessing over the bottle. He's showing us how he can add one of his black-painted glass bottles inside the larger plastic bottle, fill one of the two with soup (I don't know which), and cook the soup outside in the sun. As he's configuring this thing, it's making all kinds of annoying ripping and tearing noises as he tries to fit everything together. Why Bill? Why would I waste my time? What you are showing us is so unimportant, it really is. If I had a choice between doing all that menial crap to sun-cook my soup, or just eating cold soup...I'll eat cold soup, Bill. Really, I would.
[Bill Whaley] [showing me how to configure the soup cooker] "So you just take this piece here and add this part...wait, hold on, I think I'm missing something."
[Ron] [eyes glossing over] "It's okay Bill, I don't need all that stuff. I'll just eat it cold."
[Bill Whaley] [shock bordering on offense] "Cold soup? Who wants to eat cold soup!? Just gimme a second, there's a piece missing. We'll get your soup cooking in no time!"
[Ron] [looks at watch] "Bill, it's...it's fine. Can I have my soup back please?
[Bill Whaley] [red-faced and aggressive] "No you cannot have your soup back please, I haven't shown you how to heat it yet! Just give me a second."
[Ron] "These aren't seconds anymore, these are minutes now and I'm hungry."

Bill growls threateningly.

[Ron] [laughing] "Why are you getting so upset?"
[Bill Whaley] [screaming] "I'm not upset!"

Bill Whaley rubs his 40-grit palms together
Jim refers to Whaley's soup-warming contraption as a 'solar cooker'. I'm not sure that 'cooker' is the right word as I don't think anyone will be sizzling bacon in it anytime soon, but whatever. It gets hot, wow. Bill also says we can take a sand-filled soda can, paint it black, then set it in the sun to make a hand warmer. Ahhh, Bill knows just how to make things nice and cozy on those crisp Ozark mornin's. Bill really lays it on us thick with the hand warmer, even rubbing his hands together as he describes it. The sound his hands make when rubbed together are like sandpaper on a wood deck. Don't let the dumpy looks fool you, because the Junk Man isn't all about business: He's pleasure too.

The Junk Kook snaps rubber band off yet more garbage
Jim asks Bill what else he has for show-and-tell. I hope this is over soon because my Bill Whaley Junk-O-Meter is running into the red zone. I'm very near to experiencing a junk overdose, and I'm considering buying a furnace for all of my garbage to prevent it from falling into the hands of the other Bill Whaleys of the world.

Bill asks one of the Master's Media kids to pass him a piece of garbage that's out of reach. It's yet another crinkly piece of plastic. If this guy lived next door to me, he would drive me bonkers. I recycle. I have plastic and glass bottles wrapped up in bags on the side of my house, not stacked, just lying out there nice and clean, awaiting the few times each year when I have time to unload it all at the recycling center. If Bill lived next door, I just know that guy would be breaking my balls every couple weeks or so, asking if he could have my plastic. I'd have to tell him no, but then I'd realize that he's looking at my house and probably rooting through my garbage at night when I'm sleeping. I'd be powerless to stop him. It would drive me nuts.

The Junk Tornado unwraps loudly while Lori tries to speak
Whatever Whaley's next piece of garbage is, he has it encased in a plastic bag. Is that to keep it clean? He snaps off two rubber bands from the bag and starts unraveling the treasure inside. Meanwhile, Lori is talking, or at least trying to talk. She's saying something about the Master's Media kids, but Bill keeps driving on with his unpacking. He's like a Junk Tornado: All we see and hear is the crinkling of plastic, rubber bands snapping, and cups or pieces of cups flying about. Whaley's in his zone now, he has no time for Lori's child's play and small talk. Lori's voice trails off as she completes her sentence and stares at Bill, then we all listen and watch for a few awkward seconds as the Junk Tornado finishes unpacking. The ball is back in Whaley's court now.

Bill Whaley struggling to snug his water filter down tight
"This is a coffee creamer bottle. I just cut the bottom off of it." Whaley's face is glowing, he loves this stuff. "I went down to Walmart for $7 and bought me one of those Brita pitcher filters." Bill then drops one of those 'Brita pitcher filters' into his creamer bottle. It's a near perfect fit. Bill pulls down hard on the other end of the filter, you can see the strain on his face as he snugs the filter into the plastic bottle and seats it. He holds it up for us to see and declares proudly, "Now I got a water filter that'll filter 40 gallons of water anywhere I want to go with it." Bill, my good man...what you call a water filter, I call a smoking gun. Did you know that Jim Bakker actually sells expensive Seychelle water filters for over 3 times the price you just mentioned? In fact, the chair your sitting in was probably still warm from Dr Seychelle's last visit! Don't know who Dr Seychelle is, Bill? Well let me describe him for you, you might like him!

Detective Bill Whaley holds the smoking gun for all to see
First off, Dr Seychelle is not really a doctor at all, but Jim insists on calling him one and the fake doctor doesn't seem to mind. His real name is Carl Palmer. He has a face full of plastic surgery, is the CEO of a multi-million dollar company, and has what might be called a 'trophy wife' who operates as a 'Holistic Dental Hygienist'. That sound like your kinda' people, Bill? Or can I just call you 'Dr Whaley'...it'll make people trust you more!

You want conspiracy, Bill, well you just got one. A real one this time. You are now in competition with the fake Dr Seychelle and his froggy little buddy, Jim Bakker. You are on a show whose sole intent is to sell product. You, Bill, with all your quirks, are still at heart trying to help people. If you thought that's what Jim Bakker was about, you've made a mistake. The Jim Bakker Show is designed for product-sales, not people-helping. Showing people how to make a cheap water filter is a noble effort on your part, but in Jim's calculating mind, why would he give people something for free when he can charge them for it instead?

Jim got away from the $7 water filter real quick
Jim's subdued response to Bill's water filter: "Oh my lamb." Bakker had no idea this was going to happen and I can see the wheels turning in his mind, trying to figure out how to brush this under the rug as fast as possible without people catching on. We get one more sentence from Bill before edit: "That's how simple it is to have good clean water." Jim says, haltingly, "It really is. What's next?" Lori is next to Jim with a smile plastered on her face, but I can see her little mind chugging along as well. I'm pretty sure she caught on to the water filter fiasco too, but hell for all I know she's daydreaming about sex and crack-pipes. You never really know with Lori...one minute she's thinking about abortion, the next minute she's thinking about balloons.

Biker Chick Max tries to remember how much Jim's filters cost
As I said, a heavy edit took place here. The next time we see Bill he's snapping a rubber band back onto the plastic-covered water filter set that took him so long to unwrap earlier. No statement on this, Pastor Bakker? Shouldn't you be suggesting to us all that we save our money on pricey Seychelle filters and just build Dr Whaley's $7 filters instead?

We're back to Jim's first question about how to keep people warm, and Bakker once again refers to homeless people as 'street people'. Whaley grabs a large tin can and starts pulling metal objects out of it while Jim is still talking. Clank, clink, clunk. I know you're off the grid Bill, but I think someone is eventually going to find you out there because of all the noise you make. Do you get a lot of hungry bears out your way?

Bill Whaley removes small metal can from large metal can
The Junk Man is glowing again. I get the feeling he could talk junk, garbage and scavenging all day and night, then continuing on into the morning. Bill Whaley fails among men, but at the garbage heap he reigns supreme. Bill grabs Jim's sharpie, the same one used to write on Zach's forehead, and draws a square on the tin can. He tells us that we can cut out the square of tin, bend it over a stick, and 'put a nail through it' to make a frying pan. I have to say, when Bil grabbed the Zach sharpie and started drawing I was expecting a little more from him then a piece of tin attached to a stick. Let's throw that one out Bill, it's sort of lame. Even a gorilla could figure that one out. And by gorilla, I mean Zach Drew.

'Scuse me brother, any sausage cans to spare?
If we want to make a heater instead, Bill tells us to add a couple inches of dirt or sand to the tin can. Then we take a Vienna Sausage tin can, add wax and some pipe cleaners to make a candle. Bill, this one's even more lame. Where am I going to find an empty Vienna Sausage can? Do I need to find a hobo in a train car and rifle through his plaid knapsack while he's passed out drunk? And if I already have wax, wouldn't I also already have a candle? Bill, did you know they make things called tealight candles that can be purchased for less than a twenty cents a piece? You need to get out more and stop handling so much garbage, I think all the toxic metals have started to turn your brain into pudding.

Bill's still driving on with his candle heater. He tells us to place the sausage-can candle into the big tin can, then take a "big 62 oz juice can", poke holes in it and place it over the top of this unwieldy contraption to make a tiny, ineffective heater. I wouldn't even know what a 62 oz juice can looks like, but Bill has the sucker memorized. You've been hanging around the garbage heap for far too long Bill. Here's a life tip: If you converse with more rodents each day than people, then you need a serious change of lifestyle. It's not healthy for your mind.

Jim asked the Junk Kook for his thoughts on the economy
Bakker wants some fear-mongering from Whaley to close the show with. Jim asks the Junk Kook, a man completely unqualified to give answers on, well, anything, if he thinks the dollar is going to 'totally collapse'. Whaley says that this year the 'financial institution' is going to hit everybody and it's going to hit us hard. Jim Bakker, of course, loves hearing the unqualified Bill Whaley predict economic disaster. He looks to the audience and says, "Now listen to what he's saying people. This is what I've been trying to warn you and warn you and warn you..."

I'll get by just fine without your plastic bread bag, Bill
Finally, the show winds down. Bakker asks Whaley to address the critics who call his gimmick stupid. Whaley tells us "your dollar's gettin' littler every day", and asks, "What happens when you can't buy this?" Bill, if I'm so stupid that I can't figure out how to stay warm with all the extra clothes in my closet, or how to crack open a can of Campbell's soup and eat it, then I guess I'll just die. That really sums it up for me, I'd rather lose out and die then spend my life living in fear of ridiculous things like roving gangs, dying of thirst, starving, or freezing to death. I'm not a settler on the frontier.

But let's be honest here: The scary world you describe is not going to happen in our lifetime. We don't live in Sudan, we live in America. Among other things, we have police, military, business, and multiple layers of government filled with fellow citizens who have a vested interest in keeping everything under control. The doom-speakers and fear-mongers like Jim Bakker know this too. That's why they take cold hard cash as payment for their products and speaking engagements. They prey on dimwits who've been watching too many scary movies. Think about it for a second: if Jim Bakker really thought the world was going to fall apart, wouldn't he be doing something to prevent it instead of catering to it?

How much did Jim Bakker pay for your integrity, Bill?
Bakker ends the show with one final pitch for his Wheat Buckets. The high hopes I had for Bill Whaley's integrity have now vanished, because Jim tells us that every $100 Wheat Bucket sold today comes with a free DVD of the Junk Kook in action. We see Bill sitting in his chair, twiddling his thumbs and smiling as if he just swallowed a canary. Bill must be thinking that he pulled a fast one over on Jim, but believe me Bill, the only one pulling a fast one in this relationship is Jim Bakker. You are a tadpole swimming with the largest toad in the swamp, and he's been swimming in this swamp for years.

The show ends, then we get a five-minute commercial for foodbuckets.

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The IRS said...

Pretty sure Lori's House fundraising began prior to Stella's House. And I'm positive that in at least one episode, Jim raised money for both at the same time in some weird three way split of all donations (the other third went for something else...dont't remember). See the old Philip Cameron blog posts, that's when it happened.
Gonna try getting a quick post up on Friday, at least to get the comments back down.

Tanya said...

I cannot recall Jim Bakker ever announcing a dollar amount that he needed to complete Lori's House - from what I have seen with whatever project he is begging for at that moment, Jim gives smaller numbers - like I need $10000 to buy new cameras for the students, I need 10 people to send a $1000 cheque (look at that, $10000 again) or I have to pull workers off construction of Lori's House, and so on and so forth.

He has been the proud papa of a Jesus statue for some time now - when he was raising money for that he never gave any amount that I heard. He also said back then that if you gave him $1000 he would have a plaque put on the base of the statue with all the donors' names inscribed. Statue arrived, I think Jim Bakker said it cost him $35,000 - I don't remember, but the point is, he has the statue, so where is the plaque? The plaque that honors his promise, and signals the project is over? I asked that question here awhile ago, and SusanD posted later that on the live feed Jim Bakker said there was no point having the plaque made until the money was all collected. He's still collecting? Who knows how much Jim raised for the statue, who knows how much it really cost - and just my opinion here but I think Jim Bakker really does not want a plaque of names messing up his perfect statue.

Back to Lori's House, at the moment we have the infamous Road to Nowhere - Jim said he prepared the foundation (cost unspecified) and he built a road to the site (I think he said $250,000, maybe someone remembers). Now the site is useless, as is the road. How much of the already-collected donations were spent? Who knows. How much is left? Who knows. Why would Jim Bakker start a project of this magnitude without following the legalities? Who - oh, no, we know, that is Jim being Jim.

I also think it is a nice touch that Jim's special scrapbook of all things Lori's House has become part of the selling. When Lori's House was first stopped, Jim brought his binder out to show everyone how nice the house would be. Why would anyone think he would do "shoddy" work?! He cut out photos from home decor magazines and labelled them - this is what I want to nursery to look like, this is how the kitchen should look. Now those photos are being put on the screen during the TV show labelled "Lori's House Nursery," etc.

I think Jim Bakker has a fondness for round numbers, and I agree with golden platter (10:29pm) - he'll grab as much money as he can.

SusanD said...

Tanya,

Thinking back on all the shows I have watched I can’t remember him ever giving the cost of how much his building were going to cost. The only thing was that statue at 35 thousand and I think there is no way that statue cost that much! His plan is to have 2 more statues at Lori's house. lolol

Yesterday he had a sale on his lamb you can buy the baby lamb for 50 dollars, then Jim being the salesman he is said “the Mama Lamb is another 50 dollars you shouldn’t split a Mama from its baby” Does his audience think they are real?

No Nonsense Norski said...

SusanD

Jim's audience is comprised of Sheeple - so no surprise there. Quite appropriate, actually. Funny they call the larger ewe "Mama Lamb". The audience drinks it all up. $1,000 for 2 stuffed animals. I'm convinced Jimbo could collect dry cow pies and sell them as End Times fuel and they'd literally fly out the door. Call it the Flying Cowshit Round-Up!

There never was a goal number for Lori's house money. When trolling for dollars w/ Cameron, it was 1/3 - 1/3 - 1/3 -- a third for Stella's House, a third for Lori's House and a third to "Keep Us On The Air".

Has anyone heard a peep about Stella's House lately? Cameron girls and Stella's House seems to have been conveniently forgotten, with the exception of the wimpering Moldovian girl that we get to see occasionally in his ads.

Getting waaay tired of ol' Pube Face Con. Time for some fresh blood!

Tanya said...

SusanD: for some reason, my brain is saying "for real?" at selling the toys separate. I don't know why, since I'm not surprised at much else Jim does.

Perhaps because Jim made a big deal about how the toys were very limited in quantity - didn't he say they only had 1000 made - and so the mom and baby were both a part of the $1000 "love gist" (along with the trinket necklace and the blanket). So shelling out $1000 was in part to get in on those limited edition toys. Kind of like re-creating the Beanie Baby craze, or something.

Jim also made a big deal about the mom and her lamb... but now he is going to take those precious 1000 sets, break them up, and then tell people they shouldn't separate a mom from its baby? They're toys!

Does this mean the $1000 love gift packages aren't flying off the shelves?

No Nonsense Norski: the Moldova girls are going to be special guests at the July 4th extravaganza. That's what the commercial for the show said, anyways.

Starz said...

Believe it or not,
Cameron has gotten POSITIVE press from a tv ststion (I think WAAF) in Alabama where he is located.
I think they are an NBC affiliate.

Is there a chance Cameron isn't shady or is the media not too bright?

The VID is on YOUTUBE.
Watched it in a hurry, sounded like they said 2 Stellas HOuses are completed

No Nonsense Norski said...

Thanks, Tanya

Guess I missed the July 4 promo. My eyes glaze over easily these days with Jims show. So, we get to see Mewling Flippo and his Whimpering Concubines.

What's that saying? SSDD - Same Shit Different Day, or something like that.

Channel surfing last night (could not stand another moment of the Rabbi), we stumbled upon a call-in show on what looked like Richard Dortch's old program - only with some dumpy woman taking calls from drug users and prostitutes live on-air.

Carrumba!

There ought to be an FCC regulation that gets rid of all these snake oil salesmen.

Talk about Lowest Common Denominator.

By Golly, they've hit it!

Anonymous said...

I wonder if Jim has applied for any type of licensing for Lori's House?

In addition, if they dont have the money on hand to keep construction going how will they afford to staff the house??

This is nuts

Anonymous said...

A reporter needs to get his/her ass down there and say

"Mr and Mrs Bakker, you started raising funds for Lori's House in january 2011. Several months later the ministry purchased the home on Pokeberry Lane. does that seem a wise use of ministry funds if you are asking for donations for your Lori's House Project?"

Anonymous said...

Another OBVIOUS question for an intrepid reporter....

"Mr Bakker, you frequently state that you helped found CBN. Yet unlike CBN, you do not file a form 990 and instead claim church status and thus allow for zero transparency. Is there a particular reason or explanation for this?"

surly old coot said...

Ron...Will you please post another Bakker Blog and inject some new blood into your site. These girls need some new direction. They go on and on about the same subject with never offer a solution. It is like one big sewing circle. At least you're funny and original. Bro D offers some original points as do the other males but the ladies go on and on infinity.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

to surly old coot

Are you for real? Maybe your old man suspenders are on too tight today and have cut off "new" blood to your brain.

Tanya said...

Hey Kool-Aid Kid, how's it going?

I love the posts that are intended to be attacking or demeaning but actually reflect the insecurity/bias/ignorance of the poster. Too funny.

Shekel said...

Tanya; Then you must absolutely love Kool-aid-Kid's post. Be honest for a change? Do you actually read Kool-aid's post? I'll bet if you see one listed as Kool-aid you skip over it and proceed to the next if there is one. Do I have you down pat? Kool-aid has like a eunuch brand of satire. Don't you agree? No response will be taken as an affirmative.

Troll Zombie said...

I know Jim doesn't learn from his mistakes, but maybe he'll take a cue from moving Lori's house and check out all the permits first.

If you're ready to donate to Lori's House, wouldn't it be good to know that all the legal stuff is in place for it to actually happen?

Cindy B. said...

Hey there smarty at 10:47:

The ladies know how to use grammar properly. Thank God they weren't trained in the fake college! Your last word should be "infinitely" and not the completely different term you must have learned from Morningside College Director of English & Creative Writing, James Chapman!

Jessica said...

I watched the Bakker show all the way through. As usual he was just bitching about money and everything that came out of his ugly lips was lies. I can only imagine how hateful he is, what a bottom feeder.

The show opened with distasteful Wert smirking and showing how simple minded he is. There was a silly tune song from fatso Kevin, some giggles from the resident cheesecake wanna be, and then Bakker started his rant about how evil the prosperity message was and how he had fallen into that pit years ago. He yakked about how money is not going to be worth much (again), and said some terrible things are going to happen soon, especially to the Jews, and the clue was "hot" and "cold". This was revealed to him by God in prison. Tt took two weeks for him to receive the revelation from God (because he is so stupid) and he will eventually share. He twisted his face and said it was going to be terrible. Then in a twinkling of an eye it rolled over to pubic faced Cahn and he uttered his voodo crap that no one but him cares about. This took about 15 minutes and then the real message started. Selling, selling and this is when Lori got excited.

Even if you don't care what Bakker does, how can it not be an affront to a normal person who every day tries to do right, nothing to do with Jesus or religion, it just seems like its natural to want respect and to be a decent human.

And, to the old buzzard that put us girls down on this blog. Your tired of us? Well, I get sick of old grumpy men who have personal problems with women. So go away, this blog is over your head.

Anonymous said...

Actually Cindy it should be "ad infinitum". Nice try though.:)

SusanD said...

Jims live show opened up with Lori and Jimbo talking about visions they have had (yawn feast). Lori had a dream while in AZ that God told her he would put her in a position of power to help aborted babies. I can’t help but to wonder if maybe she was on drugs at that time lolol Then low and behold at the same time in prison Jimbo had his vision or Dream he wasn’t sure, that his chest of drawers were wide open. God told him everything you had or have done has been exposed, but you will preach to the whole world in the future. So to sum up what Jimbo thinks is he wouldn’t be here today on TV if it hadn’t been preordained by God.

Jim and Zach patted each other on the back, for saying such smart phases as
“The word of God is explaining itself” Jim explains that most everyone but him misinterprets the bible. This is the antichrist, and the mark of beast to deceive people.

Then Jim talks about Lori House. How one person stopped him because of his wanting to protect his serenity or something? They have moved the power lines, had to rent a rock crusher, so they are almost out of money for Lori’s House. (So there we have it, he is out of money for Lori‘s House?)

Jim also said Lori's diamond is not real...its fake worth 20 dollars people called to complain it lololol

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Hey Fake Tanya@1120am!

Things are going great, thanks for asking. Wow, you're a funny shade of green bakker zombie ... you need to eat more Dino cake. ;)

My posts attack you, balding zach, tubby porn loving jason, froggy, fat kevin and on and on.

You are way to funny too.

Tanya said...

OK, Shekel, since you badly want a response:

I am honest in my posts. You may not like what I say, but everything I post is my honest opinion or belief.

How about you direct me to a post where you do not believe I was honest, so I can understand what you are thinking.

I read all posts here. "All" includes Kool-Aid Kid. So yes, I read Kool-Aid Kid's posts. I guess you don't know me as well as you think.

Kool-Aid Kid has a particular brand of humour, true enough, I won't try to label it because I don't see the point. Its not to everyone's liking, but then again, neither is Ron's brand of humour. Yet here we all are, in the comments of a satire blog.

I don't have a problem with Kool-Aid Kid (I'm going to assume "he" for simplicity) - he doesn't personally attack me. Sometimes Kool-Aid Kid even posts in my defense if someone is being particularly nasty.

I do not expect everyone to agree with what I write - I do hope that people can disagree without, to be blunt, being dicks about it. That includes attacking an entire group of posters based on gender alone - which is what my last post referred to.

SusanD said...

Tanya,
We kind of got a answer to the question of how much Lori's House will cost on the live taping today.

He said can someone write me a check for a million dollars or 3 million so we can finish this project!

Tanya said...

SusanD: 1 million or 3 million... Jim's giving himself quite a lot of room to move there. The whole thing is ridiculous - especially when you consider what other people have posted about: the medical staff needed, where would the women go to give birth, what happens if there are medical complications, who oversees this kind of home, what kind of insurance is needed, etc.

It reminds me of a conversation years ago - there was a tsunami somewhere, I can't remember when/where, and there had been a lot of donations to the Red Cross in the beginning, but that money had been used up. This person was selling tickets to a benefit and talked about "sustainability" - that people donate in the beginning, but then other things take precedence, or donors' fatigue sets in... let's just say for the sake of argument that Jim gets the house built. How will he keep the money rolling in to run it over the long-term?

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Moronside Compound Announcements

Come join Shekel for a new bible study course starting this Sunday at her condo from 7 to 9 pm. The four week course is divided in two exciting parts. The first part is entitled " Eunuch? What It's All About ". Fun for all! The second part is entitled " Do I Have That Bible Verse Down Pat Or Should I Just Skip Over It? "

Dino cake will be served.

Come one! Come all!

No response will be taken as an affirmative.

confounded shelacking said...

@12:23 w/12:27 LOL..too funny! lol

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Was that really you Tanya?????

lol

If it was I'm doing well!

:))

Tanya said...

12:42pm: friendly fire, it happens. S'OK, I've dusted myself off.

I don't usually greet people that way when I post - just in a good mood today, I guess.

Tanya said...

Oh, yeah, Kool-Aid Kid, that was me.

Too funny. :)

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Tanya
Thought a zombie crawled under the compound fence and grabbed your screen name.

Friendly fire! lol

I'm in a good mood day even with having to watch a bit of the frog's live feed this morning.

Cheers

Anonymous said...

lol..."All's well that end's well"

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Anon@102pm

Yup! lol

Kool-Aid Kid said...

An interesting part of the live feed today was Jimbo's talk on dreams. blaaa blaaa blaaa ... then came the gem! Froggy talked about "pizza" type of dreams and that they don't mean anything and then ... he looked at fat zach and asked him if he had ever had a (spirtal) dream. Tubby spits out " One vision ... But ya ..." and then froggy cuts him off. Too funny. I guess froggy doesn't know that fat zach has a MoronNow dream posted about a Chicago type of "feel". lol

Birds of a feather said...

Bakker must see a lot of his qualities in Zach. Contrary to popular thought, people are attracted to people like themselves. What does that say for Zach? You have to wonder about that.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

I agree Birds of s feather ..

.... maybe froggy used to like to "prank phone call" like fat zach does too.

... maybe froggy would like to swear on Ron's blog like fat zach did too.

... maybe froggy likes to act like a bully like fat zach tries to do too.

Scotchtapeontherox said...

question, does Zachary get more attention than James and if so why?

Anonymous said...

lMAO----

Jim said people complained about Lori's ring?

Is he a dumbass?

We have never mention her ring, only her Pokeberry lake house and pool hidden behind a Feed Store facade

"fools these mortals be" said...

You can get any of that stuff. The watches, the earrings, the rings, the lambs any Saturday afternoon at your local fleamarket. And you won't have to pay shipping/handling.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

To Scotchtapeontherox

I think Froggy likes the "fleshy" ones like zach.

Sal said...

Perhaps Jim is playing his cards close with Zach and James. Maybe Jim forsees legal problems in the future, jail time and such. James being "family" he does not like the idea of James being set up. Put Zach in the position of future "fall guy", "sacrificial lamb" "sucker" call it what you want. A sort of "buffer" to protect young James. If the shit hits the fan in the future, Zach goes to Jail, James escapes through Zach. Seen stuff like this before with organized syndicates in New York and Jersey.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Goofy looking Zach is a perfect patsy to frog faced Bakker. Having his big forehead written on by Bakker proves that even when the frog makes him the (big) butt of a joke he still sticks around. Stupid! Just stupid! Fat Zach is a con man's ultimate patsy.

Anonymous said...

Kevin's like that too. No difference. When Bakker says jump, Kevin answers; "How Far"! He does not too much anymore but he used to look all scared whenever Bakker spoke to him. Bakker maybe has a complex where he like to pick on large men. They must be getting some good money to let a pip-squeek like Bakker push them around. Maybe it's put up with Bakker or some menial job in the compound. The lesser of two evils.

SusanD said...

Anonymous 1:43,

I laughed about the ring too since I try and not look at Lori too much, I didn't notice it. Jim said he had gotten calls, and emails about it....soooooo I am guessing there are others out there that dislike Jimbo too!

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Anon@339pm

I agree. Kevin doesn't look like he's shitting his baggy pants anymore when Bakker barks at him on the creepy tv show. Maybe Kevin's getting a set of balls finally. Time will tell.

Bakker's Mr nice guy now. said...

Kool-aid-Kid. Maybe Bakker got a heads up on how he treats folks by garnering info. from this site. I would not be surprised that they use this site as a learning tool at times. I remember Bakker's "dog" treatment of Kevin being mentioned here and Bakker adjusting himself later. Bakker acknowledges Kevin now, before it was like Kevin was just a wallflower.

surly old coot said...

Again except for Jessica, these ladies need some new direction. They go on and on about the same subject never offering a solution. It is like one big sewing circle and the ladies go on and on for infinity.

Tanya, Bro D, and KAK stroke each others ego. Bro D tells so many lies and the others swear to it.

Jessica, keep on keepin' on!

old fart said...

to surly coot. I agree with what you say, you truly have the wisdom of age. I have no idea how to give them new direction. An old hen will only go in one direction when pecking at seeds. I'll be you a bushel of chickpeas that with the exception of Jessica, these young ladies are blondes.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Moronside Compound Announcement

Do you love to sew? Or are you just learning? Mr. Coot (lovingly known as "Old" Mr. Coot )would like to welcome all moronside zombies to a sewing circle at his condo Sunday's from 2 to 3 pm. Mr. Coot hopes his passion for sewing will rub off on you. Special guest at the first evening will be Mr. Fart ( lovingly known as "Old" Mr. Fart ). Mr. Fart will share his love of watching how hen's move around in his hen house. Fun, fun, fun. See you all there.

Surly old coot said...

Do you love the taste of Kool-Aid? If so, the KAK now has a brand new stand on Grace Street. For $1.00 a cup you can enjoy your favorite flavor, and for a love gift of $10.00 you will receive a Bakkers dozen! Share the great taste of this drink just like Grandma KAK picked and snapped!

Kool-Aid Kid said...

... that's the best you can come up with Mr. Coot - Fart? Fail.

;((

Cindy B. said...

Mr Coot, I would suspect, is one of the students who someone has obviously told no to post here anymore but just cannot resist the temptation! Notice how he posts and then answers his own posts? LOL! it has to be a very dumb person to say the least.

Anonymous said...

To Old Fart @4:38,

Being the good christian that you are you insult blonde woman! Are you proud to be a misogynist? Were you referring to your dumb blonde leader Lori Bakker? You worship Jim Bakker and feel you have the right to call others dumb, duh! As usual a Bakker believer is name calling and making nasty comments. With "christians" like the Bakker believers who needs a devil!

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Cindy B.,

Yes, the indication that you're dealing with a moronside fake student is that they like to reply to their own posts. The jim bakker cult is mentally confused. Mr. Coot - Fart is probably tucked into his little moronside compound bed by now with his Lori lamb.

Cindy B. said...

Hey Kool-Aid,

He is probably one of those home wreckers Bakker talked about who only wanted the young lamb and said "To hell with" the mama! This may not be his first experience. Something tells me he might have had other dealings with sheep too...LMAO!!!!!!!

Tanya said...

surly old coot... credit where credit is due, he picked an apropos screen name. Of note, he said the exact same thing twice in a matter of hours, but seems to have forgotten that in his first post he did not give Jessica an exemption from his misogynistic statements, and he praised Brother Dortch (1st post "Bro D offers some original points", 2nd post "Bro D tells so many lies").

All alone, nothing to do, surly as all get-out... what's an old coot to do?

Jessica told him she was sick of grumpy old men, to go away, this blog is over his head (12:02pm), and in his next post he says the women here need a new direction *except* for Jessica - and he tells Jessica to keep on keepin' on.

The old coot apparently enjoys strong women putting him in his place.

There you go, Jessica, if you ever want to make a surly old coot happy just post a quick stomp-down. Think of it as a social service for the elders of our blog community.

Anonymous said...

Kool-aid/ Stop acting like a punk! If you have issues with Zach why don't you list your phone #. Then Zach can call you and you can settle your differences "mano e mano". Joe C. had the guts todo that. Or come on up to Morningside like a man and speak directly to Zach. Gutless wonder! It's obvious that you have a problem with Zach, what did he ever do to you? People on this blog are tired of your attitude already. Like the man said" Come on down!!!', or up!

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Anon " Mom! Get Me The Damn Phone Book Please ... Now!!!" @900am

Whoa zombie .... whoaaaaaa!

I'm not the one on tv ripping off people's money. I'm not the one on tv helping the frog make money off of 9/11 clips of people dying. I'm not the one on tv selling cheap shit.

Fat balding Zach is! Got it zombie!

Case closed.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

(let's try this again ... lol)

Hello Tanya!

;)

Anonymous said...

To Anonymous @ 9:00,

Hey punk if you have issues with Kool-Aid kid or this blog then don't come here to get your panties in a bunch! Get out your bible little christian bad man, you need to spend a lot of time studying it! Why would anyone want to come to your village when it's full of nut jobs like you!

Decent people that visit this blog aren't tired of KK Kid, Tanya, Susan, Brother Dortch etc. We are tired of the fools like you from the Jim Bakker ministries coming here with your nasty attacks. You're attempts to deviate from the subject of this blog about Jim Bakker and his new con game aren't working and it bothers you all at the stupid village doesn't it. Some christians you Bakker supporters are, what a joke you are!

Geez, some people will never wise up!

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Very nicely put anon@1103am !

;)

Anonymous said...

11:03-- Kool-aid-Kid responding anonymously to 900am. lol lol

Surly old coot fan said...

Surly old coot you are a hoot! You put the Kool-Aid Kid in his place and are so right about Jessica! You have wisdom well beyond your years old-timer!

Tanya said...

Hey Kool-Aid Kid, how's it going? ;)

Tanya said...

As someone mentioned earlier, the audience participation at Morningside is... nothing - and I think it is beginning to wear on Jim Bakker. Jim wants his audience to answer when he says "can I get an Amen," and he wants the band to stay awake and play "Hallelujah" when he cues it, and he gets not one peep. I think that may be why Sasha is on the stage, to give a little life with her "wow"s.

In a bit of the show I just watched, Jim was working hard to get something, anything, out of his audience. Eventually, Jim told everyone to put their hands up if they understood him, and said "you're all so still you're scaring me." Lori saved the day by saying "they're *listening*" and Jim ran with that one - "you're analyzing, aren't you."

Not a good sign when you have to rationalize the behaviour of your audience, Jim.

But Jim, this is the path you have chosen. You want people who will support you by buying your crap, and to do that, they need to have a lack of critical thought. Because here's the thing: in this same show you passionately said that the only thing that makes God mad enough to bring his wrath down is money and materialism. But you have a condo, a lakeside home, a boat, perhaps a private pool, tax-free status, the list goes on, I'm sure - and the money for all this comes from the "love gifts." You keep nothing in your name so you can avoid your tax debt, you don't follow through on your fund-raising promises (e.g., the statue plaque), you throw money away (other people's money) on building before projects are legally approved and there are a ton of other contradictions that have been discussed in these very comments. An audience that listened to you, understood you, and participated the way you want them to would question these things - and probably not give you money.

A better plan, I think, is to plant some ringers in your audience - maybe some of the students. That's just some free advice, since your audience is creeping you out.

SusanD said...

Tanya 1:155pm
The other day in the live taping, Jim said are you people tired, let me know your awake. He also says do you people understand? No they don't Jim that's the type of people that goes to your shows...Its pretty bad when you have to beat up your own audience lololol

Surly old coot said...

Ahhh! Kool-aid-Kid's okay, he's just got a lot of growing up to do. He feels like a big shot here, but I must say he comes up with some "off the wall" stuff. Sometimes it get you wondering if he's all there. Jessica is a real lady. If I was 50 years younger, she's the type of lady I would be proud to court, we have a shivaree. Thank you kindly Mr. 1:48.

Carol said...

Tanya, judgement begins in the house of the LORD! If Jim is truly fleecing people he will get his comeuppance.

Anonymous said...

i'm 99 percent sure at least one big media outlet will be looking at the posts to grasp whats happening in Blue Eye

Let's try to leave them as many easy to find items as possible

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Ahhhhhhhhh! Surly old coot is okay, in fact your post gave me a big laugh. Stick around as I think you are very funny. Good stuff.
Cheers.

Surly old coot said...

Thanks Mr Kool-aid-Kid, I get a kick out of your post. You're good folk and a pretty good sport. I sure do appreciate that.

Tanya said...

Hello Carol - I believe Jim Bakker is truly fleecing people, and I also respect your position on the matter. This is the choice I have made: while Jim continues to appear on my TV, using fear to sell crap while evading the consequences of his past actions, I'll continue to point out all the contradictions, deceptions, and inconsistencies. Thanks for your post to me!

SusanD: I haven't seen much of the live feeds, but in the TV shows I have noticed that Jim is getting a little rougher with his audience. One problem with that is the silence from his audience only serves to heighten the discrepancy between Jim's behaviour and the audiences'. Meaning, it makes Jim look a little more crazy.

Jim changed tactics in the latest show I saw - instead of the usual commercial for the generator/foodbuckets/etc at the end, Jim gave a "this just in" breaking news sort of thing. He sat there with the case for the generator prominently displayed next to him (label facing the camera, of course) and reviewed disaster news stories from around the world. He showed all the papers of news stories that he did not have time to share. Why just have a final commercial that outlines the various love gifts when you can use that 10 minutes to pump up the fear!

Anonymous said...

Somebody needs to spike the dino cake with xlax, mineral oil or spanish fly or something. That would get the audience to come alive. More excitement with the old Lawrence Welk crowd then that bunch.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Oh Mr. Coot?

Just behave and don't wear your damn suspenders so tight okay?

lol

Mr. Coot said...

I don't wear suspenders but my depends are a little too snug!

Kool-Aid Kid said...

... uh Mr. Coot ... you do know that your supposed to change them once in a while, right?

Troll Zombie said...

Well, there's a new schmuck on the horizon. Sid Roth is doing a live taping in June, and from what I've read, he's quite a nut. He's host of the TBN show "It's Supernatural!".

Looks like he's a prosperity preacher who also does miraculous healing and prophecy. I wonder if the day Jim booked Sid, he had that taping of healing the people in the audience with bad knees and arthritis. It seems like a classic Jim move to not let an upcoming guest have do anything Jim can't do.

Awaiting The Sex Scandal said...

At least on the old Lawrence Welk Show, the people got up and danced to the band playing and even Lawrence would go out and dance with the ladies. On Bakker's show the crowd sits and stays dead quiet like they are all sedated. Jim Bakker's crowd is the deadest TV audience I have ever seen.

Anonymous said...

Saw on the website that the materials to build the Old Mill Inn have arrived.

It said that the building will be a drive up warehouse for foodbucket orders. That does not sound like a non profit. it sounds like a business that sells FoodBuckets

Anonymous said...

The Old Mill Inn info also state that the building will house the new studio for the JB show as it will have better seating.

Whats the point of Grace Street if they move the show? Grace Street looks DOA. Theres nothing there except a restaurant that i wouldnt call a restaurant and a general store.

I thought the condo owners bought so they could look down at Grace Street JB tapings.

It also said there would be a hotel. They are sitting on condos they cant sell or rent. Why would they build a hotel?

This is REALLY heading back to PTL. If he sells clubs that include the hotel its 1987 all over again

Truthseeker said...

Is getting to be more and more like the old Heritage USA. Next he will be selling timeshares. Sooner or later the Feds are going to catch up with him!

Awaiting The Sex Scandal said...

OMG! I am wondering what will be happening in the Presidential Suite! LOL LOL LOL LOL!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

This website is defamatory and in violation of Christ's command to love ALL. I guess King David was allowed to repent but Jim Bakker is not, in your eyes? Did you not read his book entitled "I Was Wrong"? You need to fear God because you are trampling his people underfoot.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Took a look at the Moronside web page and saw as well that the steel has arrived for the Old Mill Inn. Chubby staff writer Darth Wert's picture hangs above the story column and he looks like a hairless Cheshire Cat complete with the grin. He needs a tree branch to perch on somewhere on Grace Street! Keep kissing Bakker's ass Darth and you will get what you deserve some day.

Tanya said...

Perhaps you have not read many of these comments, 6:17pm, because this issue has been discussed many times over. Even the book "I Was Wrong" has been discussed before.

What about Jim Bakker screams "repentance" to you?

Instead of telling us to fear God for daring to question Jim Bakker's actions, how about you post an outline of how Jim Bakker has repented and changed.

Can you follow this brief game of Jim Bakker ping-pong? ->

He said he wouldn't return to TV.

He is on TV.

He said he would not raise money again.

He is raising money again.

He owes a lot of money to the IRS.

He does not keep anything in his name to avoid paying his debt.

A redemption ladder was set out for him by his own faith.

Jim Bakker chose to not follow that redemption ladder.

There's so much more - the fake school, Lori's House, just on and on.

The main point is: Jim Bakker got out of prison and is now doing the same thing. Just look at the above comments - its the s-a-m-e thing.

Tell me where the remorse is, 6:17pm, because mostly Jim Bakker says people stabbed him in the back, set him up, and stole his ministry from him - he also has said that God sent him to prison so Jim could finally get that Bible read. Its so long, you see. Jim needed a bunch of time.

This is all just the tip of the iceberg.

I really am looking forward to your explanation.

Anonymous said...

To Anonymous @6:17,

The difference between Jim Bakker and David is when confronted about his sin by Nathan David was genuinely sorry for his sin and repented! David was a man after Gods own heart....Jim is a man after money and worldly things and he uses God to get it! Do not insult David and any man of God again by comparing Jim to them!!!!

You people at Morningside sure are worried about others "trampling people underfoot". You people are so defensive when you think someone has wronged you but you don't care about the harm you have done to others. Many have moved to that evil place and have been trampled on abused by all of you! You people are nothing but gossips who harrass people who are true men and women of God. There is no doubt there is a special place reserved in hell for you rude, nasty, evil people!!!

Craig said...

Yawn. Fake pastor bakker didn't have a true ministry at PTL. He hadn't by his own admission even read the bible. It was a marketing scheme.

jim has always been able to separate his target audience from their money. I don't feel sorry for the zombies. I hold them just as responsible as jim for the frauds taking place.

Darth Wert and Darth zach along with loopy Lori and creepy Char are facing felonies along with jim.

The Feds can't shut this criminal front down fast enough to suit me.

Cindy B. said...

The idiotic comment was probably written by Darth Wert or Jim or Lori themselves.

Brother Dortch said...

The book “I Was Wrong” contains so many misstatements and untruths that it no longer qualifies as a true and even remotely credible statement of redemption by Mr. Bakker. This book, in fact, will provide the U.S. government with even more evidence that will further bolster a new case to present to a new jury one day in the future.

The book, as correctly pointed out above, states that God told Jim he will never be on TV as a pastor ever again and look where he is now. This book renounces the “prosperity gospel” because it is not about God and His teachings and, just a couple of weeks ago, I heard Jim ask people to “sow” into his unaccredited workshop which he wrongly and untruthfully tells viewers is a “college”. Using the word “sow” to ask for money is the return of the prosperity gospel all over again. It is the “seed faith concept of giving” in which Christians are told that if they plant a seed, the seed will grown and give them back a financial blessing much larger than the original amount they have sown in the first place. Also, this is not the first time the prosperity gospel has been employed once again by Bakker. On a recent show, which featured guest Kelli Copeland, Kelli said she was going to “sow” into Bakker’s ministry and she evoked the seed faith concept of giving while both Jim and Lori said nothing to the contrary. In fact, both of them were in total agreement at the use of the term and the re-employment of the prosperity gospel by Ms. Copeland who learned all about the prosperity gospel from her parents—who have, and continue to employ this non-Christian and totally false concept, daily in their own so-called ministry.

God did not call pastors to build hotels. God did not call pastors to take $60,000 of church money and build a private pool, with sauna and juice bar, and attach that pool behind a false façade labeled “Feed Store” and place this before the public as being a Christian like thing to do. God did not call preachers to place their photos on the front of cereal boxes and sell them to their flock either. In fact, the God I know and serve CLEARED THE MONEY CHANGERS FROM THE TEMPLE!

God also did not call pastors to spend church money on a 23 foot speed boat and never, ever mention this boat to the people, whose money paid for it, for fear of it being ousted as a gross misuse of church funds—which indeed it certainly is.

God did not say to the sinners to “repent” and then have a so-called pastor, who was having homosexual relations for nearly ten years of his life, while married to a woman, then go forth and not repent, nor ever present himself before the church members he served in direct violation of what the holy word says in Leviticus 18:22

“You shall not lie with a man, as with a woman: it is abomination. (King James Ver)”

And translated into modern English means that:

“Never have sexual intercourse with a man as with a woman. It is disgusting.”

Brother Dortch said...

God did not call preachers to use such holy and religious tunes, such as “The Hallelujah Chorus” as a theme song to be played over the airwaves every time an electrical device is successfully plugged into a very low power generator the pastor is selling, via misleading scare tactics, to make even more money to misuse in His holy name.

God did not call pastors to be blatant liars and speakers of mistruths either. In the raising of money for “Stella’s House” I, personally, heard Mr. Bakker say that there is complete and total transparency in regard to all the funds raised for Stella’s House and that was a remark laced with fraud in its very being. Please name for me one place that displays ANY of the audits, in regard to Bakker’s ministry, who kept two-thirds of all funds raised, prior to Philip Cameron receiving his one-third, for Stella’s House that shows me exactly what the funds kept by Bakker were spent on.

God did not call pastors to reside in $600,000+ plus worth of real estate, totally paid for with church funds, and then go on TV and tell the viewing public how he is dependent on Social Security to live because his salary is only a small $400 per week take home—which was also announced by Bakker on his show in the presence of young, impressionable, “students”. I will not even go into the hiding of assets in other people’s names to avoid paying the six-million plus dollars to the government and I.R.S. which this so-called pastor owes them for doing the exact same identical thing he is doing right now all over again. Although I am not going to further discuss this right now, you can rest assured the U.S. government will not be as kind because they will be discussing it, I am sure, in a brand new trial in which this vermin, who was called by Rev. Jerry Falwell:

A liar, an embezzler, a sexual deviant, and "the greatest scab and cancer on the face of Christianity in 2,000 years of church history".

If you choose to invest your hard earned money this way then do so. Please don’t be so arrogant and foolish to try and convince me that this is God’s will because it is not and even you, kind sir or madam, know, if you dare take time to think about the issues so raised, know that your money can be put to much better use in the kingdom of God than it is by this charlatan right now.

Jessica said...

The comments about Jessica is just a tactic to try go another direction on this blog instead of answering any of the questions posted. I could comment but its so obvious that I won't.

I forced myself to watch an entire Bakker show again. Kind of like a test to see if I could stomach the arrogance of the Bakkers. I could hardly uncross my eyes when it was over.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Jessica,

I think Mr. Coot will be behaving himself for now on. Or will he?

Brother Dortch said...

"...Despite prison promises to change, Bakker has unfortunately returned to his old bad habits. His major flaw is that he builds a ministry on credit, then he expects viewers to bail him out. In one particularly embarrassing episode of the show, Bakker had a huge display board of all the cities in America where the show airs, with the amount needed to stay on the air in each city and the number of people who had contributed. In some cities he had only two contributors! This is a man who gets himself into deep debt under the guise of God calling him to expand the ministry, then he harasses viewers for not supporting him. Bakker has not learned his lesson even after years in prison..."

Stephen Winzenburg
Professor of Communications
Grand View College
Des Moines, IA

(Note: The Professor actually interviewed Bakker in prison)

Brother Dortch said...

"While claiming to be Christ-centered, the program is really Bakker-centered. For his 65th birthday he spent 15 minutes reading from his book “I Was Wrong” (bragging of the surprise birthday party his fellow convicts gave him that included stolen food) before offering the book to viewers for a “birthday gift” contribution of $65. He uses a type of false modesty to ask for money by proclaiming, “I didn’t think anybody’d watch Jim Bakker again” with a tear in his eye…His words may reflect a bit more humility, but the attitude is still very self-serving.”

Stephen Winzenburg
Professor of Communications
Grand View College
Des Moines, IA

Tanya said...

Kool-Aid Kid (6:27pm) - you mentioned a tree branch for perching on - its already happened, in a way. In a recent show introduction, our mutual brief acquaintance did the introduction from up by the rafters... said something like '...here high above Grace Street..." Your post reminded me of that.

Jim promised new material about the "Harbinger" - the only new thing I see is an audio book to sell. Has anyone noticed a new message re: the Harbinger? Because right now, all I see is a 7 show package (and counting, will we have a Day 8?) that is designed to sell all things "Harbinger."

Anonymous said...

Weird note, I think some place in the I Was Wrong Book, Jim was really upset over seeing his Tega Cay house burn while he was in prison.
They hadnt lived there in several years but it was like he was hell bent on getting that 10,000 square foot house back.

Anonymous said...

How does Jim explain building both the Old Mill Inn and Lori's House at the same time???

If saving babies is so important wouldnt that be where youd direct your $$$$?

Anonymous said...

Really curious as to why they are moving to a different studio.

There is rarely anyone in the audience.

Doesnt that seem like a huge waste of money?

SusanD said...

Tayna,
I watched Rabi Con for new information from his new book. All I heard was mumbling from Con, no new information as Jimbo had promised! So they are selling new DVD's with the same old crap in it to their viewers. lolol

SusanD said...

I was wondering if anyone had heard if Frank Davis is paying for the Old Mill Inn being built on Bakker's compound....Is the sudio part of the same building????

SusanD said...

opps studio

Anonymous said...

Jim is building a new studio?! Why?! There is no one in the audience except for the regulars that live at Mornigside like the adopted grandma.

Once again thank you Brother Dortch for your wise insights.

Jim Bakker is no way a rehabilitated con, he's just a con back at his game again.

We can only expect such nonsense from the Bakker supporters such as what came from 6:17. Real Christians read their bibles and have wisdom and discernment as a result. Anyone who has a relationship with God would never have a relationship with Jim Bakker. God warns us to stay away from men like Jim Bakker. We are also told to stay away from people like Jim's followers too.

I wish those defending Jim would just once instead of preaching about love would practice it! Could it be they can't practice the love of God because it's not in them? It looks that way from all they say and do!

SusanD said...

found this on the Bakker page

In addition to the studios and editing suites for the production of the show, additional phases of the Old Mill Inn will have hotel rooms for those who want to participate in fellowship and have an inspirational time at Morningside. The rooms will overlook the valley behind the Old Mill Inn with the beautiful trees and scenery.

We will be updating you again soon with progress reports on construction of the Old Mill Inn!

Omg he is planning to building a hotel too??? crazy lolol

Anonymous said...

@6:17:

Jesus had love for the pharisees' souls, wishing every man to be saved, but still condemned their twisting of the Old Testament as well as their fake piety and lavish public lifestyle.

Jim only presents the parts of the Bible that he can use to sell something. When's the last time you heard Jim on air speaking about sin and forgiveness?

Tanya said...

1:20am - that is a good question. Do you know, after just a few months of being aware of Jim Bakker's "new" show, I am so used to Jim racing around building things that I didn't even ask myself that!

I thought about the waste of building a new studio when they can't fill Grace street (even in the Rabbi shows, if you look at some camera angles there are lots of empty row seats - I wonder how long they taped for), and the wisdom of building a hotel when they can't fill their rent-able condos - all things that other posters have talked about... but to not question building Old Mill Inn *while* Jim is crying about needing money to save babies...

Thank you to the posters who snapped me back into reality.

Unless Frank Davis is paying for the whole thing... how much money do you think Frank is making off of the "love gifts?"

SusanD: in episode 8 - yes, we got to 8 in my area - Cahn talked about the secret codes in Ruth, and I haven't heard that bit before. Then again, I fast-forward so much of Cahn's shows I could have missed it. #8 was a different kind of show - Jim let Cahn talk uninterrupted for some time, and Lori didn't interrupt with anything. They both let Cahn say his piece. They must really like him.

I thought that when Cahn invited Jim and Lori to New York to see his ministry that Jim seemed a little lackluster. Just me, or did anyone else think that? Jim was talking about the next time they have Cahn booked (guess he'll have some other version of the Harbinger to sell by then - what comes after an audio book?), and Cahn said maybe he would see Jim before that in New York - Jim looked down, mumbled something like maybe, sure, maybe. Jim just didn't seem all that thrilled (to me).

Anonymous said...

As an ordained minister and Christian counselor, I am very troubled to see Mr. Bakker and his rabbi author friend exploit so-called Biblical "code" for financial profit.

One does not have to mine for supposed "codes" to understand the Bible, especially the teachings of Jesus. Scripture tells us: "You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free." It doesn't say, "you shall know the code and the code shall set you free."

What is greatly disturbing to me is that this "code" fad was started by a novel, The Da Vinci Code, that created a scenario where Jesus was married and his "wife" had a child.

Watching a show with the rabbi as guest, I saw Mr. Bakker discuss with him possible movie opportunities. The rabbi told Bakker he has been fielding calls about such a movie.

The "Harbinger" for the rabbi, Steve Strang (who published the book), and Mr. Bakker, is a harbinger of a lot of cash to come.

Why can't they be honest about it? Why do they have to be so disengenuous? No wonder the audience seems bored. Many of them must understand what is going on with the "gold in them thar' hills."

Surly old coot said...

to Mr Awaiting the sex scandal. I agree with that there comment. Lawrence Welk had some good entertainment and talented performers. I used to like Bobby and Cissy, they could really trip the light fantastic. Bakker only has Kevin who sings but don't dance. Sometimes they have that Spanish guy Dino on (plays piano) but not for a long time.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Good day to you Mr. Coot!

;)

Surly old coot said...

Thank you kindly Mr. Kool-aid-Kid. Here's hopin you have an enjoyable weekend, best to you n yours.

SusanD said...

Tanya,
I am guessing the reason Jim was not thrilled at Rabi Con invite so the church looks like its in a strip mall in NJ. I am sure NJ people would have a lot to say or yell at Jimbo lol

Anonymous said...

does anyone understand or have insight on the business deal between Jim and Crawford?

If Crawford owns Grace Street I cant see how he isn't in the hole in a big way.

Other than the restaurant and general store, what retail is there to pay rent? Thats assuming they pay rent.

The heating and cooling of Grace Street must be expensive as well as just electricity.

With that in mind, as stated before, how could they dig into a project like the Old Mill Inn with Grace Street looking like ghost town?
Theres something really weird down there

Anonymous said...

Does Jim think the Foodbuckets are ghoing to continue to sell like hotcakes??

I hate to remind him but isnt the idea to use them in the event of a disaster? That would mean they wouldnt be a monthly purchase like normal groceries. I think theres a point where you have tapped the market.

Awaiting The Sex Scandal said...

To Surly old coot,

Thanks for the kind words but that's Miss Awaiting and not "Mr. Awaiting" if you please!

Kool-Aid Kid said...

My exact thoughts as well SusanD! I can very well imagine many people in NJ would have interesting things to say to Mr. Bakker. It's easy for him to unlease disturbing videos during his money raising tv show of people dying during 9/11 when he safe and sound in the hill country! It's another thing to be appearing in person in NJ.

Tanya said...

SusanD and Kool-Aid Kid - I wondered if that was Jim's concern. Didn't someone post here awhile ago that the only restaurant Jim could go to was Gilbertis, because otherwise people would take the opportunity to tell him how they feel about him?

I imagine Jim Bakker would like his environments to be as controlled as possible.

Especially after exploiting images from 9/11 (not to mention all the other real disasters he shows footage of).

A team said...

If he does go to New Jersey, he'll be accompanied by his "bodyguards", Kevin and Zach. Right there you have a combined 1,000 lbs of solid persuasive power. Who's going to mess with Bakker with those gorillas "ass to ass". Bakker will be fine.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

LOL "A Team"

"ass to ass"

Very funny and fitting to the whole bakker homo situation. Thanks for the big laugh.

Cheers.

Ron said...

FINALLY going to get a new post out, should be tomorrow. Nothing big, just a little something to get the comments reset. My break wasn't supposed to be this long, but a few weeks ago I had the flu, then I tweaked my lower back which kept me (and keeps me) from sitting too long. That, plus my hectic work schedule, has kept me from getting anything done here.

So a short post is coming, bear with me.

Sebastian Cabbage said...

TO Mr. Jim Bakker: I will personally donate $1,000 to Morningside if Kevin does one pullup on TV. This I swear.

Moneyman said...

$1000 if Kevin can do 1 pushup, Zach can do 1 situp, or Sasha can go through a whole show without saying "wow"!

Anonymous said...

I'm not sure the media gets the bigger picture.

I think the Charlotte Observer had very seasoned and skilled reporters who knew what to look for in Jim's antics at PTL.

The Branson paper may not be up to the challenge.
Way back I saw Creflo Dollar on CNN in an interview with Don Lemon. Lemon didn't grasp the 501c structure and the fact that a tax exempt can be exempt and file a 990. his questions were a waste of time.

It's almost like after the Bakker blitz of 1987, the media sort of moved on.

Starting to wonder if it will take a pissed Morningside insider to shed light and bring this to an end.

Anonymous said...

Morningside has numerous condos for rent and listed for sale.

An article on the net stated there were 115 units. Wondering how many are filled.

The further building there doesn't make any sense.
The daily shows lack of audience clearly indicates there are few visitors.

Anonymous said...

Is that a joke? Zach played varsity football for many years, he'd belt out a lot more then you. Kevin is an old farmboy with a lot of strength.

Joe C Blue eye, Missouri said...

Anon, May 4th, 2:50 P.M.:

They already knew I was Joe C. and I confirmed the fact that I was, as I believe in transparency.

Joe C Blue eye, Missouri said...

Tanya,

Thank you for hitting the nail on the head.

Rob Bob said...

Joe C there has been so much speculation, when are you going to tell us what really happened at the meeting and since?

Joe C Blue eye, Missouri said...

Rob Bob,

Been there, done that.

As previously stated by numerous posters, bloggers, whatever the proper terminology is, this blog is not about me or my situation.

Once again, shame on me for putting my situation out for all to see.

I do feel this blog was a major player in the line of communication being established.

Thank you for that.

suomynona said...

The issues involved on the local level have not been about the reason for the construction.

I think it would be a sad thing if anybody tried to say otherwise. I do not think it has been an abortion issue.

Jim showed a picture of a cross tonight and made a comment about having to go through the cross to stop him this time, in reference to Lori's House.

This is the hidden message to his neighbors?

Warfare?

Won't you be my neighbor.

Tanya said...

You're welcome, Joe C.

suomynona said...

If you lie, does that constitute fraud?

Make way in the holding tank.

Rob Bob said...

Joe C this blog is about the fraud perpetrated by Jim. You live close to Morningside and were against the construction. We all supported you and you promised to keep us informed about your meeting and what was happening in the area. Then you became quiet, and the speculation began about what transpired. The only way to end that is not to give out a phone number but to talk about what really went on. Put it out there for all to see, and if you refuse, then we can figure out what happened and you are correct shame on you for lying to us, leading us on, and then selling out!

Joe C Blue eye, Missouri said...

I bitched to them because my wife bitched to me about construction noise at 6:30 in the morning.


I was assured construction would not proceed any earlier than 8 A.M. They have been true to their word.

Meeting adjourned.

Wise one said...

Rob Bob you are spot on!

Joe C, you continue to be secretive and they have not been true to their word because the construction has proceeded. It sounds like Rob Bob, Uncle Henry and a few others were correct in their assessment of you and what happened.

Enjoy retirement in Florida with your dirty money and hope you get a sunburn...

Truthseeker said...

Right on Rob Bob!

Joe C Blue eye, Missouri said...

I will keep that thought in mind tommorow when I do my 4th, 14 hour day at work this week.

Every penny I have is earned, thank you very much.

Joe C Blue eye, Missouri said...

Buy me out wise one.

Joe C Blue eye, Missouri said...

I don't get sun burned asshole, I'm Italian

Jessica said...

I am going on record saying Jim and Lori Bakker don't give a damn about the abortion issue. Its a gimmick! What a bunch of scums all of them. If I had the time, I would go there and picket the whole damn show. I would bring some Hollywood friends and hang out by the Jesus Idol with our little signs. All those zombies scramming around.

This I know for a fact. It is not easy to get an abortion, let alone five. Bakker has never experienced abortion, so he should shut up and stop talking like he understands the issue. His only issue is money. When they talk about girls that have an abortion needing a place to recuperate, that is crap. After a procedure, they give you cookies, orange juice and you go home and rest for a couple days. I have some experience in this arena so I'm calling Bakker out on this. Of course, I know I'm beating my gums for nothing, none of them are interested in truth or factual information.

The Bakker's are liars and connivers, we know that. Abortion is a 'hot button' with religious people so they jump on the band wagon to see if anything sticks. I can hear them counting money and grinning from ear to ear. Oops! They will have Jason Wert counting the money, that is what he was hired for to be the "gospel gopher".

Anonymous said...

is it legal in Missouri to raise funds for a project like Lori's House with no clear budget or monitoring of the incoming money?

Anonymous said...

I'm very surprised Roe Messner didnt face money laudering charges for his role at PTL. While Roe did do a short prison sentence it was over his personal bankruptcy.
At PTL--Roe supplied the money to pay Jessica. PTL then added the amount to an invoice as though Roe had done work.
How he didnt get it for money laundering is beyond me.
If I were a builder, I wouldnt be getting tied up with Jim.

Anonymous said...

Someone said Jim said it would take going through the cross to stop Lori's house?

How about Jim says he'll sell Lori's Pokeberry Lane Lake house to help BUILD Lori's house?

Anonymous said...

To Brother Dortch: Your comments of May 10th are so true! Please continue to keep us informed!

Brother Dortch said...

To my friend at 12:08:

Thank-you but I am just one blogger speaking from my heart as I see things and I am proud to be in the company of many other fine bloggers here too.

Appreciate your kind words!

James said...

Joe C. is an admitted liar and should no longer be trusted on this site. He lost his credibility and nothing he says should be believed!

Rob Bob's comments are correct and Jessica keep the great posts coming!

Anonymous said...

To the ordained pastor and christian counselor @ 10:47 on May 11th,

Thank you for sharing your wise insight on the Rabbi and the "secret code" scam. Christians are so gullible! Something didn't sit right in my spirit about this code talk and you hit the nail right on the head! If it's associated with Jim Bakker you know it's a lie, a con, and right from the pit of hell.

either with us or against us said...

I'm speaking for the silent majority of folks who visit here. Joe C; YOU NEED TO COME CLEAN ABOUT THE BAKKER MEETING! WHAT DO YOU KNOW AND WHEN DID YOU KNOW IT!


You can help us clear up a lot of loose ends.

Anonymous said...

As previously stated Joe C is a fraud. Once a liar always a liar and we shouldnt believe anything he states here.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Joe C. has offered his phone number. Call him.

Brother Dortch said...

Joe C.

Speaking as someone who has had to endure the diversionary tactics put forth by the Bakker backers, myself, I would simply ignore the little babies comments from now on. They are comments from idiots who don't have the brains the Good Lord gave them and you wonder why Jim Bakker is able to scam people out of money so easily? Look at those clowns and you can see why. They are probably into him for thousands now--plus a few promised nights in the Presidential Suite of the new hotel.

Also, I am sure this person also has at least one of Lori's Little Lambs too. It reminds him of who he was having sex with, out there in the barn for years, when his cousin wasn't available!

James said...

Bro D I do not support Jim nor have I given him a penny. Joe C admitted that he is a liar and all he has to endure is figuring out how to spend the money he was given after his deal with the devil!

Dont besmirch me and just stick to doing what you do best which is quoting other con men and making comments to stroke Tanya and KAK's ego after they stroke yours...

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Hey "either with us or against us"

Take a look below at your comment.

"I'm speaking for the silent majority of folks who visit here."

It's laughable. It's a totally bakker zombie comment. No cake for you because you are so damn stupid. Isn't it time for your cult bible study?

Kool-Aid Kid said...

James " Waaaaaaaaaa! " @956am

Call him you stupid zombie.

Brother Dortch said...

Hey James,

What you will be stroking is something at the new Presidential Suite I don't care to discuss here!

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Hey James old buddy. Rewrote your comment to reflect the true nature of your behaviour here on the Bucket. You've been a busy zombie here and you will be rewarded. Do you like the new comment? Good zombie. What the hell ... here's a nice big slice of dino carrot cake for you.

James said...
Bro D I love, stroke and support Jim and would give him my left nut if he needed it.

Brother Dortch said...

Kool-Aid,

I really shouldn't be so hard on the guy. His girlfriend did have a lot of good things to say about him. I spoke with her today and here is exactly what she told me:

"Baaaaaaaaa

Baaaaaaaaa

Baaaaaaaaa"

surly old coot said...

Kool-Aid Kid and Brother Dortch grow up and get back to the topic of this blog which is to give examples of fraud commityed by the con man Jimbo and stop attacking others for their opinions of Joe C.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Bro D. that bakker zombie had it coming after his stupid "I'm speaking for the silent majority of folks who visit here." comment. I mean ... just damn odd! ;))

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Good afternoon Mr. Coot.

;)

Brother Dortch said...

Kool-Aid,

I'll bet ewe when his cousin gets back in town that will, hopefully, settle him down a lot!

(get it?_)

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Good afternoon Mr. Coot!!!

hehehehe ... must be hard of hearing.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Got it!

Anonymous said...

"Kool-Aid Kid and Brother Dortch grow up and get back to the topic of this blog which is to give examples of fraud committed by the con man Jimbo and stop attacking others for their opinions of Joe C."
________________________

I couldn't agree more. All of the juvenile smart-ass cutesy-pie stuff on here serves to lessen this blog's credibility for any serious person (such as journalists) who might want to contribute to the downfall of the ever-prospering Bakker cult.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Mr. Coot where did you go?

Brother Dortch said...

To 11:05,

You are to be commended for practicing safe sex.

I hear you are painting the legs of the sheep that kick!

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Bro D the Moronside fake students are having a little fun today. Shouldn't they be busy making another MoronNow video or something?

Brother Dortch said...

If you look at the newest show on the JBS archive, with guest Tammy Sue, you will see that the bath house footage has been completely re-shot with absolutely no way to tell if anyone is using the stalls. They are only showing the mid section and not the bottom of the stalls.

Maybe the students have finally figured out, since they run their own "college," that this is exactly how the bath house footage should have been shot the first time! I am sure reading this blog has helped to improve the students bath house recording abilities immensely.

It is obvious they have a little down time at the moment! LOL!

Tanya said...

OK - let's all do what 8:52am said and *not* believe anything Joe C. says. We won't believe that construction was starting at a disruptive time in the morning, and we won't believe that at the meeting Joe asked Jim Bakker to start his construction at a more reasonable time, and we won't believe that Jim Bakker listened, agreed to respect his neighbor, and since then started construction at a respectful time.

Hmm... that actually makes Jim Bakker look good - like he has some respect for others in the community, but no - we just flat out won't believe it!

Now, tell me:

What does that change?

Now that we do not believe anything that Joe C. writes, what does that change about any of the questions/concerns/contradictions posted about Jim Bakker?

And one step further: let's believe that Jim Bakker offered a pay-off (bribe) to Joe C. to stop pointing out what Jim Bakker was up to re: construction.

What does that say? It says that Jim Bakker continues to do unethical things like offer bribes so he can avoid consequences of his actions.

Even the Bakker-supporters don't seem to think that Jim Bakker is truly a changed man.

Anonymous said...

Joe C is not the one selling Foodbuckets and buying Pokeberry Lane lake homes.

Can we stay focused on the guy the blog is named for (and his cronies)?

Jessica said...

This is Saturday so I thought I would share a vision God gave me last night. Sort of unnerved me. He must know I am not a believer, but God spoke through a donkey once so I'm right up there with a donkey.

I saw Bakker being dragged with his elevator shoes still on to the town square and was put in stocks, you know the ones for the head, arms and feet. He was sentenced to twelve hours of humiliation and one day of no fund raising. That hurt! Lori and the zombies, young and old, were U hauled to the roped off area. Oh ya, Wert provided sips of Koolaid for the Bakker, but I could see he was worried, he just landed the job.

This is what use to happen to liars, thief's and immoral men. Its possible that the IRS and the law will never take Bakker down, but public humiliation and scorn hopefully will score some points for us good guys.

Anonymous said...

It says on the IRS website that a nonprofit can be taxed on unrelated business income.

Unrelated business income is created through activities or sales of products not directly related to the organizations purpose. I would think the food bucket or generator sales could fall I to this category and as such not be exempt from tax....this could be an interesting loophole.

Brother Dortch said...

Re: May-11-2012 Show #2062

This is NOT a joke. This is an actual true story. Jim, who recently announced that he is NOT a prophet, just announced on this show that he was "serious" and would like to issue a prophecy. He said he would like to prophecy that Tammy Sue would be going to Moldova to visit "Stella's House". Here is a prophecy from a self-confessed non-prophet who runs a "college" in which he refers to his "students" as "prophets in training". Could this be what Co-Chief Prosecutor, Deborah Smith, meant when she referred to Jim Bakker as a "world class master of half truths?"

Then, on this same show, Bakker told of the passing of one of his frequent show guest's Dad. The guest is Bishop Ronnie Webb. Bishop Webb's Dad died and Bakker was telling how the Bishop's Dad was so concerned with seeing to it that all of his ten kids got a good education. Bakker and his wife go on to say that all of the Bishop's nine brothers and sisters became, as Jim put it, "either lawyers, doctors, preachers.." and that the Bishop's parents financed their children's education by farming and how that is so amazing. Here, when you refer to a college graduating doctors and lawyers, you see Bakker is impressed with the Bishop's Dad and Mom wanting their kids to receive a good education in a good and accredited school.

This was right AFTER Jim consulted Morningside College English Department Professor, James Chapman, who Bakker asked how he liked the new freeze dried foods that Bakker will soon be selling.

Professor Chapman stated that he liked the new dehydrated desert foods because they were "more sweeter" than the old ones and then Jim had to correct him on the air for his grammar. James then tried to make a joke out of it by saying it was just not only sweeter, but "more sweeter".

Welcome to Morningside! Where the students run the "college" that will NEVER graduate so much as even one doctor or lawyer. It is a "college" where hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of dollars have already been raised to build worthless and unneeded studios, as well as to build a home for pregnant women that has, since the money has been taken in, suddenly become a female student dorm for unpregnant "college student" women after Jim Bakker decided to change horses in the middle of the stream...and the dehydrated deserts are "more sweeter" than the actual real deserts!

And people wonder why this blog is so popular on the internet? One scam after another scam after another...and a college teacher that does not know how to either speak or write proper English. I guess you get what you pay for at the free college, don't you?

Johnny Appleseed said...

Surprised they don't sell dino prune cake. Would sell like hotcakes, the older bunch would love it. Jim Bakker, I got a million ideas like that, used to call me the "idea man" when I was younger. Perhaps you could use a thinker like me on the payroll. Will gladly work from home.

Tanya said...

It was a mess of contradictions, wasn't it, Brother Dortch?

I also noted that Jim Bakker said he and James went to a super-secret tasting at a company worth "billions" of dollars, and they were not allowed to photograph or film anything... but *wink* they filmed what they were allowed to - and they showed a brief clip of Jim tasting some food.

So Jim Bakker will film what he can get away with at a secret company meeting, but he does not get all the great helping his students did after the Branson tornado on film?

I also liked that the company that is working with Jim Bakker on the new "breakfast foodbuckets" first gave Jim and James a real breakfast with real food (brought in from the outside, I think James said) - hey, if the dehydrated crap is so good, why didn't they stand by their product and serve that for breakfast? That's what you keep saying, right Jim? That the dehydrated food you sell is so good you could eat it even if the world is not ending right at that moment?

Oh, and at the end, Jim reminded Tammy Sue that the album she released when she was a teenager made his ministry over $1 million, and asked her if she would do it again so he can get Lori's House built.

Guess that's a "no" to selling the lakehouse.

Anonymous said...

They made some big deal out of Jim and James having been on a super secret trip.
They couldn't say where they went but had a clip in a room tasting food.
Wild guess it was the Frank Davis HQ?

Anonymous said...

After the fall of PTL I always wondered why Vestal Goodman didn't help Tammy Sue relaunch her career

Anonymous said...

I was almost willing to flip past the Bakker's but if their ministry bought them a lake house and addded a pool to the condo I'm a bit pissed.

Brother Dortch said...

If there is one man on the face of this earth that needs to make his financial dealings totally and completely transparent that man is Jim Bakker.

But, no, we must listen to this endless rattle of half-truths from a man who will use the killing of babies to raise funds and then "bait & switch" the funds raised to build a student dorm for females who provide free labor to Bakker to produce his daily broadcast on the cheap.

I know there are professional journalists who regularly read this blog and, ladies and gentlemen, this is a story ripe for yet another Pulitzer Prize and appointment as a Presidential Scholar to be made if your reporting skills are as astute and sharp as those of Charles E. Shepard and his team at The Charlotte Observer.

Let's get a move on and get this story out over NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN or some other reputable print investigative news network who would make history if their reporting skills could match those of The Charlotte Observer years ago. Surely someone is up to the challenge!

Truthseeker said...

As 2 Masters Commission elders, James is certainly not well spoken and either is Sasha. Case in point, when Sasha was asked about the Lori Lamb blanket "its the most softest...

What a sham college Jim promotes, and soon Tammy Sue will be caught up in the shananagans because with no money or job skills she has no choice but to bow down to Daddy and be exploited.

@tokyodisney said...

Did anyone ever find any additional info on the relationship between Crawford and Bakker?

I can't see how he made any profit off developing out there.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Between Sasha saying "wow" and Lori moaning it's all unbelievably funny.

Mr Coot? Mr Coot? Where did he go?

surly old coot said...

Mr. Kid I just woke up from my mid afternoon nap. Like I said a while ago the Jim Shows are the best comedies on tv! Even funnier than Hee Haw!

Money well invested said...

It's already been established that the pool is for the purpose of spiritual immersion (Baptism). You need a pool for that purpose in the Evangelical tradition. There is nothing suspicious or odd about that. If you consult your history books it was common in the old fashion days to dunk a person in a creek or pond. That is frowned upon now adays because of pollution and water borne pathogens. The safest way is a clorinized pool. No bugs or leeches in the pool either.

Surly old coot said...

Mr Kool-aid-Kid, the above ornery varment is not me, but a counterfeit me. One thing rouces my dander up more then anyting and that is some young whipper snapper trying to make me out to be the goat. I post chare when I have something pertinent to say, not to hear myself gab. I don't take kindly to having words put in my mouth by some tin horn imitation. Thank you kindly. I agree though that there Bakker is a mighty strange no account peckerwood.

old fart said...

Surly old coot, you are a wise old owl, and these young wipper snappers need to respect us old timers! Can I get an AMEN!!!

old timer said...

AMEN, these youngsters need to stop disrespecting us old foggies as we are wise well beyond our years...

Cletus said...

Attention all seniors the earlybird special has now begun at Dennys so be on your way!

Anonymous said...

However, since there is a fine line sometimes between "related" and "unrelated" business activity, the IRS will not tax certain activities even if they don't seem related to the nonprofit's mission. Some of those activities include:
•those where nearly all the work is done by volunteers.
•those that are carried on primarily for the benefit of members, students, patients, officers, or employees. An example might be a gift shop at a hospital that serves patients or employees.
•the sale of merchandise that has been donated to the organization, as in a thrift store.
•the rental of mailing lists of donors or members.
•distributing incentives that are worth less than $5. Examples are stamps or pre-printed mailing labels given as incentives for donating money.

Although, a nonprofit can engage in unrelated business activities and pay taxes on the profit, it pays to be careful. Too much unrelated business activity may prompt the IRS to take a second look at your 501(c)(3) tax-exempt status. Make sure that your unrelated business activity doesn't absorb too many resources from staff or volunteers and don't let the income become too large a percentage of your total annual income.

Be sure to consult your legal counsel and your tax expert before you begin any "business" activity. The IRS provides details on unrelated business income tax on its website

Anonymous said...

Make sure that your unrelated business activity doesn't absorb too many resources from staff or volunteers and don't let the income become too large a percentage of your total annual income.

Be sure to consult your legal counsel and your tax expert before you begin any "business" activity. The IRS provides details on unrelated business income tax on its website

Anonymous said...

Nonprofits often undertake business operations that supplement fundraising and other activities that are related to the organization's mission. While this is becoming more popular, nonprofit organizations must be careful not to expand those operations to a level where they jeopardize their nonprofit status.

http://www.nonprofit.pro/unrelated_income.htm

ole uppity Edgar said...

That good ole boy Jimmy Bakker is the cat's ass, nothing I like better then sitting back popping a top off a can of Pabst Blue Ribbon or Narragansett Lagar beer and lighting up a White Owl blunt. Good quality viewing!! And that Lori Bakker is one lady that's easy on the eyes. Not mind a roll in the hay with her, she's a real sofphisticated mamma.

Anonymous said...

First, what is unrelated income? Unrelated business income is generated by a business activity not substantially related to the exempt purpose of the organization and regularly carried out by the organization. Take for example a 501 (c) (3) science center that charges admission to tour the facility and review exhibits and demonstrations. The money from admission is related and therefore not subject to federal corporate tax. The science center also operates a restaurant in the facility with the profits used to fund the mission of the center. Even though the funds are used to support the nonprofit's mission, it is unrelated and subject to the unrelated business income tax. Generally, all 501(c) (3) organizations are subject to a tax on unrelated business income.

http://www.nonprofit.pro/unrelated_income.htm

Anonymous said...

Seems hard to believe that food Buckets and Solar Generators coiuld be anything OTHER than unrelated business income.

Anonymous said...

It would be AMAZING to me to find that a "church" can sell food buckets and generators and allow the buyer to call it a donation.

It clearly says on the website that when you are "donating" when you get a foodbucket or generator.
Hmmm---ummm How the heck is that a donation? I call that UNRELATED BUSINESS INCOME THAT SHOULD NOT BE TAX EXEMPT but I'm not the IRS.

I mean it have all been cleared by the IRS. Right? And I mean building a warehouse to distribute all the stuff people are donationg for that so directly (cough cough) relates to your nonprofit wouldnt be a good idea unless you checled it all out right?

Anonymous said...

Isnt the idea that the Old MIll buckets are in fact a Morningside church brand?

Along with the Jim Bakker cereral, thats all unique to the church. And most churches do sell I mean offer things like generators and food in exchange for donations

Uncle Henry said...

ole uppity Edgar, welcome to the more mature club which includes old fart, surly old coot, old timer, along with a few others and myself! I just got back from the early bird buffet where I really enjoy the soup and rice pudding!

Grandma Maxine said...

Don't forget about me...

Anonymous said...

They said on the most recent show that the Old Mill Inn will have a tornadoe shelter. They showed video of it being built.

In the event of a tornado how would they get the elderly out their Grace Street condos and over to a shelter before the thing hit?

Anonymous said...

Love to see how Bakker handles the food bucket and generators in terms of the taxes.
The earlier info was in reference to nonprofits in general.
Pasted in below is a tidbit about how a church nonprofit handles it


How do Churches handle Unrelated Business Income?




by Darrell Mims
The good news is that Churches and religious organizations can produce income from sources that are unrelated to their tax-exempt purposes. This income must not be a substantial part of the overall organization’s activities. The bad news is that your ministry will have to pay taxes on that unrelated business income

Anonymous said...

I liked this part

This income must not be a substantial part of the overall organization’s activities.

Now, iof this is questioned maybe Bakker will say that he is an End Times preacher abnd Food Buckets are End Times items but how do you explain Silver Sol and Trampolines?

Anonymous said...

***OK---remember Bakker telling Grandma Char to write that check?
Pasted below is from the IRS website


The Internal Revenue Service looks at factors that fall within three categories, namely behavioral control, financial control and the relationships of the parties. Behavioral control deals with facts that substantiate the right to direct or control the detail and means by which a worker performs the required services

Anonymous said...

Whoa to the comment above about
behavioral control ie Grandma Char being told to write checks by Jim...just caught an old episode where Jim tells Dino he bought a dog statue of Dino's, a bronze statue at a charity auction.
Lori chimes in and says how her Mom got it ie it was probably paid for with a Morningside check and since JIm cant sign Morningside checks Char had to tag along to write the check....Clever

Anonymous said...

So in one breath, they are telling the viewers to BUY BUY BUY and they in the next they are BUYING BRONZE dog statues at an auction AND make Char Graham write the Morningside check to do it.

WHAT THE FUCK?

a. Why are you buying statues with the world's end looming?
b. Why are you telling Char to write checks when you are not supposed to be buying anything or writing checks
c. Isn't it a bit rude to show off dog statues you are buying when you want other people to buy your shit? What if the loyal follower wants his own dog statue Bakker?
d. I will say the dog statue was a better investment than the Jesus statue. I love Jesus but that Jesus statue has a cery Made in China feel.
IRS---Should he be telling Charlene to buy dog statues? I'd seize it and use it toward the bax tax bill.

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