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Saturday, March 24, 2012

Jim Bakker scribbles on Zach, talks junk with Bill Whaley part 3

Gord Pedersen: 'How does that Silver Sol shit work again?'
This is the final post for this episode. If you haven't already read the first part, please click here for part 1 of Jim Bakker scribbles on Zach, talks junk with Bill Whaley.

I wasn't aware that Dr Gordon Pedersen was the man behind Silver Sol, but he's the one in the commercial so now he owns it in my book. He tells us some gobbledy-gook about his miracle tonic, explaining that the particles of silver are so tiny that they can 'enter a red blood cell'. He says this is good because there's nothing to 'irritate or agitate', and that the particles of silver are just there to 'kill the germs'. I haven't been following the Silver Sol scene, but this sounds very, very stupid to me. Why would anyone voluntarily ingest something that is going to enter their blood cells and 'kill the germs'? How does silver know the difference between a germ and a blood cell? This sounds like an experiment the Japanese would do on Allied POWs to see how long they'd survive. Why would anyone even waste their time with this? It's so stupid it's laughable.

This is what happens when you follow Jim Bakker's advice
I did a little looking on this Dr Gordon Pedersen. Don't let the white lab coat fool you, because Gordon Pedersen is not a medical doctor. He has a PhD from a toxicology program which sounds promising, but in this press release he's billed as the “Anti-Aging Master Formulator” which causes my quack-alert siren to whoop loudly inside my head. I don't feel very comfortable here, Mr Pedersen. Didn't this silver stuff turn some guy's skin blue like a smurf not too long ago? I think I'll pass on your miracle tonic this time around. My body already does a good enough job 'killing the germs' and you know what they say: If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I'll tell you what though: When I'm on my deathbed, I'll take a swig and see if it does anything for me. Does it cure dying?

Jim Bakker's Blue Skin Ointment w/ bonus Amoeba Pot, $88
Zach announces a Silver Sol package for $600, then Sasha announces a case of 50 for $900. These packages come with Neti Pots. Why hasn't Jim told us the scary stories involving Neti Pots and brain-eating amoebas? Hasn't he heard about the people who have died after using them? It's strange to think that nobody on that stage has heard about the Neti Pot amoebas, and it makes me wonder if Jim's hiding the truth a little bit there so as not to cut into his own product sales. Blue skin coloring and brain-eating amoebas...that's two strikes against this Silver Sol package already. Yet Jim Bakker is still selling it with no mention at all about these serious risks? Doesn't sound very honest to me, Pastor Bakker.

Lori says "Wow!" while Jim gulps air
We're out of the commercial and back to the Junk Man Show with Jim Bakker. Jim asks a question designed to lead Whaley into a product demonstration, but the Junk Man's having none of it. These are direct quotes:
Jim:I've read that you help street people stay warm...One of the biggest problems people are going to have is when the power goes out. How do you keep from freezing?”
Junk Man:Let's go to the street first.”
Jim:Okay.
Jim just has to sit there and take it. He's on the couch, leaning on his knee and staring at Whaley, but he's powerless to do anything. The old coot just keeps going on. For her part, Lori loves listening to this guy. She turns to the camera and mouths the word 'Wow!' as Whaley talks.

Whaley grabs his papers as Jim dreams of a happy place
Uh oh, Whaley just stepped over into la-la land. Now he's talking governmental conspiracy against the poor, the homeless, and the 'working people'. He's using the fingers on his hands to count off each targeted group. Jim, you need to step in and stop this now. A man uncovering conspiracy at this level is a man that the government will do everything to silence. The FBI probably has a file as a thick as a book on this Whaley character, hell there's probably agents in your audience right now keeping tabs on him. You don't need this kind of heat Jim, you don't need it!


The Junk Kook spices things up with conspiracy talk
Whaley has now reached for a stack of papers to expose a Senate Bill designed, according to the Junk Kook, to outlaw people from growing gardens. Lori's little mind has been blown by this conspiracy. We hear her off-camera saying, "Unbelievable. Unbelievable". With his stack of papers in one hand, Whaley employs use of his other hand to count off even more targeted groups. He's talking farming, saying something about us controlling the food. He then says, 'Guess who else we control?' Then bam, an edit arrives just in time. Just in time to save Whaley's life, and possibly everyone at Morningside. Whatever information he had was bound to uncover conspiracy at the highest levels of government. They will stop at nothing, Bill, nothing. Now I understand why you live 'off the grid'.

The Junk Kook's audio was cut. What secrets did he expose?
The edit was abrupt, and now it goes straight to Bakker. Jim feeds into Whaley's conspiracy a little bit, talking about some weird government crackdown on an Amish farmer selling raw milk. The camera shows Whaley with a smirk on his face while he points to his papers and speaks, but there's no sound because it's an edit job. Wow, I wonder how long he droned on for before the kids cut him off in the editing room? How much more conspiracy is lying on the Jim Bakker Show cutting room floor? Maybe Jim Bakker himself is part of the conspiracy to silence the Junk Kook...you ever think of that one, Bill?

Finally, Bakker has taken back a little control. He moves from the Amish farmer straight into Lori's House, telling us that he's being called 'evil' for building a home to save babies. No Jim, that's not why you are called evil. You are called evil because you prey on the elderly and mentally-incompetent, earning their trust specifically so you can take their money. You are called evil not because you are building a home to save babies, Jim, but because you lie about why people call you evil.

Bakker: 'Oh my God, I've invited a lunatic onto my show.'
Jim turns back to Bill and pleads with him, “We can't get political. They'll put me away, Bill.” That's Jim's way of saying, 'Knock off the soapbox shit and get to the trinkets'. Bakker asks the Junk Kook how we can stay warm if the power grid goes down. Hey Bill, I'll take this one for you. Jim, the secret is layers. Thermals, jackets, whatever you have in the closet. You know the way you're dressed when you go outside in the cold? Just dress like that inside. Add a blanket if you need to. Burn some wood in a fireplace, maybe even roast some marshmallows! Next question please.


Whaley pouts after Jim shoots down his conspiracy theory
The Junk Kook was still thumbing the pages of his conspiracy documents when Jim told him to knock it off. I'm pretty sure he's pissed off now because he's acting like a bratty child who was just told to sit still at a Christmas party. He's back to flopping his hands up and down on the arms of his chair, and he has a little smirk on his face. Bill Whaley, a sixty-something man who once flew choppers in Vietnam, is pouting.

The Junk Kook doesn't like being silenced. Without neighbors, he pretty much lives in silence all the time save for his dumpster divin' wife. Deep down inside, I think what Bill Whaley wants are friends, people to talk to and people to listen. Unfortunately, years of living like a mountain man have made him strange. Picking through garbage is strange. Dreaming up conspiracy is strange. If he were a kid, he could break out of that strangeness bubble and live normally like everyone else. But the Junk Kook is already into his sixties. There's no changing a man who's had that much time to become weird. So, the Junk Kook's inner desire for friendship will never be satisfied unless he finds a friend who is also strange. And that'll just make him weirder.

Bill Whaley angrily snatches bag off table
Since the Junk Kook is pouting, he didn't accept Jim's first invitation to tell us all how to keep warm. Now Jim has to really prod him into action. Jim chooses his words carefully, saying “You have so many things, I don't know which ones you want to go to first. Do you want me to pick or do you want to tell me?” That bratty child who was told to sit down is now being told to pick a present and open it while everyone watches. Whaley angrily snatches an empty plastic bread bag off the table. This guy is cracking me up, he's really pissed off that Jim told him to stop with the conspiracy crap. He hoists the bag over his head and, in a condescending tone, asks everyone on stage what they would do with it. He has such a look of disdain on his face as he asks this, he's just dying to point his finger at everyone on stage and call them dummies.

Bill Whaley: 'I'm holding gasoline in my hand you dummies.'
After a pause, Bakker says he would throw the bag away. Kevin follows the leader and says he would throw it away too. At this point, I think they want to throw Bill Whaley away with the bag too. The Junk Kook looks down his nose at us and says, “I'm holding gasoline in my hand.” Kevin Shorey feigns shock at this announcement, and Whaley reiterates that the plastic bag can be converted to gasoline. He once again holds his prized plastic bag up, and then we get a very long, awkward pause. I thought my DVR froze, but nope that's just the deafening sound of silence on stage. Whaley has completely killed any amount of viewer interest in him with his pouting act, and now he's going nuts with the bread bag. Everyone, and I mean every single person on that stage, is on the defensive with him. They've all now realized that he's a lunatic.

Whaley's 'latex glove': The bane of canines everywhere.
The plastic bag is not just gasoline, Whaley tells us. It's also a latex glove that can be used to pick up dog 'droppings'. I'm very suspicious of this statement, Bill. Out in my neck of the woods, we don't associate latex gloves with dog crap. We associate them with people crap, and more specifically, the holes where the people crap comes from. Are you bread-bagging your hands and giving rectal examinations out there in 'off-the-grid' land? And who are you examining? There are exactly two people in those woods where you live, plus one unlucky dog. Please don't tell me you're...I just...don't you dare hurt that dog, Bill.

Bill Whaley's dog being inspected for worms
Whaley goes on about the multi-use bread bag. He uses it to store butchered chickens in the freezer, and god knows what else. He also puts his skid-marked underwear, ratty t-shirts and mismatched socks in the bag so they don't get wet. What about bread, Bill, do you ever put bread in the bag?

Bill wears the bags on his feet in the wintertime. He says he puts them on his feet, then puts socks over them to keep his feet warm. You're a military man, Bill. Isn't that a recipe for trench foot? Or do you use the water generated by your sweaty, suffocating feet for brushing your teeth?

Whaley ends his childish tirade by asking a question. With his prized bag once again held up with both hands and a voice filled with utter contempt, he turns to Jim and Lori and asks, “Why would I throw it away?” As he asks, he jingles the bag ends so that the plastic makes noise.

Jim talks Whaley down off the ledge as Lori daydreams
Jim got a lot more than he bargained for with this guest. Jim is sweating, oh man is he sweating. He moves to a new question, and as he poses it he sounds like a psychiatrist trying to keep a wild-eyed mental patient from setting himself on fire.

Bakker is really shaken. He says, “Bill, what you're telling us is we can use the things around us to survive. We don't have to lay down and die.” Whaley is folding the plastic bag into a neat square as Jim speaks. Bakker looks to the audience for applause and gets it, and then we see Jim with a look of worry on his face as he gulps down a mouthful of air. Disaster averted, but what's up next?

Bill Whaley loves knowing more about garbage than we do
Whaley has lightened up now. The tension was cut by the applause, and now Bill Whaley feels respected again. He grabs another piece of garbage, an empty spaghetti sauce jar. Actually, I wouldn't classify this one as garbage if you have liquids you want to store. It depends on the liquid, of course. I might use it for pickled eggs, while the Junk Kook might use it for urine bombs. Let's see.

God, Whaley is so obnoxious. He has a way of speaking that is demeaning to all around him. Lori picks up on it subconsciously, because now she's referring to him as 'sir'. He's an asshole without justification. He tells all of us dummies that we can use the sauce jar as a measuring cup. He also says that we can use it to serve drinks in. He suggests giving it to children to drink from, so if they break it they “don't break your good stuff.” You know what I would use your glass jar for, Bill? A baseball. I would tee that sucker right up, then shatter it into a million unusable pieces with a baseball bat. Oh hey, give me that bread bag too, it'll make a great noise maker. Just blow it up full of air, hold the open side closed, then clap your hands together quickly. Pop!

A frozen Jim Bakker tries to figure a way out of this debacle
Jim is frozen solid on the couch. Lori reacts well to assholes, she likes that sort of leadership, but Jim doesn't. He's not quite sure what to do here.

Now the Junk Kook grabs a 2-liter bottle that he chopped in half. It's not chopped well, it looks like he hacked it in half with a butter knife or clipped it down with nail clippers. I also can't rule out the possibility that he had his wife bite through it. Whaley is finding his groove now. He leans back in the chair and asks, “What can you do with a 2-liter bottle?” See that's the problem, Bill, it's the way you introduce your items. Stop asking us what we can do with your garbage and just show us instead.

Plastic bottle that Whaley's wife bit in half
You ask us questions that you think we can't answer in order to make us feel small. But it's not that we can't answer them, it's that we don't really care. You deal in garbage, the stuff I toss out with a smile on my face. Whenever I have to go back into my garbage to find something that was thrown out accidentally, I don't smile. I grimace and I hold my nose, and sometimes I even ask my wife for help because it's so disgusting to me. When you pose questions designed to make people feel dumb for not knowing the ins-and-outs of the garbage heap, you fail in your quest for friendship. Normal people don't like that.

From the 2-liter bottle, Whaley says he can make a water filter, ice holder, and funnel. Bakker breaks free from his daze and jumps on the funnel idea. Jim grabs the funnel from the table and tells us how we could use it to add gas to our cars if we needed to. Does Jim not know that gas cans come with spouts? I'll go one further: Does Jim not know that funnels can be purchased for a couple dollars at Home Depot? With the dollar Jim gave Lori earlier in the show, they're already halfway down the road to funnel ownership. See how easy that is, Jim?

Papa Whaley took little Jimmy's funnel toy away from him
Whaley isn't having any of Jim's gas-can funnel crap. He takes the funnel away from Bakker like a parent taking scissors from a toddler and completely ignores Jim's suggestion. I get the feeling that the Junk Man is thinking, 'Thanks for humoring us buddy, but let's leave the survival stuff to the experts.' Jim was still talking as Whaley took the funnel back from him, he even looked to his audience for support while stammering out, “Isn't that a good..good idea?” I hate to say it, but I'm actually starting to pull for Bakker in this fight. Whaley's a total jackass and needs to be put in his place. If Bill were an ass because he doesn't like Bakker, I'd be on his side. He isn't though. Bill Whaley's an ass because Bill Whaley's an ass.

"...teach a man to fish, feed him for a lifetime."
Ugh, the Junk Man tells us something about poking holes in the bottle, stitching it with twine, and adding bread crumbs to make a 'minnow catcher' for fishing. What happened to you out there in that Vietnamese jungle, Bill? What did you see that's got you so spooked? You're back home in America now, Bill. You don't need to do this, we are friendlies and you are safe. You can go to the store and buy bait from an honest man who is happy to sell to you. Hell, you can even skip the bait and just buy a fish! Don't worry, you will not encounter any VC here. No land mines, no crushed glass in your Pepsi. Just relax sir and calm down. Now please tell me: Are you carrying any knives or other weapons on your person right now?

'Wait 'till the Feds get a load of my urine bombs, muhahaha!'
Whaley is still obsessing over the bottle. He's showing us how he can add one of his black-painted glass bottles inside the larger plastic bottle, fill one of the two with soup (I don't know which), and cook the soup outside in the sun. As he's configuring this thing, it's making all kinds of annoying ripping and tearing noises as he tries to fit everything together. Why Bill? Why would I waste my time? What you are showing us is so unimportant, it really is. If I had a choice between doing all that menial crap to sun-cook my soup, or just eating cold soup...I'll eat cold soup, Bill. Really, I would.
[Bill Whaley] [showing me how to configure the soup cooker] "So you just take this piece here and add this part...wait, hold on, I think I'm missing something."
[Ron] [eyes glossing over] "It's okay Bill, I don't need all that stuff. I'll just eat it cold."
[Bill Whaley] [shock bordering on offense] "Cold soup? Who wants to eat cold soup!? Just gimme a second, there's a piece missing. We'll get your soup cooking in no time!"
[Ron] [looks at watch] "Bill, it's...it's fine. Can I have my soup back please?
[Bill Whaley] [red-faced and aggressive] "No you cannot have your soup back please, I haven't shown you how to heat it yet! Just give me a second."
[Ron] "These aren't seconds anymore, these are minutes now and I'm hungry."

Bill growls threateningly.

[Ron] [laughing] "Why are you getting so upset?"
[Bill Whaley] [screaming] "I'm not upset!"

Bill Whaley rubs his 40-grit palms together
Jim refers to Whaley's soup-warming contraption as a 'solar cooker'. I'm not sure that 'cooker' is the right word as I don't think anyone will be sizzling bacon in it anytime soon, but whatever. It gets hot, wow. Bill also says we can take a sand-filled soda can, paint it black, then set it in the sun to make a hand warmer. Ahhh, Bill knows just how to make things nice and cozy on those crisp Ozark mornin's. Bill really lays it on us thick with the hand warmer, even rubbing his hands together as he describes it. The sound his hands make when rubbed together are like sandpaper on a wood deck. Don't let the dumpy looks fool you, because the Junk Man isn't all about business: He's pleasure too.

The Junk Kook snaps rubber band off yet more garbage
Jim asks Bill what else he has for show-and-tell. I hope this is over soon because my Bill Whaley Junk-O-Meter is running into the red zone. I'm very near to experiencing a junk overdose, and I'm considering buying a furnace for all of my garbage to prevent it from falling into the hands of the other Bill Whaleys of the world.

Bill asks one of the Master's Media kids to pass him a piece of garbage that's out of reach. It's yet another crinkly piece of plastic. If this guy lived next door to me, he would drive me bonkers. I recycle. I have plastic and glass bottles wrapped up in bags on the side of my house, not stacked, just lying out there nice and clean, awaiting the few times each year when I have time to unload it all at the recycling center. If Bill lived next door, I just know that guy would be breaking my balls every couple weeks or so, asking if he could have my plastic. I'd have to tell him no, but then I'd realize that he's looking at my house and probably rooting through my garbage at night when I'm sleeping. I'd be powerless to stop him. It would drive me nuts.

The Junk Tornado unwraps loudly while Lori tries to speak
Whatever Whaley's next piece of garbage is, he has it encased in a plastic bag. Is that to keep it clean? He snaps off two rubber bands from the bag and starts unraveling the treasure inside. Meanwhile, Lori is talking, or at least trying to talk. She's saying something about the Master's Media kids, but Bill keeps driving on with his unpacking. He's like a Junk Tornado: All we see and hear is the crinkling of plastic, rubber bands snapping, and cups or pieces of cups flying about. Whaley's in his zone now, he has no time for Lori's child's play and small talk. Lori's voice trails off as she completes her sentence and stares at Bill, then we all listen and watch for a few awkward seconds as the Junk Tornado finishes unpacking. The ball is back in Whaley's court now.

Bill Whaley struggling to snug his water filter down tight
"This is a coffee creamer bottle. I just cut the bottom off of it." Whaley's face is glowing, he loves this stuff. "I went down to Walmart for $7 and bought me one of those Brita pitcher filters." Bill then drops one of those 'Brita pitcher filters' into his creamer bottle. It's a near perfect fit. Bill pulls down hard on the other end of the filter, you can see the strain on his face as he snugs the filter into the plastic bottle and seats it. He holds it up for us to see and declares proudly, "Now I got a water filter that'll filter 40 gallons of water anywhere I want to go with it." Bill, my good man...what you call a water filter, I call a smoking gun. Did you know that Jim Bakker actually sells expensive Seychelle water filters for over 3 times the price you just mentioned? In fact, the chair your sitting in was probably still warm from Dr Seychelle's last visit! Don't know who Dr Seychelle is, Bill? Well let me describe him for you, you might like him!

Detective Bill Whaley holds the smoking gun for all to see
First off, Dr Seychelle is not really a doctor at all, but Jim insists on calling him one and the fake doctor doesn't seem to mind. His real name is Carl Palmer. He has a face full of plastic surgery, is the CEO of a multi-million dollar company, and has what might be called a 'trophy wife' who operates as a 'Holistic Dental Hygienist'. That sound like your kinda' people, Bill? Or can I just call you 'Dr Whaley'...it'll make people trust you more!

You want conspiracy, Bill, well you just got one. A real one this time. You are now in competition with the fake Dr Seychelle and his froggy little buddy, Jim Bakker. You are on a show whose sole intent is to sell product. You, Bill, with all your quirks, are still at heart trying to help people. If you thought that's what Jim Bakker was about, you've made a mistake. The Jim Bakker Show is designed for product-sales, not people-helping. Showing people how to make a cheap water filter is a noble effort on your part, but in Jim's calculating mind, why would he give people something for free when he can charge them for it instead?

Jim got away from the $7 water filter real quick
Jim's subdued response to Bill's water filter: "Oh my lamb." Bakker had no idea this was going to happen and I can see the wheels turning in his mind, trying to figure out how to brush this under the rug as fast as possible without people catching on. We get one more sentence from Bill before edit: "That's how simple it is to have good clean water." Jim says, haltingly, "It really is. What's next?" Lori is next to Jim with a smile plastered on her face, but I can see her little mind chugging along as well. I'm pretty sure she caught on to the water filter fiasco too, but hell for all I know she's daydreaming about sex and crack-pipes. You never really know with Lori...one minute she's thinking about abortion, the next minute she's thinking about balloons.

Biker Chick Max tries to remember how much Jim's filters cost
As I said, a heavy edit took place here. The next time we see Bill he's snapping a rubber band back onto the plastic-covered water filter set that took him so long to unwrap earlier. No statement on this, Pastor Bakker? Shouldn't you be suggesting to us all that we save our money on pricey Seychelle filters and just build Dr Whaley's $7 filters instead?

We're back to Jim's first question about how to keep people warm, and Bakker once again refers to homeless people as 'street people'. Whaley grabs a large tin can and starts pulling metal objects out of it while Jim is still talking. Clank, clink, clunk. I know you're off the grid Bill, but I think someone is eventually going to find you out there because of all the noise you make. Do you get a lot of hungry bears out your way?

Bill Whaley removes small metal can from large metal can
The Junk Man is glowing again. I get the feeling he could talk junk, garbage and scavenging all day and night, then continuing on into the morning. Bill Whaley fails among men, but at the garbage heap he reigns supreme. Bill grabs Jim's sharpie, the same one used to write on Zach's forehead, and draws a square on the tin can. He tells us that we can cut out the square of tin, bend it over a stick, and 'put a nail through it' to make a frying pan. I have to say, when Bil grabbed the Zach sharpie and started drawing I was expecting a little more from him then a piece of tin attached to a stick. Let's throw that one out Bill, it's sort of lame. Even a gorilla could figure that one out. And by gorilla, I mean Zach Drew.

'Scuse me brother, any sausage cans to spare?
If we want to make a heater instead, Bill tells us to add a couple inches of dirt or sand to the tin can. Then we take a Vienna Sausage tin can, add wax and some pipe cleaners to make a candle. Bill, this one's even more lame. Where am I going to find an empty Vienna Sausage can? Do I need to find a hobo in a train car and rifle through his plaid knapsack while he's passed out drunk? And if I already have wax, wouldn't I also already have a candle? Bill, did you know they make things called tealight candles that can be purchased for less than a twenty cents a piece? You need to get out more and stop handling so much garbage, I think all the toxic metals have started to turn your brain into pudding.

Bill's still driving on with his candle heater. He tells us to place the sausage-can candle into the big tin can, then take a "big 62 oz juice can", poke holes in it and place it over the top of this unwieldy contraption to make a tiny, ineffective heater. I wouldn't even know what a 62 oz juice can looks like, but Bill has the sucker memorized. You've been hanging around the garbage heap for far too long Bill. Here's a life tip: If you converse with more rodents each day than people, then you need a serious change of lifestyle. It's not healthy for your mind.

Jim asked the Junk Kook for his thoughts on the economy
Bakker wants some fear-mongering from Whaley to close the show with. Jim asks the Junk Kook, a man completely unqualified to give answers on, well, anything, if he thinks the dollar is going to 'totally collapse'. Whaley says that this year the 'financial institution' is going to hit everybody and it's going to hit us hard. Jim Bakker, of course, loves hearing the unqualified Bill Whaley predict economic disaster. He looks to the audience and says, "Now listen to what he's saying people. This is what I've been trying to warn you and warn you and warn you..."

I'll get by just fine without your plastic bread bag, Bill
Finally, the show winds down. Bakker asks Whaley to address the critics who call his gimmick stupid. Whaley tells us "your dollar's gettin' littler every day", and asks, "What happens when you can't buy this?" Bill, if I'm so stupid that I can't figure out how to stay warm with all the extra clothes in my closet, or how to crack open a can of Campbell's soup and eat it, then I guess I'll just die. That really sums it up for me, I'd rather lose out and die then spend my life living in fear of ridiculous things like roving gangs, dying of thirst, starving, or freezing to death. I'm not a settler on the frontier.

But let's be honest here: The scary world you describe is not going to happen in our lifetime. We don't live in Sudan, we live in America. Among other things, we have police, military, business, and multiple layers of government filled with fellow citizens who have a vested interest in keeping everything under control. The doom-speakers and fear-mongers like Jim Bakker know this too. That's why they take cold hard cash as payment for their products and speaking engagements. They prey on dimwits who've been watching too many scary movies. Think about it for a second: if Jim Bakker really thought the world was going to fall apart, wouldn't he be doing something to prevent it instead of catering to it?

How much did Jim Bakker pay for your integrity, Bill?
Bakker ends the show with one final pitch for his Wheat Buckets. The high hopes I had for Bill Whaley's integrity have now vanished, because Jim tells us that every $100 Wheat Bucket sold today comes with a free DVD of the Junk Kook in action. We see Bill sitting in his chair, twiddling his thumbs and smiling as if he just swallowed a canary. Bill must be thinking that he pulled a fast one over on Jim, but believe me Bill, the only one pulling a fast one in this relationship is Jim Bakker. You are a tadpole swimming with the largest toad in the swamp, and he's been swimming in this swamp for years.

The show ends, then we get a five-minute commercial for foodbuckets.

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SusanD said...

Troll Zombie 10:27 AM

I agree plus that small generator he sells will only power small watt items, that's why he has them sing "Light in the corner" On the live taping they said it will power a washer or refrig for a a hour day to keep your food from going bad...the part they edited out later was the wash and refrig can't be a fancy one lol.

Today Jim said on the live taping he is now coming out with breakfast buckets to sell Ugh... Then told them to que background music...so he could beg for money

Anonymous said...

Ron. I am a former media executive, now retired (and, no I am not making this up). I am also a follower of Christ, though I am reluctant to call myself a "Christian" in the current American culture because that identifies me with people like Jim Bakker and the right-wing madness of our time.

You are getting INCREDIBLE action on this blog.

Have you ever thought about parlaying this into a source of income for you? You wouldn't need to change the name or the main focus, but you would need to expand it to all crooked TV evangelists.
For example, I read yesterday that the infamous Joyce Meyers (sp?) has a personal jet worth $36 million.

Ron, you have such wit, intelligence, creativity and passion. Maybe you could help in the effort to bring some of these crooks down if you earned income for a website/blog with paid advertising.

Of course, maybe you have no interest in that. But if you do, I would seek out a good website media consultant to see what kind of potential may be.

Long may you run. Oh, and keep on rockin' in the free world :)

SusanD said...

Omg just when I thought I had seen it all on the live taping Jim did live healing.... I see someone out there with arthritis …..I see someone out there with headaches……..I see someone out there with headaches….lolol I hope they don’t edit this one

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Jim Bakker "Four Star" Shoe Lifts

The Jim Bakker "love gift" shoe lifts for men are discreet in nature and will not cause embarrassment as wearing big clogs. No questions of what you are wearing. Different sizes are available.

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Kool-Aid Kid said...

Shadow said...
We call Uncle Henry: The watchdog.

dancing bear said...
Anybody called "Uncle" just has to be telling the truth, like Uncle Sam.

Okay you two, now I know. lol

Does the watchdog bite or can I befriend it with some carrot Dino cake.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Anon@1107am

You have plenty of ideas (and, no I am not making this up ) . Do you think there is any money for a Jim Bakker fake student / Jim Bakker prophet to make out there on the web? His name is Zach Drew. Okay, he's fat and uses hair thickener but surely to god he can make money at something.

Hey, do you think he can make money with this youtube clip? What do you think?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpdCcaFOuH0&feature=related

I went ahead and picked a title for the clip. I called it " Can You Guess This Jim Bakker Prophet's IQ?"

Uncle Henry said...

Kool Aid Kid dont besmerch my good name and reputation. I dont like carrot cake and would only contact Dino if I needed a new anchor for my boat!

third seat down from table 3 said...

Don't worry about Zach. He's doing very well, thank you very much. Only in America, can a former nobody rise to such prominence in a relatively short period of time. I know zach has maintained a level head during this and is the same good, humble Joe he always was. Congratulations big guy! Glad to see that sometimes good things happen to good people.

Anonymous said...

Thanks KaK, I turned into the GenNow on Youtube. Did not even know they existed till you let me know. I especially like James Chapman's presentation, he's sincere and out there to help his generation. I was feeling kind of blue till you clued me in, gonna spread the word. The Lord trully works in mysterious ways! Again, thanks!!

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Uncle Henry:

LOL. Good old "uncle". Okay.

third seat down from table 3 "and waiting for Bakker's show to get taped because I have to pee badly"@135pm

Worry? I laugh at the goofy prank caller! yes, and his head is getting more "leveler" as time goes by! lol

Anon "Hey I'm new to sooooo much" @157pm

No, Jim "moronside god" Bakker works in froggy ways. Again, thanks for commenting.

Anonymous said...

Watched Zach on the show today and he still is a nobody. Zach is not a level head, his head is as big as his butt! He really thinks he's a preacher and a prophet, ugg it's all so fake! He's risen to prominence, ha, ha zombies you really do think that fake show has made the big time. It is only big in your small brains! There is no good people in this fake ministry zombie!

James Chapman, how can we forget his favorite quote..."Well he has giveing over 1million $ to girls in Moldova to help girls who are sex trafficked.....what have you done? lololololol

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Anon "I always do things wrong"@157pm

Silly Bakker zombie! lol (you can't take them anywhere ... so sad)

This is the youtube video I want you to guess the Bakker prophet's IQ! Come on! lol

videohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpdCcaFOuH0&feature=related

I never mentioned anything about a MoronNow video you silly zombie.

Will never watch another Zach show. said...

The only video I ever saw was the one where Zach was all pissed off. It had something to do with people not unloading the van quick enough. Nolan was all nervous and stressed out because Zach was mad. It was like Nolan was going to get a beating by Zach, he was so scared.
Nolan kept pleading to anyone within ear range not to piss Zach off, you could see the terror in Nolan's eyes. Zach came across as a big bully and spoiled brat.

Anonymous said...

Maybe Joe C. figures Bakker's money is just as good as anybody elses. He's Right!!

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Anon@453pm

Hey Zombie!

Maybe Jim Bakker figures using God to make money is good. He's Wrong!! The money he makes is cursed!

Anonymous said...

Joe C. for Mayor.


Please send contributions to Joe C. for Mayor Fund>

Zack Drew, Treasurer

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Anon@500pm For Mayor

Please send contributions to Anon@500pm for Moronside Zombie Fund

Jim Bakker, Treasurer

Anonymous said...

Joe C. is quite well off expecially after his meeting with Jimbo. He doesnt need any contributions.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Jim Bakker is quite well off especially after claiming to make hardly any money. He really needs more and more contributions.

lol

(a jim bakker fake moronside student must have some free time tonight ... lol)

Truthseeker said...

Jim says he was on a 5 year sabbatical..aka jail!

Then he says that money is the root of all evil... so that's why he is surronded by so much warfare against him!

Jessica said...

October 9, 1989 New York Times

A jury in North Carolina found that Mr. Bakker defrauded his followers and diverted more than $3 million to finance his opulent personal life. The 24 counts on which he was convicted carried a sentence of zero to five years. The judge could have given him 120 years, or zero.

Those of us who do have a religion are sick of beings saps for money-grubbing preachers and priests. That's how U.S. District Judge Robert Potter prefaced his startling 45-year prison sentence for Jim Bakker, the TV preacher who turned out to be a confidence man.

In the Bakker case, aggravating factors - the fraud involved careful planning, was aimed at more than one victim and was perpetrated in the name of a religious organization.

Zombies will reply and say "old news, not relevant". Bakker a changed man. Really?

SusanD said...

Today’s live taping Jim was doing his impression a cross between Benny Hinn and Miss Sherri from romper room. Looking out to the camera I see someone out there that has arthritis, I see someone that has ulcers, I see someone with bad hips lol since his followers are mostly old people gee what a surprise someone might have those diseases…..he then said he would heal them. He then goes out to the audience saying someone here has bad knees a women raised her hands, he told her husband to touch his wife’s knees then Jim touches the guys back ….it was awkward, and forced. Then Jim said Tammy Sue came there to get her teeth fixed so Daddy could pay for it, he said poor Tammy Sue has had nothing done to her teeth for years lolol Jimbo was all over the place today,

Anonymous said...

Kool-Aid Kid. I do not know why you had to make a mockery out of my post in which I suggested to Ron that maybe he might want to look into making a little bit of income from all of his hard work on this blog and also expand it to cover many of the other TV preacher crooks in "Christian" TV.

It seems that you enjoy mocking anti-Bakker posters as much as pro-Bakker posters.

Are you into some kind of a self-gratification trip where you are completely enamored with your own sarcastic jibes - many of which are really not terribly amusing?

You don't seem to be able to make the distinction between the good guys/gals and the bad guys/gals.

Orlando Sentinel 4-26-87 said...

More Sex, Sins From The Ptl? Bakker's Rival Charges Swapping, Homosexuality

April 26, 1987|By United Press International

FORT MILL, S.C. — A rival television evangelist says fallen PTL leader Jim Bakker still has unrepented sins -- such as frequenting prostitutes and homosexuals and letting his subordinates swap wives.

John Ankerberg, one of the three evangelists whose accusations led to Bakker's downfall, made the new charges Friday night in an interview with Cable News Network talk-show host Larry King.

Ankerberg, who preaches out of Chattanooga, Tenn., said he decided to tell all because Bakker has not repented of all his sins.

''The Christian public has been swell in forgiving Jim Bakker of the adultery,'' Ankerberg said. ''But that was only part of the evidence against him and he has not confessed or repented of the other things.''

He complained that TV evangelists are suffering from the fallout of the Bakker scandal.

''Jerry Falwell told me this has hurt him very much. He told me it has cost him $2 million in lost donations just in the last month,'' Ankerberg said.

''Billy Graham's popularity is the lowest ever -- and he hasn't done anything.''

Ankerberg said Bakker condoned a number of sins among members of the PTL family, including lying, drinking and swapping wives.

Requests Friday night and Saturday for a response from PTL officials and Bakker went unanswered.

Mark DeMoss, a spokesman for Jerry Falwell, said the Moral Majority leader will have no comment until Tuesday, when he holds his news conference at PTL following a meeting of its board.

''I don't believe John Ankerberg said anything that he could not back up with tapes or documents or witnesses,'' DeMoss said.

Ankerberg said the allegations against Bakker, who resigned from the PTL over a sexual encounter with church secretary Jessica Hahn, were based on staff interviews, copies of letters written to PTL officials and interviews with a prostitute.

''The evidence is clear that Jim, according to the people I have talked with, did participate with prostitutes. We have one prostitute who serviced him on three separate occasions,'' Ankerberg said.

''And the sad thing is, she knew it was Jim Bakker,'' he added. ''She had seen him on television.''

Ankerberg said he was told Bakker had homosexual relationships ''from 1978 right up to the present.''

''There were rumors of homosexual episodes involving Jim Bakker and there were people who were there who said they witnessed homosexuality on his part,'' Ankerberg said.

Ankerberg refused to identify the sources of his allegations, but he said they had agreed to come forward if Bakker sues him over the charges.

Ankerberg charged that from 1978 to 1980 ''Jim Bakker had knowledge of wife-swapping among leaders at PTL and he did not kick them out, and the reason was some of them knew Jim was participating in immoral actions.''

Rumors still are flying around the PTL camp, Ankerberg said.

''Richard Dortch PTL president called some of the board members a few weeks ago to say 'Jim Bakker doesn't have AIDS,' '' Ankerberg said.

''That's on the record from one of the board members. The board member said, 'Why are you telling me this?' and Dortch said, 'Well you know, there's talk.' ''

Bakker's Gay Lover & His Brother (A Report) said...

Ex-aides Lived Heavenly At Ptl Expense

Taggarts Spent Fortune On Selves, Witness Says

July 8, 1989
By Knight-Ridder Newspapers

(Note: David Taggart, as most of you already know, was Jim Bakker's long-term homosexual lover and his brother James Taggart was an interior decorator who also worked for Bakker. Not mentioned in the article below is the fact that the brothers also used church credit cards to purchase a condominium at the Trump Tower in New York. Both men were convicted in July of five counts of tax evasion and conspiracy, charges that carried a maximum penalty of 25 years.)

CHARLOTTE, N.C. — David and James Taggart had expensive tastes. Friday, a federal jury in Charlotte heard how the former PTL aides spent money:

A $96,900 ring. An $85,000 platinum, sapphire and diamond pin. A $75,000 platinum, sapphire, and diamond bracelet. All from Cartier in New York.

Federal prosecutors on Friday presented the jury with invoices and other evidence detailing the luxury purchases as they attempt to prove the Taggart brothers evaded $487,000 in taxes for 1984-87 and used $1.1 million in PTL money to pay personal bills.

Other testimony Friday included a former PTL tax lawyer who said he urged in 1986 that David Taggart be fired as PTL vice president if he continued not to document his expense accounts.

The lawyer, Michael Wigton, said missing records and huge salaries paid to PTL leaders made it difficult for him to defend the ministry's tax-exempt status to the IRS.

''I felt the time had come to take a stand. If these documents couldn't be produced, they needed to take some drastic action,'' Wigton recounted.

Taggart's boss, Jim Bakker, didn't fire him. Taggart, who became Bakker's personal aide in 1980, remained one of the television ministry's most powerful executives until he was fired in April 1987, a few weeks after Bakker resigned.

James Taggart was an interior decorator whose firm was paid more than $1.2 million over three years by PTL.

Shirley Fulbright, Bakker's former secretary and the Taggarts' friend, testified the Taggarts took her on all-expense-paid trips to New York and Florida and gave her clothing, jewelry and a $4,000 fur coat.

Fulbright, who seemed reluctant to say anything damaging about her friends, gave the jury a sense of the unrestrained power David Taggart wielded.

He had authority to approve his own cash advances; he was also the person responsible for accounting for the hundreds of thousands of dollars he had received. In 1986 he authorized Fulbright to sign Bakker's name to a memo converting $45,000 in loans from PTL to Fulbright into a $45,000 after-tax bonus for herself.

Wigton, a former IRS tax law specialist, told the jury he repeatedly tried to get American Express records of David Taggart's spending.

American Express sent duplicates of the charge-card records to PTL, Wigton said, but those documents also were lost.

''It was like pulling teeth out of an alligator to get documents from everybody,'' he testified.

Troll Zombie said...

No one in Bakker's camp, including Bakker himself, should be suffering from any sort of ailment at all. Aren't they all using the miracle cure-all Silver Sol?

I was suprised Jim had such a hard time with allergies because he said on a show recently that Lori squirts Silver Sol into his nostrils. I guess it doesn't work (surprise!)

I absolutely cannot *wait* to see Jim "heal" people!!! I wonder when that episode will air? I'm on reruns of the "brighten the corner" episodes.

BTW - I love how they sing "hallelujah" after they turn something on with the generator, but they don't sing it after any preaching. Fabulous!

Also, did anyone catch Jim asking St. John about Frank Davis on one of the generator shows? Bakker was asking St. John, "would you stake your life on Frank Davis?" Creepy.

Dental Bills Aren't Cheap said...

Well, at least you can't say Tammy Sue is dishonest. She said she came to Morningside to let Daddy pay to have her teeth fixed but, what I can't understand, is how Daddy is able to afford fixing those teeth and paying for expensive dental work on a take home salary of only $400 a week. Remember he still has boarding school to pay for with Marie and he is supporting Little Ricky also and somewhere he must be buying groceries and paying for his other bills too. Amazing! Her dental bill could easily top one month's salary and possibly even two or more month's salary. Does he even have any money at all left over after all of this?

Anonymous said...

Great assessments Troll Zombie and Dentals Bills Aren't Cheap! Jim and Lori are so transparent with their lying and conning. How simple minded the Bakker supporters must be to not only buy into the lies, but even defend this man.

Reading about Jim and his excessive sexual and money exploits is astounding. Again, how can anyone claiming to be a christian stand by one so deviant?

Anonymous said...

Where's Tanya? I hear she was offered a free stay at a Morningside condo with VIP status? Is that how Bakker operates? Buy them all off. Joe C., Tanya, who's next? Maybe Kool-aid-Kid, he'd be cheap to buy off though, couple Dino cakes, autographed picture of Zach and Nolan, hot seductive picture of Granny Char.

Anonymous said...

To dental bills aren't cheap,

I won't watch the show so I am wondering if Jim and his daughter actually said that she wants her dad to take care of paying for her dental problems?

If this is true, my next question is how old is she? Why can't she pay for her own bills and expenses? How many people at her age still depend on daddy to take care of them! The Bakker clan gets crazier all the time!

You can bet daddy isn't going to use his own money to pay for her bills. Tax payers and Bakker fans will be picking up this bill also. These entitlement losers know no end to taking our money. I am sure Tammy Sue is on food stamps and every other hand out available. That's what happens to kids who are never taught to be responsible. When daddy got caught and the money went away she didn't know how to take care of herself. Someone needs to tell her to knock off the sweets, pop, wine etc. She'll lose weight and not have a mouth full of dental problems. But if you don't pay the bills for the consequences of your behavior you'll never change it. The Bakker clan seems to be incapable of learning to be responsible, honest, ethical people!

SusanD said...

Anonymous 11:18 am

No when Jim was begging for money,he then started talking about poor Tammy Sue was getting her teeth done when she came to the show, and of course Daddy will take care of it for her,adding she had nothing done on her teeth for years.

Today on the live taping one of his props went missing. Lori said omg someone stole it or should I say borrowed it.

Then they were doing his new Infomercial for the generator it took 6 people 10minutes to get it to work lolol I am sure they will do a BIG edit on it.

After the taping when the mic should have been cut Jimbo said to Lori I am so stressed.....who know maybe he knew he was still on air to make the little old Ladies feel bad for him lol

That Was ONE BAD CALLING said...

Click on the link to see who is quoted here in the local Branson paper, in 2008, and be prepared to laugh or cry--depending on your mood at the time!

____________who lives and works at Morningside, said she and her family came in June to volunteer for about eight days and decided to come back.

“We came from Connecticut to volunteer and we all realized there was a calling to be here,” she said.

Trouble In Paradise said...

The item which was stolen was the Lori's Little Lambs blanket. There are only two of them in existance right now and Bakker had given one of them to his sister or another lady as a gift. The second one was a stage prop to use for selling it (and the 2 lambs) and someone stole it. He had to ask the first lady to bring hers back so they could use it to solicit donations with on the air.

Remember the dual locks on the refrigerator/freezer? Remember someone stealing $500 from James (a money order) that he was planning on paying his rent with?

Combine all the above with the fact that Jim Bakker's very own Morningside residents voted against wanting Lori's House built by signing the infamous petition and...

it looks like there's trouble in paradise!

Craig said...

Lol trouble in paradise. And you didn't even mention the witches they have to drive off with their ram's horns. Lol. Trouble indeed.

Anonymous said...

Trouble in paradise is right! There has been a lot of theft in that place. People go into private condos when the owners aren't home etc. We all know the Susie Ruiz story. The audacity of these folks, some christians, huh!

SusanD said...

Wow never heard the story of James money order being taken.

Heard some thing strange on the live taping today Jim had 2 tents set to do his generator commercial he said James you go in one tent and Sascha you go in the others one.....than later he said it doesn't look right for James girlfriend to be in the same tent with him...ahhhh I thought no dating or is that rules for everyone but his Grandkid?????

Craig said...

Lol SusanD. Rules don't seem to apply to any of the bakker clan. morningside is their fiefdom.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Anonymous "Where is everyone ... I'm so scared!" @1109am

"Where's Tanya? I hear she was offered a free stay at a Morningside condo with VIP status?"

LOL VIP status at the frog's palace stands for "Very Ignorant People". No, Tanya is not that at all. LOL

"Is that how Bakker operates?"

You don't know how he operates? LOL Give me a break.

"Buy them all off."

Yes. Totally.

"Kool-aid-Kid, he'd be cheap to buy off though, couple Dino cakes, autographed picture of Zach and Nolan, hot seductive picture of Granny Char."

First please pass me a huge barf bag ... thanks. Also, you can have a picture of baldy all to yourself.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Anon@1118pm

Reread your previous post. Good. Now, is that how a professional deals with a personal issue with Ron?

No.

Is that how a bakker zombie would?

Yes.

such is life. said...

You folks think too highly of Morningside. It is a place inhabited by humans, with all their faults and foibles. I would say you have a sound argument if and only if Morningside were Angels only. Are there hypocrites there? Of course! There are hypocrites everywhere including Religion. You all need to think about the nature of things, cool it on the henny penny, chicken little outlook.

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Kool-Aid Kid said...

Once upon a time there was a frog looking creature named Jim. One day Jim was fake crying on tv when something fell on his head.

"Oh," cried Jim, "the sky is falling. I predicted it."

So Jim hopped and hopped, and he met Henny Penny aka "such is life".

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Only if you have no hard feelings.

:)

;)

;)

Got ya.

Anonymous said...

lol...well played KaK!

Awaiting The Sex Scandal said...

Yes there's trouble in paradise. Why, you can't even leave a ram's horn lying around without someone stealing it and sending it UPS to other hillbillys around the globe to run the witches out of their own churches!

LOL LOL LOL LOL !!!!!!

Anonymous said...

"Kool-aid Kid, I see your point."

This person who posted an "apology" at 4:21 was not me, who Mr. Kool previously opined was not being professional in an earlier post directed to Ron.

No, I DON'T see your point, Mr. Kool-aid and I think you come across in this blog as an arrogant, self-aggrandizing bore.

No, I am not a Bakker supporter as you stated. Anything but. Yes, I do believe that you do much more harm to anti-Bakker momentum than good.

Now, I am sure you will write something in response to prove how monumentally witty and crass you are.

Craig said...

@such is life. I don't care jim has a cult of followers. I want him to pay his back taxes and pay taxes on the shit he sells on his fake christian infomercials. The fraud is over the top, he is doing the same only worse than in the ptl heyday. People at morningside can't admit they are following a heretic because that would blow their world apart.
The bakker bunch, aka zombies, don't realize they are being conned. I do feel sorry for them but then they come here and vehemently defend the fake pastor.

suomynona said...

I would love to be able to go on T.V. and ask people to write million dollar checks to me, with tax exempt status to boot.

MJC Repost said...

A well written post on the local Branson forum written by MJC on 6-24-11

"If you buy into Bakker's food scam you have problems. What a scam and Bakker is the master. He uses the basic human emotions (love, fear, etc) to prey on these poor folks who don't know any better. Lori evokes sadness and sorrow with her orphanage scam while Jim uses the fear of natural disasters and end of time prophecy to scare you into buying food packets. Don't get me started on his nuclear fallout iodine tablets.

His racket is well marketed and will drain your pocketbook all in the name of the lord. If there is a hell then Bakker and his wife will bethe first to burn."

Kool-Aid Kid said...

"This person who posted an "apology" at 4:21 was not me"

really? ;)

"No, I DON'T see your point, Mr. Kool-aid and I think you come across in this blog as an arrogant, self-aggrandizing bore."

really? ;)

"No, I am not a Bakker supporter as you stated. Anything but. Yes, I do believe that you do much more harm to anti-Bakker momentum than good."

really? ;)


"Now, I am sure you will write something in response to prove how monumentally witty and crass you are. "

;)

Anonymous said...

LOL @ 4:12

Jim Bakker is the one running around like henny penny. He's the one scaring fools with his stories of storms, Yellowstone is going to blow, Armageddon movie clips, etc. Get your food buckets now, Jims cereal, silver sol, generator, iodine tablets, breakfast cereal, lori's sheep, and on and on and on!

I assure you anyone with common sense does not think highly of Morningside! It is not inhabited by christian hypocrites it's inhabited by zombie hypocrites!

Jim Bakker is "chicken little" in his platform shoes and sergeant pepper lonely hearts club band vest! lol

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Oh before you go ... a media professional would always use correct names in comments posted. It's Mr. Kool-Aid Kid not Mr. Kool-aid.

Hate to have to point that out to a "professional" media person (bakker zombie).

suomynona said...

On the show I was blessed with this evening, after jim asked for million dollar donations, Sasha said, "We want to thank you in advance for everything you've done so far."

Brother Dortch said...

I regret to say that I mistakenly tuned into the live broadcast today, 4-25-12, thinking that the focus of this show would be the special guest of the day, Tammy Sue, and boy was I ever wrong! Knowing this was only the second set of live tapings in eight years since Sue has been gone, I was shocked to view this show which was, instead, nothing but an endless ranting and raving session by Lori Graham Bakker. Simply stated, this woman does not know when to shut up. She rambled on and on and on and even her husband, who usually steps on top of her words to shut her up, lost the will to do anything about it probably due to the ultra high stress level he was complaining about.

In a statement made today, which is sure to be completely edited out and will never see the light of day, Bakker mentioned that he is under so much stress that he simply wants to go away somewhere and not come back. I believe that is exactly what I heard him say. Finally, when his wife allowed him to speak again, he proceeded to tell about how, when he got himself in trouble with PTL, “people came in to help” and then added: “help themselves to my ministry!”

Lori Bakker next got back into the act and, as usual, proceeded to stick her foot into her mouth again when Jim was talking about being incarcerated in prison and Lori immediately proceeded to interrupt him and shout out:

“for a crime he did not commit”.

This remark finally caused ole’ JimBob to smack the top of his wife’s leg with his right hand in a manner as if to say: “Shut up!”

Where is the show’s guest, Tammy Sue, this entire time? She is seated on the other side of her father, unable to get a word in edgewise, so she just sits there throughout most of this show and remains quiet.

One would think that after eight long years, Tammy Sue would certainly deserve better treatment than this. But what disturbs me the most about this on air fiasco is the fact that both Jim and his motor-mouth wife are both under the highly mistaken impression that what happened to Bakker was other people's fault. After his much publicized fall, Bakker had this to say years ago:

"I sorrowfully acknowledge that seven years ago ... I was wickedly manipulated by treacherous former friends and colleagues who victimized me with the aid of a female confederate. They conspired to betray me into a sexual encounter at a time of great stress in my marital life. ... I was set up as part of a scheme to co-opt me and obtain some advantage for themselves over me in connection with their hope for position in the ministry."

Sadly, Jim Bakker is singing the same song even today. Everything is always someone else’s fault. I am wondering who is going to be held accountable as he stands in front of the pearly gates to answer well documented charges of the use of prostitutes, homosexual behavior for what appears to be nearly ten years of his life (or possibly even more) which has never been acknowledged, as well as adultery, greed, lying, and God only knows what else. And, I have never even brought up the misuse of funds issues that will clearly stand out to define Jim Bakker’s time spent here on earth after he is gone.

I’m sure all of those issues will be someone else’s fault too.

SusanD said...

Brother Dortch 12:31,
I noticed Tammy Sue sitting there also not getting a chance to speak, that happened the first day of the live taping also. The only person that made her feel welcome was Kevin...it was all very awkward. At the end of the show Jim had Tammy Sue sing the same song twice, like he didn't want to deal with it anymore...Lori acted like she had drank some Go-Go juice and would not shut up lol

Brother Dortch said...

Thanks Susan and yes, Lori did seem exactly like she was pumped up on something she took that caused her to ramble on flapping her jaws for long periods of time. It was highly disrespectful of Tammy Sue. I did not see the show the day before so I cannot comment on it. If it was anything like yesterdays I am glad I did not see it.

Anonymous said...

I watched the show for awhile yesterday, what a waste of time it was! I don't know much about the Bakkers so I tuned in to see if Tammy Sue could sing. All I saw in the half hour I watched was Lori and Jim ranting about being victims and pushing product. They are coming out with deserts and jello. Why wouldn't people just go to the store and buy a truckload of jello if they think that's going to save them? Jello has a shelf life that's longer than Jims junk, lol! While the world is falling apart you can bake a chocolate cake on your grill! Chocolate will get those zombies to send in more of their money. Jims folks are going to have an idyllic life eating chocolate cake and bucket food in their tents while for the rest of us the world is going to come crashing in around our heads. Maybe I do need to run to them there hills! They'd be a lovely bunch out there to have Kool-Aid and chocolate cake with while the rest of the world is a burning inferno. rofl!!

Jim and Lori are a mess, why would anyone follow them! Jeez, some folks never wise up!

Brother Dortch said...

To the above poster:

If indeed you really do decide to "run to them there hills" just remember to not leave anything lying around out in the mall when you get there. In that "community of love and worship" Jim brags about, they sre stealing things like it is going out of style! I am waiting for one of those generators to disappear next.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

What the ...?

I had a Dino carrot cake sitting by my open kitchen window and now it's gone!

Darn those bakker zombies!

Troll Zombie said...

It looks like the ability to post comments on Jim Bakker's official blog has been turned off.

SusanD said...

I see the new vision of the Jim Bakker show, after seeing him do his laying on hands healing two days ago. Praying for the people watching at home to cure their illnesses. I believe he is going start doing healing revivals, since he told Kilpatrick the other day what we need is a good old revival. This show is almost like a bad soap opera script.

Tex said...

I missed yesterday's Bakker show. It was either that or an old Rawhide show on another channel. Pretty much a no brainer to go with the Rawhide program. Maybe I should of taped the Bakker saga.

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Kool-Aid Kid said...

Anon@1010am

You need a screen name.
Do you want me to pick one for you?

SusanD said...

On the live taping Jimbo was wearing his Mondo label jacket aka Sgt Pepper Jacket, I looked it up online saw it on sale for 263.00 dollars. Lol The show opened up with Jim making poor Tammy Sue show her teeth to the audience to show he fixed them for her, and asked her if she loved Lori more then she loved him…. How humiliating for Tammy Sue. He went on and on about how much Tammy Sue and Lori loved each other.

Jimbo just said God told him Sleeper cells are right here in America, building an A-bomb somewhere in the area of NY in someone’s garage. Bringing in piece at a time lolol

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Anon@1010am

I have a strong feeling you will not like the screen name I have for you and you will probably call me names again like arrogant, self-aggrandizing bore, causing more harm to anti-Bakker momentum than good, monumentally witty and crass.

Then you will sleep on it again and come back to say sorry to me here on the Bucket on a new day, with a new perspective and your senses about you.

Sincerely,
Kool-Aid Kid (not Kool-aid)

Anonymous said...

Where did Jason go? Were the questions put forth to him on this blog to hard to answer? I guess even for Jason there is no logical argument to be made for Jimbo and the con game he's playing.

Morningside sure draws the con men and perverts.

Not surprised there is a theft problem out there. Maybe one of the residence has woke up and realize how much they've been screwed by Bakker and Crawford and are just trying to get a little of their losses back! Imagine stealing from a thief, too funny!

Raised on dino cakes, said...

Joe C. is moving to Florida. The land of the big Dino Cake. Dino cake during the day and Moon pies at night.

been there done that said...

Poor Jim has not been the same since they let him out of the can. Prison will do that to a fellow. You betcha!

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Raised on dino cakes

I can't blame anyone from wanting to get away from living next to the "friendly" bakker compound. I have just a small correction to your comment. The land of the big Dino cake is Moronside. Dino cake during the day and Moon pies at night.

Anonymous said...

I've have not had a good slice of "dino" cake in years. I was going to order some but the shipping is as much as the cake. Way way too much to spend.

Anonymous said...

Mr Kool-aid Kid @11:36. Right! Guess I had that coming.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Anon@120pm, lets' each have a nice slice of my carrot Dino cake right now ... one for you (notice that I gave you a bigger slice) and one for me.
mmm ... good.
Cheers!

Anonymous said...

Dino Cake. Nothing better in the world to end conflict, heal wounds and solve problems with. Truly manna from Heaven!

Ron said...

@ Tex: LMAO, hilarious

@ Bro D and SusandD,

I find it very interesting that this is occurring on the live show. My take on this, based only on your descriptions, is that Bakker is getting phone calls from people who are looking into his whole game.

Consider the following recent Bakker actions:
1) Laying hands on people and doing faith healings over the air:
An attempt to appear more like a religious ministry.

2) Bakker is stressed to the point of breaking:
Why? I don't imagine Lori's House would stress him out like that. It's a pet project used to get money, simply relocating it isn't that big a deal for him. This is, of course, if he's really stressed and not just trying to milk sympathy from his zombies.

3) According to comments over the past couple days, Bakker was asking for million dollar donations:
Bakker has to pay the bills one way or another. If the heat has been turned up enough for him to have to steer clear of product sales for awhile, simply asking for the money might do.

Or of course, he might just be giving it a shot to see what happens.

I could certainly be wrong on this, especially since I haven't seen the shows myself and am just tying comments together. But man oh man, it would be nice if there's some truth to this.

Keep complaining guys and gals. If you're spending the time watching the show, just keep a log of everything you see which may raise eyebrows, then report it to the Trinity Foundation, MO Attorney General, the FTC or the IRS.

Also, I've added a new link to help you submit an Investigative Story Idea to MSNBC.

I just got over the flu, my back is improving, and I'm off work on Friday. Should finally get a crack at starting a new blog post ;)

suomynona said...

On the show playing in my area today, Jim said, "Why would anybody want to stop Lori's House. Why? It's a beautiful place, it's quiet, it's in a meadow. It's probably a mile from anybody's house, almost."

Really Jim,it's probably a mile from anybody's house. You are lying on the air Jim.

Anonymous said...

Ron,
I second what "Long May You Run" proposed about your potential and talent for exposing all the tax-exempt evangalists. Why should they not have to pay taxes? Even Jesus said Render unto Caesar waht is Caesar's and unto God the things that are God's. Hope you feel lots better soon. Looking forward to your next exemplary blog on frog.

"Not4Prophet"

I wonder about some of those kids. said...

I tell you one thing! If I was going to rent one of them condos in Morningside, I'd sure as hell check the bathroom and bedroom for those little cameras they sell now a days! I'm not about to rent a condo there, I'm just saying if I was going to. Just saying (wink!)

suomynona said...

I think it is inappropriate for bakker to be on the air talking about the stress in his life. It actually makes me sick to my stomach.

Sit back for one minute Jim and think about how much stress you caused so many people, how much destruction you caused in people's lives because of you actions. Man up Jim and quit blaming everybody else.

Then, and only then will I give credence to your pathetic whining.

SusanD said...

Ron,
I think he has gotten complaints he use to call his generator, the solar generator, now it’s called an emergency generator.

I do think this summer he will have a big Healing Revival at Morningside….that way he can get more idiots to go there guilt people into buy his junk, and rent out his RV spaces, camping and Condos.

During the laying of the hands I forgot to mention this before…..Jim eyed a women with really nice jewelery, had an expensive outfit on. He touched her hands then said God is telling me you want to do something really nice for this ministry…….she said nothing it was so awkward it made me tense. Lololol

Everyday Jim is rambling on about his enemy’s judging him, and how God will judge them. Lori says those people will go to hell. lolol

carny said...

If I was a woman and laid/shook hands with Bakker I sure as hell would check my rings, watches or bracelets. Jim might have got his PHd in something other then Bible study while in the joint.

SusanD said...

carny lol

Anonymous said...

Gonna phone in for a pizza. Wonder if Kool-aid is working the pizza production tonight. Likes to talk about baking cakes but does not know beans about pizza making. Oh well!

Anonymous said...

Joe C. like the song says...Go on take the money and run! Hope you enjoy retirement in Florida!

How sad that Jimbo had to bribe his daughter to come back to see him by offering to fix her choppers! Since she has no income or husband she had no choice but to return for a handout.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Anon@437pm

Nope, too busy having cake with you ... I mean Anon@120pm.
lol

Anonymous said...

"Mr Kool-aid Kid @11:36. Right! Guess I had that coming."

This is bizarre. This is the second time someone has pretended to be me, the guy who originally suggested to Ron that he look into any possibilities for expanding his scope. By the way, K-A-K, if you think I suggested that for some personal gain, you are absolutely mistaken.

I am a old man who is physically disabled and in failing health. I have been at the point of death at times during the past year. YES, I used to be a professional media executive before health problems put me on the sidelines.

My original point, that you found offensive for some reason that is beyond my comprehension K-A-K, was that I felt that Ron is very talented and brilliant and perhaps a professional web media consultant (NOT ME) could help him to be compensated for the good work that he does.

I cannot for any reason see why you found that offensive, K-A-K. I don't get the impression that anyone else did.

Now, I am leaving this comment section for good. Anything that is posted representing me will NOT be something I have written. It will be someone pretending to me again as they have done twice previously.

I really appreciate the intelligence and perceptivity of many people who post here regular, especially "Brother Dortch."

I'm outta here. Keep on keepin' on, Ron. You are a brilliant young man and I am sure great things are ahead for you. I look forward to reading your pages as you are able to post them, but I am afraid this comments section is too treacherous for me.

Brother Dortch said...

What is a "Presidential Scholar?" Here is some information about exactly what a "Presidential Scholar" is and the reputation these distinguised men and women have earned:

Association with the Presidential Scholars program lasts far beyond the medallion ceremony in Washington, D.C. It is a lifelong honor that combines ongoing friendships built during National Recognition Week with a supportive alumni community that stretches across over 40 classes of scholars throughout the nation and the world.

Presidential Scholars have become CEOs, professors, artists, stage & screen stars, leading medical doctors, world-renowned scientists, award-winning journalists, successful attorneys, and community leaders. Scholars have written hundreds of books and been granted countless patents. Our alumni have also been honored with fellowships, awards, and prizes such as the Pulitzer Prize, Rhodes Scholarship, Marshall Scholarship, and Fulbright grant.

Below, find a sampling of profiles of some of our distinguished alumni.

Charles E. Shepard - 1972 Scholar
The Presidential Scholars program seeks out and rewards academic rigor, and journalist Charles Shepard was honored for this as Connecticut's Scholar in 1972. As a reporter for The Charlotte Observer, Shepard tirelessly investigated and reported on televangelist Jim Bakker's misuse of funds and deceptive practices, even as the PTL television ministry sought to discredit his work and pressure his newspaper to remain silent. As a result of Shepard's reporting, Bakker and three associates were imprisoned for fraud, and in 1988 the Observer was awarded the Pulitzer Prize for Meritorious Public Service. The next year Shepard published "Forgiven: The Rise and Fall of Jim Bakker and the PTL Ministry," a biography of Bakker.

Tanya said...

No, April 25 anonymous @ 11:09am, I was not "bought off" with a VIP stay at Morningside.

Yes, April 23 ????? @ 5:25pm, I did stop reading and commenting due to mounting frustration. (thank you for your kind post)

I was frustrated with: the host of anonymous comments that make it difficult to track who is saying what (including the screen names that show up once or twice before disappearing into the ether), the anonymous posters who personally attack the identifiable anti-Bakker posters (made easy by the fact that we are identifiable and accountable for what we write), the adamant claims that certain questions have been answered when a review of the comments proves they have not been answered at all, the diversionary tactics (anything to get the topic off of Jim Bakker), and the creation of "facts."

Now I've read all the comments, and what do I find?

More of the same.

Let's look at the diversionary tactics. Simply accusing Joe C. of being paid off by Jim Bakker is not enough - somehow, over the course of a few days, it has evolved into a "fact" that Joe C. did accept a payoff, and is moving to Florida. It has become such a concrete "fact" that one poster said "if what Uncle Henry says is correct" that "every man has his price," and another poster told Joe C. to enjoy retirement in Florida.

Its not enough to make baseless accusations, now we have baseless "facts." Ludicrous. Its especially ridiculous since the issue was closed, as in stick-a-fork-in-it-its-done closed, before I took my break - but the Bakker-supporters can't let it go, its too valuable as a diversion.

Anonymous April 26 @ 10:06pm wrote that someone posted twice and pretended to be him - well, nothing new there.

All the questions about Jim Bakker that have been raised in these comments continue to go unaddressed by the Bakker-supporters - business as usual.

And, Jason Wert remains absent, as many of us predicted he would. Interesting timing there, he left right around the time when he started asking for money on the Jim Bakker website. I took a look at Jason's personal blog a few days ago, and he wrote about the "spiritual warfare" going on at his place of employment - no mention that the "warfare" is possible because Jim Bakker did not follow the law. Looks like Jason has consumed the Kool-Aid, as the saying goes.

(and P.S. - thank you K.A.K. for your supportive post while I was absent from these comments)

Brother Dortch said...

Re: "Forgiven: The Rise and Fall of Jim Bakker and the PTL Ministry,"

For those who have your copies of this award winning publication handy, I wish to direct you to page 324 of this voluminous 649 page book. Please note that my copy is the “New and Updated” edition. Beginning with line one on page 324, Author/Presidential Scholar, Charles E. Shepard, proceeds to tell what is one of the most disgusting stories associated with any TV Evangelist and so-called “Pastor” I have ever heard. Mr. Shepard is describing actions occurring in The Presidential Suite of The Heritage Grand Hotel at Bakker’s “Heritage USA” in Fort Mill, SC. Accompanying Bakker, at this time, is his top aide, David Taggart. This book, which has the words “Winner of the 1988 Pulitzer Prize” printed right on the face of the front cover, describes the events in Bakker’s Presidential Suite as follows:

“…One day in the summer of 1985, a Bakker aide discovered Bakker and Taggart together in Bakker’s bedroom in his presidential suite at the Heritage Grand. Bakker was lying on the bed, nude. Taggart, fully dressed, was massaging Bakker’s testicles. The sight made the aide sick to his stomach…”

Let us fast forward to the present day. On Jim Bakker’s very last live television broadcast, taped on Thursday, April 26, 2012, Bakker proceeded to preach, at the top of his lungs while walking through screaming to his audience, the necessity of repentance when attempting to live life as a Christian. He even said that you can teach one to pray, but unless you repent, the prayers are useless.

With this lesson in being a good Christian in mind, I bequeath any Bakker supporter, including Mr. Bakker, himself, to point me in the direction of so much as one published work in which Jim Bakker has even admitted being a homosexual—much less repenting for homosexual conduct in his life. If Jim Bakker honestly and truly believes what he preached on his last broadcast, where is the repentance? Or, could it possibly be that repenting for one’s sins simply sounds good in a sermon but does not actually apply to Jim Bakker?

Once again, to be very clear, I am requesting Mr. Jim Bakker or anyone supporting him to show both myself, as well as the many thousands of people who read this blog daily, to produce one published literary work in which Jim Bakker has both:

a) Admitted to being a homosexual male and

b) Has repented of his sins by saying he is no longer a homosexual male

I could not be more in agreement with what Mr. Bakker preached on his TV show today, which was taped at his studios on Grace Street at Morningside. Repentance is a very important and vital part of being a Christian and living a moral and clean Christian life before The Lord.

Now, will just one of you out there answer my questions so I am able to see for myself how repentance for the sins of homosexuality have been addressed by this self-called “Man of the Cloth” who, just hours ago, was also using the public’s airwaves to solicit a one-million dollar cash donation.

We Love You Tanya said...

Tanya,

I would like to caution you against trying to offer a Rembrandt to someone who only wants a $4.95 Walmart print on their wall. Diversionary tactics are the norm with brainwashed cultists and don’t let that disturb you. How many questions have I asked of the Bakker followers only to receive no answer at all? How about Ron and all the rest of the intelligent writers? At the end of the day you must be true only to you. Just because you out-class a fool is certainly nothing to be ashamed of. In fact, that is a good thing, a very good thing!

In the future, simply offer what your heart and soul let’s you offer and those of sound mind will appreciate it. The true benefits of this blog, especially to the youth, will take years to be fully appreciated.

Everyone has missed you and I, for one, am glad you are back. Thanks for all you do!

Sincerely,

Brother D.

Anonymous said...

To Brother Dortch:

Did one of the Bakker supporters claim on this blog that Charlet Wintercorn was one of the star students of Jim's fake school because she had moved on to bigger things in broadcasting? That Charlet is now enrolled in Cosmetology School. Nothing wrong with Cosmetology School or Charlet. So glad to know some of the students are moving on and realizing that they need to go to a real school to get a real job. I wish her the best!

Brother Dortch said...

Yes indeed! One of the misguided Bakker "students" offered up Charlet Wintercorn as an example of one who had used her "diploma" (?) and experience at the fake college to secure a job in media. I knew this was wrong but it was, once again, the work of a brainwashed cultist.

I wish Charlet only the best and I feel sorry for her that she was forced out of the compound for the crime of dating Grandson James and Lori and Jim not liking that fact.

So far, the wonderful vocational school's job placement figures remain at 0.0%. That's ZERO JOBS for 100% of all students graduated. If this was a secular academy making the false claims Jim does, and not a church sponsored workshop, Jim Bakker would be back in prison right now for fraud.

Anonymous said...

To Brother Dortch,

Another sad fact about Jims fake school is the kids don't grow in their faith, they regress. I know one of the past students personally, when he left the program he told me he had gone backwards in his spiritual walk as a result of being in that program.

From the behavior of the Bakker supporters here on this blog, and the things we hear about that place, I have to believe Morningside is devoid of anything Godly!

Brother Dortch said...

I always try to cut the “students” some slack because they are at a very impressionable age in their lives which only comes from being around 18 years of age. That is perfectly normal. Anyone over age 40 remembers The Alice Cooper Band and one of their biggest hit records called “I’m 18”. Remember that song? In it, Alice Cooper sings:

“I’m 18, I get confused every day. I’m 18, I just don’t know what I want…I’m a boy, yet I’m a man, I’m 18…and I like it!”

They are boys, yet they are men, and for whatever reason, they have elected to hang their hat on the false hopes and promises of a convicted felon/con artist who is used to promising people the moon and stars and, draining their bank accounts instead. To say the very least, Mr. Bakker operates under "shady" circumstances.

One of the “students” who a lot of people thought was the most brainwashed was Trystan and, one day, Trystan said “That’s it” and left the compound and moved on with her life. She is a wonderful Christian young woman and is doing remarkable things within her church’s youth ministry and she did not let the negative things about living at the compound affect her entire life. I am actually quite proud of her.

I don’t recommend any student attend the fake college at all but, if they do, I recommend getting the hell out of there after the one year minimum and taking charge of their own lives. Life will only begin for these kids after they start living in the real world and I would not want any child of mine depending on Jim Bakker and his “school of broken dreams” for anything.

I’m sure if you ever find out who stole one of only two “Lori’s Little Lambs” blankets in existence, right off the set of Jim’s show, you will find that individual has some issues with either the fake school or living or working at Morningside, or both, as well.

Yes, there is trouble in paradise, but my advice to the kids is to grow up and take full responsibility for your own actions and when you are offered something which sounds too good to be true, usually that is exactly what you are going to get. When you are offered a chance to attend a "college" and then find out that the "college" employs not so much as even one college professor, that out to be a "wake up call" for you right there!

SusanD said...

Tanya,
Glad to see you back. I read Mr. Wert's blog "spiritual warfare" I really wasn't surprised that he has drunk the Bakker Kool-aid.

Yesterday on the live taping Jim was gloating that he since he couldn't build Lori's House at it original site, so just he moved the location to the township of Blue Eye, since they like what he does. Nothing Bakker did in the past or now like Brother D stated does Jimbo take accountability for.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Hold on "Anon@1006pm"!
Before you leave the Bucket forever and ever I want you to do something. Now since you're an old media guy (so was is uncle) I want you to answer something. Okay? Good.
What do you think is the IQ of Jim Bakker's prophet in training Zach Drew featured in a youtube that he(and Jim Bakker too) must be proud of.
Here it is. Thanks Mr. Media guy.

videohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpdCcaFOuH0&feature=related

Jest saying said...

Tanya's Back! I think from now on, everything is going to be OK.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

"Jest saying" is back! I think from now on everything is going to be OKAY.

Anonymous said...
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Brother Dortch said...

Did any one of you happen to hear Jim say that the girls who attend the fake school have been seperated from the boys for too long?

Remember that the boys live in the tabernacle and the girls live in condo rental units on Grace Street.

Bakker now says that Lori's House is going to have a third floor and he is thinking very seriously of making that third floor a dorm for female students of the "college". He also said that these student girls would do well to live at Lori's House so they could all be friends with the pregnant girls.

My question is this:

Does anybody see a disparity in asking for money, while fake crying with Flip Cameron, to build Lori's House, and then getting the money and then switching 1/3 of the house into a female student dorm?

If you consider the entire third floor will be a student dorm, and that the house will also house non-pregnant "post abortive women" (I am assuming on the second floor) doesn't all of this newly released information sound like fraud? Why wasn't this information openly stated at the time of the raising of funds? With all these non- pregnant women Bakker now wants to move into Lori's House, I hope there's some room left for the pregnant ones!

Kool-Aid Kid said...

bye or Bye? I think you should have used Bye at the closing of your comment. A media guy would have caught that just like you caught my spelling errors.

Sorry I could not resist. lol

Bye zombie!

Be sure to write me. ;(

SusanD said...

Brother Dortch 8:55 am
I hear Jim talk about the boys, and girls separated too.

I am guessing Jim didn't mention making the 3rd floor of Lori's House into a student dorm during fund raising...Is because he never tells the truth about anything lolol

Anonymous said...

KaK--- R-E-S-P-E-C-T




Learn some, earn some!

Brother Dortch said...

When Lori's House finally gets built, it is going to be subjected to 24 hour a day, 7 days per week, unannounced inspections from the state and/or federal government. With the name "Jim Bakker" associated with the place, hopefully, these surprise inspections will occur at double the normal rate -vs- the amount they normally would occur if the home were being run by a non ex con. There will be no way the government, in my opinion, will condone the entire third floor of the place for use as a student dorm for the girls of the fake college.

These young girls will have a totally different lifestyle than the pregnant girls and I do not think the two are going to mix. The student girls will be up much later at night, constantly have the TV and/or music playing, have a lot of friend traffic in and out of their rooms, will be constantly talking on their cell phones, and could possibly disturb the medical personnel as well as the normal peacefullness of the group home for pregnant women.

What do I think is behind all of this? You'll never believe this, but it is money! The group home will have X number of beds. The more Bakker fills those beds with non pregnant women, the cheaper the house becomes to operate.

Oh Jim, you sly devil you! Raising money for a group home for pregnant women and then taking that money and using it for a student dorm for the females! The place is turning out to be a fraud and it is not even built yet.

Old Grandma said...

Jim Bakker is concerned about helping people. That's what this Lori's house is all about. To think that Joe C. wanted to wipe out Jim's vision is shameful. Just because it woke him up early. If Joe C. does move to Florida, I don't want to hear any complaining about Airports or planes waking him up.

Craig said...

Lori's hoax will not end up and being a home for pregnant women. There are going to be too many roadblocks for jim to overcome. He will blame it on evil people out to persecute him. It will end up being a dorm for the fake students (as truly intended ). He has to get those "scholarship" kids out of those condos so they can be sold. Sell a lie to generate some cash flow, nothing new for faker bakker.

Anonymous said...

The picture of the Hobo in the train yard (see Ron's blog above) is actually Joe C. on his way to Florida. The result of what happens to folks who take on Pastor Jim.

Craig said...

Funny 2:05.
I'm sure that's a picture of a morningside zombie after jim goes back to jail and the IRS has seized the compound and booted the zombie.

Cindy B. said...

To the hateful Bakker poster,
You are an embarrassment not only to yourself but to the Morningside community of what is supposed to be spirit filled Christians you represent.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Yes Craig, that's a moronside zombie alright! lol

Anonymous said...

Old Grandma @ 1:36,

You said it well "Joe C wanted to wipe out JIMS vision." Do any of you supporting Jim ask "what's GOD"S vision?" That is the problem Jim has all these ideas for making money and God is not in the details! I think it's God shutting this stuff down, not the devil as Jim, Lori, and their followers want to believe. I also think it's not to long before God sends in the authorities to shut Jim down for good. God does use man to meet out justice. The Lord knows there have been many victims of Jim's schemes to make money and collect worldly goods again. Revenge is mine saith the Lord and I will repay.

If Jim was a good neighbor he would be concerned about how the noise is affecting his neighbors. Joe C moved way out to no mans land for peace and privacy. Jim comes in with his worldly schemes to build another heritage like village and everyone else is suppose to adjust! That is the epitome of selfishness!

Jim has never cared about helping people out, all he cares about is helping himself to their money! Grandma you really need someone looking out for you and it shouldn't be a wolf in sheep's clothing, or a slithering snake, both are apt descriptions of Jim and Lori!

Anonymous said...

To Anonymous @ 2:05,

When you con people out of their money, tell lie after lie, don't pay your taxes, and all the other unethical things Jim does, look out! What's happening to Jim is what happens to people who to take on God. Have you forgotten that God watches out for His children! Jim is saying he's close to another total mental breakdown and I wouldn't be surprised if it happens. When I think of Jim and what he is doing I am reminded of Balaam and the talking donkey. I'd suggest reading Numbers 22. You can't bring shame to God and curse His people and be blessed. Just a warning to all you Bakker supporters who claim to be christians but curse instead!

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Old Grandma,

You say "Jim Bakker is concerned" when it should really be "Jim Bakker is a concern".

Run Grandma ... run as fast as your legs can carry you right out of that cult compound.

Ron said...

To the Anonymous poster who gave such a welcome compliment to me and suggested I speak with a Web Marketing pro, I forgot to tell you thanks!!!

The posts that were written as 'you' have been removed, as best as I could identify them. However I will tell you that they're a little difficult for me to find since there's no username attached. No problem, people are free to post anonymously if they feel more comfortable doing so. But as Tanya has suggested, it would make it easier to follow the conversation (and for me to find fraudulent posts) if a name was chosen.

I have some other creative things I'm interested in pursuing that don't involve televangelists like Bakker. As much as Bakker worshipers like to paint me as some angry recluse who lives in his mother's basement and throws darts at Jim Bakker every day, that's actually very far from the truth. I'm just a guy that likes to call out liars and phonies, whether they be televangelists like Bakker, politicians, or others of their ilk.

I stress the words 'like Bakker' because I'm not interested in calling out all televangelists. Jimmy Swaggart is on tv, but he's not trying to scare me into buying his garbage products. He just preaches and offers tapes or bibles for what really is a 'love gift'. I see no harm in that.

Anyways, thank you very much for your compliment! I hope you'll come back and choose a username, that way I'll be able to keep people from spoofing you! Take care!

Anonymous said...

Bless you Ron and keep on keepin' on!

Bro Dortch, please refrain from using any Charles Shepard references in the future.

Tanya, Joe C. made his decision to give up and take the money and run to Florida so let it go.

Jason Wert please come back and express your feelings!

Brother Dortch said...

Hi Grandma!

I wish you no harm or ill will but I would like to suggest to you that if you would have been the one who walked in on Jimbo having his testicles massaged by another man it would have made you sick to your stomach too.

Please don't blame Joe C for everything that is wrong in your life. After all, it was Jim who went on TV and stated that the nearest neighbor was probably a mile away and that was a total and complete lie. If Joe C were to stand on his property and throw a stone, it would land right in the middle of where the original Lori's House was scheduled to be. That doesn't sound like a mile away to me. Does it to you? Calm down there lady and seriously consider relocating yourself to Florida--as far away from that con artist you are defending as humanly possible. And, one more thing, in the event you are still married to that Old Grandpa, tell him to be extremely careful should he ever find himself in a closed room with Jim Bakker alone. That is where I would be concentrating my efforts at this point as opposed to coming to an anti-Bakker blog and making a complete and total fool of yourself!

Take care Sweetie!

P.S.--I support Joe C for Mayor!

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Nicely put Bro D.

Brother Dortch said...

Thank-you Kool-Aid,

Oh, and by the way...

That wasn't you who stole the "Lori's Little Lambs" blanket, was it?

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Hell no Bro D!
Hell no.

Thanks for the big laugh!

Anonymous said...

Why pick on Joe C? He did not take a vow to be loyal to anyone. He is free to do whatever is in his best possible interest, like all of us. As far as I see it, Joe C. owes nothing to anyone, especially the malcontents and envious here. I just don't get what the big deal is? Bakker didn't pay him off, Joe C. in reality, was not that big a threat. He is just a humble soul trying to get along.

Kool-Aid-Kid said...

I heart jim

Brother Dortch said...

I heart jim too

Craig said...

I too heart jim

Joe C Blue eye, Missouri said...

Me too.

Satan said...

What should I get for dinner? KFC or Gilbert's?

suomynona said...

Count me in.

Grandma Maxine said...

Go to KFC and get a Dino cake for dessert since Gilberti's was shut down by the health department.

Joe C. take the payola you received and go South old man!

suomynona said...

It does not take a rocket scientist to see that the vast majority of bakkers show is full of fraud.

How is it able to go on?

What am I missing?

Craig said...

Okay, that was me posting under Kool Aid Kid and Brother Dortch. Just wanted to prove a point that anyone can hijack their screen names. I don't nor do they heart jim. I'm sure even after Ron gave his warning that the impostors are still here. So readers be aware of that fact.

Grandma Maxine said...

Craig your a naughty boy to steal someone elses name...you imposter!

Kool-Aid Kid said...

KFC for sure. No question about it! Dino cake for dessert.

Craig said...

Ahhh but Granny Max, I fessed up. I don't see the zombies or the internet trolls admitting that. I'm not even sure your the real granny. Lol.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Bakker had a Lori Little Lamb,
It's fleece was white as snow.
Everywhere that Bakker went,
The Lori Little Lamb was sure to go.
He took it to the tv show one day,
And broke the moronside rules.
So when the show was done he had a look,
Only to find that the Lori Little Lamb was "took"!

007x said...

Hey--Theres a Facebook Page for Morningside condo rentals. It has lots of pics. In several pics there is a Cadillac SUV. Is that the SUV Lori was given? If so, a Kia SUV would have freed up $ for her house.
Again I dont know if it is her SUV but someone mentioned one earlier

007x said...

Did i read correctly that people living AT Morningside signed AGAINST building Lori's House?

Tanya said...

Thank you, Brother Dortch, for your post. I was aware that my own comments were beginning to reflect my aggravation, and that is helpful to no-one. Thank you also to SusanD.

@ 3:15pm anonymous: interesting that you told me to let the topic of Joe C. go, when you are the one who brought it up yet again. I said the issue was closed some time ago (which it was), and *you* brought it up again. Just for the record, just so you are fully aware of what you did at 3:15pm: you wrote it was fact that Joe C. "gave up," accepted a monetary bribe from Jim Bakker, and moved to Florida. You presented this as "fact" with zero evidence. There is a difference between hypothesizing something, making a serious allegation (which accepting bribes is), and presenting information as "fact" when there has been no supporting evidence. Its an ethical issue, if you can't figure out where the problem lies, no-one will be able to explain it to you - your understanding depends on your own moral code. You either have a developed moral code and understand what I am saying, or you do not, and you do not understand. On that note, on my end, I will close discussions about Joe C. I will not respond to any further claims, allegations, or accusations about Joe C.

Tanya said...

I'm behind on the TV shows - there were re-runs in my area, plus my break, so the most recent new show I saw was the one where Jim focused entirely on his "school," and the need for lots and lots of money.

Asking for a cheque for one million dollars, which I know has already been discussed, was laughable. Jim Bakker wanted someone to "catch the vision" of his fake school, and actually said his "vision" was that the students would run the school themselves. I found Jim Bakker's level of anger off-putting - a little creepy, and disproportionate to the issue.

Jim, at a real school, students do *not* run the school. I've "caught the vision" - it is Jim Bakker setting up a fake school, recruiting young people, and putting them in charge of each other - then Jim sits back and collects the money, with no work on his part. Frankly, it is ridiculous to call this set-up a school.

Jim was practically ranting as he complained he was tired of collecting dollar after dollar (hence the suggestion that someone just give him a million dollars), and rationalized/justified the garbage his "students" are putting up on YouTube - telling people that if they don't "get it" they are just too old to understand.

Condescending, and wrong. It really is content-poor, technical messes that they are putting up on YouTube. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck... its a duck. In other words, if the YouTube channel is full of videos with poor technical work (like the logo on Zach's shirt being in reverse, which I mentioned before), and videos that don't make sense (Zach reading the Bible in his "funny voices," or the "who am I" video) - then the "school" is not teaching them anything useful or relevant. It is *not* that everyone is too old to understand.

Jim was also angry that people die and endow millions of dollars to state schools. He had some incredible mental gymnastics to justify his statement that it is better to die and leave money to his fake school. He said the biggest debt in the U.S. is student debt - but give money to his fake school, and their students "graduate" with no debt. They also "graduate" with no degree, but Jim didn't talk about that.

Jim asked Sasha to say something to young people to convince them to go to his fake school - her answer: "if you want to be on TV, come to Master's Media." I hardly know what to say about that one.

But the thing that I found disturbing was what Jim talked about after all of the above. Jim said he was walking down the hall and saw all the students in a room. Were they studying the Bible? Doing some "academic elements" that the school supposedly does? No. They were designing clothes for GenerationNOW.

Jim Bakker said he knew some people would say "what does that have to do with the Gospel?" Jim Bakker's answer: "that has to do with this generation, they are anointed."

Jim Bakker could not even answer a question that he posed to himself. There is some kind of disconnect happening there - he goes ahead and asks the question out loud, but he could not answer his own question. Bizarre.

Here is the part I found disturbing: the official jacket of the students at Jim's fake school is, as described by the student who designed it, "faux military."

So now Morningside has a bunch of young people, some from troubled backgrounds, being left to their own devices, and they have chosen a military jacket for all of them to wear. Does anyone else see where this is going? Its not good. I posted some time ago that the school had a "Lord of the Flies" vibe to it, this puts a cherry on top of that cake.

We are only seeing the surface via the TV show, the bits they think are the best, just think of all that is happening that we do not see.

Grandma Char Groupie said...

You are so right Tanya!

Excellent posting !!!

To the person who asked the question above, Yes some of the signatures that shut down construction of Lori's House came from actual people living at Morningside.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Excellent post Tanya.

Anonymous said...

Tanya, you hit the nail on the head with your latest post. The "students" are basically given food and board in exchange for providing free labor and giving Jimbo a platform to pick retirees pockets.

Stop supporting Joe C. for what he has done and continue to give us similar words of wisdom!

SusanD said...

I am sure that the Master Media students also work in the shipping dept, warehouse etc etc etc…….. Then Jimbo has his new master plan for the Lori House girls, to work in the shops, waitress, and do the gardening to teach them life skills as he puts it lolol My question is how does this help the Blue Eye economy like him said when no one at the compound except Jim’s relatives, and Jason Wert are getting paid???????

SusanD said...

Tanya,2:38 am
The faux military jackets, Jim was talking about for the students are disturbing. When I went to the site where Jim bought his aka Michael Jackson jacket at- Mondo by urban wear I saw those faux military jacket soooo I am sure Jim will knock off the jackets look, and add stupid labels to it that say Christian Warfare.

out of controll said...

Zach "Rambo" Drew, Defender of the Faith. It is all getting to be just a little bit silly. Para-military religious jackets like they are a bunch of modern day Knights Templar or Morningside Guardian Angels. Give me a break already!

Jessica said...

As always, excellent posts Tanya and SusanD. I enjoy every word.

My comment is that Bakker sank to a new low when he talked about Tammy Sue and her dental problems on his show. A loving parent would protect and not flaunt a medical condition unless it is to gain sympathy, and, ultimately money. Just terrible!

SusanD said...

Jessica, 9:53 am
A loving father would just help you out, not have to brag how he paid for redoing your teeth, since you couldn’t afford it for the last 10 years. Then 2 days later make you show your fixed teeth to the audience.It had to be humiliating for Tammy Sue.

Anonymous said...

Kool-aid-Kid had a little lamb
that he used to love to ram.
Till one day he discovered the little lamb, was a dyed in the wool ivory Ram.

point to JC said...

@1:40. Good for you Tanya! Let Joe C. defend his own conduct if it needs defending. According to Grandma Maxine, Joe is on his way to greener pastures. Why defend a person who has bettered his life? It is both silly and irrational. The proof of the pudding is in the taste. I'm just confused as to what motivated Joe C. to act at all. He says one thing, yet reaps a financial gain (according to Maxine), the conclusion has to be the motivation was the montetary gain he anticipated all along. Very shrewd move. Joe C. would make a fine Mayor, a very savy and smart man.

Jessica said...

Bakker is a cad for discussing Tammy Sue's dental problems on television. But it does make sense if he can use the sympathy factor to rake in money.

Bakker is stressed!! Boo Hoo!

Dino the Pastry Chef said...

Dino cake is a meal in itself, you don't need any KFC. Plus it is a lot more nutritious and healthy. Almost the perfect food.

Anonymous said...

Joe C. is a hero to Morningside residents who were against the Lori House project. He was the catalyst and the glue that brought them together as a unit. It was him, more then anybody, that sacrificed and "kicked butt" to defeat that monster. Thanks Joe C. You stand tall!

Anonymous said...

Ok--so can someone just explain that deal about people living at Morningside signing a petition against Lori's House?
They live there in that faux main street/mall thing w/ his tv show right there and they go against his plan?

Anonymous said...

The Morningside condo rentals facebook page is worth looking at. Tons of pics and yeah a cold Cddy SRX SUV parked outside in a few shots.
The exterior of the building looks really odd like they negelected to paint some areas.
The restaurant looks really really depressing. The general store ...well...look at the pics. That place looks beyond depressing. Wild guess on the Bakker's condo, above the Gold Caddy is what could be a massive condo. Who owns it, Grandma Char? I'm only interested in this in the sense that I'm not seeing ministry. Its Home Shopping under the backdrop of all Hell's About to break loose and you'll need a generator

Grandma Maxine Groupie said...

Joe C. is no hero and is in fact a traitor. He didnt defeat anyone and just started a noble cause and then gave into temptation by accepting a "gift" from Jim to keep quiet and disappear. Lori's House is now being built again and since that meeting Joe has become silent and is now making plans to go to Florida with a pink little lamb bracelet, stuffed lambs, a soft snuggly blanket, and a pocket full of greenbacks!

Jason Wert please come back...

Anonymous said...

That Cadi.could be anybody's. Zach, Nolan, Bakker, Joec. no way of knowing and not important.

Anonymous said...

Joe C. went into that meeting pissed at Bakker for not returning his calls. He came out the meeting all understanding. Something happened! What we can't say, but something happened. I remember him all pissed off at being ignored.

I want to hear Joes side said...

Speak up, tell us what happened, and say it aint so Joe!

Good Luck!! said...

@3:55.

That's all anyone is asking. Only silence from the man. Give him "due process", the result, silence, total silence.

Anonymous said...

Joe C. has gone into hiding with a pocket full of C notes! Maybe he is now in the witness protection program?

Anonymous said...

Stonewall them Joe C. Plead the 5th, the 5th is always there for us.

Anonymous said...

to 6:00am- You "butt kisser"!

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Joe C For Mayor

Tanya said...

Thank you, Grandma Char Groupie, KAK, and Jessica.

@SusanD: I took a look at the Mondo site where Jim Bakker's strange jacket came from. How did you track that down? The clothes shown on the website are creepy. We all know that guy - the guy who wears those shirts/jackets, thinks he is irresistible, sidles up next to you, right in your personal space, and proceeds to hit on you in an awful, creepy way. And you just can't shake the guy off. Kind of fitting that Jim Bakker wears it, actually.

So, any Bakker-supporters going to comment on the students deciding to wear military jackets? Anyone find it disturbing as SusanD and I do? Or how about Jim Bakker exploiting his daughter's dental problems on his show? Any guesses as to how he paid for expensive dental work on the monthly salary he claims he lives off of?

Truthseeker said...

Tammy Sue has no job, money, husband, etc. so of course she is going to make a deal with the devil, and in doing so she will be exploited in any way to allow Jimbo to pick the senior citizens pockets.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

How that goofy looking old fart figured he'd look cool wearing the corset jacket is beyond me.
Hey Jim! Go with the "Mountie" look next time and purchase the MMFALL-75 Mondo jacket!
Old fool wearing young guy clothing. Too funny.
Here's some Dino cake froggy.

SusanD said...

Tanya, 4:57 pm
Jimbo was bragging about it the other day when he wore it at the live taping. He mentioned who made it so I went to the website to look at the price. He opened the jacket up to show what a great lining it had....Bakker supporter that's where your money is going goofy jackets like that lolololol

Joe C's travel agent said...

I'm guessing that Joe Cool is on a beach in Florida laying in a hammock beneath a palm tree under a cozy soft blanket wearing a pink bracelet.

He has a Pina Colada in one hand and a stuffed Lori's little lamb in the other with a fat wallet close to his side, and each time someone walks by he tells them "God loves you, he really does"!

Brother Dortch said...

On April 27, 2012 at 1:49am, I posted an account of what occurred at The Presidential Suite of The Heritage Grand Hotel at Bakker’s “Heritage USA”. I then followed it up with a reference to Bakker's sermon, if you choose to call it that, which was televised the exact same day during the live taping at Morningside in which Bakker stressed the need for "repentance".

The two questions I posed to either Mr. Bakker, himself, or any of his followers remain unanswered. This is typical for any credible information that gets published here. Let's not answer or discuss the various issues and hope they simply vanish and go away.

I have also related information about the third floor of Lori's House possibly being converted to a female student dorm for the fake college and guess what? It seems no one from the Bakker camp wants to discuss that fraud, as well. How unusual!

Let's raise funds for a group home for pregnant women and then convert one third of the entire group home to a secular project for non pregnant women which, as far as I'm concerned, is a violation a federal wire and mail fraud laws. What is wire and mail fraud? It is the raising of funds for one purpose and then using those exact funds for another different purpose. This is also exactly what happened with "Kevin's House" years ago.

Finally, it seems that what was offered up to us on this blog, by the "students" as a glowing Morningside College success story, Ms. Charlet Wintercorn (now married and is Charlet Turnbull and please note that this is the correct spelling of her first name. It is not spelled "Charlotte") has now enrolled in, and is now attending,
cosmetology school. So much for that wonderful, non-existant, job placement statistic the kids tried, in vain, to ram down the throats of those here who actually know the truth and tried to help these kids understand that a 0% job placement rate means a 0% successful vocational program! I am especially interested in what Miss Tanya has to say about this new development in Charlet's life.

The house of cards in Blue Eye, MO will fall down. It is simply a matter of time and if the house does not collapse during Bakker's time here on earth, you can bet you last dollar it will totally collapse and be finished within hours after his death.

Any Bakker follower with answers to any of the above observations, especially the activities in The Presidential Suite of The Heritage Grand Hotel at Bakker’s “Heritage USA”, I will await a response.

Unfortuneately, the house of cards will probably be long blown over until I receive so much as even one pro-Bakker response.

It is very hard to deal with the facts, isn't it? Have a great evening everyone and remember...

I support Joe C for Mayor!

Tanya said...

SusanD: Jim Bakker can't help himself, can he? Never mind all the other information that shows he is living far above the monthly income he claims, he then goes and brags about his over-priced jacket... a Sgt. Pepper-ish jacket from a clothing line that, as far as I can see, is aimed at 18-22 year olds. That jacket alone, with whatever taxes and shipping (if applicable) ate up over 50% of Jim's claimed income. If you put your thinking cap on, it really starts to look like Jim has access to more money than he claims, doesn't it?

Tanya said...

Brother Dortch: it looks like all we are going to get is the ad nauseam repetition of the Bakker-supporters' favorite diversion.

The fact that all questions are getting ignored in favour of mindless repetition shows that the Bakker-supporters have nothing to say... perhaps they even agree with some of the points we have made. Sometimes, silence speaks volumes.

Personally, I find the information you provided about Lori's House interesting on several levels. Its already showed that Jim Bakker does not follow the law - a problem for anyone who claims he is a changed man.

But, when consequences of *not* adhering to the law arise, Jim Bakker expresses anger and exhibits paranoia - rather than accept responsibility for his own actions, he rages about "spiritual warfare." He chooses to move his project so he can avoid those pesky laws. Based on the nature of Lori's House, as already pointed out, it is unlikely Jim Bakker will be able to avoid the oversight of the state no matter where he moves Lori's House... but no doubt, if and when the day comes when the state steps in, Jim will again rage about spiritual warfare.

The bigger issue is the evolution of Lori's House. It began as a restful home for single pregnant women, to "save babies." Then, Jim Bakker said these pregnant women would also get job training at Morningside, aka be unpaid workers. Next, Jim said there would also be women who are post-abortion housed there, for support... and job training. And finally, Jim decided the female students of the fake school should perhaps live in Lori's House, effectively making part of Lori's House a dorm.

I can practically hear the whirring of the cogs in Jim Bakker's brain as he feverishly calculates how to evade the law, and maximize the usefulness of Lori's House to him (i.e., make the most money).

It is fraud, plain and simple. People sent money in for a home for pregnant women, not the hodge-podge that Jim Bakker is talking about now.

No surprise that the Bakker-supporters don't want to touch the topic of Lori's House.

As for the fake school, it should be no great shock to anyone that a former student would need to enroll in a real (accredited) vocational program (or be an intern for that matter). My only wish is that these students figure it out sooner rather than later - what a shame to waste months or years at Jim Bakker's fake school, thinking it will get them somewhere at the end. Sadly, now that the students have chosen military jackets for themselves to wear, I fear it is even more unlikely that the current students will break free.

Here's something to think about: in 2009 the journal Psychology Today published the 7 steps to forming a cult - let's look at these steps in relation to the fake school:

(1) create your own reality, keep members away from outsiders (Morningside is pretty isolated, and they say right in their application package that students don't get much time off)

(2)set the leader up as the only link to paradise (Jim Bakker and his prophet/watchman on the wall routine)

(3)make increasing demands (people have posted about this in this blog and others)

(4)keep presenting stories about the greatness of the leader (Jim says God talks to him, Jim presents his predictions that have come true)

(5) use your converts to bring in more converts (on a recent show Jim asked Sasha to speak and recruit more students)

(6)keep everybody busy, which does not allow time for critical thought (we've heard about that in these comments, and on other blogs too)

(7) keep your flock fixated on the carrot, the payoff is just around the corner and they will be the ones paid off (Jim says we are in the End of Days, preaches exclusively from Revelation)

I believe things are sliding downhill at Morningside. Time will tell.

Brother Dortch said...

Thank-you Tanya for your helpful insight. Now let me add the following:

If Jim Bakker is the changed man he strives to make everyone believe he is, the very first logical thing he should have done is to follow the redemption ladder put forth to him by his former lifelong chuch affiliate, The Assemblies of God. Had he done exactly this, as his former President did (who was subsequently reordained in the faith), he would not only have re-entered the faith as a member, but he could also have been re-ordained in the faith as a full pastor. Instead, he chose to ignore the church leaders' requests and go to some little known, off the beaten path, "Good Ole' Boys" paper mill and get himself ordained in an organization nobody knows anything at all about. Indeed, when a newspaper reporter went to the small town in Pennsvlvania where this so-called ordination occurred, and began interviewing well known pastors in that area, not surprisingly, none of them had ever even heard of the church which had allegedly ordained Mr. Bakker. The fact that Bakker, even today, chooses not to reveal or even discuss this ordination should come as a surprise to no one. This fact alone should immediately cause ANY of his followers to suspect something is wrong. A pastor who is not proud of his ordination credentials? It certainly sounds like this is not much of a pastor to me. Or, could it be the pastor involved, Mr. Jim Bakker, has something to hide?

Secondly, Jim Bakker should have, years ago, made all of his financial dealings...100% of them...public. There are some very reputable, national accounting firms, who could have taken Bakker's church donations and kept all the books relating therein on the up and up with total and complete transparancy. Was this done? No. Instead, we see the man who preaches that money will soon be worthless living in over $600,000 worth of real estate including a new main residence far away from the compound he solicits people to move to claiming it is a "community of love and worship".

If the real estate's main spokesman does not want to live there full-time, what does this mean? I believe the public can figure this one out for themselves.

Also, there is not 100%transparancy for other reasons, as well. If the books were open for all to see, people would see the excesses, including the 23 foot boat, the vehicles, the four months per year vacations, the indoor pool and sauna, and many other things purchased with church money that this "pastor" has reason to not want the public to view. Could it be these purchases have absolutely nothing to do with spreading the word of God? That ought to be another red flag for everybody right there.

Brother Dortch said...

Lastly, if Jim Bakker were truly a changed man, he would have done what he preaches is so vital for a Christian to do and that is to "repent" of his sins. Instead, he has chosen not to even admit to his sins, especially in the field of homosexuality while putting himself on display to the public as a married man, as well as the sins of theft in office, being a complete and totally miserable parent to what turned out to be two very disturbed children who were forced to witness his selfishness in action (and pay the emotional price for it), intense greed, and a still practiced propensity for outright lying in the name of God.

How can you possibly ask for forgiveness from God if you are not willing to take the first step in being cleansed, which is admitting you have a problem? What does Mr. Bakker say the problem is? He says everything was someone else's fault.

Shame on you Jim Bakker! Your own people have now begun stealing things off the set of your show and caused you to put two locks on your own refrigerator/freezer. Your own "safe place" and community in paradise has become a den of thieves. Your own Morningside residents are signing paperwork against you because they have grown tired of your crap! And, Mr. Bakker, where are you? You are over there in a church bought "parsonage" on Pokeberry Lane in another city far away from the place you say is so great. It is so great, in fact, you don't even want to live there yourself--but let's make sure the car and gasoline you power it with are both paid for with chuch funds.

Keep on lying to your viewers, Jim, and keep on misusing their funds. Where this is going to eventually get you is YOUR FAULT and YOUR FAULT ONLY and will have absolutely nothing to do with being the fault of anyone else!

A "changed man?"

Ha !!!!!!!!!

It is your classic classic case of what we used to call in school:

"S.S.D.D."

Same shit...different day!

Can I get a witness? Amen!

Los Angeles Ministry Worker said...

Amen Brother Dortch! And Amen again! Greetings from L.A.!

I hope you don’t mind my saying this, but I am surprised The New York Times or some other reputable news organization has not scooped you up as one of their top investigative writers or editorial professionals. Your posts never cease to amaze me. You look at the world the way it is and so fluently speak what so many people, in their hearts, want to say and hear. I am up early this morning to begin working, as I have mentioned here before, for one of the mega churches here in Los Angeles and I just want you to know how much I appreciate the work you are doing. I see this blog is about ready to turn over 2,000 comments for this one blog post only. That is more action than all other Jim Bakker forums had had COMBINED and some of them have been around for years!

Keep on doing what you are doing and fighting the good fight. Jim Bakker is a joke, even amongst Christians. He is an embarrassment to the faith. But he does serve as an endless source of humor for us with his various scams. I think it’s funny the thief has now become the victim of a thief! Oh well, you know what they say, The Lord works in mysterious ways! LOL!

Awaiting The Sex Scandal said...

AMEN Bro D!

You would do well in New York, I agree. After all, you do have an "in" there, don't you? I believe it is the President of NBC, Nate Parkhurst. LOL LOL LOL!

SusanD said...

Tanya,

Not only does Jimbo brag about his expensive clothing on air. He talks about Lori and his trips on their days off to antique shops. The huge collection of antique cameras he has. Let face it Jim’s salary maybe be small from the church, but I am also sure that Lori’s salary is huge. Instead of antique shopping Jimbo shouldn’t you be paying back your IRS bill?

Bro D,
Jim mentioned he was stressed at Lori’s house being stopped, because members like to sue him when he can’t build something he has raised money for. The last show he was talking about a new project he has in the works lolol……. The lead up to it was articles about alcohol, and partying being the biggest killer of teenagers…….Ok now try and guess what the new project most likely is lololol

Pastor Jim fan said...

Brother Dortch you keep saying that your questions go unanswered but the funny thing is you never tell us the questions you would like the followers to address?

We have already given you several examples of former students making their mark in the "real" world so what else would you like to know, and be specific?

Opening my eyes and getting wise said...

AMEN Brother Dortch!!!!

I heard a great message this morning about the faith salesmen and false teachers like Jim Bakker, I will try to share as much as I remember.

Faith salemen and false teachers prostitute God. Spiritual and material blessings are for sale. If you want God to move in your behalf, then you must pay for it. Send them your money and God will remove your debt, addiction, sickness. Health, wealth, and God's protection is for sale. Everything that appeals to a carnal man's desires is theirs for a fee.

People like Jim Bakker are God's judgment upon people who don't want God, but in the name of religon, plan on getting everything their heart desires. That is why he has been raised up again. The people that sit under his teachings are not victims. Jim is the judgement God has brought upon them because they want what he sells, not God. They want the health, wealth, freedom from trouble, in return for their tithe. They hate sound doctrine. They want to accumulate themselves under false teachers, so God sends them they teachers they desire. They hate God and cling to the things of this world. God's blessings has been reduced to a business transaction.

False teachers present the idea God cannot bless you unless you pay for it. They imply that God is for sale and will dance at your whim if the money is right. How blasphemous to present God in that way! In the end, God is used for man's pleasure, just like a prostitute. These false preachers present God as a way to get what I want, how belittling to the Creator and Lover of our souls!

TO BE CONTINUED......

burnjimburn said...

making their mark in the real world? bull shit, working as an intern at a local television station is not making a mark. its what college students do while they attend an accredited school. not to make a living off of, but only to supplement their education.
Pastor jim fan, i bet if you push real hard you could pull your head out of jims ass. but i guess you zombies like the smell of your frog god's shit.

Opening my eyes and getting wise said...

Continuation of my comments at 8:01,

The heretical teaching that God and his protection is for sale, and giving to a false ministry will give blessings flies squarely in the against the teaching of Scripture. Jesus taught in Matthew 6:3 "When giving do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing". In other words Jesus was saying to not give with an agenda, such as expecting something in return. 2 Corinthians 9:7 says we are to be a cheerful giver (not a fearful giver). Jim teaches to give under compulsion because if you want protection from God you need to pay for it. God has never said if the price is right I'll answer your prayers. Instead the opposite is true, James 4:2-3 says "we have not, because we ask not, and when we do ask, we ask with the wrong motive. Giving to get is always certainly wrong!!!

What Jim teaches is heretical and blasphemes God and takes advantage of of multitudes of gullible Christians. Charlatans like Jim will always lead people to great disappointment and disillusionment. Just like a Ponzi scheme, the one who send the money gets poorer, and the one receiving the money gets richer.

The Biblical message of seed time and harvest is quite simple...one person witnesses and sows the seed of the Gospel by what they say and how they live their lives, which is evidence of a regenerated heart. Later, another person more likely, will harvest the seed that was planted to lead a person to salvation. False teachers will never present to the truth of the Gospel for the winning of souls, he only uses it for his profit.

Mark 8:35 For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me and for the Gospel will save it.

Mark 8:37 What can a man give in exchange for his sould?

Matthew 16:26 What good will it be for a man if he gains the whole world, yet forfeits his soul?

AMEN!!!

In the news said...

Oh big deal! Jim talks about his cloths, at least he's honest and doesn't hide facts. I notice it is mostly the females on this site who complain about that issue. It must be a feminine trait to notice what a person is wearing and comment on it. Oh little Kool-aid does also but he's the exception that proves the rule. Wearing of military clothes proves nothing except to the paranoid. Stop saying Joe C. for mayor, he's not even around thses parts anymore. Old Joe is in sunny Florida checking out the talent on the beach. By the way he bought himself a whole new wardrobe Ladies. He is downing silver sol and dino cakes to boost his libido, and muttering to himself how "life is good".

Kool-Aid Kid said...

To pastor jim fan ...

You must be new to the Bucket to post a comment like that. Keep scrolling back and when you see one of Bro D's excellent posts read it. Not find what you want? Repeat the process until you do. Yes, Bro D and others have shown the success rate of the Moronside fake students in the media field. How could anyone expect anything but that with Jim Bakker in charge.

Anonymous said...

Thinking about the stealing of items off the set of Bakker's show and about Bakker's own ongoing actions brought me to this verse in the Bible:

"And He (Jesus) said to them, It is written, My house shall be a house of prayer and you have made it a den of thieves." Matthew, chapter 21.

The very next verse is relevant to Bakker's claims that we must be fearful and fervently work hard to save ourselves from the coming destruction (which includes buying a bunch of overpriced stuff from him:

"Then the blind and the lame came to Him in the temple, and He healed them."

I am physically disabled, but I know God can take care of me without me spending my small budget for food to help Jim Bakker buy fancy clothing and for his wife's plastic surgeries.

Brother Dortch said...

Some very good observations have rolled in and, with the exception of one from what is obviously a misguided Morningside College so-called "student" who is lost in the "school of broken dreams" it is wonderful to see such insightful dialog.

Remember I have previously stated I will not be responding to such immature comments because you can lead a horse to water but cannot make it drink. There are some among us who simply do not want to hear the truth.

Yes, Bakker presents the image that the love of God is for sale. One has only to see how this con artist lives his own life to know this is not at all true. Not only is Jesus and the love of God not for sale but neither is any organized religion. Don’t get me wrong. Being a member of a Bible believing church is not a bad thing but there are good ones and there are bad ones and being a member of either is not a direct ticket to heaven. It is a known fact that some of the mafia’s hit men attend Catholic mass every Sunday and present as “family men” before the general public.

My Bible says what you do in secret will be rewarded openly. I have yet to see any passages anywhere that say allowing a fellow male church member to secretly massage your testicles, at the same time you present yourself openly to the flock as a married man, is still perfectly OK. This is sick. Bakker is sick. And, as been previously stated here by others, may possibly be going through one of the stages of mental illness. It is highly possible he will totally lose it one day and snap. I just hope that, should this actually be the case one day in the future, someone in the asylum places a box of “Jim’s All Grain Cereal” or whatever it is called, with his picture on the box, in front of him, and he spends his last days looking at that cereal box each and every day. It is that cereal box which represents what is more important to him than God’s word. The ideals put forth by Bakker are the “Do as I say and not as I do” ideals of a Christian con man. He will pay a big price for his relentless pursuit of this Christian ponzi scheme in the future—a real big price, and Grandma Maxine’s money, or anyone else’s “love offerings” or “club membership cards” will do him absolutely no good at that point.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Jim Bakker never got a face tighter than a snare drum without some surgery as well.

H.H. said...

Brother Dortch we should expect that from you because when pressed for your questions you divert to "I will not be responding to such immature comments." So stop stating that your questions go unanswered when you refuse to ask them....

Kool-Aid Kid said...

H.H.,

Jim Bakker is as sickly on the outside as he is in his mind. What is there not to understand?
Like I said ... start scrolling.

Awaiting The Sex Scandal said...

"stop stating that your questions go unanswered when you refuse to ask them"

Brother Dortch afraid to ask questions of the Jim Bakker ministry?

Someone has obviously cut a deal with Mondo on some very high powered and good crack!

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL !!!!!!!!

Kool-Aid Kid said...

... and we all know what kind of "crack" Jim Bakker is interested in too.

Theron said...

H.H. you are so correct. We gave the wannabe Richard Dortch some examples of graduates who have started successful careers so now when he is called out, he is afraid to give us additional questions to test us.

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Cindy B. said...

To the person trying to promote your Jim Bakker Youtube videos on this site, please stop it. You have previously been told by Ron not to do this and here you go again. I wish he would simply delete the post. But, just for the record, if that video shows Jim Bakker having his testicles massaged by another man then I am not interested in seeing it and I am sure nobody else here is either!

Kool-Aid Kid said...

HH waht part of "obey" don't you understand?
Join the rest of the fake students making designer shirts for Jim Bakker.
You "obey" Bakker's commands don't you.

Awaiting The Sex Scandal said...

Kool Aid, Maybe they could make some of those "backless briefs". From what I'm hearing, they may go over quite well! LOL!

Darn Tootin said...

be careful kool aid, they're all liable to take out their ram's horns and blow two toots against you.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

I'm sure Zach has been given a pair of "prophet backless" briefs from Bakker. A nice pink pair for the fleshy man child I bet. lol

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Thanks for the heads up on that Darn Tootin ... and a good laugh too.

Anonymous said...

Jim says that satan is thwarting Lori's house and all his other aspirations.

People keep buying Jims lies and his junk food buckets.

To both Jim and his followers I have a scripture and I hope you learn from it:

The Lord will not let the Godly go hungry, but he refuses to satisfy the cravings of the wicked. NLT

The LORD does not let the righteous go hungry, but He thwarts the craving of the wicked. ESV

Anonymous said...

Ladies: Cool it on what Jim wears or does not wear. No one really cares and it is not that important. It is just the girls and Kool-aid, who might very well be a girl, who comment on this. Typical female concerns, how someone looks.

Anonymous said...

Someone awhile back asked if anyone knew which condo is the Bakkers. If you go to the Jim Bakker show website and click on photos of Morningside, or if you click on the Morningside site you will find a wide angle shot of the front side of Morningside. Jim Bakker condo is the one on the far left. It is the tan colored condo with a dormer. It is indeed 3 stories high. The bottom floor is Jim and Lori's offices. The next 2 stories are their residence. I am nit sure but there may even be a loft besides. They have the condo filled with expensive furnishing, quite garish actually. They have now built in front of their condo a structure that looks like a feed and seed store to keep the theme of a French villa. That feed and seed store front I believe is actually their indoor pool.

fed up with the fools said...

To Anonymous fool @ 1:36

It's Jim and Lori who bring up clothes and obsess over how they look. eg., Lori and Jim's multiple plastic surgeries, wearing fancy clothes and talking about them on air, I believe a Bakker believer came on this blog boasting about some designer jeans Jim was wearing.

Cool it fool and come to the defense of the Gospel and not Jim if your a real christian!

Before you act.. said...

I can only envision things to come by the past. These should be the watchwords for everyone associated with Morningside. Society administers punishment for a dual purpose, one to punish the wrong doer and protect society. The second so that the offender can learn from his error and act accordingly to correct himself in the future. Has Bakker learned? You need to ask yourself this very important question before you commit to Morningside. If you answer in the negative, you're as bad if not worse then him.

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