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Gord Pedersen: 'How does that Silver Sol shit work again?' |
This is the final post for this episode. If you haven't already read the first part, please click here for
part 1 of Jim Bakker scribbles on Zach, talks junk with Bill Whaley.
I wasn't aware that Dr Gordon Pedersen was the man behind Silver Sol, but he's the one in the commercial so now he owns it in my book. He tells us some gobbledy-gook about his miracle tonic, explaining that the particles of silver are so tiny that they can 'enter a red blood cell'. He says this is good because there's nothing to 'irritate or agitate', and that the particles of silver are just there to 'kill the germs'. I haven't been following the Silver Sol scene, but this sounds very, very stupid to me. Why would anyone voluntarily ingest something that is going to enter their blood cells and 'kill the germs'? How does silver know the difference between a germ and a blood cell? This sounds like an experiment the Japanese would do on Allied POWs to see how long they'd survive. Why would anyone even waste their time with this? It's so stupid it's laughable.
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This is what happens when you follow Jim Bakker's advice |
I did a little looking on this Dr Gordon Pedersen. Don't let the white lab coat fool you, because Gordon Pedersen is not a medical doctor. He has a PhD from a toxicology program which sounds promising, but
in this press release he's billed as the “
Anti-Aging Master Formulator” which causes my quack-alert siren to whoop loudly inside my head. I don't feel very comfortable here, Mr Pedersen.
Didn't this silver stuff turn some guy's skin blue like a smurf not too long ago? I think I'll pass on your miracle tonic this time around. My body already does a good enough job 'killing the germs' and you know what they say: If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I'll tell you what though: When I'm on my deathbed, I'll take a swig and see if it does anything for me. Does it cure dying?
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Jim Bakker's Blue Skin Ointment w/ bonus Amoeba Pot, $88 |
Zach announces a Silver Sol package for $600, then Sasha announces a case of 50 for $900. These packages come with Neti Pots. Why hasn't Jim told us the scary stories involving Neti Pots and brain-eating amoebas? Hasn't he heard about
the people who have died after using them? It's strange to think that nobody on that stage has heard about the Neti Pot amoebas, and it makes me wonder if Jim's hiding the truth a little bit there so as not to cut into his own product sales. Blue skin coloring and brain-eating amoebas...that's two strikes against this Silver Sol package already. Yet Jim Bakker is still selling it with no mention at all about these serious risks? Doesn't sound very honest to me,
Pastor Bakker.
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Lori says "Wow!" while Jim gulps air |
We're out of the commercial and back to the Junk Man Show with Jim Bakker. Jim asks a question designed to lead Whaley into a product demonstration, but the Junk Man's having none of it. These are direct quotes:
Jim: “I've read that you help street people stay warm...One of the biggest problems people are going to have is when the power goes out. How do you keep from freezing?”
Junk Man: “Let's go to the street first.”
Jim: “Okay.”
Jim just has to sit there and take it. He's on the couch, leaning on his knee and staring at Whaley, but he's powerless to do anything. The old coot just keeps going on. For her part, Lori loves listening to this guy. She turns to the camera and mouths the word 'Wow!' as Whaley talks.
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Whaley grabs his papers as Jim dreams of a happy place |
Uh oh, Whaley just stepped over into la-la land. Now he's talking governmental conspiracy against the poor, the homeless, and the 'working people'. He's using the fingers on his hands to count off each targeted group. Jim, you need to step in and stop this now. A man uncovering conspiracy at this level is a man that the government will do everything to silence. The FBI probably has a file as a thick as a book on this Whaley character, hell there's probably agents in your audience right now keeping tabs on him. You don't need this kind of heat Jim, you don't need it!
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The Junk Kook spices things up with conspiracy talk |
Whaley has now reached for a stack of papers to expose a Senate Bill designed, according to the Junk Kook, to outlaw people from growing gardens. Lori's little mind has been blown by this conspiracy. We hear her off-camera saying, "Unbelievable. Unbelievable". With his stack of papers in one hand, Whaley employs use of his other hand to count off even more targeted groups. He's talking farming, saying something about us controlling the food. He then says, '
Guess who else we control?' Then bam, an edit arrives just in time. Just in time to
save Whaley's life, and possibly everyone at Morningside. Whatever information he had was bound to uncover conspiracy at the highest levels of government. They will stop at nothing, Bill, nothing. Now I understand why you live 'off the grid'.
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The Junk Kook's audio was cut. What secrets did he expose? |
The edit was abrupt, and now it goes straight to Bakker. Jim feeds into Whaley's conspiracy a little bit, talking about some weird government crackdown on an Amish farmer selling raw milk. The camera shows Whaley with a smirk on his face while he points to his papers and speaks, but there's no sound because it's an edit job. Wow, I wonder how long he droned on for before the kids cut him off in the editing room? How much more conspiracy is lying on the Jim Bakker Show cutting room floor? Maybe Jim Bakker himself is part of the conspiracy to silence the Junk Kook...you ever think of that one, Bill?
Finally, Bakker has taken back a little control. He moves from the Amish farmer straight into Lori's House, telling us that he's being called 'evil' for building a home to save babies. No Jim, that's not why you are called evil. You are called evil because you prey on the elderly and mentally-incompetent, earning their trust specifically so you can take their money. You are called evil not because you are building a home to save babies, Jim, but because you lie about why people call you evil.
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Bakker: 'Oh my God, I've invited a lunatic onto my show.' |
Jim turns back to Bill and pleads with him, “
We can't get political. They'll put me away, Bill.” That's Jim's way of saying, 'Knock off the soapbox shit and get to the trinkets'. Bakker asks the Junk Kook how we can stay warm if the power grid goes down. Hey Bill, I'll take this one for you. Jim, the secret is layers. Thermals, jackets, whatever you have in the closet. You know the way you're dressed when you go outside in the cold? Just dress like that inside. Add a blanket if you need to. Burn some wood in a fireplace, maybe even roast some marshmallows! Next question please.
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Whaley pouts after Jim shoots down his conspiracy theory |
The Junk Kook was still thumbing the pages of his conspiracy documents when Jim told him to knock it off. I'm pretty sure he's pissed off now because he's acting like a bratty child who was just told to sit still at a Christmas party. He's back to flopping his hands up and down on the arms of his chair, and he has a little smirk on his face. Bill Whaley, a sixty-something man who once flew choppers in Vietnam, is pouting.
The Junk Kook doesn't like being silenced. Without neighbors, he pretty much lives in silence all the time save for his dumpster divin' wife. Deep down inside, I think what Bill Whaley wants are friends, people to talk to and people to listen. Unfortunately, years of living like a mountain man have made him strange. Picking through garbage is strange. Dreaming up conspiracy is strange. If he were a kid, he could break out of that strangeness bubble and live normally like everyone else. But the Junk Kook is already into his sixties. There's no changing a man who's had that much time to become weird. So, the Junk Kook's inner desire for friendship will never be satisfied unless he finds a friend who is also strange. And that'll just make him weirder.
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Bill Whaley angrily snatches bag off table |
Since the Junk Kook is pouting, he didn't accept Jim's first invitation to tell us all how to keep warm. Now Jim has to really prod him into action. Jim chooses his words carefully, saying “
You have so many things, I don't know which ones you want to go to first. Do you want me to pick or do you want to tell me?” That bratty child who was told to sit down is now being told to pick a present and open it while everyone watches. Whaley angrily snatches an empty plastic bread bag off the table. This guy is cracking me up, he's really pissed off that Jim told him to stop with the conspiracy crap. He hoists the bag over his head and, in a condescending tone, asks everyone on stage what they would do with it. He has such a look of disdain on his face as he asks this, he's just dying to point his finger at everyone on stage and call them dummies.
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Bill Whaley: 'I'm holding gasoline in my hand you dummies.' |
After a pause, Bakker says he would throw the bag away. Kevin follows the leader and says he would throw it away too. At this point, I think they want to throw Bill Whaley away with the bag too. The Junk Kook looks down his nose at us and says, “
I'm holding gasoline in my hand.” Kevin Shorey feigns shock at this announcement, and Whaley reiterates that the plastic bag can be converted to gasoline. He once again holds his prized plastic bag up, and then we get a very long, awkward pause. I thought my DVR froze, but nope that's just the deafening sound of silence on stage. Whaley has completely killed any amount of viewer interest in him with his pouting act, and now he's going nuts with the bread bag. Everyone, and I mean every single person on that stage, is on the defensive with him. They've all now realized that he's a lunatic.
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Whaley's 'latex glove': The bane of canines everywhere. |
The plastic bag is not just gasoline, Whaley tells us. It's also a latex glove that can be used to pick up dog 'droppings'. I'm very suspicious of this statement, Bill. Out in my neck of the woods, we don't associate latex gloves with dog crap. We associate them with people crap, and more specifically, the holes where the people crap comes from. Are you bread-bagging your hands and giving rectal examinations out there in 'off-the-grid' land? And who are you examining? There are exactly two people in those woods where you live, plus one unlucky dog. Please don't tell me you're...I just...
don't you dare hurt that dog, Bill.
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Bill Whaley's dog being inspected for worms |
Whaley goes on about the multi-use bread bag. He uses it to store butchered chickens in the freezer, and god knows what else. He also puts his skid-marked underwear, ratty t-shirts and mismatched socks in the bag so they don't get wet. What about bread, Bill, do you ever put bread in the bag?
Bill wears the bags on his feet in the wintertime. He says he puts them on his feet, then puts socks over them to keep his feet warm. You're a military man, Bill. Isn't that a recipe for trench foot? Or do you use the water generated by your sweaty, suffocating feet for brushing your teeth?
Whaley ends his childish tirade by asking a question. With his prized bag once again held up with both hands and a voice filled with utter contempt, he turns to Jim and Lori and asks, “Why would I throw it away?” As he asks, he jingles the bag ends so that the plastic makes noise.
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Jim talks Whaley down off the ledge as Lori daydreams |
Jim got a lot more than he bargained for with this guest. Jim is sweating, oh man is he sweating. He moves to a new question, and as he poses it he sounds like a psychiatrist trying to keep a wild-eyed mental patient from setting himself on fire.
Bakker is really shaken. He says, “Bill, what you're telling us is we can use the things around us to survive. We don't have to lay down and die.” Whaley is folding the plastic bag into a neat square as Jim speaks. Bakker looks to the audience for applause and gets it, and then we see Jim with a look of worry on his face as he gulps down a mouthful of air. Disaster averted, but what's up next?
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Bill Whaley loves knowing more about garbage than we do |
Whaley has lightened up now. The tension was cut by the applause, and now Bill Whaley feels respected again. He grabs another piece of garbage, an empty spaghetti sauce jar. Actually, I wouldn't classify this one as garbage if you have liquids you want to store. It depends on the liquid, of course. I might use it for pickled eggs, while the Junk Kook might use it for urine bombs. Let's see.
God, Whaley is so obnoxious. He has a way of speaking that is demeaning to all around him. Lori picks up on it subconsciously, because now she's referring to him as 'sir'. He's an asshole without justification. He tells all of us dummies that we can use the sauce jar as a measuring cup. He also says that we can use it to serve drinks in. He suggests giving it to children to drink from, so if they break it they “don't break your good stuff.” You know what I would use your glass jar for, Bill? A baseball. I would tee that sucker right up, then shatter it into a million unusable pieces with a baseball bat. Oh hey, give me that bread bag too, it'll make a great noise maker. Just blow it up full of air, hold the open side closed, then clap your hands together quickly. Pop!
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A frozen Jim Bakker tries to figure a way out of this debacle |
Jim is frozen solid on the couch. Lori reacts well to assholes, she likes that sort of leadership, but Jim doesn't. He's not quite sure what to do here.
Now the Junk Kook grabs a 2-liter bottle that he chopped in half. It's not chopped well, it looks like he hacked it in half with a butter knife or clipped it down with nail clippers. I also can't rule out the possibility that he had his wife bite through it. Whaley is finding his groove now. He leans back in the chair and asks, “
What can you do with a 2-liter bottle?” See that's the problem, Bill, it's the way you introduce your items. Stop asking us what we can do with your garbage and just show us instead.
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Plastic bottle that Whaley's wife bit in half |
You ask us questions that you think we can't answer in order to make us feel small. But it's not that we can't answer them, it's that we don't really care. You deal in garbage, the stuff I toss out with a smile on my face. Whenever I have to go back into my garbage to find something that was thrown out accidentally, I don't smile. I grimace and I hold my nose, and sometimes I even ask my wife for help because it's so disgusting to me. When you pose questions designed to make people feel dumb for not knowing the ins-and-outs of the garbage heap, you fail in your quest for friendship. Normal people don't like that.
From the 2-liter bottle, Whaley says he can make a water filter, ice holder, and funnel. Bakker breaks free from his daze and jumps on the funnel idea. Jim grabs the funnel from the table and tells us how we could use it to add gas to our cars if we needed to. Does Jim not know that gas cans come with spouts? I'll go one further: Does Jim not know that funnels can be purchased for a couple dollars at Home Depot? With the dollar Jim gave Lori earlier in the show, they're already halfway down the road to funnel ownership. See how easy that is, Jim?
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Papa Whaley took little Jimmy's funnel toy away from him |
Whaley isn't having any of Jim's gas-can funnel crap. He takes the funnel away from Bakker like a parent taking scissors from a toddler and completely ignores Jim's suggestion. I get the feeling that the Junk Man is thinking, 'Thanks for humoring us buddy, but let's leave the survival stuff
to the experts.' Jim was still talking as Whaley took the funnel back from him, he even looked to his audience for support while stammering out, “
Isn't that a good..good idea?” I hate to say it, but I'm actually starting to pull for Bakker in this fight. Whaley's a total jackass and needs to be put in his place. If Bill were an ass because he doesn't like Bakker, I'd be on his side. He isn't though. Bill Whaley's an ass because Bill Whaley's an ass.
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"...teach a man to fish, feed him for a lifetime." |
Ugh, the Junk Man tells us something about poking holes in the bottle, stitching it with twine, and adding bread crumbs to make a 'minnow catcher' for fishing. What happened to you out there in that Vietnamese jungle, Bill? What did you see that's got you so spooked? You're back home in America now, Bill. You don't need to do this, we are friendlies and you are safe. You can go to the store and buy bait from an honest man who is happy to sell to you. Hell, you can even skip the bait and just buy a fish! Don't worry, you will not encounter any VC here. No land mines, no crushed glass in your Pepsi. Just relax sir and calm down. Now please tell me: Are you carrying any knives or other weapons on your person right now?
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'Wait 'till the Feds get a load of my urine bombs, muhahaha!' |
Whaley is still obsessing over the bottle. He's showing us how he can add one of his black-painted glass bottles inside the larger plastic bottle, fill one of the two with soup (I don't know which), and cook the soup outside in the sun. As he's configuring this thing, it's making all kinds of annoying ripping and tearing noises as he tries to fit everything together. Why Bill? Why would I waste my time? What you are showing us is so unimportant, it really is. If I had a choice between doing all that menial crap to sun-cook my soup, or just eating cold soup...I'll eat cold soup, Bill. Really, I would.
[Bill Whaley] [showing me how to configure the soup cooker] "So you just take this piece here and add this part...wait, hold on, I think I'm missing something."
[Ron] [eyes glossing over] "It's okay Bill, I don't need all that stuff. I'll just eat it cold."
[Bill Whaley] [shock bordering on offense] "Cold soup? Who wants to eat cold soup!? Just gimme a second, there's a piece missing. We'll get your soup cooking in no time!"
[Ron] [looks at watch] "Bill, it's...it's fine. Can I have my soup back please?
[Bill Whaley] [red-faced and aggressive] "No you cannot have your soup back please, I haven't shown you how to heat it yet! Just give me a second."
[Ron] "These aren't seconds anymore, these are minutes now and I'm hungry."
Bill growls threateningly.
[Ron] [laughing] "Why are you getting so upset?"
[Bill Whaley] [screaming] "I'm not upset!"
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Bill Whaley rubs his 40-grit palms together |
Jim refers to Whaley's soup-warming contraption as a 'solar cooker'. I'm not sure that 'cooker' is the right word as I don't think anyone will be sizzling bacon in it anytime soon, but whatever. It gets hot, wow. Bill also says we can take a sand-filled soda can, paint it black, then set it in the sun to make a hand warmer. Ahhh, Bill knows just how to make things nice and cozy on those crisp Ozark mornin's. Bill really lays it on us thick with the hand warmer, even rubbing his hands together as he describes it. The sound his hands make when rubbed together are like sandpaper on a wood deck. Don't let the dumpy looks fool you, because the Junk Man isn't all about business: He's pleasure too.
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The Junk Kook snaps rubber band off yet more garbage |
Jim asks Bill what else he has for show-and-tell. I hope this is over soon because my Bill Whaley Junk-O-Meter is running into the red zone. I'm very near to experiencing a junk overdose, and I'm considering buying a furnace for all of my garbage to prevent it from falling into the hands of the other Bill Whaleys of the world.
Bill asks one of the Master's Media kids to pass him a piece of garbage that's out of reach. It's yet another crinkly piece of plastic. If this guy lived next door to me, he would drive me bonkers. I recycle. I have plastic and glass bottles wrapped up in bags on the side of my house, not stacked, just lying out there nice and clean, awaiting the few times each year when I have time to unload it all at the recycling center. If Bill lived next door, I just know that guy would be breaking my balls every couple weeks or so, asking if he could have my plastic. I'd have to tell him no, but then I'd realize that he's looking at my house and probably rooting through my garbage at night when I'm sleeping. I'd be powerless to stop him. It would drive me nuts.
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The Junk Tornado unwraps loudly while Lori tries to speak |
Whatever Whaley's next piece of garbage is, he has it encased in a plastic bag. Is that to keep it clean? He snaps off two rubber bands from the bag and starts unraveling the treasure inside. Meanwhile, Lori is talking, or at least trying to talk. She's saying something about the Master's Media kids, but Bill keeps driving on with his unpacking. He's like a Junk Tornado: All we see and hear is the crinkling of plastic, rubber bands snapping, and cups or pieces of cups flying about. Whaley's in his zone now, he has no time for Lori's child's play and small talk. Lori's voice trails off as she completes her sentence and stares at Bill, then we all listen and watch for a few awkward seconds as the Junk Tornado finishes unpacking. The ball is back in Whaley's court now.
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Bill Whaley struggling to snug his water filter down tight |
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This is a coffee creamer bottle. I just cut the bottom off of it." Whaley's face is glowing, he loves this stuff. "
I went down to Walmart for $7 and bought me one of those Brita pitcher filters." Bill then drops one of those 'Brita pitcher filters' into his creamer bottle. It's a near perfect fit. Bill pulls down hard on the other end of the filter, you can see the strain on his face as he snugs the filter into the plastic bottle and seats it. He holds it up for us to see and declares proudly, "
Now I got a water filter that'll filter 40 gallons of water anywhere I want to go with it." Bill, my good man...what you call a water filter, I call a smoking gun. Did you know that Jim Bakker actually sells expensive Seychelle water filters for over 3 times the price you just mentioned? In fact, the chair your sitting in was probably still warm from Dr Seychelle's last visit! Don't know who Dr Seychelle is, Bill? Well let me describe him for you, you might like him!
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Detective Bill Whaley holds the smoking gun for all to see |
First off,
Dr Seychelle is not really a doctor at all, but Jim insists on calling him one and the fake doctor doesn't seem to mind. His real name is Carl Palmer. He has a face full of plastic surgery, is the CEO of a multi-million dollar company, and has what might be called a 'trophy wife' who operates as a 'Holistic Dental Hygienist'. That sound like your kinda' people, Bill? Or can I just call you 'Dr Whaley'...it'll make people trust you more!
You want conspiracy, Bill, well you just got one. A real one this time. You are now in competition with the fake Dr Seychelle and his froggy little buddy, Jim Bakker. You are on a show whose sole intent is to sell product. You, Bill, with all your quirks, are still at heart trying to help people. If you thought that's what Jim Bakker was about, you've made a mistake. The Jim Bakker Show is designed for product-sales, not people-helping. Showing people how to make a cheap water filter is a noble effort on your part, but in Jim's calculating mind, why would he give people something for free when he can charge them for it instead?
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Jim got away from the $7 water filter real quick |
Jim's subdued response to Bill's water filter: "
Oh my lamb." Bakker had no idea this was going to happen and I can see the wheels turning in his mind, trying to figure out how to brush this under the rug as fast as possible without people catching on. We get one more sentence from Bill before edit: "
That's how simple it is to have good clean water." Jim says, haltingly, "
It really is. What's next?" Lori is next to Jim with a smile plastered on her face, but I can see her little mind chugging along as well. I'm pretty sure she caught on to the water filter fiasco too, but hell for all I know she's daydreaming about sex and crack-pipes. You never really know with Lori...one minute she's thinking about abortion, the next minute she's thinking about balloons.
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Biker Chick Max tries to remember how much Jim's filters cost |
As I said, a heavy edit took place here. The next time we see Bill he's snapping a rubber band back onto the plastic-covered water filter set that took him so long to unwrap earlier. No statement on this, Pastor Bakker? Shouldn't you be suggesting to us all that we save our money on pricey Seychelle filters and just build Dr Whaley's $7 filters instead?
We're back to Jim's first question about how to keep people warm, and Bakker once again refers to homeless people as 'street people'. Whaley grabs a large tin can and starts pulling metal objects out of it while Jim is still talking. Clank, clink, clunk. I know you're off the grid Bill, but I think someone is eventually going to find you out there because of all the noise you make. Do you get a lot of hungry bears out your way?
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Bill Whaley removes small metal can from large metal can |
The Junk Man is glowing again. I get the feeling he could talk junk, garbage and scavenging all day and night, then continuing on into the morning. Bill Whaley fails among men, but at the garbage heap he reigns supreme. Bill grabs Jim's sharpie, the same one used to write on Zach's forehead, and draws a square on the tin can. He tells us that we can cut out the square of tin, bend it over a stick, and 'put a nail through it' to make a frying pan. I have to say, when Bil grabbed the Zach sharpie and started drawing I was expecting a little more from him then a piece of tin attached to a stick. Let's throw that one out Bill, it's sort of lame. Even a gorilla could figure that one out. And by gorilla, I mean Zach Drew.
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'Scuse me brother, any sausage cans to spare? |
If we want to make a heater instead, Bill tells us to add a couple inches of dirt or sand to the tin can. Then we take a Vienna Sausage tin can, add wax and some pipe cleaners to make a candle. Bill, this one's even more lame. Where am I going to find an empty Vienna Sausage can? Do I need to find a hobo in a train car and rifle through his plaid knapsack while he's passed out drunk? And if I already have wax, wouldn't I also
already have a candle? Bill, did you know they make things called
tealight candles that can be purchased for less than a
twenty cents a piece? You need to get out more and stop handling so much garbage, I think all the toxic metals have started to turn your brain into pudding.
Bill's still driving on with his candle heater. He tells us to place the sausage-can candle into the big tin can, then take a "
big 62 oz juice can", poke holes in it and place it over the top of this unwieldy contraption to make a tiny, ineffective heater. I wouldn't even know what a 62 oz juice can looks like, but Bill has the sucker memorized. You've been hanging around the garbage heap for far too long Bill. Here's a life tip: If you converse with more rodents each day than people, then you need a serious change of lifestyle. It's not healthy for your mind.
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Jim asked the Junk Kook for his thoughts on the economy |
Bakker wants some fear-mongering from Whaley to close the show with. Jim asks the Junk Kook, a man completely unqualified to give answers on, well, anything, if he thinks the dollar is going to 'totally collapse'. Whaley says that this year the 'financial institution' is going to hit everybody and it's going to hit us hard. Jim Bakker, of course, loves hearing the unqualified Bill Whaley predict economic disaster. He looks to the audience and says, "
Now listen to what he's saying people. This is what I've been trying to warn you and warn you and warn you..."
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I'll get by just fine without your plastic bread bag, Bill |
Finally, the show winds down. Bakker asks Whaley to address the critics who call his gimmick stupid. Whaley tells us "
your dollar's gettin' littler every day", and asks, "
What happens when you can't buy this?" Bill, if I'm so stupid that I can't figure out how to stay warm with all the extra clothes in my closet, or how to crack open a can of Campbell's soup and eat it, then I guess I'll just die. That really sums it up for me, I'd rather lose out and die then spend my life living in fear of ridiculous things like roving gangs, dying of thirst, starving, or freezing to death. I'm not a settler on the frontier.
But let's be honest here: The scary world you describe is not going to happen in our lifetime. We don't live in Sudan, we live in America. Among other things, we have police, military, business, and multiple layers of government filled with fellow citizens who have a vested interest in keeping everything under control. The doom-speakers and fear-mongers like Jim Bakker know this too. That's why they take cold hard cash as payment for their products and speaking engagements. They prey on dimwits who've been watching too many scary movies. Think about it for a second: if Jim Bakker really thought the world was going to fall apart, wouldn't he be doing something to prevent it instead of
catering to it?
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How much did Jim Bakker pay for your integrity, Bill? |
Bakker ends the show with one final pitch for his Wheat Buckets. The high hopes I had for Bill Whaley's integrity have now vanished, because Jim tells us that every $100 Wheat Bucket sold today comes with a free DVD of the Junk Kook in action. We see Bill sitting in his chair, twiddling his thumbs and smiling as if he just swallowed a canary. Bill must be thinking that he pulled a fast one over on Jim, but believe me Bill, the only one pulling a fast one in this relationship is Jim Bakker. You are a tadpole swimming with the largest toad in the swamp, and he's been swimming in this swamp for years.
The show ends, then we get a five-minute commercial for foodbuckets.
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Anon "Fatso" @ 324pm
Zach you are both stupid and very predictable. LOL You didn't for a second have me believing you actually would be running around a baseball field. LOL
.... come to think of it I can't imagine you opening a bible either Fat Zach.
So with all the changes in your body mass ratio I would guess you are no longer known as the Bossman right? You are more likely now the Boobman. LOL Get a bra!!!!
Kool-aid-Kids Mom speaking: "Koolaid, you need to put away your toys and take a bath". "Don't forget you have school tomorrow and have to get ready for bed, sweetheart!"
KAK, moronside has plenty of doctors around to keep an eye on zach when he's huffing and puffing on the softball field. the problem is that none of them are really doctors. Dr Seychelle is not a real doctor. Dr Sherlock Bally is not a real doctor. Who was that goofy guy married to kellie copeland? he's not a real doctor either. the whole show is just one big lie-fest
KAK,
Fat Zach's daddy is the only parent who paid for the fake college education his son got. I'm thinking he feels it was a good investment. He got the loser out of the house.
Zach and Jim, = Laurel and Hardy. Jim sprat could eat no fat, Fat Zach could eat no lean, between the both of them they lick everyone's platter clean. lol
To Anon @ 4:03,
At least KAK mom thinks he's a sweetheart. Your mommy thinks your nothing but a loser and kicked your butt out the door. No one wants you but the losers out at morningside. lol
Zombies starting trouble again. Where is your compassion that you profess to have abundance of. Instigators of mean and tactless assaults. What is with you all? Why do you persist in showing your true colors and motives. You incriminate your whole system of beliefs by coming here to provoke us. Drop dead zombonies!!!
Like I said Fatso, you are very predictable. You talk like an uneducated man. Hey, you are!
Yawn. Typical Sunday afternoon. L66 taking pot shots at Kool Aid Kid. Wonder if the corrections system will let zacharoni keep his number or if they'll issue him a new one?
Ok, I'm going to give this a shot. You Trolls who pride yourself on intelligence, MAY be able to get this... the others,no hope.
You trolls, and let's be clear about who the trolls are: the people who are obsessed with Jim Bakker, his ministry, how he conducts it,etc. and spend tremendous amounts of time thinking about, posting about, and trying to dig dirt on him... you know, the ones who STARTED this hate blog and delight in keeping it going... these are the trolls.
Here's some hard facts for you trolls:
Because Jim Bakker preaches forgiveness and restoration no matter what you've done, Jim Bakker does attract weird people, at least weird by some standards. Most of the people there have been 'done dirty' by organized religion, and figured themselves outcasts by the good church people in most denominational churches. Not all, but some. There are some who are squeaky clean and self-righteous like Kelsey (who still posts here under anon), but for the most part, these people are more like you freaks than you know.
Now, because his ministry attracts some people who are not exactly what you would call the status quo, these people often come with a whole shipload of issues. (Not all of the people at JBS are in this group.)
Are you following me, trolls?
So, when these rather, shall we say, colorful characters don't get what they want, or can't do what they said they could do, or have issues that make them one steop out of jail, or aren't treated like they want to be treated (i.e. given big titles they don't deserve and didn't earn, and are terrible examples to everyone there), they act out. When they act out, they get fired... and then they scream to high heaven that it's bad old Jim's fault - the one that gave them a chance in the first place when they couldn't get one anywhere else and have had this pattern repeated over and over in their lives.
Just to be clear, the only thing that makes these people losers is the way they react to direction and correction. They have no humility and they're belligerent and bull-headed. In the end, they end up on 'blogs' like this, badmouthing the man that gave them a chance.
Next, we'll talk about why there will never be any meeting of the minds on this blog.
TBC - and just so we know what that means - to be continued.
Zach you are the tubby " poster man " for all that is wrong about Jim Bakker's Cult. What's on the poster you say? Well, a fat round face with 666 across your dopey forehead. You should be honoured. You did it for the Frog! Be proud, because that silly stupid picture will follow you around the rest of your life. You earned it.
Anon "Long Winded Troll" @ 634pm
Yawn. You know something Long Winded Troll you really are boring.
You know something Long Winded Troll I couldn't help, from the way you comment, but imagine you talking at Moronside with the other zombies. You are kind of a troll / zombie bully right? I thought so. Do you talk like this at the compound?
"Okay, I'm going to give this a shot", will someone pass me another dino cake!!
"Let's be clear" that's my red walker over there. It's mine damn it.
"Here's some hard cold facts", I like praying to Jim Bakker.
"Are you following me", I want my refund for this crappy space food.
"Just to be clear" I'm the boss in my own little world!
"BS... and just so we know what my comment means" - Bull Shit.
KAK - dang man, why don't you hate it that bad when your side does it?
@TBC.
What's wrong with you? All your defenses of morningside and bakker have been and will be discredited. All your fake excuses will be shredded by Tanya and Bro. D. Kool Aid Kid will rightfully ridicule you and your comment will only further the cause of the Foodbucket Fanpage.
No matter how much you want to believe what you are writing, you're following a false prophet and are a brainwashed zombie. No one here is buying the crap you and jim are selling. Go get your jim statue and kiss its forehead goodnight and wait for the commenters to make you look like the fool you are.
I treat all trolls and zombies comments the same, long winded and short like you.
The cause of the FFP is furthered only in the loser troll's minds.
You are wrong Long Winded Troll. Chill. The cause of the FFP is to bring down your frog god.
Good evening everyone!
I have just come on the blog and gotten caught up with all the recent postings in hopes that at least one person, perhaps more, would have elected to address some very serious issues regarding the morality of Jim Bakker which both The Charlotte Observer and PEOPLE Magazine each reported.
As usual, the Bakker crew did not let me down. Not so much as one person...that's a total of ZERO...elected to address one posting to the subject matter I posted about here.
What happened instead? It has been a nice game of Ring Around The Mulberry Bush with more side- stepping and two-stepping than can be found at a hillbilly barn dance.
Can we try this one more time? This time, folks, TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES PRESENTED!!! The issue was first written about by Charles Shepard, an award winning reporter/writer for The Charlotte Observer. In fact, Mr. Shepard won the highest award possible for a journalist to win, The Pulitzer Prize, for his investigative reporting concerning the subject of Jim Bakker. His reporting was, in fact, so good that PEOPLE Magazine elected to republish part of what Mr. Shepard had to say in their article called "Unholy Roller Coaster" which was written by Montgomery Brower. In this article, here is what Mr. Shepard and PEOPLE had to say:
"Shepard recounts that one aide who traveled often with Bakker, a married man, used to give Bakker back rubs that Bakker took as a prelude to masturbation. Though upset and disgusted by his role as Bakker's geisha, the employee explained that Bakker compensated him for this arousal service with an unlimited budget, travel and his assurance that this was God's work."
Now, PLEASE INSERT YOUR COMMENTS CONCERNING THIS QUOTATION IN THE COMMENT BOX BELOW:
Thank-you!
Let's see how long it will take Long Winded Troll to respond to Brother D! LOL :))
Jesus will not only be coming soon, he will have already left and be gone, by the time someone answers Brother D's question! LOL!
Yes probably but this Long Winded Troll is a raging Bakker worshipper. Should be interesting.
Oh great not this lunatic again. TBC, aren't you needed back at the zoo by now?
You just bluster about nonsense as a way of distracting people off topic. And the topic is, and always will be, Jim Bakker. It's not about whether people are Christian, or whether they're following scripture properly when they call out a 'Pastor' on a dumb blog. Jim Bakker, the man that you're spending your Sunday night defending as if you were his smitten wife, is hardly a pastor. He's a proven con man who admitted that he never read the Bible in its entirety until he went to prison. If he masqueraded as a pastor before, what reason has he given anyone to think that he's not doing it now? He'll tell us the same old shit again the next time he goes to prison.
BTW, for your upcoming attempt to discredit me in some irrelevant way, just assume that I'm the most vile human being you can imagine, even worse than Bakker...Does that make my words any less true?
I would not expect Zach to answer it at all. He is, I'm sure, still doing "God's work" to this very day! LOL LOL LOL !!!
Long Winded Troll is lonely and it's no wonder from the way it talks. I bet the Moronside zombie scatter when they see this troll coming. Poor stupid thing ... probably drove it's zombie spouse to an early grave.
It's nice to see so many lined up here to answer Brother D's question, isn't it?
I have a thought that maybe Long Winded Troll has gone for a poop before bedtime and is busy scratching love messages to his frog god on the toliet stall walls.
Hey Kool Aid,
I just hope he has his bread bag gloves on before he picks that poop off of the floor! LOL!!!
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To Anon @ 6:34
In the first paragraph you say you "are going to give this one shot." The last paragraph you say "to be continued." Right from the start you prove you don't know what you are talking about.
In your second paragraph you call those of us who disagree with Jim Bakker's fake ministry as being obsessed trolls. You accuse us of spending lots of time thinking about, posting about, and trying to dig dirt on Jim. (We don't have to dig for dirt, Jim presents it openly, everyday, for all to see on his lousy, boring show.) You Bakker trolls seem obsessed with Tanya, Brother Dortch, Kool-Aid Kid, Ron etc.
Your hissy fit goes on and on, you sure spent a tremendous amount of time on your posting! You come here to assassinate anyone that has common sense. Your hateful rhetoric is meant to discredit the truths exposed about the fraud Bakker and his fraud ministry. You Bakker trolls speak in circles because if you answered any of the intelligent questions posed by the people you attack honestly you would discredit everything Bakker. Your conduct and behavior is reprehensible for so called christians! You prove you are fools who blow hot air and have no substance or redeeming character qualities.
Here are some hard facts for you Bakker Trolls:
Jim preaches forgiveness and restoration only for himself.
Jim Bakker does attract weird people.
The people of Morningside and the Jim Bakker ministry are the dirty side of organized religion. You are the ones who give Christianity a bad name, that is why you are outcasts from legitimate denominational churches.
You prove you are self-righteous hypocrites who think you are Gods helpers in judging people. We know this by what you write here and what you do, or should I say what you lack doing in showing the love of Christ.
You are freaks that are not welcome in the true body of Christ. That is why you congregate in a hideaway in the back hills. You are not status quo and the mental illness does run rampant in your community. The people at Morningside do have a shipload of issues, of that you are correct!
Are you following me troll?
The colorful characters of the Jim Bakker "ministry" and Moringside are mostly unrehabilitated drug addicts, sex addicts, alcoholics, divorcees, etc.
None of you can get a real job in the real world. If you are employed by Jim Bakker or Jerry Crawford, you still don't have a real job! The only titles Bakker's people are worthy of are conmen and freeloaders. You are parasites living off people pensions or the government.
You people are losers who can't take direction and correction. You follow your corrupt leader in this behavior. Jim never followed the program laid out for him by the Assembly of God leadership program for restoration. Worse than not being accountable to the Assemblies of God leadership, he has never submitted himself to Christ's teachings and authority. Jim and the rest of you defending this worthless man have no humility! You show yourselves over and over to be belligerent and bullheaded.
Jim never gives anyone a chance if they aren't committed to serve him like a slave. Smart people don't kiss his butt and stroke his ego. (Or stroke any of his body parts to gain favor). Christians don't lust after their pastor's wife. Christians have Godly standards and don't stoop to the level you all do to be accepted by such a dysfunctional leader.
There will never be a meeting of the minds with the crazy followers of Jim Bakker. Why? Because we trolls of this forum use our minds. You fools burnt yours out on acid, LSD, alcohol and all the other narcotics you have enjoyed through the years. Looking forward to your next post. What you have to say is always good for a big laugh. TBC.....
I would like the record to reflect that I consider it an honor to have my postings placed on the same page as the extremely well written and intelligent post above @9:05 Nice job, to say the least!
Uh-oh, 6:34pm anonymous/TBC doesn't like that I pointed out that the "trolling" is coming from both sides, huh.
If you just want to use the word "troll" for anyone who opposes Bakker's behaviour, that's your choice... it keeps it simple, and perhaps that is exactly what is needed. Easy-peezy, don't need to think.
The weekend draws to a close, and there have been zero useful responses.
Here's a short list of things that have not been addressed (not even near a complete list):
(a) the learning, or lack thereof, that is occurring in the fake school, as evidenced by the recent YouTube video of Zach where the graphic on his shirt is backwards in some of the video.
(b) the deception of the Master's Media Choir.
(c) the glaring lack of any video that shows the students and Jim Bakker helping their neighbors after the Branson tornado.
(d) the relevance of anyone's religious/spiritual beliefs, since this blog is about Jim Bakker's behaviour, and not anything to do with questions about God and/or religion.
Oh, and I haven't forgotten about you, "Justt me" at March 30, 8:33am - you still haven't explained the "kinky sexual thing" that you believe we have with the show.
And, in case you thought I missed you calling me a witch, Justt me, I didn't.
Kind of supports the story about Susan Ruiz told in these comments, doesn't it?
Just for your information: "Cassandra" (as you called me) was, in Greek myth, the daughter of King Priam and Queen Hecuba. Things happened, as they tend to do in Greek myths, but Cassandra was not a witch in the traditional sense of the word. She became known as "Cassandra the witch" in legend, and I think in an animated show (i.e., a cartoon)... but, heck yeah, keep it simple "Justt me," don't worry yourself with things like the accuracy of Greek myths - base your name-calling and insinuations on cartoons.
Just straight-out call me a witch next time, 'kay? Like I said, simple.
Posted by Jay Smith
3-13-12
(Posted on Phil's Blog)
"If you’ve thought about purchasing the Food for Health buckets, I just wanted to let you know that you can purchase this stuff considerably cheaper from Costco. I purchased a couple of buckets but after receiving found that they are loaded with salt. And, my doctor advised against eating this stuff. Luckily, Costo took back with a full refund."
Well TBC, you can't say I didn't warn you. We Bucketeers won't allow you to trash former bakker backers who post here. It really doesn't matter what lame excuses you put forward, your loyalty to jim immediately calls into question your intelligence.
In case you haven't noticed, this blog doesn't really like anything associated with jim. But, go ahead and keep on commenting.
"...Bakker oversold an additional 43,000 memberships, diverting $3.7 million to his own personal use. According to Miller (Jerry Miller -Chief Prosecutor), Bakker used PTL to "cheat people out of their money … [with] a disdain for all those around him."
George Davis, defending, said that Bakker admitted the facts of the case but denied any wrongdoing...
When Bakker's former personal assistant David Taggart, himself previously convicted of fraud, took the stand, he cataloged Bakker's lavish lifestyle: condominiums, houses, mink coats, diamonds, two Rolls Royces, and a Mercedes, all paid for out of donations. (Note: David Taggart, Bakker's top aide, was also one of Bakker's homosexual lovers.)
Further evidence of extravagance came from Steve Nelson, an ex-PTL vice president, who also spoke of warning Bakker about the overbooked vacation deals. "I told him that I thought we had some big-time problems. I specifically said, "Someone could go to jail for this.' He told me not to worry, that there was always room at the inn." Seconds after giving his testimony, Nelson collapsed in court...The next day it was Bakker's turn to require medical attention. He had been found beneath a desk in his lawyer's office, huddled in a fetal position, apparently hallucinating. "Please don't do this to me," he sobbed, as he was led away in shackles for psychiatric evaluation.
One week later Bakker was back in court to hear former aide Richard Dortch agree with prosecution contentions that the partnerships had been a classic "pyramid scheme." Dortch quoted Bakker as saying, "There's no limit to the amount of people we can offer them to, because I can control the crowds of people as they come."
(Note: The following is referring to Bakker's testimony on the stand:)
...He started out in control, but the longer he remained on the stand the more his composure frayed. Incontrol, Prosecutor Deborah Smith lashed him for continuing to receive million-dollar bonuses, despite knowing that PTL was financially troubled.
"I said to them (The PTL Board) not to give me the bonuses many, many times," insisted Bakker.
"And then you cashed the checks and used them to buy houses many, many times," Smith replied icily.
Alluding to $600,000 in bonuses received over six weeks in 1986
..."How about truth?" Smith shot back. "Did you ever tell them the truth of what the financial situation was?"
His voice dropping to a whisper, Bakker went on to blame Jerry Falwell and other evangelists for the PTL debacle. "The real conspiracy to defraud came from the group of people who took over the ministry for their own gain."
In closing, Smith (Deborah Smith - also Chief Prosecutor) told the jurors, "What you have here is a pyramid on the brink of collapse, a house of cards ready to fall." She concluded by quoting Lord Tennyson: "A lie which is half a truth is ever the blackest of lies. Mr. Bakker is a world-class master of using half-truths."
...On October 5, 1989, the jury returned a guilty verdict...Those who expected Jim Bakker's trial to titillate and tantalize came away disappointed. There was hardly a mention of his affairs. Wisely, the prosecution concentrated on Bakker's greed and hubris. Measured against his indifference to those he bilked, any other diversions would have seemed irrelevant."
I like the remark in the above comment.
"A lie which is half a truth is ever the blackest of lies. Mr. Bakker is a world-class master of using half-truths."
I'm guessing the Chief Prosector has seen them all and has reserved that great line for only a very few criminals.
The devil must absolutely love what Jim Bakker is doing and of course the devil knows that a half truth is a whole lie.
I don't know why you are so fixated on me, TBC. Out of the hundreds and hundreds of postings since our last exchange, you've noticed that I have not used my blogger account to comment, and you feel like you can attribute anonymous postings to me. This is the second time you've mentioned me.
TBC (Long Winded Troll) thinks it's a troll bully.
"Mr. Bakker is a world-class master of using half-truths"
If Chief Prosecutor, Deborah Smith, were standing next to
me right now and would allow
me to, I would give her a great
big hug and definitely a kiss
on her cheek. She knows him well.
Very well!
Addressed to 3:11, Ah shut up! I can understand the people who recycle their own cans, they are doing the proper thing. It is the compulsives like yourself who annoy me. You're the type of guy who slams on his brakes in major traffic cause you went by a discarded beer can and cent signs light up in your mind, causing accidents. I know people like you who spend 20 dollars worth of gas on a Sunday afternoon collecting cans amounting to 5 lousy bucks. The "Junkman" in this blog is better then you and you put him down. For once and for all leave the cans on the street for the homeless, they use that to eat daily and survive think of it as charity you twisted bastard. You're like a damn horder, greedy, money is your God.
I've only seen the first 3 minutes or so of the most recent show in my area - but already a couple of interesting things.
Grandma Maxine is sitting on the stage. Its no longer sufficient to have her sitting at the front, and getting her to taste the food, sample the ground wheat, call her "baby"... what do you think Jim wants her to fund?
Jerry Jones is also on the stage. Lori said that Jerry works 7 days a week - just like Jim does.
Oh no, Lori! Remember when the Rabbi was on the show, and Jim said God spoke to him when Jim was put in jail, and God said that Jim was going to spend one day in jail for every Sabbath day he did not rest? And now Jim isn't resting on the Sabbath day - he's working 7 days a week again?
Is it at all possible that just maybe Jim lied about that whole jail and Sabbath relationship? That maybe he said that because it fit in with the book he was selling, and diverted from the documented reasons he went to jail?
I guess we'll all have to decide for ourselves.
Tanya,
It is said that to be a good liar you have to have a good memory, but Lori's memory capability has been destroyed by too many drugs and the result is she is lousy liar. LOL what a circus.
Bakker tells his brood to eat "bucket food" while he dines on Clams Casino, Champagne, Lobster, Prime Rib, Caviar and Oyster's Rockefellow. When they complain the tells them to "Eat Dino cake". I bet I know how this will end>
Oh my goodness 10:45, is that the best argument your feeble little mind can come up with! lol You tell me to shut up like a spoiled little rotten child who needs to stomp his feet, have a temper tantrum, all in order to win a pointless fight! You're the idiot that brought up collecting garbage in the ditch. You criticize hard working people. The slugs following Bakker know nothing of how to make a honest living! You really go off on tangents! Slamming on the brakes to collect beer cans, really is that the best you can do! I never put down your junk man but since you brought him up, he dives for plastic soda containers. Jeez, you people who come to Jim's defense are so weird. Do you know that the homeless people collect the cans to earn money to eat because you were one of them? You sure have a foul mouth for christian. You know nothing about me and you certainly don't know anything about how I feel about God. It's clear you are nothing but a loser who is guilty of all that you accuse me of. Crawl back into your cage and sleep this one off.
Oh good grief. The nasty little Foodbucket trolls are sure gnashing their teeth today, aren't they?
You can almost smell them... if it weren't for the smoke.
TBC
Hey Dortsch, when did Jim fire your sorry arse?
Did you get another job, or are you satisfied with being a career flunkie?
Your unemployment must have run out by now.
Come on, Dortsch, get up off them spare tires and get a job. I'm tired of you leeching off me.
Hey bro dortch. Me(Ariel), Saha, Lori, and a few other Morningside gals are cumming over to Gilbert's tonight. The weathers great today, and we're all wearing string bikinis. The rumor here is that your really well endowed, yaaaay! Feel free to put some of your salami all over our pizza, go easy on the white sauce, mmmmm. I never masterbate, so I'm all horned up for you, be ready... kisses.
12;16... You're the baby, I've seen guys like you many a time get into actual fist fights over a discarded can, like two seagulls over a piece of rotten fish. You even have to insert a nail in a broom handle, your big gut prevents you from bending over to pick up the can. And you say I don't know you.....I know you better then you know yourself. The only reason guys like you volunteer to clean up the neighborhood cause you get to keep the cans and take home the free leftover donuts to your fat wife. Am I wrong?? Damn right I'm not!! Next time you find yourself in the gutter wipping the dog doo off a can you'll think of me and say> Damn, that fellow was right. What have I become???
Long Winded Troll @ 1230pm
Too much drama for you Long Winded Troll? You must be such a joy to live with at Moronside.
"You can almost smell them". Oh good the next batch of Dino cakes are ready for sale at the bakery! Oh joy!!!!
"If it we're for the smoke" and mirrors Bakker would have an honset tv show. OOOOOOOOh the drama!
"Oh good greif"Charlie Brown!!!!
Don't be confused Long Winded Troll that was my post above.
Oh the drama!!!!!
Stuff like this is good for a site. Sick of hearing about Zach and how great he is, and what a genius he is.
Thing I don't get about Bakker is how can he be poor. If that article above is true with all the perks and bonuses he recieved while at PTL he must have squirreled away lots of cash, offshore someplace. That's how guys like that operate. They put away millions for a rainy day. And also these Board Chairman who OKed the big bonuses and raises for bakker when he was in his prime. I'll be the ones not dead or retired still are associated and have their fat greasy fingers in some religious pie somewhere. That's why I think all this Evangelical stuff is so much hogwash!
lol @ 1:35
Big fool as I said you know nothing!!! You know me better than I know myself, lolololo That is why you don't know I am a woman, lolololol. Typical Morningside idiot, you know nothing, but you spout off and prove your ignorance anyways. You haven't heard the saying "better to be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. I would suggest you memorize that thought and repeat it to yourself over and over. I do know that will be stretching yourself to learn something with intellectual value!
Are you speaking from experience about the big gut hanging hanging over your pants. Now be a good boy, go drink another beer and add to that gut, then get back in your cage, and like I said before, sleep this one off.
Anon "porno" Zombie @ 1255pm
Gals? Don't your mean moronside whores? You are a perfect example of what it would be like to be a teenager living in a place like the moronside old age home out in the hills. Jim would be upset about seeing you comments ...... or would he? LOL
That is one big screwed up fake Bakker college you have there!!! LOL
Bakker owes a lot of thanks to Lori. Without her I could see him coming on TV sporting Rolex watches and expensive Italian suits, and showing pictures of the new Cadillac he bought and all kinds of elaborate and expensive toys. She keeps him in check and reminds him of the repercussions of showing off too much too soon. she is shrewd and cagey. If not for Lori he would have been off the aire a couple years ago.
Kool-aid-Kid wishes you girls would have invited him. He's jealous. He hates Zach cause the girls think he's sexy, like the big guy who played on "Roseanne", John freedman.
Hillbilly "Drunk Again" @ 135pm
You know when you say "your the baby" you have to remember that you are making a reference to a female. Right? Right? Good, here's some dino cake for you. Good hillbilly. Then after saying that you say, "I've seen guys like you ... blah blah blah". Do you see where you screwed up your logic? You do!! Good hillbilly, here's some more dino cake. Now stay of the moonshine okay because it clouds your thinking more than going to Bakker's church.
Anon "Bored To Tears Bakker Student" @ 252pm
Yup. More IQ flowing from your mind? again. LOL
To 12:40,
What are you doing on this blog? Don't you have a job to go to? Have to have a career to be a career flunkie. So sad for you that you don't have enough intelligence to even get a job, let alone pursue a career! The past graduates of Jim's fake school are waking up to the reality they wasted time at Morningside. If your are a student now you will have a rude awaking just like the rest of the kids that left that program and had no where to go. No training to get a decent job, all for a mere wasted $8,000!
You Bakker trolls just can't resist, you keep trying to prove some point about Brother Dortch. If Brother Dortch is who you say he is, and he got fired from the JB failure ministries, are you proud of that? It's really wicked to keep attacking people that you branded witches, or lazy, or whatever your definition is for people you ran out of that hellish christian community of yours.
To all the folks that got run out, or woke up and ran away from Morningside, congratulations to you all. It must be a relief to no longer be in the company of such negative people.
Kool aid: You're.. not Your!!.....You dumb bastard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anon " Mad As Hell Hillbilly " @ 303pm
Sit! Sit, I mean it. Good. Now listen to me for a minute. You're drunk and need to sleep it off okay? No more cake for you if you're going to swear at me! I'd love to call Jim Bakker that too!
Dino cakes are great. The best are banana and carrot. I love the banana with vanilla ice cream, almost like a sundae.
lol@ 3:03,
You're defending Jim Bakker and also putting KAK down at the same time for a simple typo error! That takes foolish to a whole new degree! I would ask you if you never make mistakes, but since you are a Jim Bakker troll no need to ask! A person who follows Jim Bakker is making a huge mistake and has no right to call someone out for something so trivial.
Name calling, using swear words, just what we would expect from a Jim Bakker christian!
You know "Made As Hell Hillbilly" if your in for a little fun why don't you fall through the door at Gilberti's Pizza tonight. There will be three real skanky bakker zombies there and they will get along with you perfectly. Have fun and believe me I don't want to hear any details on how your night went. Suggestion: drink a bottle of whiskey before you go. You'll understand what I mean when you see them.
back at 3:36. We are zombies you guys, you, kAK, craig, tanya, BroD are the trolls. Get it. Great. allright, salight! Have a big T stamped on your forehead might help you to remember. I'll be happy to brand it for you there!!lol lol lol lol
Charlie's, er jim's, girls will be bringing their own cottage cheese with them tonight. Ooops, I justqmade myself gag.
KAK puts down Gilberti yet works for him making pizzas and doing dishes. Case of biting the hand that feeds you. KAK is the one in the kitchen who wears the "GILBERTI's ROCKS" hat and the "New Kids on the Block" Tshirt.
Anon "Confused Idiot" @ 345pm
"We are zombies"
Really?... No cake for you!
"you, kAK, craig, tanya, BroD are the trolls"
Really? .... No cake for you!
"Get it" ..... No cake for you!
"Great." ...... ???? Okay. Are you done?
"salight!" ...... what?
"Have a big T stamped on your forehead might help you to remember" ..... Ohhhh, like the frog did to stupid zach? No thanks.
"I'll be happy to brand it for you there!!lol lol lol lol " .... No thanks, I'm still laughing about zach's 666
LOL LOL LOL LOL
Wow!!!!!, it's Jim Bakker's fake college student back again @ 354pm. Finally pushed yourself away from the feeding trough eh fat zach?
If Whaley was not bald he could use the bread bag as a shower cap. He might try in a pinch using the bread bag as a condum. There are a million things you could do that the junkguy has not said.
What has happened to this blog??????? I feel we are straying from some important discussion. Do we really need to be conducting ourselves like this?? Let us get together and bring down the fraud.
HLTH 401. Advanced message therapy.
This class is open to students 18 and older.
Instructor : jim bakker
Class times may vary due to jim's advanced age and the effectiveness of Viagra.
Learn how to give back rubs that will advance your standing within the morningside community. Be aware that students are advised to take a long steady approach to this class or they may be subject to early expulsion.
Would anybody like to, finally, discuss the employee of Jim Bakker who traveled with him often and decided it was a good thing to do "God's work" while on the road with Jim? I have provided author Shepard's quote twice on this blog and still not one response. Will at least one of you read the quote and comment on whether you feel this is appropriate behavior for what is supposed to be "a man of the cloth and humble servant of God for 50 years"? We are here and waiting for what you have to say about this very serious matter. Pretending it did not or does not exist proves nothing except that you are afraid to discuss it!
Brother D you may get some direct answers tonight. Why?
"Long Winded Troll" is with his poet zombie friend this evenings taking in a theatre production of "Cats". Oooooooooooh the drama.
Mmmmmmmmmmmmeow!!!!!
"Bakker Fake College Zombies" are looking mighty skanky tonight and are chowing down at their fav pizza place.
"Fat Zach" is busy looking up the course that Craig announced, HLTH 401. Advanced message therapy.
"Mad As Hell Hillbilly" has past out in the ditch somewhere between his home and Gilberti's Greasy Pizza.
Dortsch, you gone a while today. Did you have to flip some burgers for a while this afternoon in your part time minimum wage job?
Bad job for you, Dortsch. Your spare tires don't need all those sliders you down when nobody's looking.
@6:36 zombie
Don't be making fun of burger flipping jobs. You'll be scrambling for one of those with your morningside fake school certificate.
Classic Jim Bakker Fake College Zombie
Zach, you gone a while today. Did you have to flip some burgers for a while this afternoon in your part time minimum wage job?
Bad job for you, Zach. Your spare tires don't need all those sliders you down when nobody's looking.
The feds were raiding all the cannabis clubs here in Oakland(california for all you inbreds) today, they shoulda been raiding Morningside.
Is our Justice system so overwhelmed, so blind, so ignorant that we are allowing people like Bakker to operate in the way that he is?
Are we all so blind and wrapped up in our own tunnel vision that we can not find some statue, some law that can put him behind bars again?
How is he able to get away with what he is doing??
I foresaw Zach's idiotic postings. Tammy Sue will be a much better host for the program and she won't bother posting here. My ministry is all about love and I love Zach more than any silly traveling secretary. However, my daughter can sing as well as Kevin and she would never let me write 666 on her face. I'm not sorry for the "L"on on Zach's forehead. It was God making my hand move to write my prophecy.
Watch the con man closely. Whenever he starts to tell a lie, he brings a finger to his mouth.
So, do we need the new generator to survive in the woods or are we going to need it to plug our washing machine in. This is all in the word of God with tax exempt status. A tidal wave will over take the Eastern seaboard but good news people.... OUR BUCKETS FLOAT
With your love gift you will receive our builders club card. You will have first dibs on your safe haven here at Morningside. I would guess that would mean if you came to the gates without a card, you would be turned away?
If anyone needed further proof that trolling can come from *both* sides, i.e., Bakker-supporters engage in trolling behaviour as well, just look at the April 2, 3:03pm comment. Insulting someone over a misspelling/typo/grammatical error falls into the trolling realm. A Bakker-supporter posted those definitions in the first place, remember?
The Bakker-supporters are adamant that those of us who do not agree with Jim Bakker's behaviour be called "trolls" (e.g., 3:45pm - note: it also seems important to 3:45 that s/he be called a 'zombie' which makes little sense to me).
I see 2 main reasons for the automatic assignation of "troll" to anyone who questions Jim Bakker: (1) an inability to think and decide what is a trolling comment and what is not, (2) a need to have a derogatory name for anyone who opposes what Jim Bakker is doing. And, there is a sub-point to #2 -> (2a) a deep need for Jim Bakker to be in the right, due to a deep committment to Jim Bakker himself.
Nobody wants to answer any of the questions about Jim Bakker that have been raised in the past 3 days. But people do want to post ridiculous nonsense.
The only conclusion is that there is no defense of Jim Bakker's behaviour. There are no answers. There is nothing that supports what is going on at Morningside.
There are people in Blue Eye Missouri that have roots that go back generations in this area. They are using all of the resources they can, are doing what they can to stop these people from doing what they are doing. Do NOT be suprised if Blue Eye Missouri becomes Morningside Missouri. I feel for these good people. It amazes me that an entity of 5 people are running the show. It is of my opinion that the Government, (and I say that lightly), is very much in the pocket of jim and jerry. Just ask any one of them how their budget has increased since bozo came to town. It has been made very clear, the city council has the final say.............
When a man shakes another mans hand, and gives him his word, and renigs in a phone call 2 days later, (with an attitude I may add),
is that being neighborly or is that showing another loophole was found?
I would like to make it clear the Government I was refering to in my previous post, is the Government of Blue Eye Missouri
Ron,
Where are you?
If anybody is interested, there is a boil getting ready to explode down here in these hills. Seems like different people have different ideas of what it means to be a good neighbor.
I am looking to buy a piece of property within the city limits of Blue eye. If anybody following this post knows of anything available, please let me know. joemamayankee @ yahoo.
No Nonsense: your post made me miss Ron! ;)
Wherever Ron is, I hope he is enjoying his time off.
sounds to me like the state attorney general needs to find out what's going on with the city council of blue eye...also, don't underestimate the power of the media to properly expose corruption...good luck!
It is of my assumption that both of those avenues have been contacted.
After much consideration, I have come to the conclusion that I must take the appropriate and legal steps to become the next Mayor Of Blue eye, Missouri.
Grandma Maxine said...
What a coincidence that a few days after Jim prophesized that Tammy Sue would come out of hiding, she appeared on the JBS. Todays show made me laugh more than any other.
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I was too! The shows that have followed are some of the best I've seen...Plus you know Zack and the rest are freaking because Tammy Sue just moved to number one in line!
An accessory to a crime is any individual who knowingly and voluntarily participates in the commission of a crime. An accessory is not typically present at the scene of the crime, but contributes to the success of the crime before or after the fact. A person charged as an accessory to a crime before the fact is one who incites, abets, or aids a person in the commission of a criminal act. An individual who is an accessory after the fact receives, shelters, comforts, relieves, or assists a felon after the crime has been committed. A person can be an accessory if they provide any support or assistance, whether financially, emotionally, or factually.
When crisis comes, this is your friend. No, he was not pointing at a bible, he was pointing at the generator
Ron is posting under anonymous because I recognize his style.
KoolAid...I enjoy your comments. You are very funny and even though the zombies try they are not in your league.
I was going to comment, but you and the others have said it all so well. I'm going to have a beer and watch Tammy Suzie Q belt out a song. Oh yeah! This show has Bakker fake crying and gagging. Bakker is wearing his shoe lifts. Ron referred to them as "soup cans" so funny.
Thank you for letting us know you have 1000.00 worth of food in your freezer Jim. I guess we won't have to ambush the trucks, we will just hit your parsonage.
Things got a touch theatrical on the show - got to watch a bit more than the 3 minutes I commented on earlier.
The medical doctor (forget his name) said his books are about getting prepared and *not* about generating fear - good old Jim pipes in: yes, yes, if you are prepared you don't have to be afraid.
Not be afraid? That's not like Jim at all. He banks on fear to motivate people to buy. What is happening?
And then - boom! In a snap we returned to our normal reality. The doctor is reading out one of Jim's favorite fear-generating passages - the one about re-building - and the lights go out, then thunder, then lightening - then an evacuation siren! What is going on? But Jim doesn't look surprised... the students don't stop recording, Ricky leans over to hug Zach, Zach pulls a stupid face... then the noises stop, and Jim says calmly: it can happen that quickly.
Jim Bakker, you outdid yourself. You really did. Talking about roving gangs coming to steal peoples' food wasn't enough, you had to put on a display worthy of a high-school play.
But wait, there's more! Jim moves the planter and there is the generator! The generator saves the day! *Jim's* generator, the generator Jim named - they have light, they are safe. Thank goodness, I was really worried for a second.
Grandma Maxine had her part to play - we know she has her own generator because Jim said they would set it all up for her. If Grandma Maxine can use it, then anyone can seemed to be Jim's condescending message. Oh, and she also demonstrated how an electric blanket will keep you from freezing to death.
I don't know what happens at the end, haven't gotten there yet, but really... does anyone out there still doubt that Jim uses fear to sell?
Still not one comment from the Bakker bunch about the question I put on the table. None. I feel as though we need CPS (Child Protective Services) to go to Morningside and watch over Zach and the crew to make sure they are behaving. I see and read nothing here but immature juvenile behavior. So much so, in fact, that I will not be responding to the kids until they grow up and learn to act like grown adults as they continue to make fools of themselves here in an adult forum.
If someone with intelligence and brains wants to act like an adult and discuss the issues then I am ready. In the meantime, I post the issues and the only ones who respond to the issues are the intelligent non-Bakker supporters who have demonstrated more brain power in their little finger than Zach and his juvie crew have in their entire fat and alcohol & drug ridden bodies!
P.S.--I support Joe C for Mayor!
Brother D, I just want to tell you that your comments on the Bucket are always to the point and articulate. Don't give up in your hopes for answers. Consider yourself like the SETI scientists that patiently await an intelligent message from a far off planetary system. Who knows, maybe today will be the day for SETI and you? As for me I look forward to the slumbering Bakker zombies to rise up from their moronside crypts and go toe to toe with them for another day. I've baked another batch of "dino" cakes and will gladly hand them out if the zombies are deserving.
Cheers Brother D. !
Oh, I almost forgot,
I support Joe C. for Mayor!
wow Kool-Aid Kid
those zombies are really trying to get at you.
burnjimburn,
There are some very awesome Bucket supporters that can take a Bakker zombie and pull them apart like warm bread. Their zombie leader is their own worst enemy. Me? I poke at Moronside zombies and sometimes feed them if they behave.
The only way to get Morningside investigated is to bring to someone's attention the claims he makes about Silver Sol. If you go in the video archives on Jim's website and watch show #1921, Jim, Lori and the "doctor" all make claims that Silver Sol can PREVENT the infection of the swine and bird flu when taken daily. The "doctor" goes on to say that Silver Sol both cured and reversed the effects of the flesh eating MRSA virus in his sister. Then, scrolling across the screen is a list of all the ailments Silver Sol can treat, from acne to seizures.
This sort of false and misleading information is what can and will be investigated, which will lead to further inquiry about the finances at Morningside.
The other product that Jim sells using outrageous claims are the radiation reducing water filters.
No lawmaker is going to bother spending tax payer dollars to investigate the things that bother us - the things that are morally or ethically wrong but are not illegal. However, there are a few different entities you can contact to complain about Jim's misleading and illegal sales pitches.
BroD wants answers but tap dances when the question is put to him, "Why were you fired from Morningside?". The way he talks Morningside is wide and open leading to the conclusion that you have to really screw up to be tossed from there. The only troll with any amount of intelligence is Kool-aid-Kid, he explains himself very well, is well read, knowledgable, and witty also he appeals to the young generation.
JoeC couldn't be an effective Mayor of Buggtussle. He had a meeting with Bakker, Bakker's office surroundings impressed the hell out of him and now he wants to be a big shot too. Again, another troll who thinks the world revolves around them.
Careful KAK, if your boss catches you making "dino" cakes instead of pizzas you'll be out on the street again. Just looking out for you.
Mad Hillbilly
You don't have to keep that name ... I quickly made it up yesterday. But if you like it keep it and I will always know you. Thanks for the laugh, really.
I must be confused. I didn't think Bro D was a disgruntled former employee because he's given a lot of behind the scenes information on the taping of shows that haven't aired yet. My thought was that he was still at Morningside in some capacity.
Anon@1014am
The "fog of war" is alive and well on both sides, or should I say "frog of war". ;)
Anon@1014am
Keep in mind that moronside do live tv show broadcasts that can be viewed at the frog's website on scheduled dates. In that capacity you can view unedited live shows ahead of aired shows. That will explain even me knowing what's possibly coming up the flag pole on future Bakker tv shows. Does this help explain?
One thing none of us can deny in Bakker. He is a strong friend of American Jews and Israel, I give him credit for that, with things in the world the way they are, we are lucky to have Israel as an ally. And Bakker does not let his viewers forget that. Keep an eye on these radical and fundamental Muslim fanatics. Can I get a right on from the trolls on that one.
Yes that's very true.
@10:14 BroD is in reality, a very disillusioned and depressed Kevin Shorey, with a chip on his shoulder at the popularity and status of the "johnnie come lately" Zach Drew.
Anon 50/50 Zombie @ 1259pm
I agree with you that Kevin appears confused with his role with the Frog. As I have said before, when the Frog announced the musical "drought" on moronside I think it took the wind out of his sails. Reality is not an abstract concept that one can figure out by one's comments that are typed. So, no dino cake for you silly zombie. Further more, the only popularity that will haunt that useless piece of fat will be the pic of his silly face with 666 across his forehead. Laughable. Silly looking. Ridiculous. Thank you Frog. Thank you.
Kool-aid-Kid: You been taking "smart Pills" lately????
Hello everyone!
If any of you care to examine any postings I have ever written on this site you can, and will, see that absolutely no place on here have I ever...not even once...mentioned or even alluded to...my personal life. Why? This is because:
a) This is a forum about Jim Bakker and not me
b) I am not a "public figure"
c) I am not, and never have been, a "Pastor"
d) I do not possess now, and have never had, a federal tax-exempt status therefore I do not now, and never have, ever raised funds in God's name causing me to make riduculous claims like the wearing of a "sleep wristband" can correct the frequencies in your brain and give you a better night's sleep.
The rumours about me posted here came about when I was seeking answers to a multi-million dollar fraud known as "Kevin's House" to which I, to this very day, have received not so much as one answer from any Bakker supporter.
Some genius decided that, in lieu of posting an answer about "Kevin's House," they would post some statements such as:
"I suspect you are..."
"I think you are..."
"I imagine you are..."
"You probably are..."
and, exactly what happened with Susan Ruiz, next proceeded to happen to me. The suppositions immediately went from guesses to fact and were picked up on by totally and completely desperate Bakkerites who, when unable to answer my postings, decided that launching a personal attact against me would deflect the real issues on the board when the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth is that not so much as one person from Morningside who posts here knows who I am. I have been "Susan Ruiz-ed" by these cult-following zombies because, when you have brains, the only way out, they feel, is in a personal attack.
Unfortuneately, since I have not been granted a tax exempt status and since I am not a public fugure or a pastor, I can remain a private citizen and sleep well at night knowing I have not defrauded one person out of one dime.
I have even read here that, one very misguided and totally ignorant soul, even said that Jim Bakker gave me my start and next proceeded to give a run down of my employment history and life as a Christian which, once agan, all began with rumours spread when I asked questions about a three-million plus dollar fraud known as "Kevin's House". Absolutely 100%of everything I read about myself here was then, and still is, 100% false.
The truth is that absolutely none of the Bakkerites have any idea who I am and simply choose to guess their way into posting dreamt up replies which, much like taunting Susan Ruiz, seems to put their cult following hearts and minds at ease.
On the day you see me on television, using the public's airwaves which are regulated by the FCC, selling fraudulent items and lying to the public, then you can either open up this forum to, or begin a brand new forum, to exposing fraud in my life. In fact, I feel so strongly about that statement, I would (unlike Jim Bakker) even come to such a forum and gladly contribute to it. However, so long as I live and act as a private citizen and remain a non-public figure, I will post here, just like everyone else, with a reasonable expectation of privacy because that is what any non public figure is entitled to.
It is frustrating to spend so much time wanting to address real issues and debate, only to discover the only Bakker supporters here are immature young children who remind me exactly of the type of personalities I experienced when I finished grammar school and found myself in the seventh grade. To think these kids are, at least in Zach's case, over age 21, is downright scary. One day they will be gone from Morningside and will have no job in media. They will think about what was said and posted here. Maybe then, rather than act like a seventh grader, they can come back here and say "Thank-you Brother D and all the rest of you for what you taught me".
If this blog is read by one family member and keeps one elderly person out of Morningside per year then it is well worth it to me. I feel I have helped do some wonderful and great work to better protect society from criminals like Jim Bakker. If one young person per year reads this blog and says "Nope, I sure don't want to go to a fake school there, in Blue Eye, now that I know what I found out on The Foodbucket!" then I will be happy knowing I have joined with some very intelligent and good people and have made a positive difference in people's lives.
Bro Dortch we have already answered your question and have given you 2 examples of success stories from former MMC students, so give it a rest already.
Joe C. we have condos available here and it would be a pleasure to have you as a resident at Morningside. There are also parcels of land available so please call 417-779-1000 for details.
You have NEVER seen me selling love gifts. I was in a production grinding wheat and baking bread and pancakes in the restaurant kitchen.
It must be hard for Kevin, he looks displaced. I get embarrassed for him, he looks like he's lost. He doesn't belong with the kids, He doesn't seem to belong with Bakker. Maybe if he wore an eyepatch and shaved his head he'd fit in with Bakker, got a tatoo or something. He seems like a big loveable guy with a good honest way about him. I wish he'd get his own show like Mondo has, at least Kevin can be trusted.
Ariel??@143pm
Bakker's Moronside is like a capped sewer system that is slowly pressurizing. Crap goes in ... pressure rises, ect. Over time the system will breakdown and explode and everyone associated with Bakker's dirty money will have shit on themselves ... some more than others. How fast can you duck Ariel?
The above poster is not Ariel Annise Baker and is also not true. Ariel has allowed her image to be used for the selling of the fuel-less generator and is shown plugging the device in and operating it in a Bakker sales video.
Just because you do not enter the bank and stick a gun in the teller's face does not mean you are not guilty of robbery. If you are awaiting in the getaway car you are just as guilty and will be so charged. If Ariel told Jim Bakker: "No, I am not selling anything and no, do not use my image to sell anything," then she would, like Nate Parkhurst and Charlet Wintercorn, be immediately run out of the fake college quickly.
Also, the image of Ariel Baker, is also being used to sell the fake college in promotional videos and it is her photo, and her photo alone, that can be found on the very cover of the fake college's brochure that is sent to prospective students.
Regarding Nate Parkhurst & Charlet Wintercorn: Neither of them have secured media jobs because of attending Morningside and both of them, rather than being touted as success stories, have also been "Susan Ruiz-ed" out of Morningside and should be felt sorry for that they even made the mistake of going there in the first place.
The job placement figures of Morningside are 0%. That's ZERO JOBS for 100% of all students attended which makes the entire program a completel and total failure. Notice I used the word "program?" When I hear Bakker ask for money on TV to, as he puts it in his exact words:
"Help me build the college"
I am seeing even additional fraud in this con artist and I will do everything in my power to expose this fraud and bring it to an end.
No Nonsense Norski, yep I'm still here and laughing at all the comments. I'll have to check out the episode Tanya just mentioned as it sounds like a possible candidate for my next post.
I'm just taking some time off from posting as it is very time and energy consuming, and my job is pretty busy at the moment. I'll be back working on a new post soon though, hopefully next week.
If anyone would like to file a complaint against Jim Bakker for his misleading claims about Silver Sol or anything else, here is the online form: FTC Online Complaint
I already filed a complaint a few months ago when Jim billed Silver Sol as 'curing malaria'. Jim Bakker, by the way, can be doing very real harm to people when he makes false claims about his health products. That's not a trivial thing, people can die if they replace real treatments with fake ones, no matter what the malady is.
It's hilarious how much the Bakker cultists try and change the topic to Bro D. Isn't this blog about Jim Bakker? I have 40+ blog posts highlighting all the reasons why Jim Bakker is a slimeball, and our comments section contains a multitude of questions posed to you about Bakker and Morningside. Yet, your only response is to try in vain to attack the character of Bro D? We're not stupid guys, we don't fall for that kind of misdirection and I don't think my anonymous readers fall for it either. Jim Bakker is the guy up there every day scaring people into buying his overpriced junk. Disagree?
Let me ask a question of you Bakker supporters, and I'm serious: Do you love Jim Bakker?
You guys are here defending the honor of another man who is not your relative or even your friend. Can't you guys see how bizarre that is?
Oh one more thing: Joe C for Blue Eye Mayor!
I support Bakker to a degree. But to answer your question as if I love him. No. I know people would ask "What kind of Christian are you?" Doesn't your dogma say to love your neighbor as yourself for the love of God. That's a crock, nobody loves everybody. People like Will Rodgers who throw the bird seed and say they never met a man/woman they didn't like are disturbed. Bakker is a likeable chap.
I find it odd that the JBS ran a re-run today. It's Easter week... isn't there something important to talk about?
To the poster @3:34:
While I appreciate your honesty and truthfulness in saying you support Bakker "to a degree" and while I greatly appreciate your adult like demeanor, in not acting like one of Bakker's immature so-called "students," it is your final statement that "Bakker is a likeable chap" that I respectfully take issue with.
To me, a "likeable" chap is one who does not surround himself with lies. A "likeable" chap does not swim in a sea of fraud and half-truths and all other moral sins, such as pretending to be married to a woman on TV when he has a history of homosexual conduct in his real life. The Bible clearly talks about the dangers of being a braggart and boaster and Bakker is both of those--among other non-Christian like things. The hiding of his ordination credentials, the hiding of of his funds raised and the failure to repay the United States government for taxes he owes them also brings, to my mind, the issue that Jim Bakker is mired in fraud and deceit, and is therefore not a very exemplary or likeable person--at least as far as my eyes can see.
@3:34
I don't think I've ever seen or heard anyone use the Wiil Rogers quote in that manner. When you meet a stranger you should like them until they give you a reason not to. If you already don't like a person, why would you want to meet them? Hope that helps you understand that wise and humorous quote.
I would not ever put Bakker in a position of trust. His past is too "flaky", I mean forgiving is one thing and forgeting another. That's fine you've payed your dues to society by incarceration still you (Bakker) did things you should have never done in the first place. If a pedo. did jail time and was released, no way in hell would I want him to babysit my kids or work in a day care. Sorry, sometimes it's one strike and you're out.
Bro D. taking Craig explanation of the Will Rodger's analogy, why would you have wanted to work for Bakker in the first place??
@4:20. I don't know what you're angle is. The quote is folk humor and classic. Of coarse we meet with people we don't necessarily like, Joe C may be able to expand on that.
Lol. If the zombies are taking Will Rogers out of context and applying them as literal truths, what are they capable of with the bible?
Omg Kevin's House it still makes me sick to remember how Jim used Kevin!
Jim would put Kevin on the floor as Jim chatted it up with Pat Boone. I still feel bad that Kevin never got to live in the house Jim promised him
Hey fake students, better start up the mystery machine and head to Dallas. There's a disaster to film. Don't forget to take along a bottle of silver sol to hand out to a victim so you can get it on tape this time.
In all seriousness, my prayers to those in the DFW area.
Nobody wants to see Bakker off TV more than I do, but there was a long string of adolescent jousting here that really wore thin on me. I generally enjoy this website and a lot of the serious comments (such as about colloidal silver health claim legalities, etc. etc.).
But, like a previous poster said:
"What has happened to this blog??????? I feel we are straying from some important discussion. Do we really need to be conducting ourselves like this?? Let us get together and bring down the fraud."
Most recent posts seem to be having a more adult and serious focus. And, well.... a FOCUS. I hope the conversation doesn't devolve again or I may be forced to remove Food Bucket from my Bookmarks.
Not sure why, but Susan and I are the only commenters tonight. I think I'll preach, after all, I'm ever bit as ordained as jim. Thou shall not lie. We all have but bakker does every time his mouth moves. Thou shall not steal. Only thieves steal, and jim has been convicted for it. Thou shall not commit adultery. Way too much to go in to about jim here. Thou shall not have other gods. See the huge Chinese statue and jim himself.
TBC because I'm tired of typing on my phone.
Well I totally disagree that this blog isn't about the sum of its posters. When you know who your enemy is, it helps to know their M.O.
Let's just take a look at who we have posting here and what their motivation is.
Bro D is a disgruntled ex-employee of the Jim Bakker ministry. Should things have gone differently with him there, he would be singing a tune quite different than the one he is singing today. He's out for revenge and he has given himself over to hate. He is the epitome of a hypocrit.
Tanya is so enthralled with her own intellect that she makes to love it in her posts. It's a good thing, because most have tired of her wordiness - and skip her posts altogether. In reality, that's all she's got left - a bag of Oreos and a keyboard.
Ron - now he's a study. Ron isn't as mad at Jim Bakker as he is at God. God didn't do what Ron wanted him to do way back when, and Ron got mad. If God was real, God would do . And God didn't do therefore, God isn't real. Trouble with Ron is that deep down inside, he knows God is real and is just plain mad at Him because He did for other people - but He didn't do for poor Ron. Since then, he's been trying to find ways to satisfy that anger... and woe be it to the object of his wrath. Nobody would listen if Ron went after God now would they? So, after giving himself over to his hate, Ron strikes out at anything and everything that he thinks he can get away with - and no matter what bandwagon he rides, there is always those who will ride with him. He is a textbook example of one who misplaces his anger out of fear. Ron could care less about the people giving Jim Bakker money. Repent Ron.
The rest of the people on here are bandwagon riders. They're just glad to be a part of anything.
Oh, and I forgot to sign my post.
TBC
@7:07. Nice. Now if you want to join the conversation give yourself a name and jump in and state your opinion. You will always be anonymous even if you have a screen name. See Bro D's posts above. Otherwise you may as well delete the bookmark because your just another irrelevant anonymous commenter.
Anon "Detective" @ 929pm
"When you know who your enemy is, it helps to know their M.O." Okay, the pressures on. It's going to be a tough case but I think this zombie is up for it.
"Let's just take a look at who we have posting here and what their motivation is." Ooooooh, the zombie pulled out it's magnifying glass ... this is going to be good. Hot on the Bucket case.
"Bro D is a disgruntled ex-employee of the Jim Bakker ministry" Wow!! The detective zombie has busted Bro D right off the bat! No evidence is needed. Poor Bro D!
"Tanya is so enthralled with her own intellect that she makes to love it in her posts" OMG!!!! No sooner has the detective zombie handcuffed Bro D. and it has Tanya cold! Tanya puts up a good fight but in the end there is nothing but broken cookies and a busted keyboard on the floor. Bye Tanya! I'll write!
"Ron - now he's a study. Ron isn't as mad at Jim Bakker as he is at God" The zombie detective has Ron cornered. No where to run! The gigs up Ron!
"The rest of the people on here are bandwagon riders" Ooooooooooh I better get while the goings good. Damn that zombie detective is good.
What drama!!!!!!!!!
LOL LOL LOL
To One Strike: it's a good thing your standards aren't God's. A whole lot of the people who were disciples and kings and leaders in the Bible would have been disqualified by your standards.
KAK is just a clever old Troll. Sometimes I even like the old Troll. Scratch his gnarly back and he'll wiggle his little stumpy.... leg.
Anon "Long Winded Troll (part time detective) @ 802pm
I was hurt that you never even mentioned me in your hissy fit. I mean really now Long Winded Troll how could you! ;))
You scratch my back and I'll scratch your trolly back. LOL
Till we meet again troll .... case closed.
Me Zombie, YOU Troll! Now go to bed. You definitely need your beauty rest.
@8:02 . Scratching backs and making people wiggle is an upper division coarse. Are you a morningside graduate looking for work?
Oh,and for more insight into the psyche of this blog's owner, you can read his very public blog here: http://diaryofanatheist.blogspot.com/
Craig,
LOL!!!!
Long Winded Troll,
I do not care what Ron's beliefs are beyond are mutual efforts to stop Jim Bakker's activities which are well known here on the Bucket. What Bakker is doing is wrong and I'll support Ron in his quest.
That's why you didn't a mention, KAK. You're as bad as you think we are. Bandwagon Boy
You speak in riddles tonight Long Winded Troll ... message understood.
Good. Now go to bed while you still love me.
@8:17. I was unaware of a law requiring a religious affiliation to call jim bakker a fraud. In case you didn't know, jim is a convicted felon for fraud. Anyone can call jim a fraud, thief, con artist, etc. There is nothing jim can do about it because that is what he is and that is what he was convicted of.
By the way zach, the "L" was no mistake. jim is your god and makes no mistakes. Lol.
Q: TBC, what do Bro D, Tanya and Ron have to do with the lies spewing forth from Jim Bakker's mouth everyday?
A: Nothing.
Attack our characters all you want, it's not going to change the substance of our words. The truth is the truth no matter who speaks it.
Long Winded Troll,
Are you known as Azra?
The anonymous poster @7:29 has become the judge, jury & executioner. He has totally ignored everything I posted earlier on this blog and he assumes he knows what he is talking about and refuses to believe that he has no way under God's green acres to determine who I am--so he, much like his peers at this lonely and un-Godlike place hidden away in the mountains, would rather have a public guessing game instead of a decent conversation about facts. He has not said anything about "Kevin's House". He has not said anything about homosexuality in the pulpit. He has not said anything about Susan Ruiz. He has not said anything about why, after money was raised for it, there is not a plaque on the statue with donor's names on it. He has not said one word about the sale of sleep wristbands which are total and complete fraudulent items.
While he probably believes he has faith in God, he now claims faith in his "detective work" clues that would make Sherlock Holmes wince in pain. He has "Susan Ruiz-ed" me as being an ex-employee with not one ounce of proof in his slanderous and untruthful hands. Thank God he is not a real detective being paid with taxpayer dollars. He would present his cases to the D.A. and walk out of there with his head hung low and the threat that, if he continues his shoddy work, he will soon be looking for a job. Speaking of looking for a job, he has mentioned nothing about the 0% job placement rate of the fake "college". You know, the so-called college with ZERO JOBS for 100% of all "students" graduated.
Go ahead and try to deflect this blog into the subject of my personal life and the personal lives of others who post here. The American public is smart enough to already know that ignoring issues raised always means you have no logical defense for them.
Now, go ahead and empty your bank account and give it all to Bakker. Maybe he'll give you a ride in that church bought boat as a way of saying thanks. Or, if you bequeath to him your entire estate, maybe he will let you "buy your way in" to his fake family and sit at the head of the table on Thanksgiving, as Grandma Maxine does--all the while a real relative, who lives in a house trailer in Hollister, MO (Bakker's aunt) allegedly places multiple calls to Bakker asking for help and is ignored as she lives in a trailer with no utilities and allegedly was so sick she needed to be taken to the hospital to be stabilized. How nice she must have felt knowing this wonderful "Man of God" certainly kept to his word when he, as alleged here earlier, promised his dying uncle, he would see to it the aunt, who supposedly cared for Bakker's two kids years earlier, would be taken care of.
As a detective, you Mr. @7:29 are a total failure. As a Christian with morals and common sense, which you are supposed to also have, you are a failure also. In your next posting here please call me a "witch". That is the only thing you just forgot to do!
You kids be careful on your trip to Dallas. Be sure to let us know when the utube is posted so we can see your helping hands in action.
8:17 I couldn't care less who is anatheist on this Blog. I think most of us are here to point out Jim's half truths, not point out who on this blog who believes in God!
Zombies if you can't handle the comments about Jim Bakker then just don't post at all!! Who cares..I don't. Go cry and whine to Bakker...go away!!!
The Foodbucket Sheriff came to town and the zombies are running around trying to find bullets to put in their toy guns..doesn't your "college" have a class on how to handle public outrage?
The zombies are scrambling because the FoodBucket Fanpage is in plain view when you check out Bakker. Yikes! 80,000+ views and counting.
Your tactics are so obvious, using hate, insulting individuals, sexual and filthy words hoping it will turn people off this blog.
We win...you lose zombies.
Jessica is so right. What I am seeing here reminds me of the classic story of the guy who brought a knife to a gunfight. Needless to say, things didn't work out very well for him. If you Bakker supporters cannot do better than what you are doing here, it would be much to your advantage to simply say nothing at all. You are not only making yourselves look like fools, you are making your cult leader look like a big fool too. Just sayin...
@ 7:29pm - I am "so enthralled with my own intellect that I make love to it in my posts?" What is it with you Bakker-supporters and sex? First we have a "weird kinky sex thing" with the show, and now I am "making love" to my intellect (as an aside, what on earth does that even mean).
7:29pm, I'm not sure what makes you feel that way about me, perhaps my writing style is beyond your comprehension. I suggest a dictionary for the more difficult words. Or maybe you don't like that I mentioned my post-secondary education? I only did that because people were defending the fake school, you know - to make it clear that I was basing my statement that it is a fake school on real-world, personal experience. And my writing style is a product of having the very education that I said I have.
7:29pm, I'm sorry that my posts are too difficult for you to read, and have made you feel bad.
By all means, 7:29pm, skip my posts. You make a ton of assumptions, and then base your ranting, self-righteous anger on those assumptions. You not reading my posts means one less idiotic attack to consider. I look forward to not having you direct any further comments at me, or about me. Thank you. Really, I appreciate it.
@8:17pm: since you are the most recent "anonymous" to bring up the subject of religion/beliefs or lack of religion/beliefs - how about you post again and answer this: how does anyone's personal belief system relate to what they say about Jim Bakker's behaviour?
I've asked the above question twice myself, since it seems so critical and relevant to some people who post here.
It shouldn't surprise anyone, but there has been no answer yet.
P.S. 8:17pm - "very public blog?" Blogs *are* public, they are meant to be read. Its not like the old days of private diaries with little keys.
Here's a second question to answer, 8:17pm: if an atheist states "Jim Bakker is a convicted felon," does the fact that an atheist said it make that statement untrue?
I agree the Bakker backers should keep their mouths shut. They are looking bad here. Very bad.
TBC,
Yawn.
It is obvious the people posting for Bakker here are not well developed adults. The remarks smack of being childlike and of being the work of his young slave labor pool. Considering most of these youth would be either in jail or homeless if they were not working for free at Morningside, they are desperate to prove a point that being a free volunteer for Bakker will, as they are brainwashed to believe, yield them an important job with professional TV stations and networks. This is simply not true.
We have had the major TV networks here and everyone of the employees I have ever met and talked to has at least a Bachelors degree and some a Masters.
I have a friend who works for one of the major TV networks and I am told a four-year degree is mandatory in order to be hired. The only exception, she told me, would be in an extremely rare case where a non degreed worker is a major staff member or developer of an independant TV production that busts out of the gate and does extremely well in the ratings. Then, in order to play catch-up and develop a similar show, a non degreed worker may be hired. Again, the chances are slim of this ever happening. You would stand a better chance of standing outside in a thunderstorm and hoping to get struck by lightning.
I am amazed, as are many Christians I know, that Bakker is able to continue the fraud he spent five-years in prison for, right down to the selling of "lifetime partnerships" once again. One of these days the shell game will end. Lori and her Mom will go back to Phoenix and live their lives in relative obscurity. That is, assuming Lori & Char do not get in trouble with the government. Jim Bakker will either be dead or back in prison with both his Mother in Law and wife offering testimony against him in order to avoid being locked up with him. It is a sad tale. But, it is a criminal drama of their own making so it is hard to feel sorry for any of the three of them.
i can just picture fat zach watching some detective show and deciding he is gonna investigate and psycho-analyze the posters here so he can come off as intelligent for once. go back to your potato chips and robbing old people, your much better at that.
Sure I feel bad about Kevin but that's life. Being in the condition he was in that still is not going to negate what life's disappointment dept had in store for him. Sometimes we have a tendency to think because a poor soul suffered a bad fate that everything from then on is going to be smooth sailing, sorry to disillusion some people but history tells us the opposite and it's going to get worse. Kevin was given a raw deal, I don't know the facts, maybe he was, and maybe Bakker should hang. But I don't feel overly sad for Kevin. Them are life's breaks and guys like Kevin understand it more then we do. He's a lot tougher then you or I am mentally.
Dortsch: Quit using your Clintonese. Just come out and say "I never worked for Jim Bakker and he did not fire me." If you do that, you could disqualify the long-winded trolls comments once and for all.
I think the character of the people posting on this blog and their motivations matter. Perspective.
OMG! No! Say it ain't so! ;(
Mr. Giberti's Place is for sale!
http://sueandersenrealty.com/commercial/gilberti/
Idea! Hey Jimbo Bakker why don't you buy it? It's going for $425,000. Do it Frog! Do it!
Just think of some of the unique pizzas you could have,
"The Moronside Janitor (The Matt)"
A thick crusted pizza with all the topping. A large handful of cooked spagetti thrown on top to give appearance of a cleaning mop.
"The Bossman"
Our most fattening pizza! Special feature has pepperoni arranged in a 666 pattern on the top. A Moronside Fake College student fav!
"The Lift"
This is our highest pizza. A huge honking 4" crust. Wow! You'll love it. A fav of Jim Bakker.
"The Junkman"
A loaded pizza that is thrown into an old bread bag. A favorite with dumpster diving customers.
And much, much more to come ......
A few shows ago, during the Tammy Sue reunion, Jim was going on and on about how religion has done so many people wrong. He said that everyone is welcome at Morningside.
Here's a good way to figure Jim out. Let's take all the filth that TBC and other students have written here, copy and paste it into an email, and send it off to Jim for review! From "100 pounds of flesh" to "rot in Hell, sinners!" I'm sure Jim would be very proud!
Either Jim Baker thinks it's fine that his ministry is being represented this way, or he doesn't know what's going on and would be disappointed in you. Which one is it? Should sinners rot in Hell or come to Morningside?
I think the Bakker zombies are starting to worship Brother Dortch! You better watch it zombies, Jim isn't going to like that. LOL LOL !!!!!!!
"Oh,and for more insight into the psyche of this blog's owner, you can read his very public blog here: http://diaryofanatheist.blogspot.com/"
I did read that and it was interesting, Ron. I'd like to see Bakker off the air, so I'm not a so-called "zombie."
But I would like to mention to you that you got a very distorted view of Christianity having grown up in Pentacostalism.
Here's some reading I might suggest: Francis of Assisi, John of the Cross, Theresa of Calcutta, Thomas Merton, St. Augustine. Also books about historic social justice and peace Christian movements such as Quakerism, Mennonites, Church of the Bretheren.
Exposure to Pentacostalism in childhood seems to flower into adult atheism with many people. I have a niece who is a Pentacostal, so I know how toxic it usually is.
To @8:34 Jim Bakker will rot in hell for what he did by using poor crippled Kevin for money and then stealing the money from him. I can't think of any more despicable crime.
@9:42am: did you know that purposefully misspelling someone's screen name is a form of trolling? So, your constant typing "Dortsch" is a form of trolling, albeit a inconsequential one.
OK, 9:42am, you gave a partial answer, thank you: the character of the people posting in these comments matter. Their perspective matters. We are partway there. To get further down the road to a complete answer:
How does their character and perspective matter?
My previous question - that you did not answer - highlights this issue: if an atheist says Jim Bakker is a convicted felon, does the fact that an atheist said it make that statement untrue.
Since the focus is on Brother Dortch, let's change it to: if Brother Dortch states that Jim Bakker is a convicted felon, does the fact that Brother Dortch said it make it untrue?
In fact, let's go one step further: let's say that Brother Dortch is a disenchanted former employee - I don't know that he is, I don't even know that Brother Dortch is male, for that matter. But let's just say Brother D. is a man, and he is the upset former employee that some people think he is - given that assumption, does the fact that Brother Dortch states Jim Bakker is a convicted felon make that statement untrue?
An answer that addresses the above will be more concrete and complete. So far, we are stuck at: why does a poster's character/beliefs matter? Because they do.
It is highly possible that Brother Dortch is female and there is not one soul on here who can prove otherwise. I will say one thing for him or her, Brother Dortch does have a lot of fans. That's for sure.
It all amounts to this:
Brother Dortch = Sour Grapes......That's the truth of the matter, If Dortch got what he wanted originally out of Morningside, he would'nt even be here posting. "Hell hath no fury like a Dortch with access to a computer".******* Another thing 10:39, you may think Dortch poops ice cream but I don't!!!!!
Kevin was a goddamn baby!!!
9:53.. the "Dino Cake Pizza" Month old pizza topped with hockey pucks.
@ Highly religious: I missed the comment where Brother Dortch's identity was proven. Or maybe not "proven," perhaps there was a comment that gave some validating evidence that Brother Dortch is who you think s/he is?
I've scanned the past couple of days' comments, and I still can't find that comment. Maybe its an older one.
Would you please direct me to that post, or repeat the information for me, so I can be caught up?
Dear Highly religious,
You are not answering any of either Tanya's or Brother D's questions. Are you so highly religious that you don't care that your cult leader is a homosexual con man? Why do you think it is OK to use and then steal from a crippled boy? Why do you think it is OK to brand a good woman as a "witch" unfairly and with no evidence to support such a ridiculous claim? Why do you think it is OK to sell a sleep wristband that supposedly corrects the frequencies in your brain so you can get a good nights sleep? Isn't this fraud in action? Are you a criminal too? Finally, why do you, with absolutely no evidence whatsoever, seem to know everything about Brother Dortch? Are you secretly in love with him and are homosexual too, like your pastor is? That is what you are presenting yourself here to look and act like. Come out of the closet! It's OK. Just admit you are gay and you will be taken much more seriously than you are right now. Then, after you do come out, you'll feel much better and then you will be able to do what this blog was set up for and that is to discuss issues about the conduct of Jim Bakker, This way you will not have to lust after another man, assuming Brother D is a man, with such great homosexual desires. You can do it. I know. Come out of that closet right now! Come out! Come out! Come out!
@942
Aside from the excellent questions Tanya asked, I would also add that you know nothing about any commentator's character or motivation other than what people contribute as rumor or gossip. We are not on tv every day, we do not give interviews, and we do not have books for sale about our lives.
I'll enlighten you on a couple things about me though, from my own mouth.
Let's speak to my character:
I allow your posts to stand.
Would Jim Bakker allow posts critical of him or Morningside to remain on his own website?
I've never been convicted, in a court of law by a jury of my peers, of defrauding people. And Jim?
Let's speak to my motivation:
Jim Bakker insults my intelligence every day when he appears on my television screen trying to deceive me. This motivates me to publicly expose him for the charlatan that he is.
And what is Jim's motivation for selling sleep bands, survival food and the ever-present Lori Lockets?
I do not and will not discuss religion on the Foodbucket unless it's used to illustrate how Jim Bakker is exploiting it for his own personal gain. For instance, Jim Bakker built a $35,000 carved image of Christ and placed it in his facility to attract gawkers and feed his own ego. What does the Bible say about carved images of Christ, Mr Anonymous?
The Foodbucket Fanpage is about Jim Bakker, not Ron Johnson and not religion. If you'd like to create a Ron Johnson Fanpage then go for it. It's gonna be slim pickins over there though because you don't have any material to work with. Your character assassination cap gun only has one stinky, smoky bullet, and you've already shot it.
[insert the sad sound of air escaping a balloon here]
The fact of the matter, Anonymous, is that who I am or what I am is irrelevant to what Jim Bakker does every day on tv. Did you see the show today? More fear-mongering and more product sales. Am I the one up there doing that, or is it Jim Bakker?
If you don't believe the words I write strictly because of who I am, then would you prefer that I 'tag' someone in who better fits your idea of an honest person and ask them to read, verbatim, the same words that I write?
To Highly religious--I have contributed to this blog for at least two years now and have read every posting placed here in that time frame. I have totally missed the post where Brother D's identity was revealed. Please direct me, and Tanya, and Ron, to the exact date and exact time such a post was made so we can read it and see exactly what you are referring to in your writing here. Thank-you. If we don't hear back from you, and I am feeling strongly we will not, then what you are saying is exactly what you did to Susan Ruiz and I know you don't want to talk about that either, do you?
I think the christian/non-christian, atheist/believer, sinner/saint dialogue is silly. People purported to live in a christian enclave have proven themselves, through their conduct here, to be anything BUT Christ's love in action.
The representatives of Morningside here are incredibly bad witnesses.
I have only been posting here for less than one year but am faithful in reading each day's postings. No where have I ever seen or read where the identity of Brother Dortch was given. I would also like to be directed to the posting so I can read it too.
There is a reason why the representatives of Morningside here are incredibly bad witnesses. The reason is Jim Bakker himself. He is a fraud, a thief, a homosexual who is not out of the closet, a con artist, and, as Jerry Falwell so correctly put it:
a liar, an embezzler, a sexual deviant, and "the greatest scab and cancer on the face of Christianity in 2,000 years of church history".
Lori Bakker, who is referred to as "The first lady of Morningside"
is a drug addict, a liar, a con woman, a money launderer, and a bum who uses and abuses people exactly like her husband.
With leadership such as this, being surrounded by "Yes Men" and "Yes Women," it is no wonder the place has turned into a cult compound that gets away with the "Salem Witch Trials" tactics to judge their own people. How can they possibly be expected to judge others, in a forum such as this, fairly?
@2;07 Incredibly bad witnesses but incredibly good and loyal people.
Anon@1244pm
Yes, funny. One must not forget about moronside dino pucks. LOL
To Rebel Yell:
If you care to contact Susan Ruiz (trytrustingjesus@aol.com) she may be willing to share with you just how good and loyal these people are. They were so good and loyal to her after her husband suffered a heart attack and died at a young age, leaving her alone to raise 2 daughters, that they basically tarred and feathered her and ran her out of Morningside on a rail. All of this AFTER she invested $330,000 in cash to buy one of the most expensive and biggest condos at Morningside. The word "disgusting" does not even do justice to the treatment this woman received for no reason at all other than the fact that she hung a statue of Jesus on the wall of her condo. Did Bakker step in and stop the witch hunt? Hell no! He did nothing and is just as much to blame and those who ruined this fine woman's life and cost her a fortune in lost money when she was forced to get out of there quickly.
Rebel Yell, do you value loyalty over honesty?
Rebel -
Loyal? I agree - misplaced loyalty to Jim rather than God the Father, maybe.
Good? I deleted my blogger account and can only post anonymously because the personal attack got so vicious that my husband thought we were dealing with a fanatic who may be capable of something bizarre. My "crime" is that I stated emphatically that Jim was taking scripture out of context, and I gave examples. Rather than correcting me or explaining a different perspective, I was told I was evil, full of Satan, ought to be tried by my church elders... I've been told to rot in Hell, I am a moron, I have no redeeming value, on and on... This is not how "good" church people treat others in the Family of Christ, even when they disagree.
So, I definitely don't have a "good" feeling about the "good" people at Morningside!
I'm sure Al Capone had loyal people who he thought were good too.
Anon"Billy Idol"@250pm
In the court of law a witness that lies is not treated as an incredible good person. Insane loyality is not a good defense strategy for a Jim Bakker zombie.
@2:50pm: you agree with 2:07pm that the Bakker-supporters are "incredibly bad witnesses" yet in the same sentence say they are "incredibly good people?"
I may have misunderstood, then. I thought 2:07's post meant that because the Bakker-supporters have come to this blog and posted hate, insults, aggression, ranting, swearing, etc that they are "bad witnesses." How does that behaviour match with being "good people?"
Loyalty, yes, we have seen multiple examples of loyalty to Jim Bakker - one person even posted that s/he did not have to explain Jim Bakker/Morningside because it is about "faith."
Of course, blind loyalty (like what we see in these comments, where nobody chooses to engage in useful conversation about the concerns raised) is not necessarily a good thing. For example, cult members are loyal to their leaders - and we only need to look at history to see how that worked out for some cult members. Like the cult where the saying "drink the Kool-Aid" came from... in return for their loyalty they got to drink poison.
However, since you know how good and loyal the Morningside people who post here are, perhaps you would like to answer some of the questions that have been asked. In so doing, you may be able to alter the perception of Morningside that has been created by the Morningside posters into something more positive.
Big old hypocrit Tanya at 11:29: indignant because of sexual inuendo? Really?
Why don't you take your cronnies to task for the same thing? All what... 5 of them? lol
How dare those zombies attempt to assassinate someone's character!
Sarcasm dripping.
You Trolls just don't see yourselves for what you are, do you?
Nobody that doesn't have character issues does what you do. You remind me of the nazis. They justified their own hate right down to the dehumanizing of millions.
Anon "wiggley troll" @ 446pm
My dear troll, it all comes down to justice issues in the end doesn't it? Justice will be done in the court of law and when that happens you will see lots of "character" as well. Oh what the hell, here's a piece of dino cake. Whoaaaaaaaaa! Hungry are we little troll?
It doesn't matter. Al Capone, The US Army, Your boss, Your job, Jim Bakker, country. Once of the most, if not the most, honorable virtues is loyalty, even if I disagree with a person's point of view, I give that person high points if he/she maintains a sense of loyalty toward particular beliefs. We laugh at these young Morningside kids or pretend to feel sorry for them while bashing them to kingdom come. I still respect their loyalty, most especially cause they are young and feel they are right.
Justice. Yep, but justice is done in a higher court than just a "court of law." Better hope you have been merciful when you go before the real Judge.
I'll take the Dino cake, KAK.
Dino makes the best carrot cake in 3 states.
Mmmmm Mmmmm
Hey Rebel... thanks. Want some Dino cake?
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