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Gord Pedersen: 'How does that Silver Sol shit work again?' |
This is the final post for this episode. If you haven't already read the first part, please click here for
part 1 of Jim Bakker scribbles on Zach, talks junk with Bill Whaley.
I wasn't aware that Dr Gordon Pedersen was the man behind Silver Sol, but he's the one in the commercial so now he owns it in my book. He tells us some gobbledy-gook about his miracle tonic, explaining that the particles of silver are so tiny that they can 'enter a red blood cell'. He says this is good because there's nothing to 'irritate or agitate', and that the particles of silver are just there to 'kill the germs'. I haven't been following the Silver Sol scene, but this sounds very, very stupid to me. Why would anyone voluntarily ingest something that is going to enter their blood cells and 'kill the germs'? How does silver know the difference between a germ and a blood cell? This sounds like an experiment the Japanese would do on Allied POWs to see how long they'd survive. Why would anyone even waste their time with this? It's so stupid it's laughable.
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This is what happens when you follow Jim Bakker's advice |
I did a little looking on this Dr Gordon Pedersen. Don't let the white lab coat fool you, because Gordon Pedersen is not a medical doctor. He has a PhD from a toxicology program which sounds promising, but
in this press release he's billed as the “
Anti-Aging Master Formulator” which causes my quack-alert siren to whoop loudly inside my head. I don't feel very comfortable here, Mr Pedersen.
Didn't this silver stuff turn some guy's skin blue like a smurf not too long ago? I think I'll pass on your miracle tonic this time around. My body already does a good enough job 'killing the germs' and you know what they say: If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I'll tell you what though: When I'm on my deathbed, I'll take a swig and see if it does anything for me. Does it cure dying?
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Jim Bakker's Blue Skin Ointment w/ bonus Amoeba Pot, $88 |
Zach announces a Silver Sol package for $600, then Sasha announces a case of 50 for $900. These packages come with Neti Pots. Why hasn't Jim told us the scary stories involving Neti Pots and brain-eating amoebas? Hasn't he heard about
the people who have died after using them? It's strange to think that nobody on that stage has heard about the Neti Pot amoebas, and it makes me wonder if Jim's hiding the truth a little bit there so as not to cut into his own product sales. Blue skin coloring and brain-eating amoebas...that's two strikes against this Silver Sol package already. Yet Jim Bakker is still selling it with no mention at all about these serious risks? Doesn't sound very honest to me,
Pastor Bakker.
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Lori says "Wow!" while Jim gulps air |
We're out of the commercial and back to the Junk Man Show with Jim Bakker. Jim asks a question designed to lead Whaley into a product demonstration, but the Junk Man's having none of it. These are direct quotes:
Jim: “I've read that you help street people stay warm...One of the biggest problems people are going to have is when the power goes out. How do you keep from freezing?”
Junk Man: “Let's go to the street first.”
Jim: “Okay.”
Jim just has to sit there and take it. He's on the couch, leaning on his knee and staring at Whaley, but he's powerless to do anything. The old coot just keeps going on. For her part, Lori loves listening to this guy. She turns to the camera and mouths the word 'Wow!' as Whaley talks.
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Whaley grabs his papers as Jim dreams of a happy place |
Uh oh, Whaley just stepped over into la-la land. Now he's talking governmental conspiracy against the poor, the homeless, and the 'working people'. He's using the fingers on his hands to count off each targeted group. Jim, you need to step in and stop this now. A man uncovering conspiracy at this level is a man that the government will do everything to silence. The FBI probably has a file as a thick as a book on this Whaley character, hell there's probably agents in your audience right now keeping tabs on him. You don't need this kind of heat Jim, you don't need it!
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The Junk Kook spices things up with conspiracy talk |
Whaley has now reached for a stack of papers to expose a Senate Bill designed, according to the Junk Kook, to outlaw people from growing gardens. Lori's little mind has been blown by this conspiracy. We hear her off-camera saying, "Unbelievable. Unbelievable". With his stack of papers in one hand, Whaley employs use of his other hand to count off even more targeted groups. He's talking farming, saying something about us controlling the food. He then says, '
Guess who else we control?' Then bam, an edit arrives just in time. Just in time to
save Whaley's life, and possibly everyone at Morningside. Whatever information he had was bound to uncover conspiracy at the highest levels of government. They will stop at nothing, Bill, nothing. Now I understand why you live 'off the grid'.
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The Junk Kook's audio was cut. What secrets did he expose? |
The edit was abrupt, and now it goes straight to Bakker. Jim feeds into Whaley's conspiracy a little bit, talking about some weird government crackdown on an Amish farmer selling raw milk. The camera shows Whaley with a smirk on his face while he points to his papers and speaks, but there's no sound because it's an edit job. Wow, I wonder how long he droned on for before the kids cut him off in the editing room? How much more conspiracy is lying on the Jim Bakker Show cutting room floor? Maybe Jim Bakker himself is part of the conspiracy to silence the Junk Kook...you ever think of that one, Bill?
Finally, Bakker has taken back a little control. He moves from the Amish farmer straight into Lori's House, telling us that he's being called 'evil' for building a home to save babies. No Jim, that's not why you are called evil. You are called evil because you prey on the elderly and mentally-incompetent, earning their trust specifically so you can take their money. You are called evil not because you are building a home to save babies, Jim, but because you lie about why people call you evil.
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Bakker: 'Oh my God, I've invited a lunatic onto my show.' |
Jim turns back to Bill and pleads with him, “
We can't get political. They'll put me away, Bill.” That's Jim's way of saying, 'Knock off the soapbox shit and get to the trinkets'. Bakker asks the Junk Kook how we can stay warm if the power grid goes down. Hey Bill, I'll take this one for you. Jim, the secret is layers. Thermals, jackets, whatever you have in the closet. You know the way you're dressed when you go outside in the cold? Just dress like that inside. Add a blanket if you need to. Burn some wood in a fireplace, maybe even roast some marshmallows! Next question please.
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Whaley pouts after Jim shoots down his conspiracy theory |
The Junk Kook was still thumbing the pages of his conspiracy documents when Jim told him to knock it off. I'm pretty sure he's pissed off now because he's acting like a bratty child who was just told to sit still at a Christmas party. He's back to flopping his hands up and down on the arms of his chair, and he has a little smirk on his face. Bill Whaley, a sixty-something man who once flew choppers in Vietnam, is pouting.
The Junk Kook doesn't like being silenced. Without neighbors, he pretty much lives in silence all the time save for his dumpster divin' wife. Deep down inside, I think what Bill Whaley wants are friends, people to talk to and people to listen. Unfortunately, years of living like a mountain man have made him strange. Picking through garbage is strange. Dreaming up conspiracy is strange. If he were a kid, he could break out of that strangeness bubble and live normally like everyone else. But the Junk Kook is already into his sixties. There's no changing a man who's had that much time to become weird. So, the Junk Kook's inner desire for friendship will never be satisfied unless he finds a friend who is also strange. And that'll just make him weirder.
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Bill Whaley angrily snatches bag off table |
Since the Junk Kook is pouting, he didn't accept Jim's first invitation to tell us all how to keep warm. Now Jim has to really prod him into action. Jim chooses his words carefully, saying “
You have so many things, I don't know which ones you want to go to first. Do you want me to pick or do you want to tell me?” That bratty child who was told to sit down is now being told to pick a present and open it while everyone watches. Whaley angrily snatches an empty plastic bread bag off the table. This guy is cracking me up, he's really pissed off that Jim told him to stop with the conspiracy crap. He hoists the bag over his head and, in a condescending tone, asks everyone on stage what they would do with it. He has such a look of disdain on his face as he asks this, he's just dying to point his finger at everyone on stage and call them dummies.
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Bill Whaley: 'I'm holding gasoline in my hand you dummies.' |
After a pause, Bakker says he would throw the bag away. Kevin follows the leader and says he would throw it away too. At this point, I think they want to throw Bill Whaley away with the bag too. The Junk Kook looks down his nose at us and says, “
I'm holding gasoline in my hand.” Kevin Shorey feigns shock at this announcement, and Whaley reiterates that the plastic bag can be converted to gasoline. He once again holds his prized plastic bag up, and then we get a very long, awkward pause. I thought my DVR froze, but nope that's just the deafening sound of silence on stage. Whaley has completely killed any amount of viewer interest in him with his pouting act, and now he's going nuts with the bread bag. Everyone, and I mean every single person on that stage, is on the defensive with him. They've all now realized that he's a lunatic.
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Whaley's 'latex glove': The bane of canines everywhere. |
The plastic bag is not just gasoline, Whaley tells us. It's also a latex glove that can be used to pick up dog 'droppings'. I'm very suspicious of this statement, Bill. Out in my neck of the woods, we don't associate latex gloves with dog crap. We associate them with people crap, and more specifically, the holes where the people crap comes from. Are you bread-bagging your hands and giving rectal examinations out there in 'off-the-grid' land? And who are you examining? There are exactly two people in those woods where you live, plus one unlucky dog. Please don't tell me you're...I just...
don't you dare hurt that dog, Bill.
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Bill Whaley's dog being inspected for worms |
Whaley goes on about the multi-use bread bag. He uses it to store butchered chickens in the freezer, and god knows what else. He also puts his skid-marked underwear, ratty t-shirts and mismatched socks in the bag so they don't get wet. What about bread, Bill, do you ever put bread in the bag?
Bill wears the bags on his feet in the wintertime. He says he puts them on his feet, then puts socks over them to keep his feet warm. You're a military man, Bill. Isn't that a recipe for trench foot? Or do you use the water generated by your sweaty, suffocating feet for brushing your teeth?
Whaley ends his childish tirade by asking a question. With his prized bag once again held up with both hands and a voice filled with utter contempt, he turns to Jim and Lori and asks, “Why would I throw it away?” As he asks, he jingles the bag ends so that the plastic makes noise.
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Jim talks Whaley down off the ledge as Lori daydreams |
Jim got a lot more than he bargained for with this guest. Jim is sweating, oh man is he sweating. He moves to a new question, and as he poses it he sounds like a psychiatrist trying to keep a wild-eyed mental patient from setting himself on fire.
Bakker is really shaken. He says, “Bill, what you're telling us is we can use the things around us to survive. We don't have to lay down and die.” Whaley is folding the plastic bag into a neat square as Jim speaks. Bakker looks to the audience for applause and gets it, and then we see Jim with a look of worry on his face as he gulps down a mouthful of air. Disaster averted, but what's up next?
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Bill Whaley loves knowing more about garbage than we do |
Whaley has lightened up now. The tension was cut by the applause, and now Bill Whaley feels respected again. He grabs another piece of garbage, an empty spaghetti sauce jar. Actually, I wouldn't classify this one as garbage if you have liquids you want to store. It depends on the liquid, of course. I might use it for pickled eggs, while the Junk Kook might use it for urine bombs. Let's see.
God, Whaley is so obnoxious. He has a way of speaking that is demeaning to all around him. Lori picks up on it subconsciously, because now she's referring to him as 'sir'. He's an asshole without justification. He tells all of us dummies that we can use the sauce jar as a measuring cup. He also says that we can use it to serve drinks in. He suggests giving it to children to drink from, so if they break it they “don't break your good stuff.” You know what I would use your glass jar for, Bill? A baseball. I would tee that sucker right up, then shatter it into a million unusable pieces with a baseball bat. Oh hey, give me that bread bag too, it'll make a great noise maker. Just blow it up full of air, hold the open side closed, then clap your hands together quickly. Pop!
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A frozen Jim Bakker tries to figure a way out of this debacle |
Jim is frozen solid on the couch. Lori reacts well to assholes, she likes that sort of leadership, but Jim doesn't. He's not quite sure what to do here.
Now the Junk Kook grabs a 2-liter bottle that he chopped in half. It's not chopped well, it looks like he hacked it in half with a butter knife or clipped it down with nail clippers. I also can't rule out the possibility that he had his wife bite through it. Whaley is finding his groove now. He leans back in the chair and asks, “
What can you do with a 2-liter bottle?” See that's the problem, Bill, it's the way you introduce your items. Stop asking us what we can do with your garbage and just show us instead.
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Plastic bottle that Whaley's wife bit in half |
You ask us questions that you think we can't answer in order to make us feel small. But it's not that we can't answer them, it's that we don't really care. You deal in garbage, the stuff I toss out with a smile on my face. Whenever I have to go back into my garbage to find something that was thrown out accidentally, I don't smile. I grimace and I hold my nose, and sometimes I even ask my wife for help because it's so disgusting to me. When you pose questions designed to make people feel dumb for not knowing the ins-and-outs of the garbage heap, you fail in your quest for friendship. Normal people don't like that.
From the 2-liter bottle, Whaley says he can make a water filter, ice holder, and funnel. Bakker breaks free from his daze and jumps on the funnel idea. Jim grabs the funnel from the table and tells us how we could use it to add gas to our cars if we needed to. Does Jim not know that gas cans come with spouts? I'll go one further: Does Jim not know that funnels can be purchased for a couple dollars at Home Depot? With the dollar Jim gave Lori earlier in the show, they're already halfway down the road to funnel ownership. See how easy that is, Jim?
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Papa Whaley took little Jimmy's funnel toy away from him |
Whaley isn't having any of Jim's gas-can funnel crap. He takes the funnel away from Bakker like a parent taking scissors from a toddler and completely ignores Jim's suggestion. I get the feeling that the Junk Man is thinking, 'Thanks for humoring us buddy, but let's leave the survival stuff
to the experts.' Jim was still talking as Whaley took the funnel back from him, he even looked to his audience for support while stammering out, “
Isn't that a good..good idea?” I hate to say it, but I'm actually starting to pull for Bakker in this fight. Whaley's a total jackass and needs to be put in his place. If Bill were an ass because he doesn't like Bakker, I'd be on his side. He isn't though. Bill Whaley's an ass because Bill Whaley's an ass.
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"...teach a man to fish, feed him for a lifetime." |
Ugh, the Junk Man tells us something about poking holes in the bottle, stitching it with twine, and adding bread crumbs to make a 'minnow catcher' for fishing. What happened to you out there in that Vietnamese jungle, Bill? What did you see that's got you so spooked? You're back home in America now, Bill. You don't need to do this, we are friendlies and you are safe. You can go to the store and buy bait from an honest man who is happy to sell to you. Hell, you can even skip the bait and just buy a fish! Don't worry, you will not encounter any VC here. No land mines, no crushed glass in your Pepsi. Just relax sir and calm down. Now please tell me: Are you carrying any knives or other weapons on your person right now?
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'Wait 'till the Feds get a load of my urine bombs, muhahaha!' |
Whaley is still obsessing over the bottle. He's showing us how he can add one of his black-painted glass bottles inside the larger plastic bottle, fill one of the two with soup (I don't know which), and cook the soup outside in the sun. As he's configuring this thing, it's making all kinds of annoying ripping and tearing noises as he tries to fit everything together. Why Bill? Why would I waste my time? What you are showing us is so unimportant, it really is. If I had a choice between doing all that menial crap to sun-cook my soup, or just eating cold soup...I'll eat cold soup, Bill. Really, I would.
[Bill Whaley] [showing me how to configure the soup cooker] "So you just take this piece here and add this part...wait, hold on, I think I'm missing something."
[Ron] [eyes glossing over] "It's okay Bill, I don't need all that stuff. I'll just eat it cold."
[Bill Whaley] [shock bordering on offense] "Cold soup? Who wants to eat cold soup!? Just gimme a second, there's a piece missing. We'll get your soup cooking in no time!"
[Ron] [looks at watch] "Bill, it's...it's fine. Can I have my soup back please?
[Bill Whaley] [red-faced and aggressive] "No you cannot have your soup back please, I haven't shown you how to heat it yet! Just give me a second."
[Ron] "These aren't seconds anymore, these are minutes now and I'm hungry."
Bill growls threateningly.
[Ron] [laughing] "Why are you getting so upset?"
[Bill Whaley] [screaming] "I'm not upset!"
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Bill Whaley rubs his 40-grit palms together |
Jim refers to Whaley's soup-warming contraption as a 'solar cooker'. I'm not sure that 'cooker' is the right word as I don't think anyone will be sizzling bacon in it anytime soon, but whatever. It gets hot, wow. Bill also says we can take a sand-filled soda can, paint it black, then set it in the sun to make a hand warmer. Ahhh, Bill knows just how to make things nice and cozy on those crisp Ozark mornin's. Bill really lays it on us thick with the hand warmer, even rubbing his hands together as he describes it. The sound his hands make when rubbed together are like sandpaper on a wood deck. Don't let the dumpy looks fool you, because the Junk Man isn't all about business: He's pleasure too.
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The Junk Kook snaps rubber band off yet more garbage |
Jim asks Bill what else he has for show-and-tell. I hope this is over soon because my Bill Whaley Junk-O-Meter is running into the red zone. I'm very near to experiencing a junk overdose, and I'm considering buying a furnace for all of my garbage to prevent it from falling into the hands of the other Bill Whaleys of the world.
Bill asks one of the Master's Media kids to pass him a piece of garbage that's out of reach. It's yet another crinkly piece of plastic. If this guy lived next door to me, he would drive me bonkers. I recycle. I have plastic and glass bottles wrapped up in bags on the side of my house, not stacked, just lying out there nice and clean, awaiting the few times each year when I have time to unload it all at the recycling center. If Bill lived next door, I just know that guy would be breaking my balls every couple weeks or so, asking if he could have my plastic. I'd have to tell him no, but then I'd realize that he's looking at my house and probably rooting through my garbage at night when I'm sleeping. I'd be powerless to stop him. It would drive me nuts.
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The Junk Tornado unwraps loudly while Lori tries to speak |
Whatever Whaley's next piece of garbage is, he has it encased in a plastic bag. Is that to keep it clean? He snaps off two rubber bands from the bag and starts unraveling the treasure inside. Meanwhile, Lori is talking, or at least trying to talk. She's saying something about the Master's Media kids, but Bill keeps driving on with his unpacking. He's like a Junk Tornado: All we see and hear is the crinkling of plastic, rubber bands snapping, and cups or pieces of cups flying about. Whaley's in his zone now, he has no time for Lori's child's play and small talk. Lori's voice trails off as she completes her sentence and stares at Bill, then we all listen and watch for a few awkward seconds as the Junk Tornado finishes unpacking. The ball is back in Whaley's court now.
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Bill Whaley struggling to snug his water filter down tight |
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This is a coffee creamer bottle. I just cut the bottom off of it." Whaley's face is glowing, he loves this stuff. "
I went down to Walmart for $7 and bought me one of those Brita pitcher filters." Bill then drops one of those 'Brita pitcher filters' into his creamer bottle. It's a near perfect fit. Bill pulls down hard on the other end of the filter, you can see the strain on his face as he snugs the filter into the plastic bottle and seats it. He holds it up for us to see and declares proudly, "
Now I got a water filter that'll filter 40 gallons of water anywhere I want to go with it." Bill, my good man...what you call a water filter, I call a smoking gun. Did you know that Jim Bakker actually sells expensive Seychelle water filters for over 3 times the price you just mentioned? In fact, the chair your sitting in was probably still warm from Dr Seychelle's last visit! Don't know who Dr Seychelle is, Bill? Well let me describe him for you, you might like him!
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Detective Bill Whaley holds the smoking gun for all to see |
First off,
Dr Seychelle is not really a doctor at all, but Jim insists on calling him one and the fake doctor doesn't seem to mind. His real name is Carl Palmer. He has a face full of plastic surgery, is the CEO of a multi-million dollar company, and has what might be called a 'trophy wife' who operates as a 'Holistic Dental Hygienist'. That sound like your kinda' people, Bill? Or can I just call you 'Dr Whaley'...it'll make people trust you more!
You want conspiracy, Bill, well you just got one. A real one this time. You are now in competition with the fake Dr Seychelle and his froggy little buddy, Jim Bakker. You are on a show whose sole intent is to sell product. You, Bill, with all your quirks, are still at heart trying to help people. If you thought that's what Jim Bakker was about, you've made a mistake. The Jim Bakker Show is designed for product-sales, not people-helping. Showing people how to make a cheap water filter is a noble effort on your part, but in Jim's calculating mind, why would he give people something for free when he can charge them for it instead?
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Jim got away from the $7 water filter real quick |
Jim's subdued response to Bill's water filter: "
Oh my lamb." Bakker had no idea this was going to happen and I can see the wheels turning in his mind, trying to figure out how to brush this under the rug as fast as possible without people catching on. We get one more sentence from Bill before edit: "
That's how simple it is to have good clean water." Jim says, haltingly, "
It really is. What's next?" Lori is next to Jim with a smile plastered on her face, but I can see her little mind chugging along as well. I'm pretty sure she caught on to the water filter fiasco too, but hell for all I know she's daydreaming about sex and crack-pipes. You never really know with Lori...one minute she's thinking about abortion, the next minute she's thinking about balloons.
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Biker Chick Max tries to remember how much Jim's filters cost |
As I said, a heavy edit took place here. The next time we see Bill he's snapping a rubber band back onto the plastic-covered water filter set that took him so long to unwrap earlier. No statement on this, Pastor Bakker? Shouldn't you be suggesting to us all that we save our money on pricey Seychelle filters and just build Dr Whaley's $7 filters instead?
We're back to Jim's first question about how to keep people warm, and Bakker once again refers to homeless people as 'street people'. Whaley grabs a large tin can and starts pulling metal objects out of it while Jim is still talking. Clank, clink, clunk. I know you're off the grid Bill, but I think someone is eventually going to find you out there because of all the noise you make. Do you get a lot of hungry bears out your way?
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Bill Whaley removes small metal can from large metal can |
The Junk Man is glowing again. I get the feeling he could talk junk, garbage and scavenging all day and night, then continuing on into the morning. Bill Whaley fails among men, but at the garbage heap he reigns supreme. Bill grabs Jim's sharpie, the same one used to write on Zach's forehead, and draws a square on the tin can. He tells us that we can cut out the square of tin, bend it over a stick, and 'put a nail through it' to make a frying pan. I have to say, when Bil grabbed the Zach sharpie and started drawing I was expecting a little more from him then a piece of tin attached to a stick. Let's throw that one out Bill, it's sort of lame. Even a gorilla could figure that one out. And by gorilla, I mean Zach Drew.
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'Scuse me brother, any sausage cans to spare? |
If we want to make a heater instead, Bill tells us to add a couple inches of dirt or sand to the tin can. Then we take a Vienna Sausage tin can, add wax and some pipe cleaners to make a candle. Bill, this one's even more lame. Where am I going to find an empty Vienna Sausage can? Do I need to find a hobo in a train car and rifle through his plaid knapsack while he's passed out drunk? And if I already have wax, wouldn't I also
already have a candle? Bill, did you know they make things called
tealight candles that can be purchased for less than a
twenty cents a piece? You need to get out more and stop handling so much garbage, I think all the toxic metals have started to turn your brain into pudding.
Bill's still driving on with his candle heater. He tells us to place the sausage-can candle into the big tin can, then take a "
big 62 oz juice can", poke holes in it and place it over the top of this unwieldy contraption to make a tiny, ineffective heater. I wouldn't even know what a 62 oz juice can looks like, but Bill has the sucker memorized. You've been hanging around the garbage heap for far too long Bill. Here's a life tip: If you converse with more rodents each day than people, then you need a serious change of lifestyle. It's not healthy for your mind.
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Jim asked the Junk Kook for his thoughts on the economy |
Bakker wants some fear-mongering from Whaley to close the show with. Jim asks the Junk Kook, a man completely unqualified to give answers on, well, anything, if he thinks the dollar is going to 'totally collapse'. Whaley says that this year the 'financial institution' is going to hit everybody and it's going to hit us hard. Jim Bakker, of course, loves hearing the unqualified Bill Whaley predict economic disaster. He looks to the audience and says, "
Now listen to what he's saying people. This is what I've been trying to warn you and warn you and warn you..."
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I'll get by just fine without your plastic bread bag, Bill |
Finally, the show winds down. Bakker asks Whaley to address the critics who call his gimmick stupid. Whaley tells us "
your dollar's gettin' littler every day", and asks, "
What happens when you can't buy this?" Bill, if I'm so stupid that I can't figure out how to stay warm with all the extra clothes in my closet, or how to crack open a can of Campbell's soup and eat it, then I guess I'll just die. That really sums it up for me, I'd rather lose out and die then spend my life living in fear of ridiculous things like roving gangs, dying of thirst, starving, or freezing to death. I'm not a settler on the frontier.
But let's be honest here: The scary world you describe is not going to happen in our lifetime. We don't live in Sudan, we live in America. Among other things, we have police, military, business, and multiple layers of government filled with fellow citizens who have a vested interest in keeping everything under control. The doom-speakers and fear-mongers like Jim Bakker know this too. That's why they take cold hard cash as payment for their products and speaking engagements. They prey on dimwits who've been watching too many scary movies. Think about it for a second: if Jim Bakker really thought the world was going to fall apart, wouldn't he be doing something to prevent it instead of
catering to it?
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How much did Jim Bakker pay for your integrity, Bill? |
Bakker ends the show with one final pitch for his Wheat Buckets. The high hopes I had for Bill Whaley's integrity have now vanished, because Jim tells us that every $100 Wheat Bucket sold today comes with a free DVD of the Junk Kook in action. We see Bill sitting in his chair, twiddling his thumbs and smiling as if he just swallowed a canary. Bill must be thinking that he pulled a fast one over on Jim, but believe me Bill, the only one pulling a fast one in this relationship is Jim Bakker. You are a tadpole swimming with the largest toad in the swamp, and he's been swimming in this swamp for years.
The show ends, then we get a five-minute commercial for foodbuckets.
2,815 comments:
«Oldest ‹Older 2001 – 2200 of 2815 Newer› Newest»To 1:32 PM. Not only does his sergeant peppers jacket look stupid for an old geezer to wear but couple that with the fact that it's faker bakker wearing it, it's way too funny. What's next, ear rings? That would make sense for a old man trying to look cool. LMAO.
Actually, besides the Majorette Jacket he wore, which was a seasonal thing, he dresses pretty good. Whoever picks out his shirts has a very good taste. The colors suit him and the designs themselves are flattering. He wore a blue checkered shirt the other day which I wish I could buy. I'm not saying this cause I like or dislike Bakker, I have no view. I'm saying this out of aesthetics.
What I find offensive about Jim Bakker is the scummy items he sells to people through fear. How many times has his story changes “the world is ending this year“…..to be later revised “the world is ending as we know it” it doesn’t hurt to be prepared”.
I could forgive even Jim Bakker if he could man up and said Yes I had sex with men, Yes I used peoples money for my own gain…..but nooooo show after show you see him say it was others peoples fault, he didn’t know what was going on…..Bull he collected a BIG pay check, he knew what was going on.
Never happen! No man is going to admit to a homosexual relationship unless he is nuts. Even guys who have spent a long long time in prison (30 years) deny this. One man will not admire another for admitting homosexuality (maybe a woman would), he would distance himself from him ASAP. It is called the "Rock Hudson" syndrome.
regarding the bakker's condo---there is a satellite image on bing or google that appears to show a pool being built right in front of a condo. If you are directly in front of morning side is the Bakker condo to the very far right. If that's correct the pool is visible either because the roof isn't on or the roofs glass. Try either google or bing and see, zoom in.
If Jim changed his ways, the only thing he had to do to prove it was to keep open records and open books, available to the public or at least his partners/members, like most other congregations. Total transparency. If everything is above board, there would be no need to keep it secret.
He says often when he's selling something, "I don't even know how the ministry makes money off of this -or- the ministry makes almost nothing when you buy this product because Frank Davis gave us such a great deal."
How can he not know what is being donated through the sale of these items, and if "so very little money" is being made for the ministry through selling these items, then why do it? Just tell people what they need to get prepared and then do some preaching! If you're not making enough money off the love gifts, then stop spending 50 minutes per show selling them!!!!
Pool image is far left on the satellite pic. Matching what the above poster said about Bakker condo location. It does look like a pool in the satellite shot zoomed in.
What is Grandma Char's official title in the operation? If her title is CEO or whatever I would think the IRS would want some evidence she runs it. Also, is Crawford the chief creditor? Would wonder what he thinks. Those condos rent for like $79 a night. Can't imagine they are making Crawford any money
If they can out a pool in, can't Lori drive him to a big city to Brooks Brothers? He needs adult clothing that fits. His clothes are horrible. They don't fit and they make him look old and creepy. Clearly he needs a tailor due to his stature.
Don't worry about Crawford, he and his wife are bigger crooks than Lori and Jim. That is why he and Jim are at each others throats now. They and their wives are greedy, selfish people so there was no way that romance was going to work.
Along with this "ministry" needing to be transparent with the books and the money, how about the numbers of souls saved. I would like to know how many people hear the gospel everyday and receive Christ as their Savior by listening to this show. My guess would be a big fat 0!!! Why? Because the Gospel is never presented. If Jim preached Jesus he wouldn't have enough time to push his products!
If he shopped at Brooks Brothers people would complain here about it. You see how petty and trivial some of the folks here are. These trolls will use anything to further their lame arguments. Next thing they'll be blaming Bakker for the weather. Instead of admiring Bakker for beating the odds and rising in the good old American tradition of rags to riches they want to see him fail. Bakker is a case study in how e verything is possible if you perserver and believe in yourself. These trolls have it all backwards.
@4:07.
No one is a bigger crook than bakker. Not even Maddof holds a candle to bakker. jim bakker has gone to prison before for doing the exact same thing he's doing now. I think Crawford is slime but he doesn't have a department of prisons number like bakker does.
Once again, the Bakker-supporters are diverting by claiming they: (a) answered the questions - "several" answers... no, there were 2 names given and people addressed both these names, and it seems they do not answer that particular question, (b) suggesting that Brother Dortch is afraid to ask questions, or implying that he never asked questions - as others have said, scroll back. You will find Brother D.'s questions, along with questions from a lot of other people. Feel free to answer any of them, if you are able.
1:32pm: read my posts again. I gave my personal opinion about the jacket, true enough, but the main point - the point you avoided - is that the cost of the jacket casts some serious doubt on how much money Jim Bakker has access to.
A flurry of diversions from the Bakker-supporters, this time because some of us have given personal opinions about a jacket.
How about you focus on the underlying, more important issue - the money. The lack of transparency. The raising of money for one thing, and the sudden metamorphosis of that thing into something else (i.e., fraud). The lifestyle that Jim Bakker leads that is so clearly more than his claimed income. All the posts today that have raised good points about the finances of Jim Bakker and his "ministry."
Before we get accusations of jealousy, which I am sure are coming, it is *not* the lifestyle itself - it is the fact that Jim Bakker claims he lives on a small monthly income, yet he clearly has access to much more money.
Where does that extra money come from?
Could it be the "love gifts?"
Is that "lame," 4:15pm - that Jim Bakker appears to be using the love gifts to get all the perks he enjoys? Or are you OK with that? Fraud is good by you?
I also see that no-one seems to want to discuss the fake school, their military jackets (and what that suggests), Jim Bakker's statement that his vision is the students run the school themselves. I'm good with that - that would be one thing we could put to bed... we could all agree that it is fake, and a disservice to the students.
Military garb? So maybe that explains everything. The tents, the outdoor environment, the survival equipment all leads to the same conclusion, para-military survivalism. Bakker and his entourage will survive the final appocalypse (in subterranian mines) and reemerge to repopulate the world, a better Christian world. I like it, I think he has a damn good idea. Where do I sign?
I believe Mark Twain said, and this may not be an exact quote but is from memory, "there are two kinds of Christian. Those who profess to be Christians and those who are professional Christians.". I think both apply to morningside.
@4:51. Great idea. Don't forget to take your Visa card because jim doesn't accept American Express. Lol.
Craig, 5:16 pm
LOL good point!
Plus Jimbo said he was thinking of putting metals on the Military shirts so I am sure that will be an added charge. I am sure Grandma Maxine will be a 5 star general lololol
Wow. SusanD, that is hilarious. Medals for what? Fake student of the month, most sales of the month, best bath house session? Lol.
On the Crawford deal, his daughter Tamara runs the sales and rentals of the units. Other than Facebook, she doesnt seem to be doing much marketing. The facebook Page for Morningside is not very professional.
If you were serious about tnhis place as a conference center or whatever, you might hire a photographer. BTW--If you live in Branson and are having an affair and need a place....79.00 for a decent condo. could be a way to generate revenue. Its outside of town, quiet and cheap
Instead of wasting more time on Joe C, its Bakker who matters.
does he ever mention his board of directors?
Grandma char is a busy lady.
She has 2 registgered nonprofits.
One is MOrningside and the other New Covenant. Both are current
On the documents filed for the nonprofit, Grandma Char is listed as secretary. The spot for President isnt filled in. There are 2 other board members, Charles Smith of Branson and James P Lukavsky.
Lol 6:56. jim's next sales push should be for I Care and NOW push up bras and garters. Lol. Maybe even some Lori's house condoms. There's endless ways to make tax free money from others adultery. Lolol.
The pool is visible on Google Maps
It looks BIG!
I hope the other folks who live at Morningside are invited to use it.
Now, did Jim and Lori get a mortgage to buy their compund from Jerry? Or...did New Covenant take a mortgage? Or did MOrnigside Inc take a mortgage?
Anonymous 7:49pm
I don't think anyone but the Bakker's use the pool. Jim doesn't like talking to people after the show why would he invite them over to pee in his pool! lololol
I would be pissed if I bought a condo and was told there was no pool BUT one owner got his very own pool. GEEZ
Wonder if the other Morningside owners know about the pool????
Seriously, I called MOrningside the other day to see what the condos rented for and was told there was NO pool. Hmmm---not exactly true btw 79.00 a night
So---to recap---Jim has a pool but needed money for a road thru Morningside...
Suze Orman does a segment called "Can I afford it?"
Jim needs to watch.
I could almost cut him some slack if he seemed to pray or act like a pastor.
I think in Jim's book he mentions his deal with Frenck Lick (hold on, its a place, not a toy).
French Lick is a resort in Indiana and right after he went in the slammer he sent Roe and Tammy faye there(not a good move) to see if it could be purchased. Now, thats ballsy, yo are in federal prison for a resort time share scheme and send your wife to scope out another.
If you own a condo that faces Grace Street, are you legally required NOT to come out on your balcony and make noise that would disrupt the Jim Bakker show?
I have an aunt who is an alcoholic. We want her in a safe place like Jim's. My only fear is that since she drinks EARLY AM and is LOUD it might pose a problem during taping....please advise
I would like you to know that I was told, right here on this forum a couple of months ago, if anyone wishes to go back and research it, that if I rented a condo at Morningside I would have access to all facilities including the pool. I was told that for around $20 extra per day I could also use the sauna that is attached to the pool and I was also told there is a "juice bar" in the pool area that I can only assume requires a Bakker employee to staff to serve you your juice. I got the impression that I could use the pool for free and only had to pay extra for the sauna and juice bar but I could be mistaken. If you read the postings here from the staff you can judge it all for yourself. I was also told the students get to use the pool and sauna for free. The person telling me this, I believe, was using the screen name "Charlene" which may or may not have been Grandma Char. On the exact same day, we all were told that anyone who donates to the ministry is allowed to use the 23 foot boat behind the Bakker's Pokeberry Lane home in Lampe, MO.
This is all on the record right here in this forum. When you called Morningside and they told you "no pool" that was probably for the $79 rate but, for the additional $20, they probably would allow you to use it and the sauna and juice bar. I am really surprised they did not inform you of that. I can't believe it. You certainly don't think anybody from bakker's ministry would lie, do you? Nooooo, I can't believe that!
About the boat...I think that was total bullshit. Try putting $5.00 in the collection plate on Sunday afternoon at Grace Chapel, which is a donation to the ministry, and then asking to use the boat on Monday morning. After they get done laughing, I am sure you will be asked to leave.
Catfinger, reference your comment:
"French Lick is a resort in Indiana."
If Bakker thought about buying that and eventually living there, that would have been appropriate because it once was a hideout and a hangout place for notorious gangster Al Capone - otherwise known as Scarface,
In addition to what SusanD said (6:38pm)about the military jackets Jim is getting made for the students, Braydon (the student who apparently designed the jacket) said he included a plastic shield on one arm so each student could "personalize" their jacket - by sliding a card in there, I guess, with a drawing, some printed image, or words on it. I'm reluctant to ask what images the students have in mind.
Braydon also said that he included a hole in the collar that allowed you to thread your ipod earbud wires through it - because what he hates is when those wires get all tangled up and they strangle you.
Do you know, I have used earbuds for years and years, and I have never been strangled by them. I'm being absolutely serious - the wires to my headphones have never strangled me. I didn't realize that was such a big problem at Morningside. Perhaps they should offer a course in earbud use and management.
There's been some interesting information posted today, but no responses from the Bakker-supporters. Maybe tomorrow, hey?
(Grandma Char Groupie: I remember the post you are talking about. Can't remember when exactly it was, but I do remember it.)
Hi Tanya!
Let me say I also remember the day people from Morningside staff were on here and said that any person who rents a condo gets to use ALL FACILITIES including the pool and sauna and juice bar.
Also Tanya, I believe that slot for the card on the jacket they were saying was for some sort of I.D. card each one of the kids gets at the compound. I guess it is a student I.D. with a photo etc.
The idea of having a pathway for ear bud wires constructed into a garment is patented technology. True story. The company that owns the multi-million dollar patent is Scottveste and the owner is Scott Jordan.
Once these jackets come out of production, email Scotteveste and let them know someone is infringing on their patent.
I think someone mentioned this possible new fashion statement for the moronside fake students would have metals to complete the look.
I think it would be only fitting to have the first metal presented to the bath house "phantom stinker". I suggest a nice blue ribbon with a miniature silver toliet seat hanging from it.
Joe C is gone, forget about him. Focus on the Bakker issues, Joe C retired to Florida. Right this moment he is on the beach checking out the local talent. If Joe C. made some quick cash I say good for him, that's the American way. I would not be surprised if Joe C. will be the DI for Bakker's Boot camp, considering he has a solid USMC background. He might have to relocate locate, he gonna have a lot of work getting that platoon in shape, so he'll earn his money.
Medals ... not metals. hehehehe
Beyond jackets, the bigger picture is the legality of this operation.
While there are 2 corporations registered as nonprofits in MO in Char Graham's name, they dont appear to be have federal tax exemption. I'm wondering if they are only exempt on a state level?
The form 990 is what is filed for Federal tax exemption for a 501c nonprofit.
The 990 details salaries ans expenses. Even TBN allows their 990 to be viewed. Other hide behind church status but Guidestar.org can still show if the organization filed the 990. Guidestar can not seem to find either name that they are using in MO, New Covenant or Morningside
Jason Wert ratted us out and whispered in Bakker's crumpled ear that word was getting around that he never preaches or talks about salvation. So, today he shut his eyes, Lori managed to not moan during this segment, and said a sinners prayer.
After the sinners prayer was out of the way, Mr. Frog spent ten minutes of the show talking gloom and doom with another silly quack named Kilpatrick talking about earthquakes in their neck of the woods and how God spoke to him during the night causing him to shake. Why is it God only speaks to these two idiots at night. Why not during the show? Why not when Bakker was hauling in the Jesus statue?
Bakker do you have a secret way of conjuring up God at night? Do you guys eat hot dogs before going to bed? What is your secret? Bakker, are you pretending?
Also, why is Lori wearing horrible fake long hair extensions in that bleached mop of hers? I think she is competing with preacher Joel Osteen's wife. Just wait until Tammy Sue is done with her heavy duty make over and she struts her stuff. I feel jealousy is around the corner of Moronside. Zombies watch out!
How many condos are there in Morningside in the main building aka Grace Street?
The girl in the rental office said NO POOL...we dont have a pool.
Heres a thought....maybe they could have built a pool for everyone and it would have increased sales and rentals.
Also, did they build that place with the idea of renting condos or are they stuck with a bunch they can't sell?
For the poster who brought up TBN:
"Granddaughter of TBN founder Paul Crouch alleges sexual assault, and massive financial fraud at the Christian network based in Orange County.
In her lawsuit Brittany Koper the grand-daughter of TBN founder Paul Crouch alleges she was told to cover up acts of fraud by the network, furthermore when she blew the whistle on the matter she was fired not before being sexually assaulted by one of the lawyers representing her grandfather's television network.
Paul Crouch and his wife founded the Trinity Broadcasting Systems in 1973 alongside Jim Bakker and the late Tammy Faye Bakker. In 1975 the Bakker's would leave to start their own ministry, Jim Bakker himself was disgraced by sex scandals and served time in prison for fraud People magazine reported in 1987. In the beginning TBN nearly went bankrupt after just 2 days on the air according to Crouch's autobiography entitled "Hello World." Today TBN is available in 95% of the households in America."
Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/323070#ixzz1tY8LCoV5
Ok--heres the deal--Jim has said he wasn't a good business person and as such didnt know what was happening at PTL. He did have Peter Bailey reporting to him as vice president of finance. That said he ignored massive financial abuses he was being made aware of. That said, he clearly wasnt concerned with how the money coming in was spent. That said, it shows that he should not be in this business. The STEALING of funds by David Taggert was reported to Jim by both an attorney and Peter Bailey and Jim did nothing. In 1986 Taggert took home more tha Tammy. Has Jim ever addressed why he allowed this? read the pasted
PTL WROTE OFF CASH. A former PTL executive says the ministry wrote off $215,000 in cash advances to David Taggart in 1985 because he refused to document how the money was used. Peter Bailey, former PTL vice president for finance, made the statement in federal court testimony...REFUSED to explain it? Ok, Jim---and you let him keep his job
Jim, if you read this, it is SHAMEFUL that you do not openly post your form 990 and all tax filings. Jim--let's just say PTL was stolen, you were innocent..fine..you can have that one--BUT why will you NOT publicly show the tax filings and salaries and expenses? CBN, TBN a slew of other ministries show make them available? Jim, only a man with things to hide would refuse to make those documents available
If the world is ending and we need Food Buckets and Solar Generators then why the hell would anyone put a pool in?
I'm betting Jim is on depression meds.
Think about it, he wakes up in Blue Eye, MO. In the back of hos mind he remembers the glory days, private jets, shopping on Fifth Avenue, staying at the Waldorf, picking out matching sl500 MB's for he and Tammy as Bonus's from PTL, Grace street is fauxPTL. Its like shopping at Walmart after years of Neiman Marcus
The IRS considers with weight who signed what.
Grandma Char could very easily be in a very sticky situation should the IRS see a problem.
I think most mothers would NOT be getting into a business with their new son in law whose previous business landed him in Federal prison
Zach and crew read below and see if you think Jim should be involved with money..this happened in 1986 before the fall of PTL.Jim had a heads up and did nothing..hmmm
Other testimony Friday included a former PTL tax lawyer who said he urged in 1986 that David Taggart be fired as PTL vice president if he continued not to document his expense accounts.
The lawyer, Michael Wigton, said missing records and huge salaries paid to PTL leaders made it difficult for him to defend the ministry's tax-exempt status to the IRS.
''I felt the time had come to take a stand. If these documents couldn't be produced, they needed to take some drastic action,'' Wigton recounted.
Taggart's boss, Jim Bakker, didn't fire him. Taggart, who became Bakker's personal aide in 1980, remained one of the television ministry's most powerful executives until he was fired in April 1987, a few weeks after Bakker resigned
Hello Everyone
Thanks for the tip on TBN, Troll Zombie
I did a little digging and it's true - the shit has hit the fan in the Crouch Family -- FINALLY! -- and by Paul Crouch's own GRANDDAUGHTER!
Talk about Livin' La Vida Loca-- Holy Cow! Check out the LA Times article:
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/mar/23/local/la-me-0323-televangelist-feud-20120323
This is just too rich!
Watch out, Jim Bakker. You're next.
Jim and Lori
If you are reading these posts and have nothing to hide, POST on your website ALL tax filings for both Morningside and New Covenant
Lets try to keep this Jim and Lori...the TBN deal started in early Feb. I'm not saying they are accurate but TBN does publish all 990's via Guidestar. Again I'm not saying they are by any means accurate (although they are IRS docs)....Jim offers no info
Jessica 11:05 am
Wait till you see Jimbo do his healing and healing prayers for people routine it should be on TV in about 1 week. "Who here has bad knees?" About 20 people raised their hands lol
For Jim's own good a news org needs to head down there and ask for the tax filings....Jim you dont want to do the prison deal again. Right?
Grandma Char--
Ask the office girls to stay over today--order in pizza---get ALL the tax docs together. Post them online. Its easier to do now. why wait for say ABC or CNN to come knocking and asking. Worse, what if the Charlotte Observer decides to do a "where are they now"
Jim
Dont be a dick.
Post the damn tax filings so people can see where the money is going.
After you left taggert rip off PTL, knowing about it in 1986 and did nothing you prove you are at best an idiot. Yeah, theres more to that story but POST your freaking tax docs old man
No. Jim needs only to satisfy the US Government and the IRS, he's not running for any political office. Jim is not obliged to explain anything to you trolls. Even if he chose to it would not satisfy your lynch him mentality. Jim filed and the IRS is satisfied, anything else is a mote point and not worth the effort. Face it, it is not like any of you people donated to Morningside, so what do you care anyways? If the IRS sees a problem they will act, the IRS don't need a bunch of incompetent wannabe bloodhounds assisting. They are well qualified to act on their own accord.
Here! Here! ...Enjoy some kool-aid! Good post. But you forgot to add... in heat.
Susan D. You said Bakker asked "who has bad knees?"
The most relevant question would have been: "who still has money in their bank accounts?"
I look forward to the wallet healing episode.
This is a reality show that almost reaches surrealistically ridiculous proportions.
Salvadore Dali, where are you? And don't you need a solar generator?
I suggest the trolls post their own tax filings. That way we can see how much, if anything, THEY donated to various charities. Let's just see how honorable these folks really are. They are advocates, or claim to be, for the people who buy Foodbuckets, or are they all BS. Post your 1040s, walk the walk instead of just talking the talk! I might as well talk to the wall on that one.
Someone has been massaging Jim's testicles again!
Anonymous 2:05 pm
lol Jim is such a mess!
I know one thing I will not be watching the live taping this week Rabi Con is on he is such a borefest lol
Moronside Fake College Drill Song
I don't know, but I've been told.
Moronside Dino Cake is mighty cold!
Mmm, good!
Feels good!
Is good!
Real good!
Tastes good!
Mighty good!
Good for you!
Good for me!
I wish Jim would have some of his earlier guest on. They seem to have flown the coop. I'm refering to guys like Dino the piano guy, he was good. They don't have guests anymore like they used to.
To Anon@319pm
He has testicles??? I kind of thought when Bakker had his face skin stretched that severely some place on his body would have to give.
lol, Kool-aid, you're one of the best things to happen to this site! You should have your own blog.
To Anon@4:04pm
Many of the past guests dont subscribe to Jimbo's doom and gloom philosophy so they wont return. The only guests that visit now are peddling books, cd's, or dvd's in which Jimbo can get a kickback on.
Jim should utilize the talents of the Morningside kids. I'm sure some have a talent either for singing, dancing or play an instrument. That would be nice and get them more involved. Maybe Jim would like this idea.
Oh Grandma Mytle! I'm so happy you mentioned that.
Tell you what Grandma, what do you think of the talent going into this youtube video by one of Jim Bakker's very own future prophets. His name is Zach Drew.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpdCcaFOuH0&feature=related
Maybe Bakker would like this? What do you think? Is he involved enough do you think? What do you think his IQ is Grandma?
Zach is wonderful at playing the flute and Jim loves that, but most of the others have no talent and are just free labor.
KAK for town jester.
Jason Wert please come back and comment.
Joe C. did you declare your gift from you know who on your income tax statement?
Zach is wonderful at playing the flute, I agree. That's the "skin flute" isn't it? Oh yes, he has been doing a lot of "God's work" on that instrument ever since he arrived there, I am sure!
Zach is a great flute player because practice makes perfect!
To The Morningside Band @ 552pm
I really like that screen name. OMG! All I have to do is see that bass player in Jim's band and I burst out laughing. Fat man child Zach won't know what end to blow into. In a flute that is ... hehehehehe.
Dont make fun of my bass player or the lady singer with the 80's hairdo! I know from experience that Zach is a very talented flute player!
One of these days Chubbs ... one of these days that mile high Rapunzel hair-do will come crashing down on the bass player and get tangled in his strings.
Moronside Future Prophet Zach and the word "experience" should never be used in the same sentence!
Besides being a profound skin flute player, Zach is also a very good kazoo blower which is more Jims style!
Where has Mondo been?
I have spent about 300 hours of my life since December on a certain subject.
I am not a lawyer, I am not a reporter, I have no goal.
What I do have is 50 'episodes' of the Jim Bakker show taped. I have watched each one at least 3 times.
I have, as back up, about 75 pages of notes I've been taking from the shows that blatantly show fraud.
My notes and video are available to anybody that so wishes to have them.
Johnny Appleseed asked us "trolls" to post our tax returns so the zombies could see them. What?? Zombie stop being stupid.
Someone posted they wish Jason Wert would come back on this blog. What for? He never intended to answer our questions. He was trying to do damage control and was in over his head. Then he met up with Kool Aid Kid and got the heck out of Dodge.
Remember the Dino "piano keys" pieces that Bakker was selling after the flood last year drowned Dino's piano? Haven't seen Dino since. Bakker and Dino were carrying on about the piano keys, Dino crying, Bakker fake crying. What happened to the money they took in?
I'm torn as to whether we should discuss Jim's sex issues.
Ina way people deserve privacy but.....the sickest thing Ive read was in the book by the Charlotte Observer reporter who won the Pulitzer. In the book, he mentions this deal where JIm was doing a telethon and it was late. He was in a dresssing room with a sofa where the very large Doug Oldham was asleep on the couch. Jim wanted a staffer (Male) to give him a handjob under a blanket on the same couch Doug Oldham was sleeping on. Thats twisted
Does anyone else think it was crappy that Jim let David Taggert steal more then he paid Tammy Faye in 1986?
Lackluster arguments like Johnny Appleseed's have been put forward from time to time, and the answer will always be the same: the reason people question Jim Bakker's lack of financial transparency is that he states he is running a ministry, gained tax-exempt status, aggressively raises money by asking for "love gifts" in exchange for trinkets/Foodbuckets, has a lifestyle that exceeds his small claimed income, and questionable use of the "love gift" money (one example: building a road to the Lori's House site and preparing the foundation for Lori's House at the cost of hundreds of thousands of dollars, according to Jim, and now it turns out Lori's House will not be built on that property).
I, and others who post in these comments, are *not* running a ministry, do not have tax-exempt status, and do not ask for love gifts. Therefore, how we spend our money is not relevant.
This answer has been posted many times in these comments, but for clarity - which seems to be needed - it bears repeating.
re: Jason Wert - Jason was attempting to be a voice of reason for the Bakker-supporters, and we saw how long he lasted here. About 3 posts, as I recall. By his final post he was already avoiding questions by saying he was really busy and must have missed any questions he did not answer.
If Jason chooses to return, I look forward to his answers to: how do you feel about being asked to use your name and your image, within days (a small number of weeks at most) of being hired to ask for money for Lori's House - all because Jim Bakker did not follow the law in the first place? How do you rationalize calling opposition to Lori's House "spiritual warfare" when it all would have been avoided if Jim Bakker had worked with authorities and done the proper consultations with the public? How do you feel about the fraud of raising money for Lori's House by saying it would be a home exclusively to "save babies," yet now changing it to a multi-purpose home that includes women who are post-abortion and a dorm for the female students of the fake school?
Those last two questions are not Jason-specific, of course.
Tanya,
Great post. Where was Jason posting on here?
I didnt see it.
BTW-Saw that pool on the Google sat map
Does anyone know if Grandma Maxine is really a big donor?
I assume she is.
She is in pics having dinner with Jim and Lori at Gilbertis on the Facebook page for Morningside.
On the website for Jim's show, theres apic of him with tammy sue. He's wearing the majorette jacket.
I think its on purpose ie giving a finger to the blog here.
Yeah..youre funny now Bakker but wait till the feds roll in. You'll be hiding under your desk screaming "Take Char, her name's on everything not mine"
The students' YouTube channel appears to have been overhauled.
The link that people have provided to Zach Drew's prank calls made me think of the silly student videos that we have discussed in these comments before - examples: the introduction video with Zach Drew labelling himself "the Bossman," Nolan "the sidekick," the video of Zach throwing a tantrum when he watched the new video cameras being unloaded.
You may recall Jim Bakker gave Zach an opportunity on the TV show to say who the "real Zach" was - Zach gave the wrong answer (that the real Zach was the person in the videos), we were treated to a heavy edit, then Zach suddenly said the Bossman was a "character," it was improv, he had to act like that to reach the younger generation.
So, I swung by the GenerationNOW YouTube channel and saw that there are only 11 videos now. The introduction videos have been removed from the channel, as has the video of Zach reading the Bible in his "silly voices" (because, as Zach said, the word of God can get boring).
Some of the introduction videos still come up as suggestions from YouTube (I saw James, Ariel, Nolan, Brandon, and Sasha, but no Zach) - when I clicked on them I got the message "this video is private. If the owner has granted you access, please log in."
Looks like someone at Morningside agreed that the videos did not make the school look good.
@ angelov: thank you! I scrolled back and found Jason Wert's first post - April 14 @8:48pm.
Good morning everyone!
Another wonderful round of posts from Miss Tanya! Tanya, sometimes I read your posts and mistake them for my own! You are always right on the money in your thought processes and observations of all things Bakker. Excellent job indeed!
I also am still confused as to why Mr. Wert even showed up here in the first place and I am sure, with the exception of maybe a few times per year as a “token” post, he will not be returning. If and when he does, someone else can have the pleasure of arguing with him since I refuse to be sidetracked by a paid Bakker blogger.
Regarding yesterday’s discussion of the swimming pool at Morningside:
I have mentioned before that I heard Jim say only once on his show that:
“We are building a swimming pool at Morningside”.
Right after he made that comment, before a live audience, he received a round of applause. I have never again heard Bakker mention that pool. This causes me, especially after yesterday, to ask even more questions which are (like all the rest) certain to go unanswered. My questions are:
a)Yesterday, 5-30-12, someone stated they had called the rental office of Morningside and they were told “No pool”. Excuse me, but I heard Bakker broadcast out to the entire world that “We are building a swimming pool at Morningside”. Is Bakker so damn self centered and selfish that now he won’t let anybody swim in his church bought and TV show announced pool? This is almost as sick as David Taggart doing things to ole’ JimBob that I will not go into again—at least not right now.
b)I know the students are using the pool. I was assuming the students could use it any time they wanted but now I am beginning to have second thoughts. Perhaps they must make an advance appointment and receive permission from Mein Fraudster to swim there. Who knows?
c)Does anybody else, besides Tanya and myself, remember the day the staff member was here and told us that condo renters have access to all facilities at Morningside? I know Ron must have read the postings and perhaps Kool-Aid remembers that afternoon as well. Leave it to Jim Bakker to announce he is building what is said to be a $60,000 indoor pool with sauna and juice bar, for a home in which he does not live full time anymore, and then refuse to let anyone swim in the damn thing. Yep, that’s the Jim Bakker I know!
Someone else brought up the topic of former PTL worker Vi Asvedo and her wanting to be told about all the “hand jobs” under the covers, while Doug Oldem was sleeping on the same couch, that David Taggart was giving Jim. This is a story in Author/Presidential Scholar Charles E. Shepard’s book that I have not read yet but you can rest assured I will have more to say about that at a later date. Thank-you to whomever posted that tidbit of information. Once again, should anyone have the time, and wish to read about the homosexual sexual exploits of Jim, and a lot of other things too, the book is called:
“Forgiven: The Rise and Fall of Jim Bakker and The PTL Ministry”
This book contains a lot of PTL and Bakker family business and may not be for everybody since it is 649 pages long and has very few photos. Most of it is single spaced type and this literary work represents several years worth of Charles Shepard and Charlotte Observer research in which Bakker’s friends, family, staff and others were interviewed. I am finding the book to be fascinating to read.
Jim Bakker has had Vi Asvedo on his show once that I have seen. I do suspect, however, that something may have gone bad in his relationship with elderly Vi. I hope I am wrong.
The ultimate "fake cry" to date for me personally is the "boo hoo" pic of Jim Bakker when Tammy Sue comes through the tv set door singing "The Blood."
Love to see that one on your next post Ron. lol
Yes Tanya, it appears some rethinking has gone into what impression the MoronNow youtube clips were giving the Moronside fake school. Sadly, tubby man child Zach's "silly voices" Bible reading is gone but I still have his stupid "prank phone calls" clip to knock around (Jim Bakker must like it too).
Bakker announced the “Return of the PTL Marriage Workshops” that were coming to Morningside and were going to be taught by Vi herself—just as they were at PTL. He also said that Vi Asvedo was going to be moving to Morningside and living there and I have not seen hide nor hair of her ever since—or the “Marriage Workshops” either. Could it be Vi has seen the reality of the wonderful community in which Bakker wants her to live and has now had sense enough to decline? If she has come back to live with Bakker, please let me know.
To the best of my knowledge, I believe it is fair to say that Vi Asvedo is simply a good, Bakker-backing church lady who helped the PTL ministry. I believe it is very reasonable and honest to report that:
a)Vi Asvedo is not a medical doctor
b)Vi Asvedo is not a psychiatrist
c)Vi Asvedo is not a psychologist
d)Vi Asvedo has no medical degree
e)Vi Asvedo was not/is not licensed to practice medicine in either The State of South Carolina (where PTL was located) or in Missouri (where Morningside is located).
So, consequently, what we have here, is a PTL employee who is requesting, after being given inside information, that she wants to be given a full report each and every time David Taggart jerks off Jim Bakker under the covers on the same couch in which former Jerry Falwell singer, Doug Oldam, was sleeping on.
In closing, how would you like to have that job? I can almost see it now. God is speaking to me in a prophecy…
I can…I am seeing…I am hearing…God is showing me RIGHT NOW…the phone call that was made…
“Hello”
Oh, hi honey! I just want you to know I am going to be a little late coming home from work today.
“Why is that, Sweetie?”
Well, Taggart just jerked off Bakker under the covers again and I’ve got a 5:00 p.m. meeting with Vi Asvedo.
“Did Doug Oldum wake up, honey?”
Oh no, he slept right through the whole thing again!
“OK honey, I’ll see you when, around 6:30?”
Yep.
“OK, love-you, Bye!”
Jessica,10:58pm
I am sure that Jason Wert was sent to this blog to make nice with us by Bakker…….After his first time here on his Blog The mustard seed he wrote “Show Jesus to your critics” When we asked him questions he wouldn’t, or couldn’t answer he then wrote “The quiet battleground” about spiritual warfare. Never returning to this blog again lol
suomynona:
The Trinity Foundation is looking for **exactly** what you have. You can contact them through a link on this page (top left).
Thanks!
Bro. D, not only are you brilliant, well spoken, and a gentleman when you argue the lies of Bakker, you are sassy too and its funny wonderful.
You have a great day.
I would imagine anyone Bakker acknowledges during his show is a "big donor". Grandma Maxine is treated like a Queen. Bundled up when it is a little chilly in a cocoon. Bakker hopes (with good reason) she lives forever.
Members of Morningside make good salaries because they deserve big salaries. They are professionals. If you pay peanuts you're going to work with monkeys. Doug Oldhum was a saint.
to 9:36
If he was brilliant, it would show. Also, stop posting that picture, you don't look like that. You should be honest and post what you look like. Like Joe C. and little Kool-aid do.
Anonymous 9:56 am
As Jim stated on one of his show people should leave money to Morningside in their wills. So I am sure Jimbo is good to Grandma Maxine so she leaves the church a nice chunk of change
To Johnny Appleseed
Yup Bakker zombie, that's me for sure. I don't have any organs in there, just liquid. Kind of makes you thirsty for some Kool-Aid. Tell you what Johnny, here's a nice cold glass of "Sunshine Punch". Whoa there zombie ... you drank that Kool-Aid like a real cult follower! ;)
Kool-aid-Kid, What flavor of kool-aid are you? Let me add; Tanya, BroD, Jessica please stop stroking each other's ego. It is not very becomming and is a little juvenile, it is pretty much a regular thing with you three. You talk of medals for the Morning Kids, perhaps you long for them also. And it's "medals" not "metals" KAK.
This is scary.
I watched Jim and Lori and almost felt hypnotized.
They lose their powers though when Jim starts TALKING OVER LORI and ACTING HYPER--geez.
James I'm sure is decent, had a hard life etc but hard to listen to.
Generally speaking, the students detract from the show. And who thought the pic of tents outside was a good idea? They look depressing, looks like a terribly bleak campground
Ipad,
Did you notice Kevin was in the 4 man tent, only 1 more person could fit in there....no way was that a 4 man tent lolol
Anon"Will Everyone Act Mature Like Me Or I Will Sit Down And Cry"@1046am
Guess what zombie? I have just enough "Sunshine Punch" for you too. I wanted to make one that was more suiting you but I'm all out of "Sour Puss" right now. I would imagine your pantry is full of that flavour.
Okay, now you can sit down and stretch your zombie legs out and watch a youtube video of one of your fav moronside kids ... Zach Drew. Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpdCcaFOuH0&feature=related
Oh zombie ... it's Kool-Aid Kid not kool-aid.
I get the sad impression that those tent pictures was pretty much how the compound of Andersonville Prison during the Civil War looked. Inside the stockade barrier.
Anonymous 10:46 a.m.
Correction to the comment that the "three of us are stroking each others ego." Sorry! Tanya and Bro D. don't stroke egos, they just state the facts. I have complimented them on their fine posts because they say things much better than I can.
My comments on Jim Bakker are kind of sleazy, kind of what he is. Maybe I have lived a life that can easily recognize a very "bad" man. Bakker has had many years to change and go a different direction. But he loved the live he had and is just pissed off that he got caught. Now he's trying to do it again through zombies and grandmas'. He deserves whatever I can toss his way.
The main issue is the lack of transparency. Other than Lori's house, what does Jim say donations ie sales are used for?
Add in the issue from PTL and it further emphasizes the need for transparency.
What excuse can pro Jim people make for not sharing the 990's when other ministries like CBN do?
If the Morningside students read this, why won't as stated above Jim follow a ministry like CBN that he repeatedly states he helped found and make the 990 forms public?
While Lori's House seems like a nice idea, isn't it reckless to attempt to open a facility that will cost a fortune to run when you cant pay for the road leading to it without donations? And the 990 will not only show salaries but also the financial health of the ministry ie debts etc. I would want to give to a ministry that is a good steward and how would I know unless I see the 990?
No, Brother Bakker does not hope Grandma Maxine live a long life. He is the beneficiary of her estate!
Brother Dortch, please stop referencing Charles Shepard as we all know what eventually happened to him...
Ron, when is the next post coming?
Is the pokeberry or whatever lake house in the name of the ministry? What about the condo?
Truthseeker, new post is in the works but no ETA yet.
Why would Master's Media lock down their videos if their charter is to spread the gospel and win souls? The whole thing gets more retarded every day.
What happened to Charles Shepard? He won a Pulitzer and went on to the Washington Post
Johnny Appleseed, spreading the seeds from the bad apple I see.
How many medals do you get for that?
I think Johnny Appleseed should be presented with the Moronside bath house "stinker" medal.
The "phantom crapper" story was made up by Bro Dortch just like several other things he has stated. He is a fountain of misinformation!
Yes, Bro Dortch was the only one who saw it and no one else could verify that it actually happened so it was just a figment of his imagination.
Anon@352pm and 357pm
Hey, if Bro D said he saw it on tv then I believe it. Choose what you want to believe zombies. As if Jim Bakker isn't a fountain of "misinformation" with his Lori's House plan(s).
... and the moronside bath house "stinker" award goes to ...
Did the Bakker supporters ever come up with a reason why Jim won't release the form 990's?
I would hate to think the bulk of the donations went to salaries, air time and purchase of homes and boats.
Back to back zombies reaffirming and back patting. Johnny Appleseed isn't gonna like that, unless he's a hypocrite. Lol.
I'm fairly sure on one of the most recent shows with Jim, Lori, Kevin and James, Jim said he was facing a lawsuit about Loris house. It sounded like he said a partner was suing him.
This is the show where Jim says he was surprised to find out "poor" people are not as stressed as the rich
Is it safe to assume the Grace Street condos didn't sell as planned? With that 79.00 rental deal sounds like they are desperate. Grace street overall seems odd. The restaurant looks like it was an after thought. The "General Store" looks odd. What's Lori's Shop?
It looks like a great deal of space that serves no real purpose.
MayorZ. I'll paraphrase the responses from previous bakker backers:
Get off his back.
Why do you care, you're not Christian.
None of your business.
He'll post his when you post yours.
And my all time favorite ... Go to hell sinners!
I may have missed a response but I think I got most of them. Not a real helpful bunch in that cult.
I forgot the best excuse. He only does what the IRS requires.
Lol. The IRS requires he pay 6.1 million dollars in back taxes.
Did anyone else see the pool on the Google satellite map of Morningside?
Yes, they are in the process of building a pool.
We all watch the Bakker shows and nobody saw the "phantom crapper" but Dortch. He was fibbing along with the other dilusions he comes up with.
Something else to look at. Take a look at the Stone County, Missouri web site. It shows how many people live within a mile of the 'old' Lori's House site.
Jim said,
" It's probably a mile from anybody's house, almost."
The aerial map on The Stone County website show's otherwise.
These new shows with the good Rabbi "con man" Cahn and Mr. Strange are total snoozefests. If anyone has trouble sleeping watch one of these!
Lolol. Truthseeker, you're too funny. Brother Dortch knows more about morningside than most of the zombies that live there. Try again.
We have no taxes anyway, I don't think, I don't know, only our 33 acre that we filed for.
A recent bakker quote via the jim bakker show.
Frank Davis is increasing his donation to the ministry from 800.00 to 950.00 per unit.
Later in the same show....
And believe me, we are getting less and less for the ministry.
Lighten up Truthseeker. Bro D said the bath house crapper was in the unedited live taping not the edited aired one. If you read Bro D's post you will see he said he won't doubt if the crapper would be edited out, and it was.
TruthSeeker 5:12 pm
BrotherD was watching the live feed, when something bad is pointed out on this blog they do an edit on it lolol Just like they will edit the live show Lori said someone stole the blanket lolol Or the day no one could get the generator to work for 10 minutes.
Why have we not been blessed with a picture or two of the new fruit trees that have been planted? Could it be that... it's not true?
With both Mr Appleseed and Mr Mustardseed, morningside must have a great agronomy program to teach those poor pregnant women at Lori's Hoax to garden. Lol.
The funny thing is nobody here saw it but Bro D so I dont buy it! He has also said other things just for laughs that weren't true.
I think Colonel Mustardseed hit Professor Plum over the head with a back scratcher in the bath house.
I would like to second the opinion that the poster with 300 hours invested in Bakker shows and notes on fraud should send them to The Trinity Foundation. They are the number one organization in America dedicated to exposing fraud in religion. They would love to have this material I am sure. Lord knows, if there is one person ever that is using religion as fraud that one person is Jim Bakker.
Whatever Truthseeker. If you are seeking truth, then bakker and morningside will be a deadend. It is all false, fake, phony, and fraudulent. You need look no further than Lori's Hoax.
I suggest the Truthseeker go, first thing in the morning, to the H.R. department at Morningside and apply for the job of "jerker-jobber" for Jim's new ministry. He is a natural for the job. LOL !!!!!!!!
.... but who's going to break the news to flabby man child Zach. Poor thing will cry in "silly voices" at the thought of losing his position as jerker-jobber.
On the pool, there is already a pool there. The Google sat image was taken as it was being finished. Someone posted earlier that the pool has a facade in front of it that says Feed Store.
It would be nice if someone with a camera would snap a few pics
Oh, Kool-Aid, relax!
Can't both of them do "God's work" at the same time?
Going back a month or so, on the second Tammy Sue program ( I think) did anyone see Jim pointing to a condo and telling her he was going to buy it for her?? he said he didnt know how but he would? Um, hmmm surely the ministry wont be buying her a condo?
Someone from Morningside gave some great info a while back. The person knew which unit belonged to the Bakkers and knew about the facade hiding the pool.
The reason why the caller to the Morningside condo rental office was told that Morningside has no pool to swim in is the caller was unable to decipher the "secret codes" in the phone conversation. Had they been able to do so, they would have found the message that, for the right amount of money, they would have been swimming to their heart's content. Be careful of bing alone in that sauna room. We all know where that could lead!
Anon 7:06
I have that show taped and have 3 pages of notes on it.
jim did in fact say he would be buying that condo for her.
Correct you are Awaiting The Sex Scandal. Let the trained zombie show the ropes to the newbie.
@Awaiting The Sex Scandal & Kool Aid Kid. There can be gold, silver, and bronze as well as participant medals awarded. No zombie will walk away empty handed.
Kool-Aid,
Should we warn them to be careful?
I don't want them to get involved in any sticky situations on their new job!
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Awaiting The Sex Scandal,
It's nothing that fake student Matt can't handle with his mop and bucket. I'm sure he's seen worse clean up situations out there in the moronside cult compound.
Hey...Called There today....asked about tax deduction and there seemed to be confusion about the exemption. They ARE exempt in MO but i do not think they have Fed exemption. If you notice on their website they dont seem to make mention of tax deduction.
So would that make them a for-profit ministry?
UPDATE
Found their Federal EIN
http://www.causes.com/beneficiaries/0?ein=56-2536531
click this link
for some reason the address for their Fed return isnt Blue Eye, MO, its 1230 e 7th St
Joplin MO 64801
HEY FOLKS
If you Google that EIN it comes back with some interesting hits.
For example, It shows pops up on the 990 of Feed The Children, FTC donated 54,000 to Morningside in 2007
10:46am anon: thanking someone for an interesting post is just good manners, no need to get upset about. If you would like to be thanked, you could choose a screen name, stick with it, and post some interesting comments. As for me, I will continue to thank people who take the time (or have taken the time in the past) to comment positively on my posts:
Thank you Brother Dortch, Kool-Aid Kid, Jessica, Craig, SusanD, ????, and anonymous posters (I'm sorry I don't remember the dates/times, and sorry if I forgot anyone).
SusanD: I see you also noticed the way the comments here and the Mustardseed Year's blog lined up. Kind of like a game of ping pong. That is, until Jason Wert quit playing.
Hey HawaiianPunch,
Is there any truth to the rumour that the "phantom crapper" made a donation to Morningside too?
Does Jim say on the show how much he raised for Stellas House? You can see what Cameron has taken in by viewing his 990 on Guidestar. The most recent on there is his 2010 filing. Its listed as Cameron Ministries in Alabama
From what I'm reading, the typical Non profit 501c files a 990 unless they claim to be a church. If they claim the church status they file nothing. CBN and TBN dont claim church status and file thus creating transparency.
Jim, its sort of shady that you cant file and show where the damn money you rake in is going. After that frigging mess at PTL--between the money you were paid and Taggert siphoned off, wouldnt you want to be open and not look like shady SOB?
Ron, how do I ask you something without it being a post? You might be interested
foodbucketfanpage@gmail.com
(verified through earlier comments)
On a Tammy Sue broadcast, I thought I heard Jim say that an elderly couple who owned a condo were unable to travel back and forth from Florida to Morningside very often, so Tammy was going to be able to use their condo when they were away.
Anyways, I think this is what he was getting at. He only speaks in half sentences and interrupts himself constantly then starts in a new direction mid-thought. That's the best I could decipher from his gibberish.
LIST OF LORI'S DEMANDS AND BROKEN PROMISES:
1. A honeymoon
2. Her own log cabin
3. Lori's Little Shoppe - now known as the Partner's shop
4. Her very own show on Tuesdays.
5, Celebratory dancing after the internet wedding of her 'daughter' Maricella. Hypocrite husband quickly put a stop to that
6. Lori's House jerk-around by Jimbo himself
7. Most likely the show name ="The Jim Bakker Show" is a dis to his wifey
Notice how the seats have been rearranged in the audience. It is more in line with a religious themed program. I think that is an excellent idea, apparently Jason's. It appeared to be standing room only when I viewed the program, the Rabbi has that ability to really attract a crowd. I believe the Bakker program will gain an equilibrium (which I agree it lacked) and start to focus more on Religion and Religious history now. I think Bakker is at heart a good man, he just get too enthusiastic by sometimes "burning a candle at both ends". I see smooth sailing from now on.
Ron,
I think you may be nearing a Guinness Book of World Records feat for having the most comments on one blog post in the history of the internet :)
Certainly shows the interest in Bakker's escapades by the public, who are tired of these used car dealers who say they are TV preachers.
Any new posts in the making? Just wondering.
Mr Green Jeans @9:23 a.m. Thank you for posting your comments and sharing your Jim Bakker observations. We don't have to agree or disagree, the point is that everyone is welcome to post and play by the rules. I like that.
To recap, Morningside does have tax exempt status on state and federal levels.
They have CHOSEN to be recognized as a church and in doing so avoid financial disclosure.
If you go to guidestar.org and search by EIN 56-2536531, you'll see they have no filings.
They can STILL be tax exempt and file like CBN and TBN thus creating transparency but willingly choose not to.
Cameron files as a nonprofit but not as a church as noted above.
You can see any the three 990's he has on Guidestar the money raised and expenses.
You know something Mr. Green Jeans, out of all of the bakker zombies that comment here on the Bucket I like you the best. Clear sailing for you too!
Did anyone have any more info on the Pokeberry property?
I searched every registered prop on Pokeberry via tax records to see if the ministry bought the house. NONE of them were in Char Grahmam or Morningside etc. Whose name would it be in or are they perhaps just renting the place???
Thanks Mr. Green Jeans! You were thoughtful and decent. Nice post.
On another note, I watched the Rabbi and Jim the other night, and they are nearly foaming at the mouth at all the miracles and coincidences that are happening. They make it sound like armageddon is right around the corner. But a week ago, it's all about the future - the students and Lori's house. I don't get it.
Thanks Kool-aid-kid, I like your upbeat way of posting. You have that rare ability to balance thoughts with a quick wit. All the regular posters here are exceptionally great bunch of people. They are sincere in their convictions and honest. They have kept me informed with very valid unbendable facts in history.
Just wanted to give a little perspective from someone who has been paying attention to these so-called "celebrity preachers/prophets" since the 1970s.
Not too long ago, I pulled out an old cassette tape from about 1980 made by millionaire preacher/profit (pun intended) Hal Lindsey. In it, he was forecasting a variety of cataclysmic events that were supposed to, as they say, "shake the world.' These events were supposed to happen before the year 2000.
Well, as I'm sure you have guessed by now, NONE of these things happened! I cringed/laughed through the entire cassette tape.
Then there is another so-called preacher/profit (pun intended). Name is Kim Clement. He is from South Africa and wears a mullet hairdo from the '80s with a long, curly mane. I just read that he and his wife take in about 1 million a year for this "ministry." I'm surprised Bakker hasn't had him on.
Anyway, a couple of years ago, I wrote down his Top 10 prophecies for that coming year. One of them was that Eminem was going to become a born again Christian and preach to young people.
I tracked these prophecies (profit-sees) and at the end of the year he cited, NOT ONE of his 10 prophecies had come true!
As for Bakker's profit-see about flooding in New Orleans. Federal agencies had been warning New Orleans for years about the sad state of its levies and about its major and imminent risk for flood disaster. So I guess these agencies were prophets, too?
I wish I could ignore all of these money changers in the temple, but God won't let me. I am not a perfect man, that's for certain, but I am an honest old man.
Jn. 3:16 (my name here)
I Think Bakker and his voodo prophecies touch to man's primitive superstitious feelings. Bakker and preachers like him know this and exploit it to their benefit. If guys like this get to "heaven" well send me to "hell". At least I'll be in better company.
Found Pokeberry and it is registered to Morningside.
How can Jim and Lori justify asking people to buy lambs for Lori's House when they clearly spent hundreds of thousands of dollars of Ministry money buying a freaking lake house?
So, Jim and Lori, if you really really want Lori's House built, sell Pokeberry which is in the name of the ministry and donate that money to build Lori's House
Wouldnt it really be great to get things moving At Loris House by selling the lake house that's in the minstry's name? Come on Lori, you wanna save those babies and you have a luxury condo with a pool, sell the lake house, do the right thing
Folks, let's work together here...Jim and Lori are telling us everyday to support Lori's House.
Can we start a movement to get the Bakker's to sell their lake house and donate the money to Lori's House?
Ron, Tanya, etc, let's find a way to encourage Lori to help save babies by selling her lake home paid for by the ministry.
Surely Lori realizes that the sale of the home would bring in a substantial sum for Lori's house.
She would still have her luxe condo with pool
I betcha Joe C. can use the pool.
to 9:51. It has to make Bakker nervous to hear stuff like that. It is like a thorn in the side, or pinchy tight shoes. Aggravating as hell. If it deflects just a few folks from buying products it's profit lossed. Like a nasty competitor who will not go away.
Why does a non profit need a luxury lake house and who owns the condo?
Joe C. is in Florida now probably on a beach somewhere.
James Orson Bakker had Rabbi "con man" Cahn on and it was so boring I fell asleep while the doom and gloom conversation was going on.
Doesn't the good Rabbi look just like Brutus from the Popeye cartoons!
Tammy Sue looks so uncomfortable on the set expecially doing the commercial for the tents and food. She looks so unhappy and seems to just be there for the money.
To the person asking, I can be contacted at foodbucketfanpage@gmail.com
New blog is in the works but no ETA yet.
Branson Tri Lakes News did a story about the "boost" Morningside gave the local economy with sales tax. They didnt mention the exempt from state and federal taxes...interestingly they do add a reference that may be about POKEBERRY (the house LORI needs to ask the "ministry" to SELL so she can use the $$$ for the LAMBS)
read below
Hudson said there is one other structure, outside the city limits of Blue Eye, that is also tax exempt — a home specifically for the pastor of the church
If Lori reads this...imagine how much more quickly you could build Lori's House if you'd SELL your lake house Lori? Ask Char to have it listed as we realize she runs everything...lol. NOW, PLEASE for the sake of the lambs, sell your lake house if you are serious about building Lori's House
Rabbi Cohn is no more or less boring then any of Bakker's guest and/or entourage. Name me one guest who is interesting? The show had some good guest a couple years ago. I'm talking about Debbie Boone, the Lennon Sisters and Tony Orlando. These, no matter how you like or dislike them have earned the title of celebrity. Not the riff-raff he has on now, talking nonsense and pushing science fiction stories. Even the D list of entertainers, like that guy from Florida who sings and wears a toupee are not around. I don't even know why I watch that show, it must be out of habit. The Morningside bunch just sits and stares, they should get more involved in the entertainment.
I'm really sick of hearing Jim piss and moan about prison.
Jim whines about prison, his sin, etc...well..he knew in 1986 that taggert was stealing hundreds of thousands of dollars and did not fire him.
How could he think he is above financial transparency?
And as for Lori's House, well, Jim and Lori yoiu have a huge condo so sell your lake house and get the ball rolling.
I'm trying not to hateful but Jim reminds me of a family member I have. She drank and gambled her way into bankruptcy was given a homeafter losing hers and still plays poor accepting $$ from family and gambling.
The set with the rolling office chairs is weird. Nothing about Grace Street looks quite right. The chapel looks like cardboard.
BTW--I think Jim has A.D.D. ie the way he talks over people. I almost think he takes a diet pill before they go on the air. Maybe too much coffee.
:(
Did we have a Morningside insider helping a while back? Someone posted who knew the pool location and mentioned the antiques in the Bakker condo?
If you see this, come back and add more
direct.3:16pm- I think that was the man referred to as "Joe C". He used to post "If you were at the live taping..." all the time. He has not posted in a while. He knew a lot of the goings on. w
This came from the BransonTrilake News
Stone County Assessor Brad Hudson said the church is currently the only structure on the property that is tax exempt. The condos, restaurant and other stores are all taxed.
A planned community for single mothers will also likely be tax exempt, as it can easily be qualified as a ministry. The service is expected to be free of charge.
“Any property that’s primarily used for religious worship or ministry would be exempt,” he said.
Even if a church owns a property, it has to meet certain qualifications to be classified as tax exempt.
And when those properties accept donations, they have to show that the money is being put back into the ministry.
Hudson said there is one other structure, outside the city limits of Blue Eye, that is also tax exempt — a home specifically for the pastor of the church.
Hudson said churches are typically allowed one tax-exempt residential property to be used as a parsonage
Sad Man,
Why so ;( ?
Because I ran out of kool-aid!
The other day Jim said there was some horrible curse on America coming soon becuase of abortion.
So, could the Bakker's help out here and sell that lake house and donate the $$$$ to push forward the construction of Lori's House?
BTW--Morningside students..wouldnt you agree that selling Pokeberry Lane and using the funds for Lori's House is a great idea???
In all honesty, I am against abortion.
I will buy a little Lori's lamb IF the Bakker's sell Pokeberry and donate the money to Lori's House. And before some student chimes in, Pokeberry is owned by the ministry..I figured some student would say something bright like they cantr sell it because the ministry owns it. Well, just ask Char, the "owner" of this to call the real restate agent and list it.
Lets see if the Bakkers will join in here...if a foodbucket fanpage member will buy a Loris lamb, surely Jim will sell Pokeberry and use the $$$ for Lori's House.
Rabbi said ancient Israel didnt respond to God with repentance but instead with defiance.
Hmmm....sounds like someone who bitches all the time about going to prison and then gets out and repeats himself.
Jim and family have always said they were screwed out of PTL by Jerry Falwell. Whats interesting is that while Jim talks about the events of 1987 he leaves out 1986.
He was told in 1986 that as much as $215,000 was stolen by David taggert and didnt fire him
Morningside Employees/Students
Let Lori know that if she sells Pokeberry (still leaving her w/ a luxury condo) and uses the $$$$ for Lori's house-someone here will donate money by buying some Lori's lambs.
If Lori is serious about Lori's house, she'll sell HER house on the lake
Ahhh, just between you and me, I don't think she's that serious!
WOW! Just flipped back to Jim Bakker show 1901, Aug 11, 2011
Cindy Jacobs said we MUST give to stop abortion. Ok, Lori, set the standard.....sell Pokeberry and get that seed planted for Lori's House.
Come on Mrs. Bakker, you said it was important.
Master Students, please please direct Lori to this site or tell her what she needs to do
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