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| Gord Pedersen: 'How does that Silver Sol shit work again?' |
This is the final post for this episode. If you haven't already read the first part, please click here for
part 1 of Jim Bakker scribbles on Zach, talks junk with Bill Whaley.
I wasn't aware that Dr Gordon Pedersen was the man behind Silver Sol, but he's the one in the commercial so now he owns it in my book. He tells us some gobbledy-gook about his miracle tonic, explaining that the particles of silver are so tiny that they can 'enter a red blood cell'. He says this is good because there's nothing to 'irritate or agitate', and that the particles of silver are just there to 'kill the germs'. I haven't been following the Silver Sol scene, but this sounds very, very stupid to me. Why would anyone voluntarily ingest something that is going to enter their blood cells and 'kill the germs'? How does silver know the difference between a germ and a blood cell? This sounds like an experiment the Japanese would do on Allied POWs to see how long they'd survive. Why would anyone even waste their time with this? It's so stupid it's laughable.
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| This is what happens when you follow Jim Bakker's advice |
I did a little looking on this Dr Gordon Pedersen. Don't let the white lab coat fool you, because Gordon Pedersen is not a medical doctor. He has a PhD from a toxicology program which sounds promising, but
in this press release he's billed as the “
Anti-Aging Master Formulator” which causes my quack-alert siren to whoop loudly inside my head. I don't feel very comfortable here, Mr Pedersen.
Didn't this silver stuff turn some guy's skin blue like a smurf not too long ago? I think I'll pass on your miracle tonic this time around. My body already does a good enough job 'killing the germs' and you know what they say: If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I'll tell you what though: When I'm on my deathbed, I'll take a swig and see if it does anything for me. Does it cure dying?
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| Jim Bakker's Blue Skin Ointment w/ bonus Amoeba Pot, $88 |
Zach announces a Silver Sol package for $600, then Sasha announces a case of 50 for $900. These packages come with Neti Pots. Why hasn't Jim told us the scary stories involving Neti Pots and brain-eating amoebas? Hasn't he heard about
the people who have died after using them? It's strange to think that nobody on that stage has heard about the Neti Pot amoebas, and it makes me wonder if Jim's hiding the truth a little bit there so as not to cut into his own product sales. Blue skin coloring and brain-eating amoebas...that's two strikes against this Silver Sol package already. Yet Jim Bakker is still selling it with no mention at all about these serious risks? Doesn't sound very honest to me,
Pastor Bakker.
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| Lori says "Wow!" while Jim gulps air |
We're out of the commercial and back to the Junk Man Show with Jim Bakker. Jim asks a question designed to lead Whaley into a product demonstration, but the Junk Man's having none of it. These are direct quotes:
Jim: “I've read that you help street people stay warm...One of the biggest problems people are going to have is when the power goes out. How do you keep from freezing?”
Junk Man: “Let's go to the street first.”
Jim: “Okay.”
Jim just has to sit there and take it. He's on the couch, leaning on his knee and staring at Whaley, but he's powerless to do anything. The old coot just keeps going on. For her part, Lori loves listening to this guy. She turns to the camera and mouths the word 'Wow!' as Whaley talks.
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| Whaley grabs his papers as Jim dreams of a happy place |
Uh oh, Whaley just stepped over into la-la land. Now he's talking governmental conspiracy against the poor, the homeless, and the 'working people'. He's using the fingers on his hands to count off each targeted group. Jim, you need to step in and stop this now. A man uncovering conspiracy at this level is a man that the government will do everything to silence. The FBI probably has a file as a thick as a book on this Whaley character, hell there's probably agents in your audience right now keeping tabs on him. You don't need this kind of heat Jim, you don't need it!
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| The Junk Kook spices things up with conspiracy talk |
Whaley has now reached for a stack of papers to expose a Senate Bill designed, according to the Junk Kook, to outlaw people from growing gardens. Lori's little mind has been blown by this conspiracy. We hear her off-camera saying, "Unbelievable. Unbelievable". With his stack of papers in one hand, Whaley employs use of his other hand to count off even more targeted groups. He's talking farming, saying something about us controlling the food. He then says, '
Guess who else we control?' Then bam, an edit arrives just in time. Just in time to
save Whaley's life, and possibly everyone at Morningside. Whatever information he had was bound to uncover conspiracy at the highest levels of government. They will stop at nothing, Bill, nothing. Now I understand why you live 'off the grid'.
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| The Junk Kook's audio was cut. What secrets did he expose? |
The edit was abrupt, and now it goes straight to Bakker. Jim feeds into Whaley's conspiracy a little bit, talking about some weird government crackdown on an Amish farmer selling raw milk. The camera shows Whaley with a smirk on his face while he points to his papers and speaks, but there's no sound because it's an edit job. Wow, I wonder how long he droned on for before the kids cut him off in the editing room? How much more conspiracy is lying on the Jim Bakker Show cutting room floor? Maybe Jim Bakker himself is part of the conspiracy to silence the Junk Kook...you ever think of that one, Bill?
Finally, Bakker has taken back a little control. He moves from the Amish farmer straight into Lori's House, telling us that he's being called 'evil' for building a home to save babies. No Jim, that's not why you are called evil. You are called evil because you prey on the elderly and mentally-incompetent, earning their trust specifically so you can take their money. You are called evil not because you are building a home to save babies, Jim, but because you lie about why people call you evil.
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| Bakker: 'Oh my God, I've invited a lunatic onto my show.' |
Jim turns back to Bill and pleads with him, “
We can't get political. They'll put me away, Bill.” That's Jim's way of saying, 'Knock off the soapbox shit and get to the trinkets'. Bakker asks the Junk Kook how we can stay warm if the power grid goes down. Hey Bill, I'll take this one for you. Jim, the secret is layers. Thermals, jackets, whatever you have in the closet. You know the way you're dressed when you go outside in the cold? Just dress like that inside. Add a blanket if you need to. Burn some wood in a fireplace, maybe even roast some marshmallows! Next question please.
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| Whaley pouts after Jim shoots down his conspiracy theory |
The Junk Kook was still thumbing the pages of his conspiracy documents when Jim told him to knock it off. I'm pretty sure he's pissed off now because he's acting like a bratty child who was just told to sit still at a Christmas party. He's back to flopping his hands up and down on the arms of his chair, and he has a little smirk on his face. Bill Whaley, a sixty-something man who once flew choppers in Vietnam, is pouting.
The Junk Kook doesn't like being silenced. Without neighbors, he pretty much lives in silence all the time save for his dumpster divin' wife. Deep down inside, I think what Bill Whaley wants are friends, people to talk to and people to listen. Unfortunately, years of living like a mountain man have made him strange. Picking through garbage is strange. Dreaming up conspiracy is strange. If he were a kid, he could break out of that strangeness bubble and live normally like everyone else. But the Junk Kook is already into his sixties. There's no changing a man who's had that much time to become weird. So, the Junk Kook's inner desire for friendship will never be satisfied unless he finds a friend who is also strange. And that'll just make him weirder.
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| Bill Whaley angrily snatches bag off table |
Since the Junk Kook is pouting, he didn't accept Jim's first invitation to tell us all how to keep warm. Now Jim has to really prod him into action. Jim chooses his words carefully, saying “
You have so many things, I don't know which ones you want to go to first. Do you want me to pick or do you want to tell me?” That bratty child who was told to sit down is now being told to pick a present and open it while everyone watches. Whaley angrily snatches an empty plastic bread bag off the table. This guy is cracking me up, he's really pissed off that Jim told him to stop with the conspiracy crap. He hoists the bag over his head and, in a condescending tone, asks everyone on stage what they would do with it. He has such a look of disdain on his face as he asks this, he's just dying to point his finger at everyone on stage and call them dummies.
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| Bill Whaley: 'I'm holding gasoline in my hand you dummies.' |
After a pause, Bakker says he would throw the bag away. Kevin follows the leader and says he would throw it away too. At this point, I think they want to throw Bill Whaley away with the bag too. The Junk Kook looks down his nose at us and says, “
I'm holding gasoline in my hand.” Kevin Shorey feigns shock at this announcement, and Whaley reiterates that the plastic bag can be converted to gasoline. He once again holds his prized plastic bag up, and then we get a very long, awkward pause. I thought my DVR froze, but nope that's just the deafening sound of silence on stage. Whaley has completely killed any amount of viewer interest in him with his pouting act, and now he's going nuts with the bread bag. Everyone, and I mean every single person on that stage, is on the defensive with him. They've all now realized that he's a lunatic.
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| Whaley's 'latex glove': The bane of canines everywhere. |
The plastic bag is not just gasoline, Whaley tells us. It's also a latex glove that can be used to pick up dog 'droppings'. I'm very suspicious of this statement, Bill. Out in my neck of the woods, we don't associate latex gloves with dog crap. We associate them with people crap, and more specifically, the holes where the people crap comes from. Are you bread-bagging your hands and giving rectal examinations out there in 'off-the-grid' land? And who are you examining? There are exactly two people in those woods where you live, plus one unlucky dog. Please don't tell me you're...I just...
don't you dare hurt that dog, Bill.
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| Bill Whaley's dog being inspected for worms |
Whaley goes on about the multi-use bread bag. He uses it to store butchered chickens in the freezer, and god knows what else. He also puts his skid-marked underwear, ratty t-shirts and mismatched socks in the bag so they don't get wet. What about bread, Bill, do you ever put bread in the bag?
Bill wears the bags on his feet in the wintertime. He says he puts them on his feet, then puts socks over them to keep his feet warm. You're a military man, Bill. Isn't that a recipe for trench foot? Or do you use the water generated by your sweaty, suffocating feet for brushing your teeth?
Whaley ends his childish tirade by asking a question. With his prized bag once again held up with both hands and a voice filled with utter contempt, he turns to Jim and Lori and asks, “Why would I throw it away?” As he asks, he jingles the bag ends so that the plastic makes noise.
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| Jim talks Whaley down off the ledge as Lori daydreams |
Jim got a lot more than he bargained for with this guest. Jim is sweating, oh man is he sweating. He moves to a new question, and as he poses it he sounds like a psychiatrist trying to keep a wild-eyed mental patient from setting himself on fire.
Bakker is really shaken. He says, “Bill, what you're telling us is we can use the things around us to survive. We don't have to lay down and die.” Whaley is folding the plastic bag into a neat square as Jim speaks. Bakker looks to the audience for applause and gets it, and then we see Jim with a look of worry on his face as he gulps down a mouthful of air. Disaster averted, but what's up next?
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| Bill Whaley loves knowing more about garbage than we do |
Whaley has lightened up now. The tension was cut by the applause, and now Bill Whaley feels respected again. He grabs another piece of garbage, an empty spaghetti sauce jar. Actually, I wouldn't classify this one as garbage if you have liquids you want to store. It depends on the liquid, of course. I might use it for pickled eggs, while the Junk Kook might use it for urine bombs. Let's see.
God, Whaley is so obnoxious. He has a way of speaking that is demeaning to all around him. Lori picks up on it subconsciously, because now she's referring to him as 'sir'. He's an asshole without justification. He tells all of us dummies that we can use the sauce jar as a measuring cup. He also says that we can use it to serve drinks in. He suggests giving it to children to drink from, so if they break it they “don't break your good stuff.” You know what I would use your glass jar for, Bill? A baseball. I would tee that sucker right up, then shatter it into a million unusable pieces with a baseball bat. Oh hey, give me that bread bag too, it'll make a great noise maker. Just blow it up full of air, hold the open side closed, then clap your hands together quickly. Pop!
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| A frozen Jim Bakker tries to figure a way out of this debacle |
Jim is frozen solid on the couch. Lori reacts well to assholes, she likes that sort of leadership, but Jim doesn't. He's not quite sure what to do here.
Now the Junk Kook grabs a 2-liter bottle that he chopped in half. It's not chopped well, it looks like he hacked it in half with a butter knife or clipped it down with nail clippers. I also can't rule out the possibility that he had his wife bite through it. Whaley is finding his groove now. He leans back in the chair and asks, “
What can you do with a 2-liter bottle?” See that's the problem, Bill, it's the way you introduce your items. Stop asking us what we can do with your garbage and just show us instead.
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| Plastic bottle that Whaley's wife bit in half |
You ask us questions that you think we can't answer in order to make us feel small. But it's not that we can't answer them, it's that we don't really care. You deal in garbage, the stuff I toss out with a smile on my face. Whenever I have to go back into my garbage to find something that was thrown out accidentally, I don't smile. I grimace and I hold my nose, and sometimes I even ask my wife for help because it's so disgusting to me. When you pose questions designed to make people feel dumb for not knowing the ins-and-outs of the garbage heap, you fail in your quest for friendship. Normal people don't like that.
From the 2-liter bottle, Whaley says he can make a water filter, ice holder, and funnel. Bakker breaks free from his daze and jumps on the funnel idea. Jim grabs the funnel from the table and tells us how we could use it to add gas to our cars if we needed to. Does Jim not know that gas cans come with spouts? I'll go one further: Does Jim not know that funnels can be purchased for a couple dollars at Home Depot? With the dollar Jim gave Lori earlier in the show, they're already halfway down the road to funnel ownership. See how easy that is, Jim?
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| Papa Whaley took little Jimmy's funnel toy away from him |
Whaley isn't having any of Jim's gas-can funnel crap. He takes the funnel away from Bakker like a parent taking scissors from a toddler and completely ignores Jim's suggestion. I get the feeling that the Junk Man is thinking, 'Thanks for humoring us buddy, but let's leave the survival stuff
to the experts.' Jim was still talking as Whaley took the funnel back from him, he even looked to his audience for support while stammering out, “
Isn't that a good..good idea?” I hate to say it, but I'm actually starting to pull for Bakker in this fight. Whaley's a total jackass and needs to be put in his place. If Bill were an ass because he doesn't like Bakker, I'd be on his side. He isn't though. Bill Whaley's an ass because Bill Whaley's an ass.
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| "...teach a man to fish, feed him for a lifetime." |
Ugh, the Junk Man tells us something about poking holes in the bottle, stitching it with twine, and adding bread crumbs to make a 'minnow catcher' for fishing. What happened to you out there in that Vietnamese jungle, Bill? What did you see that's got you so spooked? You're back home in America now, Bill. You don't need to do this, we are friendlies and you are safe. You can go to the store and buy bait from an honest man who is happy to sell to you. Hell, you can even skip the bait and just buy a fish! Don't worry, you will not encounter any VC here. No land mines, no crushed glass in your Pepsi. Just relax sir and calm down. Now please tell me: Are you carrying any knives or other weapons on your person right now?
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| 'Wait 'till the Feds get a load of my urine bombs, muhahaha!' |
Whaley is still obsessing over the bottle. He's showing us how he can add one of his black-painted glass bottles inside the larger plastic bottle, fill one of the two with soup (I don't know which), and cook the soup outside in the sun. As he's configuring this thing, it's making all kinds of annoying ripping and tearing noises as he tries to fit everything together. Why Bill? Why would I waste my time? What you are showing us is so unimportant, it really is. If I had a choice between doing all that menial crap to sun-cook my soup, or just eating cold soup...I'll eat cold soup, Bill. Really, I would.
[Bill Whaley] [showing me how to configure the soup cooker] "So you just take this piece here and add this part...wait, hold on, I think I'm missing something."
[Ron] [eyes glossing over] "It's okay Bill, I don't need all that stuff. I'll just eat it cold."
[Bill Whaley] [shock bordering on offense] "Cold soup? Who wants to eat cold soup!? Just gimme a second, there's a piece missing. We'll get your soup cooking in no time!"
[Ron] [looks at watch] "Bill, it's...it's fine. Can I have my soup back please?
[Bill Whaley] [red-faced and aggressive] "No you cannot have your soup back please, I haven't shown you how to heat it yet! Just give me a second."
[Ron] "These aren't seconds anymore, these are minutes now and I'm hungry."
Bill growls threateningly.
[Ron] [laughing] "Why are you getting so upset?"
[Bill Whaley] [screaming] "I'm not upset!"
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| Bill Whaley rubs his 40-grit palms together |
Jim refers to Whaley's soup-warming contraption as a 'solar cooker'. I'm not sure that 'cooker' is the right word as I don't think anyone will be sizzling bacon in it anytime soon, but whatever. It gets hot, wow. Bill also says we can take a sand-filled soda can, paint it black, then set it in the sun to make a hand warmer. Ahhh, Bill knows just how to make things nice and cozy on those crisp Ozark mornin's. Bill really lays it on us thick with the hand warmer, even rubbing his hands together as he describes it. The sound his hands make when rubbed together are like sandpaper on a wood deck. Don't let the dumpy looks fool you, because the Junk Man isn't all about business: He's pleasure too.
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| The Junk Kook snaps rubber band off yet more garbage |
Jim asks Bill what else he has for show-and-tell. I hope this is over soon because my Bill Whaley Junk-O-Meter is running into the red zone. I'm very near to experiencing a junk overdose, and I'm considering buying a furnace for all of my garbage to prevent it from falling into the hands of the other Bill Whaleys of the world.
Bill asks one of the Master's Media kids to pass him a piece of garbage that's out of reach. It's yet another crinkly piece of plastic. If this guy lived next door to me, he would drive me bonkers. I recycle. I have plastic and glass bottles wrapped up in bags on the side of my house, not stacked, just lying out there nice and clean, awaiting the few times each year when I have time to unload it all at the recycling center. If Bill lived next door, I just know that guy would be breaking my balls every couple weeks or so, asking if he could have my plastic. I'd have to tell him no, but then I'd realize that he's looking at my house and probably rooting through my garbage at night when I'm sleeping. I'd be powerless to stop him. It would drive me nuts.
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| The Junk Tornado unwraps loudly while Lori tries to speak |
Whatever Whaley's next piece of garbage is, he has it encased in a plastic bag. Is that to keep it clean? He snaps off two rubber bands from the bag and starts unraveling the treasure inside. Meanwhile, Lori is talking, or at least trying to talk. She's saying something about the Master's Media kids, but Bill keeps driving on with his unpacking. He's like a Junk Tornado: All we see and hear is the crinkling of plastic, rubber bands snapping, and cups or pieces of cups flying about. Whaley's in his zone now, he has no time for Lori's child's play and small talk. Lori's voice trails off as she completes her sentence and stares at Bill, then we all listen and watch for a few awkward seconds as the Junk Tornado finishes unpacking. The ball is back in Whaley's court now.
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| Bill Whaley struggling to snug his water filter down tight |
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This is a coffee creamer bottle. I just cut the bottom off of it." Whaley's face is glowing, he loves this stuff. "
I went down to Walmart for $7 and bought me one of those Brita pitcher filters." Bill then drops one of those 'Brita pitcher filters' into his creamer bottle. It's a near perfect fit. Bill pulls down hard on the other end of the filter, you can see the strain on his face as he snugs the filter into the plastic bottle and seats it. He holds it up for us to see and declares proudly, "
Now I got a water filter that'll filter 40 gallons of water anywhere I want to go with it." Bill, my good man...what you call a water filter, I call a smoking gun. Did you know that Jim Bakker actually sells expensive Seychelle water filters for over 3 times the price you just mentioned? In fact, the chair your sitting in was probably still warm from Dr Seychelle's last visit! Don't know who Dr Seychelle is, Bill? Well let me describe him for you, you might like him!
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| Detective Bill Whaley holds the smoking gun for all to see |
First off,
Dr Seychelle is not really a doctor at all, but Jim insists on calling him one and the fake doctor doesn't seem to mind. His real name is Carl Palmer. He has a face full of plastic surgery, is the CEO of a multi-million dollar company, and has what might be called a 'trophy wife' who operates as a 'Holistic Dental Hygienist'. That sound like your kinda' people, Bill? Or can I just call you 'Dr Whaley'...it'll make people trust you more!
You want conspiracy, Bill, well you just got one. A real one this time. You are now in competition with the fake Dr Seychelle and his froggy little buddy, Jim Bakker. You are on a show whose sole intent is to sell product. You, Bill, with all your quirks, are still at heart trying to help people. If you thought that's what Jim Bakker was about, you've made a mistake. The Jim Bakker Show is designed for product-sales, not people-helping. Showing people how to make a cheap water filter is a noble effort on your part, but in Jim's calculating mind, why would he give people something for free when he can charge them for it instead?
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| Jim got away from the $7 water filter real quick |
Jim's subdued response to Bill's water filter: "
Oh my lamb." Bakker had no idea this was going to happen and I can see the wheels turning in his mind, trying to figure out how to brush this under the rug as fast as possible without people catching on. We get one more sentence from Bill before edit: "
That's how simple it is to have good clean water." Jim says, haltingly, "
It really is. What's next?" Lori is next to Jim with a smile plastered on her face, but I can see her little mind chugging along as well. I'm pretty sure she caught on to the water filter fiasco too, but hell for all I know she's daydreaming about sex and crack-pipes. You never really know with Lori...one minute she's thinking about abortion, the next minute she's thinking about balloons.
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| Biker Chick Max tries to remember how much Jim's filters cost |
As I said, a heavy edit took place here. The next time we see Bill he's snapping a rubber band back onto the plastic-covered water filter set that took him so long to unwrap earlier. No statement on this, Pastor Bakker? Shouldn't you be suggesting to us all that we save our money on pricey Seychelle filters and just build Dr Whaley's $7 filters instead?
We're back to Jim's first question about how to keep people warm, and Bakker once again refers to homeless people as 'street people'. Whaley grabs a large tin can and starts pulling metal objects out of it while Jim is still talking. Clank, clink, clunk. I know you're off the grid Bill, but I think someone is eventually going to find you out there because of all the noise you make. Do you get a lot of hungry bears out your way?
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| Bill Whaley removes small metal can from large metal can |
The Junk Man is glowing again. I get the feeling he could talk junk, garbage and scavenging all day and night, then continuing on into the morning. Bill Whaley fails among men, but at the garbage heap he reigns supreme. Bill grabs Jim's sharpie, the same one used to write on Zach's forehead, and draws a square on the tin can. He tells us that we can cut out the square of tin, bend it over a stick, and 'put a nail through it' to make a frying pan. I have to say, when Bil grabbed the Zach sharpie and started drawing I was expecting a little more from him then a piece of tin attached to a stick. Let's throw that one out Bill, it's sort of lame. Even a gorilla could figure that one out. And by gorilla, I mean Zach Drew.
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| 'Scuse me brother, any sausage cans to spare? |
If we want to make a heater instead, Bill tells us to add a couple inches of dirt or sand to the tin can. Then we take a Vienna Sausage tin can, add wax and some pipe cleaners to make a candle. Bill, this one's even more lame. Where am I going to find an empty Vienna Sausage can? Do I need to find a hobo in a train car and rifle through his plaid knapsack while he's passed out drunk? And if I already have wax, wouldn't I also
already have a candle? Bill, did you know they make things called
tealight candles that can be purchased for less than a
twenty cents a piece? You need to get out more and stop handling so much garbage, I think all the toxic metals have started to turn your brain into pudding.
Bill's still driving on with his candle heater. He tells us to place the sausage-can candle into the big tin can, then take a "
big 62 oz juice can", poke holes in it and place it over the top of this unwieldy contraption to make a tiny, ineffective heater. I wouldn't even know what a 62 oz juice can looks like, but Bill has the sucker memorized. You've been hanging around the garbage heap for far too long Bill. Here's a life tip: If you converse with more rodents each day than people, then you need a serious change of lifestyle. It's not healthy for your mind.
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| Jim asked the Junk Kook for his thoughts on the economy |
Bakker wants some fear-mongering from Whaley to close the show with. Jim asks the Junk Kook, a man completely unqualified to give answers on, well, anything, if he thinks the dollar is going to 'totally collapse'. Whaley says that this year the 'financial institution' is going to hit everybody and it's going to hit us hard. Jim Bakker, of course, loves hearing the unqualified Bill Whaley predict economic disaster. He looks to the audience and says, "
Now listen to what he's saying people. This is what I've been trying to warn you and warn you and warn you..."
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| I'll get by just fine without your plastic bread bag, Bill |
Finally, the show winds down. Bakker asks Whaley to address the critics who call his gimmick stupid. Whaley tells us "
your dollar's gettin' littler every day", and asks, "
What happens when you can't buy this?" Bill, if I'm so stupid that I can't figure out how to stay warm with all the extra clothes in my closet, or how to crack open a can of Campbell's soup and eat it, then I guess I'll just die. That really sums it up for me, I'd rather lose out and die then spend my life living in fear of ridiculous things like roving gangs, dying of thirst, starving, or freezing to death. I'm not a settler on the frontier.
But let's be honest here: The scary world you describe is not going to happen in our lifetime. We don't live in Sudan, we live in America. Among other things, we have police, military, business, and multiple layers of government filled with fellow citizens who have a vested interest in keeping everything under control. The doom-speakers and fear-mongers like Jim Bakker know this too. That's why they take cold hard cash as payment for their products and speaking engagements. They prey on dimwits who've been watching too many scary movies. Think about it for a second: if Jim Bakker really thought the world was going to fall apart, wouldn't he be doing something to prevent it instead of
catering to it?
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| How much did Jim Bakker pay for your integrity, Bill? |
Bakker ends the show with one final pitch for his Wheat Buckets. The high hopes I had for Bill Whaley's integrity have now vanished, because Jim tells us that every $100 Wheat Bucket sold today comes with a free DVD of the Junk Kook in action. We see Bill sitting in his chair, twiddling his thumbs and smiling as if he just swallowed a canary. Bill must be thinking that he pulled a fast one over on Jim, but believe me Bill, the only one pulling a fast one in this relationship is Jim Bakker. You are a tadpole swimming with the largest toad in the swamp, and he's been swimming in this swamp for years.
The show ends, then we get a five-minute commercial for foodbuckets.
2,815 comments:
«Oldest ‹Older 601 – 800 of 2815 Newer› Newest»Another big old hypocrit Tanya @ 4:32 ...taking the Bakker people to task for everything that is done here by the Trolls who started this hate-filled blog, every single day.
Anon"wiggley troll"@531pm
Yes. You are correct about the higher authority.
Let's see, mmmmmm .... oh look, I still have a little of the carrot dino cake. Good. Sit. LOL, no I didn't say bark. Silly thing. Sit! Sit! Good troll. Habe a big piece of your fav carrot dino cake. Yummy isn't it?
Anon "Just a Troll Passing Thru"@545pm
Been here at the bucket long?
Practicing your attack skills are we?
Anon "Just a Troll Passing Thru"@545pm
The truth being told is that you couldn't give a rat's ass about Bakker's three ring circus or about what we stand for at the bucket. The bucket is a place you sit your lousy trolly butt down on to try to make people react to your troll insults. No cake for you!
What you 'stand' for? That's hilarious. You mean, what you lay down and wallow in. This place is a pig sty.
after reading the comments coming from jim bakker people these last few months i think its fair to say they are some of the most obnoxious people in the world. so sad to see people so blind
Sorry to hear you got pig crap on yourself troll. I don't think this place is a pig sty. You can leave anytime you want, but you won't will you? Why?
I have a name for you troll. I hope you will like it. It's Porky! Here have some cake.
I like adjectives. I'll take obnoxious. It's better than... say, evil, wicked, mean, stupid, zombie.
Now the blog trolls, let's see if I can find ONE definitive adjective. Let's try: HATEFUL
Porky@640pm
The problem with pigs is that they can grow very big. I'll have to watch how much cake I feed you Porky okay? Maybe I'll switch you to corn if you plan on sticking around. We'll see I guess.
Porky, I think we are done ... sent out the more experienced Long Winded Troll. Stick around and learn from a pro. She is good.
@4:38pm: I asked a question, with the hopes that someone would explain what their meaning was. I know that without hearing the voice, the intonation, it must be difficult for some people to appropriately assign the emotions to the written word. I'm not indignant, but I am curious, and I would love to hear the answer to my questions: (a) what does "kinky sexual thing" with a television show mean, and (b) what does "making love" to an intellect mean? If the people who posted those things cannot explain what they meant, they can just say so.
As for your question to me, 4:38pm, I can only control my own behaviour, and I have chosen to use neutral words, such as Bakker-supporter, and ask questions that I would actually like the answers for. How about you answer one, or any, of my questions 4:38pm?
@5:45pm: have you actually read these comments? I posted several times about how "trolling" is coming from *both* sides of the Jim Bakker issue. I freely acknowledge that. As I just said, I can only control my own behaviour. I've asked questions, with no name-calling, and have not gotten a proper answer to any. I have been called a witch, though.
My 4:32pm comment asked if anyone would like to post some information that puts Morningside in a more positive light. All you did is call me a hypocrite, so that doesn't do much of anything. How about it, 5:45pm, are you willing to answer any of the questions?
Oh, and before I forget - I have no idea how many Bakker-supporters regularly post, because nobody has chosen a screen name and used it for more than 1 - 3 posts. Pointing out the number of people who have stuck with one screen name only highlights that discrepancy.
Tanya, you are right. I came here several weeks ago because I was happy to see that people were challenging the Bakker Kingdom. But now, I have become almost as disgusted with the anti-Bakker posters as I am with the Bakker-backers.
Many of these posts really provide additional ammunition for the pro-Bakker forces.
One word: juvenile. Another word: counter-productive.
Anon "Cry Me A River" @ 817pm
Okay my BS meter went off the scale.
"I came here several weeks ago because I was happy to see that people were challenging the Bakker Kingdom."
Really? You were not happy, you were mad because your frog god was being shown for what he is ... a criminal.
"But now, I have become almost as disgusted with the anti-Bakker posters as I am with the Bakker-backers."
Here, have a tissue for your fake tears and a piece of dino cake.
Bakker has no ammunition zombie. None.
One word: zombie. Another word: nice try.
hehehehehe ... sorry zombie, I meant "another two words". ;)
is it fair to say that anyone living at morningside and daring to criticize Jim Bakker would be met with the same overwehlming anger as people do here? imagine what that would be like to live there? this looks more and more like a cult every day, they're very protective of their leader
i see anti bakker people reply but isn't it just joking? the cult followers dont seem to be joking, they sound deadly serious when they defending jim bakker
Nobody will ever come on this blog and ever accuse me of not wanting to discuss substantiative issues. I have laid out more of them here than Bakker's staff has laid out Dino Cakes on those round tables on Grace Street at Morningside.
Instead, I come on to see who has responded to any of the issues I raised and I get another ZERO to add to my weekly total. The Bakker people, largely young children who are bored after working for free each day, simply use the forum as a game playing vehicle, until they meet up with Kool Aid, who can play their game better than they can, and then they go away for the night disenchanted.
Nobody wants to talk about Susan Ruiz. Nobody wants to talk about Lori Beth Graham's very noticable drug problem. Nobody wants to talk about "Kevin's House". Nobody wants to talk about the Bakker employee who was, according to award winning author Charles Shepard, performing "God's work" on ole' JimBob! Nobody wants to tell me why the selling of "sleep wristbands" that supposedly correct the frequencies in your brain is not fraud and why Bakker should not be back in jail for selling them. How about Bakker's unknown ordination credentials? Does anybody here even care about that? Nobody wants to discuss homosexuality in the pulpit in Blue Eye, MO. And those are JUST SOME OF the issues I laid out here and not one person has responded to any of them.
Thank-you Ron, Tanya, Kelsey, Kool Aid, Awaiting, GCG, and others from the anti-Bakker camp because, if it were not for all of you, I would have absolutely nobody to discuss my issues with. I have very much enjoyed hearing what the Los Angeles Ministry Worker has had to say too. To the Bakker employees who have come here and offered their take on what they see and hear each day, I greatly admire what all of you have done. My gratitude goes out to members of the media and professional journalists who frequent this site daily so they can be informed exactly what the ole' snake is up to without having to sit through the boring programs and watch fifty-four straight minutes of commercials and 4:30 of hypocritical preaching each day. I thank all of you as well. One day this forum will be yours to use as "Ground Zero" for re-imprisoning the con artist who took the other 9-11 "Ground Zero" and cashed in on it. Anything I can possibly do to help you journalists, as you already well know, I will gladly do. Your comments are welcomed and appreciated. Each one of the entities I mentioned knows how to use a Jim Bakker forum to discuss the issues. The Bakker supporters will not even come here and grant themselves a screen name and stick with it. They all post under "Anonymous". They do not want what they are saying to even be remembered as themselves saying it!
I am out of here now. After three full days of sitting on my kitchen counter, my Dino Cake has finally thawed and I think I'll grab me a quick bite!
Yes, the anti-Bakker comments are jokes but the pro-Bakker comments are dead serious. If you don't believe that, just ask Susan Ruiz. I'm sure she can help straighten you out there.
Televangelist Jim Bakker’s Road to Redemption
By Hanna Rosin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, August 11, 1999; Page C1
(excerpt)
Note: Bakker dropped out of Bible college and never completed his studies
"...Bakker learned "more in prison than in Bible college," he says. He learned above all that the meek shall inherit the Earth, that his 40-room mansion and air-conditioned doghouse and 12 cars were part of an ungodly "arrogant lifestyle" – a realization he came to a few months after he was initially denied parole.
"I believed, the Bible said, above all, God wants you to prosper. Well, when I went to prison, I began to study the Bible and realize Jesus Christ didn't have anything good to say about money," he says in his sermon. "He called money 'the deceitfulness of riches.' He said, 'Woe unto the rich...'"
It's Joe C. I can't figure out. He has a cigar smokey back room meeting with Bakker, refuses to reveal anything that was said on this open forum. Then decides to throw his hat in the arena and run for Mayor. What's with that? Point of interest: watch for how much a contribution Bakker donates to the campaign. You know Dino cakes and coffee will be served at those fundraisers.
dino cake is right, they taste like they were made in the stone age when dinosars ruled
to 8:17, It is just a couple of anti-Bakker posters that are guilty. Craig and the Kool-aid-Kid. Craig talks about "cottage cheese" which was gross and Kool-aid-Kid who attacks the slightest comment like it was a personal affront to his manhood. Other then that the others are not too bad, JoeC. is fair, BroD is intelligently consistent, Tanya is smart and analytical. Ron owns the place so he's the boss, is very funny when he attacks and pretty square with everyone. Kool-aid-Kid has a lot of fans so he'll go on as usual same as Craig.
Anon"Zombie Psychlogist"@ 1046am
You know what zombie psychlogist, let's have you lay an the couch and I'll ask you a few questions. Okay? Good. Here's some cake. Now tell me what you think of when you think of the Kool-Aid Kid?
"Kool-aid-Kid attacks the slightest comment like it was a personal affront to his manhood."
You seem to have some issues about manhood of others ... perhaps you even have insecure thoughts about your manhood too. mmmmmmm ... we may get back to that another time Bakker zombie.
Do you have any positive thoughts about the Kool-Aid Kid?
"Kool-aid-Kid has a lot of fans so he'll go on as usual"
Does it bother you that Kool-Aid Kid is popular as you say and that this person will carry on going toe to toe with rude Bakker zombies?
Session is over. No cake for you.
See what I mean about KaK?^^^^^^^
See what I mean about you Bakker Zombie? LOL
Divide and conquer is a strategy that I see you painfully trying to attempt. Good try zombie.
@11.23- Smart!!
@rebel
You respect these kids for joining a cult and blindly giving jim their loyalty? Something tells me you aren't really a rebel.
About the cottage cheese, if those girls are going to a pizza joint in bikinis they should cover up. Jim may claim that silver sol will fix that but jim is a lying con artist.
Porky, no need to worry about wallowing in the mud, I'm sure you have a golden key to the bath house.
I'm looking back at this post and the dog picture really cracks me up. He's holding his head and snout skyward in defiance of the Junk Man and his bagged hand. He seems to be telling us, "You can take my Doghood, but you will never take my Dognity."
Let me restate that. Fake pastor jim bakker is a lying liar who tells lies about other lies that he has previously lied about. Just wanted to clarify that.
BTW. Bakker isn't even his real last name, it is Tammy's maiden name. Lol. How's Loopy Lori feel about having jim's ex's maiden name for her last name?
Jimbo paid Joe C. some hush money and now he is not keeping us updated on the happenings around Morningside any longer.
Brother Dortch, Ariel and Santwanne have answered your question, but I still have not seen you address theirs?
As far as Susan Ruiz, you can contact her at trytrustingjesus@aol.com for any questions and she will be happy to discuss her situation!
Another possible pizza: the bakker special, take and bake. A bag of wheat to grind for crust and contains two servings. It comes in a non bio degradable bucket with nothing else. For a love gift of $20 it is the best deal.
I look at the above photo of the Junkman and the bottle and am reminded of the 80s flick "The God's must be Crazy", where the little South African Bushman finds the Coke bottle and his stoneage tribe finds all kind of miraculous uses for it.
Nothing to report Uncle Henry. Hush money huh? Pretty strong accusation.
to 4:14.... He bought Joe C. for a extra large Dino cake, and a couple quarts of Silver-Sol.
Another Pizza idea: Ozark Hillbilly Roadkill Pizza......Should be a big hit with those folk. Bill Whaley would surely go for it.
I think Uncle Henry is accusing Joe C of participating in a bath house session. Say it ain't so Joe.
Hey Ron! CHeck your spam. I think Lori Beth, Cindy Jacobs & Kelli Copeland conspired with the devil to put my last posting in there!
Joe has sure participated in some kind of hanky panky. Remember when he was all gung ho about being able to meet Jimbo and promised he would tell us all about it. We heard nothing, and since then he has had additional secret meetings and refuses to keep us informed! I'm starting to agree with Grandma Maxine that he is a phoney balony and doesnt even live in Blue Eye!
Brother Dortch how come you wont respond to Ariels question? Have you been called out and put in your place?
Say it aint so, Joe and Bro!
Uncle Henry. What is the question you want answered? No one wants to scroll back through the comments, just ask it again.
Hmm, uncle henry. I'm tired of waiting. I don't think you're a zombie but you may have been bitten by one. Kool Aid Kid has set aside some cake for you, just in case.
Hello Craig !
A big slice of carrot "dino" cake has been set aside for good ole Uncle Henry. ;)
KAK. I think uncle henry had some earlier posts. I haven't looked back to see what else he's said. You're in charge of giving out treats but I think he needs a nimble.
Kool Aid & Craig--Zach and the boys are lusting after Joe C and Brother D in a homosexual manner. He wants to perform some of "God's work" on them! LOL LOL LOL !!!
Zach acts like he has been doing a lot of "God's work" on Jim, for about four years now! LOL LOL LOL LOL!!!!!!!!!
Anon"comedian"troll@848pm
Not funny troll.
Where did you come from?
I came from the bath house. We do a lot of "God's work" there, just ask Jim!
Anon"comedian"@911pm
No troll I'll let you talk to Jim about that ...
yawn ... you know for a troll comedian you are very boring. No cake for you.
Well then I am not going to be meeting you at the bath house and I am not going to perform any of "God's work" on you. I'll wait for Dino to show up. He will like it better than you will, Silly boy!
You are starting to lose whatever audience you had troll and you know something? I'm asking for a refund because you are a terrible comedian. Curtains closing on your act.
That settles it! I'm telling Zach on you. He may just never write enything on your blog ever again when he hears about this.
LOL!!! You don't even know Zach you silly troll! That settles that. Now be a good little unfunny troll and run along now.
Uncle Henry stated that Brother Dortch did not answer Ariel's question, implies this means that Brother Dortch has been "put in his place," and then never posts the original question - even though Craig requested the question be re-posted.
No surprise there. Bakker-supporters tend to use a screen name a couple of times - if at all - and we have not had a sustained and on-topic conversation yet.
I didn't remember a question of Screen Name Ariel's that did not get addressed, so consider this a Foodbucket Fanpage public service: I scrolled though the comments and found "Ariel's" posts.
Here are the 2 questions that were in Ariel's comments:
(1) "What does it matter what state we come from?" (regarding the fake school)
(2) "Have you seen me selling any love gifts?"
Brother Dortch and I both answered Question #2, Uncle Henry, did you miss that? Ariel also answered her own question - I don't know if she realized it.
Here is the combination of my and Brother D's answer: Ariel is shown plugging in the fuel-less generator, Ariel was involved in the wheat selling, and Ariel sits on stage while love gifts are being sold (also, as she is a "student" we can assume that she runs cameras, or edits... although her YouTube video said that right now she is taking out the garbage... hmm...maybe in future she will be permitted to run the cameras and edit) - yes, she and everyone else who participates or helps run that show are involved in selling love gifts.
(As for Ariel answering herself - she wrote "I was in a production grinding wheat..." - yes, grinding the wheat and baking the bread - in a commercial for selling the wheat that is being used as a love gift.)
So that leaves Question #1 - Brother Dortch can answer when he gets around to it, if he cares to, in the meantime perhaps I can pinch hit:
The point of mentioning what state students come from was only a bit of education about the school system. In the real world, and the real school system, the cost of attending school will most likely be the lowest in your home state - once you consider tuition, books, housing, food, etc. So if a person was interested in attending a real school that would result in them having real credentials, and money was a concern, that person would be best served by looking to accredited schools in their home state first.
So there you have it, Uncle Henry. Ariel posted 2 questions, and now you have answers to those questions.
If you would like to ask a question yourself, Uncle Henry, why don't you go ahead and ask?
Tanya:
The question had already been answered and thank-you for exercising far more patience with the wayward children that I have. Such remarks are not designed to engage in intelligent dialogue. They are designed to simply serve as a smoke screen to focus attention away from the main issues such as author Charles Shepard's quotation that has been posted here twice and has failed to garner so much as one response.
In the future, I will no longer be responding to the children's questions when it is obvious they have either not been following along here on the postings or, if they have, must be the dumbest of human beings the Good Lord ever created. I find that I am severely out of my element in even attempting to hold an intelligent conversation with the brainwashed children of Morningside. There is a wealth of knowledge here for each of the so-called "students" to learn from and, much like an alcoholic, they cannot be expected to get help until they, personally, decide that they are in need of it.
In the future, when you see such juvenile postings ignored, you now know why. I am here for intelligent dialogue, not childish nonsense that was written by someone with the brains of a seventh grader, if that. I will not be responding to any of them.
The Charles Shepard quotation, as published in both The Charlotte Observer and PEOPLE Magazine is what I am seeking a response to. Until someone so responds, I will not be playing any games with their juvenile selves.
Once again, for the third time, award winning author Charles Shepard had this to say about Jim Bakker and a traveling companion, in both PEOPLE Magazine as well as in The Charlotte Observer. He stated there that:
"...Shepard recounts that one aide who traveled often with Bakker, a married man, used to give Bakker back rubs that Bakker took as a prelude to masturbation. Though upset and disgusted by his role as Bakker's geisha, the employee explained that Bakker compensated him for this arousal service with an unlimited budget, travel and his assurance that this was God's work..."
I am seeking to learn how any of this conduct amounts to doing "God's work" at all. If someone is intelligent enough to answer that, I am certainly willing to listen and then, after I do, maybe we can move on to the subject of "Kevin's House" or Susan Ruiz--something that makes the Bakker backers scatter faster than the scent of a skunk up there in them Ozark hills!
To the poster above who is seeking answers, etc., regarding the bizarre, over-the-top narcissism of Jim Bakker.
This is what decades of so-called "Christian TV" has produced - these people who think they are to be esteemed as quasi-gods because they have a red phone on speed-dial to heaven's executive offices.
This self-imposed "specialness" leads them to rationalize any illegal, immoral, unethical behavior they want to pursue. I.e., "if you 'minister' to God's man or woman, you're helping out God."
In my opinion, the vast majority of so-called "Christian TV" is a disgrace to the cause of Christ. Bakker prominently included.
And no, I'm not a devil-worshiper or a witch. I am an ordained minister with a divinity college degree.
J316
Re: Minister at 10:25
Thank God there are people in this world like you! You have exercised more intelligence in your recent posting than I have seen in over one year of Morningside children's responses to this blog. I couldn't agree with you more. Excellent post!
P.S.--Don't worry about being called a "witch" by Bakker's followers. Susan Ruiz was and she never let that deter her from maintaining her steadfast faith in God. She simply got up and moved out of there and she is happily involved with another local church in the Branson area. The tragic thing about her scenerio, other than the fact that it happened in the first place, is the fact that Bakker, himself, had the ability and power to step in and stop this witch hunt immediately and, instead, chose to do absolutely nothing. That makes him, as far as I'm concerned, just as guilty as anyone involved in this caper. It is another of the many things he will have to answer for one day in the future. Thanks again for your excellent response.
I hear the sounds of Bakker zombies awakening from their slumber. Out of the moronside crypt their stumble, ready to attack with no thought of answering questions that the Bucket members have asked them. Prove me wrong moronside zombies and cryptkeeper. Prove me wrong.
Brother Dortch: yes, I remember you saying you were not going to answer a bunch of diversion questions. I suspected 'Uncle Henry' had some other question in mind, and perhaps thought no-one would scroll back and find what Ariel really posted.
Now that the "Ariel" questions have been put to bed for an I-don't-know-how-many-number-of-times, lets' see what the Bakker-supporters have to offer.
I suspect if there is any concrete information posted, it will be a mind-numbing repetition of Nate and Charlotte and what great jobs they both now have - despite the fact that no supporting evidence can be found for either claim. (note: an internship is not a permanent job with full employee benefits.)
Smoke screen is a good word for it.
Another day is ahead of us, let's see what we get today...
to Kool-aid-Kid, quit talking in riddles in hopes of getting nominated for poet laureat of this foodbucket. You're supposed to eat that delicious Dino cake not smoke it. You need to get your head straight you poor mixed up, deluded soul and stop uttering gibberish nonsense, lay off fermenting the silver sol.
Yawn - Yawn - Yawn
Hoo boy!
Ron? Ron?
We need some levity, here, Ron - please?
Ron? Come back home, Ron. We need you!
...until then, you've lost me. :-(
Anon"Zombie Riddler"@1107am
Riddle me this then Bakker zombie?
A certain crime is punishable if attempted but not punishable if committed. What is it?
Answer: Suicide!
If the frog asked you to drink the kool-aid I have no doubt you would you mindless moronside zombie.
What about "attempted murder" or attempted anything for that matter? When completed it is deemed murder and not punishable under the 'attempted" stature.
... very good. ;)
I think if Joe C. gets elected Mayor of Morningside the first issue on his agenda will be to run all the scoundrels, riff-raff, rogues, dastards, carpetbaggers and Bakkerites out of town on a rail. You got my support JoeC.
...and all the while they attack Kool Aid, they simply choose to ignore the very true and highly accurate information, as authored by a gentleman who won journalism's highest honor, The Pulitzer Prize.
Yes folks, let's talk now about Kool Aid's poetry and ignore "God's work" as it was supposedly being done on those occasions when Charles Shepard interviewed a man who traveled with Jim Bakker and told him about what really happened on the various trips.
That's right! Let's use the public's airwaves to sell a product that is not recognized or recommended by The United States government (Silver Sol) and then accuse Kool Aid of fermenting it. All the while Bakker, himself, a few weeks ago on his live broadcast, told the story of how, in addition to every drug known to mankind, his own wife used to get high on mushrooms! That's it! Poetry....that's what the people want to discuss here....poetry!
Let's forget about what a former Bakker employee here posted in which they told of not one, but two Morningside residents, who were so brainwashed about the healing powers of Silver Sol that they had to be rushed to the hospital because they went off their medications thinking the Silver Sol would heal them instead. Nope, we certainly don't need to discuss that here, do we?
Certainly not!
It's poetry we need to talk about! Yes, that's it...poetry! That is what is wrong in the cult compound in Blue Eye, Missouri....poetry!
Mary had a little lamb
Its fleece was white as snow
If you live at Morningside
To hell is where you'll go!
Rev 10:25AM == Sour Grapes.
THINK DINO CAKE.
Anon@1216pm
THINK? Just don't THINK dino cakes ... bake and eat them. I've baked two delicous Bakker fav carrot dino cakes today and will hand out slices to deserving moronsider zombies.
Pastry chef and ever faithful zombie Dino says "Thank you kindly" and remember "I'm only the piano player".
Dino!!! OMG!!!
I know the chances of you being the "real deal" is a very low percentage, but thanks for the laugh today never the less.
Something is truly going array at the JB Show. I could understand during January and February the re-runs and one day tapes stretched into a weeks worth of shows. But now it's Easter week and the same weird re-run telemarketing show is proceeding.
And what's with Jim (in the past few weeks) making sure he mentions that he lives in a "parsonage" instead of the "our three story condo" line he has used for years.
It also seems Jerry Crawford is close to bankruptcy and is going to have to sell his assets in Morningside. I'm sure Jim (and the board of directors) are horrified to think they may have a partial owner that doesn't get their "vision". God forbid they let unchristian people buy some of the condos! Well, I guess Mormons would be OK, since Jim and Lori have had a vision that Mitt Romney is secretly a fundamentalist Christian.
The show has been reduced to Jim and Lori sitting at a cheap boardroom table with the kids selling products. It's like watching a group of bobble head dolls agreeing with every utterance the "profit" makes.
I'm afraid the reality show may be close to being cancelled. Jim is sounding more and more like "Floyd the Barber" on the Andy Griffith Show. He starts a sentence then mumbles into incoherent babble, unable to complete his thought.
Because of all the damage and corruption your poetry has caused, Kool-Aid, there will be no dancing around the baby grand for you tonight as people yell out "Opa" or "Oprah" after the Morningside masters Media College graduation ceremony which is scheduled to air tonight at 7:00 CST (8:00 EST) on the webcast channel.
Might I suggest enrolling as a student in the college, yourself, so that Morningside College professor, James Chapman, head of the Morningside College English & Writing Department, can instruct you on the proper manner in which to compose poetry and write in a more professional manner?
Maybe if you do, it will put a stop to the vast corruption and homosexual acts your poetry has been accused of causing for all these years!
The Crawfords want out of Morningside so bad they can't see straight. If they don't declare bankrupcy and do sell out, the new owners could demand an independent audit which, when completed, could greatly aid in Bakker and crew being hauled out of there in handcuffs. If they do declare bankrupcy, the U.S. government then steps in and runs the place through the court system and that is even a more surefire way to expose the fraud that Bakker has been getting away with.
God bless the Crawfords! First they thought they would be helping out the Bakkers. Then after their friendship sours, they are now helping out the American public by seeing to it this con artist rots in a cell where he belongs. That day cannot come soon enough for me.
Let me make something perfectly clear. I was not "plugging" anything and was just in a production baking bread and pancakes with other students! You have never seen me advertising a love gift on air.
I have answered Bro Dortch's question several times and given 2 examples of former MMC student success stories. I certainly dont keep in touch with everybody who graduated but I'm sure there are several more. Furthermore, it's no surprise that Bro Dortch is evading my questions and refuses to respond in an intelligent manner so he is skirting the issues!
Zach, Nolan, Sasha have it made. Most of the Morningside kids never get to see the studio or operate the video and camera equipment or even work on the production aspect. The unfortunate majority work in the warehouse as order pickers, processors and shrink wrappers. Lots of heavy lifting, and stacking crates and palletizing in a non-airconditioned environment. you're lucky to have a hand truck never mind a forklift (which is operated by the certifide paid employees) the morningside kids are like Temps.
Ariel,
You need to immediately get into the exercise room at Morningside and take off that weight that a nineteen year old girl should not have. You are starting to look exactly like Sasha and Tammy Sue in your double-wide hip area.
Then, after you do, get some brains in your head and come back here and act like you have some sense. Right now, you not only look like, but are acting like, a wheat grinding fool!
Bakker, give the other kids a shot! Let them sit up front with you and the Missus and let their parents and friends see them doing well. What? Maybe they don't match your idea of beauty and are not as photogenic and handsome as Zach or Nolanis that it. So what! The good Lord loves them just as much even if they don't suit your image of your ideal sidekick. Be fair, their money is just as good. What say you Papa Jim?
Ariel, dont forget about Santwanne who also began a successful career in media.
You're correct in saying that Bro Dotch is eluding the questions that were posed to him. He basically was put in his place and is now running off red faced with his tail between his legs!
I agree something is going on at Morningside. They get new equipment then play reruns. I guess the followers of Jim Bakker are not getting their moneys worth for the donations they gave for buying the new equipment lol
Also, Jared Ballanger and Breezy have positions in media with bright futures. That should be enough examples to keep the Brother running!
Kelsey Brown and John too!
I would think the best career Jared Ballenger could ever have is to work for the Clearasil Corporation. Maybe then, they could test out some new products on him and they could, once and for all, get rid of all those pesky little pimples all over his face!
LOL LOL LOL LOL !!!!!
Ariel has not been snarjy in any comments she has made. If that's really her, I think that's great. She's entitled to her opinion and she's very respectful stating it.
I absolutely cannot believe that the people who have donated money to "keep the show on the air" are okay with Pastor Jim taking Easter week off. How many of the elderly that tune in to the JBS and buy "love gifts" are missing out on the beautiful Easter message? I just don't believe it. The flock needs a shepherd, and what time is better than Easter to teach all the souls what Christ is all about? For shame - to whomever said Jim was saving souls.... think on this.
Dick Dortch is fleeing tonight!!!
Hello Opa!!
Lots of laughs here on the Bucket today! LOL Thanks. ;))
The students are upset tonight. Tonight is the big graduation ceremony where some of them will receive a totally useless document for working in the warehouse, in non-air conditioned surroundings, that tells people after shipping out all those food buckets they are now media stars. Now, what shipping food buckets has to do with media, I do not know. But what I do know is, let them get out of there finally once and for all. It can only be an improvement. Maybe they can join Nate and Charlet in helping to run NBC?
To all you bakker backers,
These names of MM grads that supposedly have jobs are meaningless. A real school publishes a list of successful graduates and positions they hold, where they work, and the year they graduated along with their major.
Tell us that type of information and I might believe. But as of now, I think everything about morningside is fake and anything a bakker backer, aka zombie, says is a lie. Prove me wrong if you can.
They get that document in lieu of pay for working in that rat infested warehouse, and then they think they are ahead of the game and can go out into the real world and work for Fox, CNBC and other media outlets. They are soon to be dishearted and in for a major awakening when they learn the only real practical experience they have is helping to unload that state of the art equipment from FEDEX and UPS vans and don't know which side of a camera does what. Oh that's fine though! As long as Zach or Nolan make out OK that's the important thing. Christianity at Bakker's place consists of taking delight that the chosen ones are making out like bandits while the homely, wallflowers, and average kids settle for jobs in environments that are hot, noisey and dirty.
Sasha has beautiful eyes. Is she Russian? Her eyes are almost Asian.
Dino says: "If you like our Dino cakes, you'll just love our Moon pies". Seriously.
People are going to think I am making this stuff up or saying this as a funny joke. I am NOT making this up and, no...it is NOT A JOKE!
Bakker was on TV for the annual Masters Media College graduation and he immediately lauched into a tyrade about the bath house now being completed. He next showed actual camera footage inside the bath house and, while the camera was panning the bath house, you saw two feet and blue jeans and tennis shoes underneath the stall dividers. Someone was taking a crap as the camera panned and Bakker put it out over the air! He apologized and said, "Oh, I didn't know somebody was using the bathroom" or words to that effect.
Amazing....truly amazing!
BUT TRUE!
I still cannot stop laughing!
Sure Hope that redneck washed his hands after his dump before stiring the dino cake batter.^^^
Lol Bro D. Lol.
Dammit zach. Can't you wait till after the video tour?
Hey Brother D,
I think the student got extra credit for that assignment!
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL !!!!!!
Bro D
Thanks for the laughs. That is too funny, I already have a mental picture of it!
Once again, please know that what I said was true--not a joke. And people wonder why these students have not been able to get a job???
Brother Dortch--Now I think I know why everyone says those food bucket dishes taste so bad!
I think if that was Zach they would have known he was there long before they turned the corner. Maybe Nolan, he looks like the kind of guy who sits down to take a pee.
ROFLMAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When the camera started panning, first they (after they showed the outside of the bath house) showed the sinks on the inside of the bath house. Bakker apologized then too. He said, while showing the sinks, that he was sorry the mirrors were not put in yet but they were on their way. Then the camera started panning the stall area and even Bakker was surprised because whoever had shot the video had not edited the person crapping out. He saw the person's legs and shoes and he quickly apologized again and then went...very quickly without missing a beat....on to ask for money for the college.
Bro Dortch how about answering the questions asked of you instead of making up stories to evade the issues!
That was THE FUNNIEST STORY I have ever heard about the students! Thank-you Brother D !!!!!!!!!!!!
@6:07. Yawn. Go clean the bakker picture frame in your condo before one of your cult buddies report you to Dear Leader.
lol,lol, What made it so funny is that it was true!!! lol, lol
Mirrors are useless there. Those zombies and vampires and living dead can't see their own reflections anyways.
Saw a re-run tonight in my area. I would like to post an exerpt from the show.
Jim speaking:I want to tell you a little secret. Jerry Jones, this unit is protected by their distri..... for their distributors. No one can have a reduced price on this unit. It is protected, it is... the...the way it was set up legally and all,....thats they can't cut the price. Frank Davis said he will donate to our ministry, to you, I believe it's 800 dollars. PAUSE Jones chimes in: It's 950.00 (Lori Oohs and Aaahs). Jones says: Thats right. Bakker says: It was 800.00 this morning. Oh, I know, he's throwing in something else, etc, etc etc. THIS IS ALL WITH TAX EXEMPT STATUS BOYS AND GIRLS.
According to a recent conversation, The 32 acre plot that Lori's house is situated, was approved to be annexed into the city of Blue Eye. It is believed that enough registered voters within the city limits voted against the ruling within the 14 day period allowed by law. I would like to add, If I may, some of those votes came from within Morningside. According to trusted sources, the annexation attempt will be dropped and Morningside will procede to build Lori's House via Stone County Planning and Zoning requirements. Anything past that would be mere speculation on my part......
If anybody happens to know what show number or numbers Jim promoted Silver Sol, please post. It will help a very worthy cause.
@8:41
It's on all of them. You'll need to specify which false claim you need for your cause.
Anything related to Silver Sol
Craig,
There were specific shows where they claimed many cures. Good stuff for the Prosecuting attorney.
@ Ariel (1:42pm): I'm not sure I see your logic - "you have never seen me advertising a love gift on the air."
You acknowledge you were in a "production" baking bread and pancakes made out of the wheat Jim Bakker is selling - and that wheat is now being sold as a "love gift." Since that video was recorded, Jim Bakker uses that piece of footage (of you and others baking the assorted wheat product) as a commercial in his show - i.e., he uses your image, that of you using the wheat and enjoying the resultant products, to sell the wheat.
Perhaps you are unaware of this: when the TV show runs, Zach says "we'll be back after an important message" and that video of you and others baking with the wheat runs - at the same time, there is a banner at the bottom of the screen advertising the number to call if you want to buy the wheat, the price of the wheat (plus shipping and handling), and that it is a "love gift."
There is no way around this one that I can see - if you are the student Ariel at Morningside, then you are participating in the selling of love gifts.
Further to the above point, if we go with your assertion, Ariel, that you are *not* selling anything - and your stance so far in these comments suggests you are against your image being used to sell - what are you doing at Morningside, a place that runs on love gifts? If you are not OK with your image being used to sell the wheat, then are you also not OK with using the benefits that come with selling, like the video cameras? Or is it OK to use the cameras (and assorted other things) as long as you don't think about where the money came from?
I mean no disrespect, I only would like to understand the logic behind your comments.
Tanya, Please be aware also that, during the live Bakker show from the couch on the set, when Bakker was selling the wheat and portable grinder, it was Ariel on the stage standing up and grinding the wheat with the grinder as Bakker was selling the product live on the air. The Morningside kids are messing around here and acting like they don't have a brain in their heads. Do not believe the post is even from Ariel. I am hoping she is not that dumb.
I read with interest the article written by Professor Stephen Wizenburg of the Communications Department of Grand View College in Des Moines, Iowa. This article's excerps are posted here (March 27, 2012 1:27 a.m.)
In it, the professor says that Bakker's show:
"...includes frequent mistakes and camera errors. It all adds to the underdog picture that Bakker likes to paint of himself…Unfortunately, most of his rhetoric leads to the raising of money...Despite prison promises to change, Bakker has unfortunately returned to his old bad habits. His major flaw is that he builds a ministry on credit, then he expects viewers to bail him out. In one particularly embarrassing episode of the show, Bakker had a huge display board of all the cities in America where the show airs, with the amount needed to stay on the air in each city and the number of people who had contributed. In some cities he had only two contributors! This is a man who gets himself into deep debt under the guise of God calling him to expand the ministry, then he harasses viewers for not supporting him. Bakker has not learned his lesson even after years in prison..."
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The professor has hit the nail on the head. I would love to hear what the professor has to say about the embarrasing camera work on the bath house tour. To have such an embarrassing event occur on the students graduation day, when all the parents and relatives of these students (if they have any) are supposedly watching makes Bakkers workshop look as bad as the punks who attend it look here on this blog with their lack of intellect. I'm sorry, I can't see this situation lasting very long, especially with Bakker's age and the Crawford's immenent departure. Something has got to give. This drama can't go on forever.
Bro Dortch come out come out wherever you are hiding and respond to the allegations levied against you!
Also, I have never seen Ariel giving a sales pitch for a love gift so she is correct in her statement. She was filmed grinding wheat and baking bread which was subsequently used as a background piece. I'm sure that before becoming a student there papers are signed to be able to use their likeness.
The most blatant episode selling Silver Sol is episode 1921 in the show archives in the jbs show site. If you have the time, try watching episode 1919 and 1920, then try 1922, 1923 and so on, because usually these guests tape for a week. You can also do a google search for "Jim Bakker Silver Sol" and it will link you to the video on the home page with episode numbers at the top and then you can go from there.
For a love gift of only $50 you can purchase the full video seminar by the good doctor that was taped at Morningside. Seriously.
Ariel is trying to say there is a difference between demonstrating a product and actually speaking the sales pitch. We are saying that there is no difference.
Uncle Henry, while you wait for the good bro D to respond here's some carrot Dino cake to munch on. ;)
Ariel and Uncle Henry are correct and Kool Aid Kid, you have been drinking the kool aid along with the good Brother Dortch and Tonya.
You know what zombie, I was all set to serve cake today and now you have gone and said that ... ;(
No cake for you. ;)
@3:37am: thanks for pointing out that Ariel was grinding the wheat on stage - that can be added to the list of how Ariel participated in the selling of love gifts.
Three points:
(1) If it is truly Ariel the Morningside student posting these comments, and she really believes she is not selling love gifts - logical thinking is clearly a problem, and she would benefit from a school that had more than an "academic element" (this is how the Media Program is described in Jim Bakker's materials regarding his "school"). I don't mean this in an attacking way - simply that in future, if she chooses to pursue a career in media (or anything else), she will need the ability to think logically.
(2) If it is truly Ariel the Morningside student posting these comments, and she is aware she participates in selling love gifts, and is only posting these comments to provoke useless exchanges - that is a form of trolling (one of the more subtle variations).
(3) If it is *not* Ariel the Morningside student, and someone is posting and pretending to be her in order to provoke useless exchanges: (a) that is a form of trolling, (b) that is unethical behaviour - and I ask the person behind the "Ariel" screen name to think beyond whatever satisfaction they are getting from posting in these comments, and consider what it means to pretend you are someone else, assign specific beliefs to that person (that may not be accurate), and use that made-up perspective in public discussions. How would you feel if you found out someone was doing the same thing to you?
Ode To The Bakker Bathhouse
The moronside cafe served Zach some green beans like grandma used to pick and snap.
After eating Zach felt sick and knew he needed a big crap.
Huffing and puffing he stumbled out to find some relief.
What he found was a sign that was beyond belief.
The sign said Moronside Bathhouse and it looked all brand new.
"Oh great", said Zach, "maybe I'll be the first one to be filmed taking a poo!".
@ Uncle Henry: your comment does not really further the discussion.
How about you refer to my April 6, 10:44pm explanation, and tell me how my logic is incorrect?
And, in your response, which I am interested in, you could address the additional information provided by 3:37am - Ariel was on the stage grinding wheat while Jim Bakker was selling it, so yes, she was directly involved in the sales pitch.
Your argument - unproven argument, as you only said "I'm sure that before becoming a student there papers are signed to be able to use their likeness" (i.e., you being "sure" is not verifiable) - does not stand up to live, on-stage and on air participation.
While we are discussing this - what is your answer to the point about staying at the "school?" If Ariel does not believe or approve of the selling of love gifts, why does she choose to stay and reap the benefits of the selling?
Kool Aid & Tanya:
He is going to be waiting a long time--a very long time. About as long as I wait for one legit response to every logical point I bring up on this forum. But, if he has the time, let him wait! LOL !!!!
You see when you put kids behind cameras and audio equipment without any guidance from a qualified teacher you're going to get pictures of guys taking a poop, and other assorted bloopers and practical jokes. That doesn't surprise me, what surprises me is that there are not a lot more disasters. Like kids electrocuting themselves and blowing up equipment, I like to see the accident reports at that farm.
Jim says "when the bad times come and there is no food, gangs will come and take what they want from you." Hey Jim, how about including a gun with our food buckets to protect ourselves and our buckets? All the products he sells can be ordered on line at a fraction of the cost he sells them for.
As I have correctly pointed out in this forum many times, this Morningside "college" (as Jim puts it) employs not so much as even one professor. When you run a "college" in that fashion you are going to have footage of a guy taking a crap in the bath house going out over the airwaves that church donors have donated money to pay for. That is what their money has bought--one guy crapping over national television. Too bad the camera did not record the inside of the stall. There is a very good chance that, in order to have money left over to put expensive fuel in that church bought boat, Bakker is saving money by having the guy wipe his ass with the Sears catalog! ROFLMAO !!!!!
The place up there in them thar hills reminds me of a Christian "Three Stooges". But, at least the Three Stooges were billed as an entertainment act. The fact that Jim Bakker is serious in thinking this "college" is worthwhile has just been flushed right down the toilet!
LOL LOL LOL LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL
I'm surprised they have modern toilets at all. I can picture that place with the old "outhouse" with the door and "moon" window in the front. Every six months having to dig a new hole to relocate the outhouse. Wiping their butts with the discarded corncobs from the freeze dryed corn buckets. Surprised Junkman has not suggested that.
BroD we're all waiting but the only thing we hear is silence. You and the kool-aids-kid must be having one big hootennanny with that there fermented kool-aid.
"Silence" is rampant in these comments.
Some questions that are already out there and ready to be further addressed:
(1) No response from "Ariel" &/or Uncle Henry - what is the problem with the logic in my April 6, 10:44 post?
(2) No comments about the YouTube video of Zach ("Life's Not Fair"). The graphic on Zach's shirt appears in reverse throughout the video. Since this is the product of the "school," does it seem the students are getting proper education/training?
(3) No video of the students helping their neighbors after the tornado. Jim said they helped, but he has everything filmed (apparently even private bathroom moments) - the fact that a video is on YouTube showing the destruction, but not any helping suggests they may not have helped. (Mondo carrying one box is not sustained help, it is a photo-op.) If evidence exists that Morningside did help, and this would put Morningside in a positive light, why has it not been posted? (a sub-set question - what was the motivation to edit and post the video of the destruction first?)
(4) No further comments on the variety of reasons Jim Bakker has given for being sent to prison: he made a mistake, Man condemned him, his Ministry was stolen from him, prison was his personal desert to give him time to read the Bible, and, most recent - God spoke to him and told Jim he would spend one day in prison for every Sabbath day he did not rest. Why so many reasons? A sub-set question: Lori said Jim works 7 days a week. What happened to resting on the Sabbath day? Was Jim lying about God speaking to him, is Jim ignoring God, or are Jim and Lori lying now?
(5) It is Easter weekend, and no new shows. Other people have already said: is this not an appropriate time to have new shows, that perhaps do not focus on selling?
(6) What happened to the promised plaque on the Jesus statue with all the donors' names on it?
(7) No further answers to the question "why do anyone's religious beliefs matter, when this blog is about the actions of Jim Bakker - and *not* about religion, God, the existence of God, or anything other than Jim's actions?"
We are stuck at: why do the religious beliefs of posters matter? Because it does.
And two new questions:
(A) Jim states often that they are running out of food, the bonus food won't last more than a few hours, or the food won't last at the current prices - yet we know that shows air days/weeks after taping, shows air on different days in different areas, and shows repeat. How can Jim give a time frame? It seems to be a way to increase pressure to buy now. In other time-sensitive shows there is often a notation that says "previously filmed." I have yet to see that in Jim's shows. How can he perpetually be on the brink of being out of food?
(B) Jim asks for money for the "school" - and said his students are preaching to the younger generation. Look at the YouTube channel - not much preaching going on. In fact, look at the video "Who Am I?" - if you can make it through the entire video, please explain what the relevance of this video is. What are the students doing with the new cameras that were meant to be for the Youth Ministry?
Bakker "Country BillyBob" Hillbilly @ 600pm
You know something Bakker hillbilly, I wasn't sure what you meant by "hootenanny" so I looked it up;
Hootenanny is a synonymous with thingamajig or whatchamacallit. Hootenanny was also an old country word for "party". Now, most commonly, it refers to a folk-music party.
Hey Bro D! This silly hillbilly thinks you and I are drinking some of the thingamajig in that whatchamcallit bottle over there. OMG look at the time Bro D we better be going to that wild and crazy folkmusic festive at the compound!!!
LOL LOL LOL
It seems as thought the good Bro Dortch has joined Joe C. in hiding. They were pressed for answers and then quickly changed the subject to avoid addressing them. They are both like a couple of roaches in the dark when you turn the lights on. When they were exposed they scattered quickly!
Uncle Henry
You disappoint me ... you really do. The biggest cockroach is the frog. Let's try not to forget that and if you promise to not call Bro D and Joe C names then I'll give you some cake.
I'd love to find a roach motel big enough for the frog but I would be concerned it would trap you too Uncle Zombie. ;((
Jim Bakker is good people. This site is pure baloney. Mr Bakker will be measured by the good he has done and it is plentiful, doing good is all that place Morningside is about. helping their fellow man. Good Christian works and unselfish deeds, day in and day out. You got here that Kool-aid_kid worried about Zach and people taking poops, and you don't sacrifice your life to ideals. Measure for measure Mr Bakker does more in the line of righteousness then most folk here give him credit for. He heard the call when the twisters hit Branson and had his people there with food, and flashlights and fresh water in the bottles. He got his hands dirty while you fair weather folks sit back and commented negative things about the ministry. I call it a ministry of love cause that's what they do, have love and concern about their fellows, lot of jealousy with the folk who think Mr Bakker profits financially, Mr Bakker budgets himself a pittance a week to survive on. The money goes to the poor deserving folk. Get off his back for once and for all.
Anon "good people finder"@924am
"Jim Bakker is good people"
Wrong. Good people do not break laws and find ways around the law Mr. Good People Finder.
"This site is pure baloney"
Wrong. I have served plenty of "dino" cakes here. Here have a slice.
"Mr Bakker will be measured by the good he has done and it is plentiful, doing good is all that place Morningside is about. helping their fellow man."
Wrong. Glad to see you found the time to list these good works. LOL
"You got here that Kool-aid_kid worried about Zach and people taking poops,"
Wrong. I'm not worried, I'm laughing. I think you are worried though.
"Mr Bakker budgets himself a pittance a week to survive on"
LOL LOL LOL LOL
No cake for you fool.
I went to the Jim Bakker Show website to learn more about Christ's resurrection, but all I found was an ad for the fuel-less generator.
He is risen!
Somehow that "pittance" Jim Bakker lives on has bought him a big screen TV, cable package, Blu-ray player, surround system, Ipad and smart phone. He described having all of these devices plugged into his generator.
to 9:24
You've been attending James Chapmans language 101 classes haven't you! The way you speak gives you away as one of the classic Morningside idiots. Get over Jim and get a life! No one is jealous of Jim, some can muster up sympathy for him, me I loathe the snake!
How long have you been delusional? Jim helped the storm victims in Branson, are you kidding me!!! If he had we would know about it! It would have been displayed with pomp and circumstances on his fake christian tv show. Jim will do anything to draw attention to himself, and wouldn't miss an opportunity to give himself undue credit for being a good guy!
We will all get off Jims back when he is off tv and put away for good. Until then take your love fest for Jim somewhere else!
You people at Morningside are vile evil people. I pray all the evil you have done to others is returned to you!!!
Happy Easter Sunday everyone!
To our dear friend at 9:24,
The only call Jim Bakker heard when the twister hit Branson was the call of making money off it just like he heard by the repeated showing of planes hitting the World Trade Center in his commercials in an attempt to cash in on that disaster too. His only "help" (if you choose to call it that) was sending his grandson & Mondo in a very deceiving, non-descript, white van with big black letters on the side that say "Now Network - Remote Unit" and misleads the public into thinking the vehicle is a news van instead of a Jim Bakker Show van. Absolutely no where on this vehicle does it say Morningside Church Inc. or Jim Bakker Show.
As far as getting his hands dirty, that would be impossible since Bakker, himself, was not even there, Where was he? I would start the search, if I were you, at the end of Pokeberry Lane in Lampe, MO and see if that church bought boat might have been out on a cruise with hundreds of dollars in fuel to run the boat also being paid for out of those "love gifts".
Despite not being there, himself, Bakker has milked the appearance of his grandson and Mondo by asking James on the air what he had done to help the victims. But, before I tell you how James replied, allow me to say that the lifing of one cardboard box, by Mondo, was a photo op and not a concerted effort to help anyone. Absolutely no where, in at least two such answers to his grandpa's question that I viewed, did James mention that one drop of food was given to any person or flashlights, that are notorious for falling apart after two-weeks useage, were given to anyone. I respectfully submit to you, Sir or Madam, that there is a reason why his grandson did not mention food. The reason is clearly that Bakker did not give any. Had he given it, we would have seen video of the giving since everything Bakker does is calculated to make money and that is the bottom line. When asked, James said he was out on location and saw a boy with cuts on his hand. He (James) then said he reached into his back pocket and pulled out one bottle of Silver Sol and handed it to the boy. When the boy put some of this unrecognized by the U.S. government, product on his hand, James then said: "Keep it" to which the boy said "Thanks!"
The only other thing Mondo & James did was to go inside of the fake and misleading "News Van (?)" and pull out some water that was there for the crew and give it to a few people so they could have a drink. This lame effort in no way, shape, or form, constitutes a relief effort to help anybody at all. Unfortuneately, you have become the victim, yourself, of this con artist by even believing such relief even took place.
You also say that Bakker offers: "...love and concern about their fellows...". I would like to ask you if running Susan Ruiz out of Morningside for being a "witch" and Charlet Wintercorn, for dating his grandson, constitutes the love you are referring to? I say no. Former music director/associate pastor, Randy Brown, whose (along with his wife's) paycheck was stolen from by Bakker may also agree. It is the votes of Morningside residents, themselves, that has successfully opposed, in a recent election, the building of "Lori's House", a future baby-selling mill. When his past announcer, Uncle henry, died Bakker sold videos of the eulogy for $100 each untill Henry's widow told him to stop it because it was "in poor taste".
Finally, you say that: "Mr Bakker budgets himself a pittance a week to survive on". Now dear Sir or Madam, you sound like an intelligent person or at least reasonably so. Would you like to know why Bakker "budgets himself a pittance a week to survive on"? The reason HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HELPING THE POOR. IT IS BECAUSE HE OWES SIX-MILLION DOLLARS TO THE IRS FOR MONEY HE HAS SWINDLED AND REFUSES TO PAY BACK. That is why the money cannot be placed in his own name.
Have a nice day!
ma, is jimmie bakker good people?
yes bobby joe, jimmie bakker is good people?
ma, is kool aid kid good people?
no bobby joe, kool aid kid ain't no good people.
why is kool aid kid no good people ma?
kool aid kid ain't good people because he thinks we're rednecks and ole jimmie bakker is a no good criminal. now go git your brothers bucephelus, buddy, chester and clarice and tell him we're heading over to jimmie bakkers church for the easter sunday "fuel-less" generator service. Now git boy.
I have had the pleasure of seeing some world class comedians in my day and some of the funniest people in the world on TV that have entertained the masses greatly.
I have, not once, seen anything funnier than having a man taking a crap being put out over the airwaves! His blue jean clad legs and tennis shoes peering out from underneath the bathroom stall, in an effort to promote the fact that Jim Bakker's bath house is now open for business, will go down in history as being one of the funniest and most comedic moments I have ever witnessed in years of watching TV!
This is what happens when you falsely advertise you are running a "college" and then employ not so much as even one college professor or academic professional to work there. I still cannot stop laughing!
It is no wonder why the job placement figures of this "college" are 0%. That's a grand total of zero jobs in media for 100% of each and every "student" who has ever attended the fake school.
If a "student" were, for the very first time ever, able to finally get a job at a TV network (something Bakker says they are qualified to do when they leave his "college" despite the fact that not so much as one of them has ever secured such a job) and then submitted a news video to their employer, showing a man taking a crap in the new bath house, that new employee would be fired on the spot. He/she would be an embarrassment not only to themselves, but to their ratings-seeking employer also.
You can fool some of the people some of the time but you can't fool all the people all the time.
Thank you, Ron, and the rest of my friends here at The Foodbucket. You have done, and continue to do, more to help the American public expose and understand the workings of this con artist than any other Jim Bakker website out there today.
I would also like to commend all of you here for keeping your bathroom visits private. That is where they belong. But, when you falsely advertise you are running a media "college" and do not know what you are doing, and are too cheap to hire media professionals to work for you, that is what you get--one man taking a crap over the airwaves!
It is no secret that media schools must teach new students how to work, not only behind the scenes, but in front of the cameras, as well. I am wondering if that is how Morningside Masters Media College students are "broken in" when learning how to make an on-camera appearance? Simply find something they are good at and film it. This way, they are less nervous, and learn slowly how to be better at becoming on-camera talent--one poop at a time!
I don't give a tinker's damn about what some folks think about Jim Bakker. I'm going to support him. Most of the hateful comments are from no accounts anyways.
Anon "just tinkering" @1236pm
ma, one more question
make it fast we gotta git to the generator service at bakkers church
ma is saying "tinker's damn" a swear?
no billy bob saying "tinker's damn" is not a swear
good ma because i don't want good people to think i'm a no account
no billy bob you is a good people not a no account
Stacy,
You sound like a thoughtful, intelligent person. Just kidding. That may be the dumbest comment ever posted here. Please post again.
Ahhhh Gosh darn ya, Stacy! Oh, whiskers and creme! Dem no accounts got ya down again? Well, sis, get yer fanny on down to the bath house and let gay Jimmie film ya relieving yerself in the bathroom! It'll do a lotta good fer promoting the skool and give ya sum grate media experience at the same time! Now, get along child, skoot...and if ya see Mondo down thar, tell him that last shit he sold me was no good and I ain't a payin' fer it again!
Anybody knows what happened to that big colored kid that used to be with the Morningside. Id seen him a couple three times in the past with his brother and sister on the show. he had a pretty good voice as did the rest of his kinfolk. I'd not seen him for a bit and wondered if he graduteded and moved on. He seem like a quite and good fellow.
Dear 1:21
You are referring to Michael from the group "The Voices of Glory" as seen on the television show "America's Got Talent".
Michael and his family first came on Bakker's show as guests, and then silver-tongued Jim convinced him and his family that it was in their best interest to allow the two boys to become students at the school. He made promises to the family of having major studio connections and also promised he would allow Michael ample time to participate in the family business, "The Voices of Glory," at the same time he was also a Masters Media student.
As time quickly passed, none of Bakker's promises turned out to be true. There were no big studio or major production contacts ever given or made by the family because of Bakker. Michael and his brother were also not given the time Bakker said they would be, to go out and tour with their singing group. Bakker did, however, accomplish one thing and one thing only. He promoted his fake school in hopes that children who saw "America's Got Talent" would come to Morningside and pay him money to join the fake college.
Needless to say, both Michael and his brother very quickly left the college within a few weeks after enrolling. They were given absolutely nothing by Jim Bakker except for a few free "Made in China" trinkets which Bakker happened to be selling at the moment. His family felt very used, lied to, and abused by Jim Bakker and did not have good things to say about him when they left the program. It should also be noted that, despite the heavy promotion using the two singing boys and their family, their affiliation with the fake college was unsuccessful in expanding the enrollment roster.
lol,
Stacy doesn't give a "tinker's damn". A bathroom commercial with guys in the stalls with their pants down around their ankles. Anonymous at 9:24 says, "Jim Bakker is good people." Jim sure draws in quality people to support him doesn't he, lol! This is what you get when you breed cousins in those cabins in the Ozarks mountains! Ron has done a good job of showing us pictures of what they look like. Classic hillbillies with no teeth, a scruffy looking bunch for sure!
I've got a class song selection for the Master Media graduating class of 2012 "Hillbillies Love It In the Hay", or their version could be in the Tabernacle. Because the boys are obsessed with Momma Lori they could add a line for her in special commemoration of their lust interest. Knowing Lori she would feel honored!
It is a fine breed..."out them ther hills". Jim's shore tawt thosa kids sumpin gud. itsa gwaduatin time. git out that ther shine and veggie vittles, we's gonna hava shindig. yep, paw iffin u git lickerd up o bit wees got us a privy that shucky dern nice! Lawdy pa, theysa sayin us yunguns teachins here dont munt to doodley squat. but ima rilly rady to gittin owt yonder to dat big o world. im gunna fetch me a camer takin sum pichurs an ima gunna tel all the folks whu havin bin picking at us bout gesus!
The guy who was filmed accidently taking a "dump" in that now classic production goof didn't give a "stinker's damn" who was filming when caught with his pants down.
If Jim Bakker would preach the gospel for 55 minutes, and then run a short 5 minute commercial at the end to ask for donations, this web site would not exist.
Since Bakker chooses to sell product, including product which can only be described as "snake oil" for 55 minutes, and then preach the gospel for only 5 minutes, he is reaping exactly what he sews.
People should be happy the people on this site choose to, so freely and unselfishly, donate their time and effort in exposing this fraud and saving families from going through the misery others, like Susan Ruiz, have experienced when they realized hooking up with this con man was the absolute worst mistake they have ever made in their lives.
I do not care who you are. Not one of you can tell me what a 23 foot pleasure craft boat has to do with preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ. Not one of you can tell me how the wearing of a "sleep wristband" can supposedly correct the frequencies in your brain allowing you to have a better night's sleep. Not one of you can tell me how showing a man pooping in a bath house means that you are being successful in teaching kids how to be great media professionals in television.
This site has such excellent minds that I consider it an honor to be a part of it. Ron, Tanya, Kelsey, Kool Aid, Joe C, and a myriad of Bakker's own employees have contributed wonderfully to this site and are to be commended for it. God bless them all!
And speaking of God. Today is Easter Sunday, the most sacred of Christian holidays. Where is Jim Bakker and his Easter Sunday service? It is non-existant. He would rather show a bath house poop festival instead of having the students prepare an Easter service for broadcast. This is all the more reason you have, and will continue to, see me offering my help to expose this fraud in any manner I possibly can.
I noticed that^^^! I disagree though, Kool-aid-kid is not a great mind, no way in hades hell is he a great mind. And no one here is capable of convincing me that that boy has a great mind. No way, no how!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
At 7:05am Uncle Henry states that Brother Dortch is "in hiding" yet Uncle Henry does not respond to my April 8, 1:59am post - one of the questions specifically noted that Uncle Henry has not yet told me what the fault in my logic is. So, Uncle Henry was "pressed for answers" (as he said Bro. D. was) Uncle Henry has ignored the question... what do you say, Uncle Henry, does that make you a cockroach like you say Brother D. is? I'm trying to follow your logic, I do not mean this in a nasty way.
9:24am posts that Jim Bakker helped his neighbors after the Branson tornado with food and fresh water - but does not respond to my 1:59am question #3 (that Bakker *says* they helped, but the only video provided is one of the destruction of the tornado). Despite the lack of video of the helping, which we all expect to see if helping actually happened, the Bakker-supporters remain stuck at: Jim Bakker helped because he said he did.
Stacy said that "hateful comments" come from "no accounts" - (1) no response to any of my questions, which are not "hateful," they are simple questions, (2) I'd be interested to know how Stacy got the information about who exists behind the screen names - what information is Stacy using to judge that people who do not support Bakker's behaviour are "no accounts?"
The above is the total of what has come from the Bakker-supporters - so, silence continues regarding the several questions posted April 8, 1:59am (and all the other questions floating around out there).
Bill Whaley has a PhD in Garbology.
Oh Paleeeze Dortsch... talk about drama. The reason you're like a bad natured pit bull about Jim Bakker is because he fired your no-count arse. You could give a rip about other people - you're out for revenge.
If you fashion yourself a Christian, get a new life - one that doesn't include hate and bitterness.
Oh, Paleeeeze Anonymous @ 5:06,
Jim has fired a lot of good, hardworking people for no good reasons! He has left many families in the lurch with no place to go and no unemployment. I am not a past employee. I am a past resident who volunteered enough to know the truth of what goes on behind the scenes at the JB organization. I refuse to call it a ministry because it is not. Jim and the rest of the sick people at Morningside are going to get what's coming to them! It is not spiritual warfare as you all think, it's God judgement. You people are deluded when you blame the devil for every evil thing going on there. It is self serving to blame everyone and the devil for the problems you all create. Mentally ill people never take responsibility for all the trouble they make for others.
Love this blog!!! What episode number is the toilet scene in?
You know what, former resident, there is both kinds of people at MS. There are troublemakers and there are good people who very sincere in their faith and very supportive of each other.
I can tell what a great friend you must have been to the ministry and the people there. Not to mention, playing God after whatever happened, happened there for you, and now pronouncing judgment across the board to everyone there. Good job. It will be counted to you as unrighteousness.
What's the matter? Didn't you get enough kudos when you "volunteered" there?
What you did... you will NEVER hear Jim Bakker do to anybody.
The toilet scene is on the April 2012 Masters Media graduation show which aired last Friday at 8:00 p.m. and 1:00 a.m. (CST) but has not yet been posted on Bakker's web site. You would have had to be watching the live broadcast to see it. We will let you know when this is added to the archive because I am sure it is going to be a major hit here!
To the individual who claims I was fired above: Please state, for the record here, how you know of my identity. Refer to the exact date and exact time of day any posting appeared here that led you to believe my identity was exposed and I will comment on that posting as soon as I know which one you are referring to.
If I do NOT hear back from you then why don't you go down to the bath house and have one of the boyz film you taking a crap so you can be the next Bakker TV star! Think about this. If you are good enough, you just possibly may end up on "America's Got Talent".
Thanks!
It's simple Dortsch: Just say: "I never worked for Jim Bakker and he didn't fire me."
To my dear friend at 7:26 p.m.
You claim, in your reference to the former Morningside resident:
"What you did... you will NEVER hear Jim Bakker do to anybody."
Now let's look at what Jim Bakker did. I know he did this because author Charles Shepard won The Pulitzer Prize for his reporting of it, among other things. It was published in The Charlotte Observer and also in PEOPLE Magazine in their article called "Unholy Roller Coaster".
Here is what the article said in part:
"...Shepard recounts that one aide who traveled often with Bakker, a married man, used to give Bakker back rubs that Bakker took as a prelude to masturbation. Though upset and disgusted by his role as Bakker's geisha, the employee explained that Bakker compensated him for this arousal service with an unlimited budget, travel and his assurance that this was God's work..."
Care to comment on your hero Jim now? Or are you going to contiune to stay silent and do "God's work" too?
"Poor Silly Clyde" @247pm
Okay Clyde I have time for one more patient today and it's you. That's right lay on the couch. Good zombie. Here's some cake. Oh you dropped some ...
"I noticed that^^^!"
Okay now, how do you feel that Kool-Aid Kid has been called a great mind.
"I disagree though, Kool-aid-kid is not a great mind,"
Please relax. Good. Relax. Would Kool-Aid Kid be a great mind in Hades Hell?
"no way in hades hell is he a great mind"
Okay Bakker zombie can anyone convince you that Kool-Aid Kid is smart?
"And no one here is capable of convincing me that that boy has a great mind. No way, no how!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
..... but you think Bakker is a great mind don't you zombie????? Right, I thought you did.
No cake for you.
Oh, and happy generator Easter to you too.
To Anonymous at 7:26:
It was rude people like you who judged, criticized, and gossiped continually about people as you do here on this forum that turned me off. There were two kinds of people at Morningside you are correct. The problem is the good people that move there find out they made a huge mistake and leave quickly. Troublemakers, gossips are the only type of people who fit in at Morningside. People who worship Jim and Lori and never question the immoral behavior of the Bakker family belong there. People who are true Christ followers will never fit in.
No one gets enough kudos for working for Jim and Lori. I was astounded by the people who were on staff that asked me to put in a good word for them. Everyone who works for Jim and Lori feel vulnerable. Everyone is dispensable, there is no loyalty. I was no fool, I cut my loses and quickly backed out of volunteering and out of that place. I will not share everything I know here so that I will not further hurt people who were destroyed by wicked people at Morningside. Susan Ruiz is one that has been openly discussed on this forum. There are many more that have been, and are being abused also. You are right I am not a friend of that organization. What does light have to do with darkness. I will not stop warning people who believe the lie that they will be serving God by working at that ungodly place. I wish I had been forewarned!
Jim is a verbally abusive person. He is deceitful in his approach, he attacks people in his sermons. The whole environment is sick. I am not playing God, this is what you sick people are good at, accusing others of what you are guilty of! I speak the truth from first hand knowledge. What you people are doing out there is going to be counted to you as unrighteousness, that is for sure! Take your judgmental and critical spirit and continue to serve your god with it. The Jim Bakker organization and Morningside will never attract kind, moral, Godly people. The ministry will eventually be exposed and dismantled by God. God does not suffer fools gladly!
For me I have a Resurrected Lord and Savior and I enjoyed being in a body of Christ this Easter to truly worship Him! Would you care to share what your church did to celebrate the resurrection today? I didn't find many there who were sincere in their worship of Christ, only their worship of Jim and Lori! Good luck to you all supporting yourselves in your dysfunction. Mental illness won't be a way of excusing your abuse when you stand before the Lord!
Amen !!!
Sunday draws to a close and there are still zero responses to my questions posted on April 8, 1:59am.
There were plenty of questions to chose from - the silence is deafening.
Is there truly not one Bakker-supporter who is willing to address even one of the questions from my April 8 post?
I also note that Uncle Henry, 9:24am anon, and Stacy have not attempted to respond to my 3:01pm post.
By this point, does everyone see that there is no dialogue? We have a number of comments from Bakker-supporters based on assumptions and suppositions, zero responses to a several relevant questions (not only my questions, there are lots of questions in these comments) - and despite this lack of interaction, people who do not support Jim Bakker's behaviour have been called "cockroaches," "hateful," "unrighteous," etc, etc, etc.
Ah well - onwards we go. I forgot one question in the April 8 post, it is a sub-set of question #7: if an atheist says Jim Bakker is a convicted felon, does the fact that an atheist said it make that statement untrue?
It has been mentioned above by the former Morningside resident that Bakker attacks people personally in his sermons and is verbally abusive. I would like everyone here to know that both of these allegations are completely true.
When Morningside was first getting going, Bakker the serious mistake of assuming he would take the compound and turn it into a combination old age home and modern youth ministry.
He contracted for and put Christian Ganster Rap Groups and Heavy Metal Rock bands on a rented stage on Grace Street, with lights and massive sound systems blaring away. It did not take long for the elderly people in the above condos to register complaints. They could not sleep, not watch TV, or do anything because of the heavy rock and rap concerts just feet below them.
Rather than apologizing, Bakker took the fight to the pulpit and even broadcasted out one Sunday service in which he said if anyone doesn't like what he is doing with the concerts:
"Then why don't you just get out with it then!"
Jerry Crawford had just built the place and they were looking for people to live there. Bakker viewed those complainers as enemies and people of the devil and people out to bring down his so-called ministry. Now, Bakker was preaching and asking all of them to leave the place after they had just moved there. In case you are wondering how negative votes, concerning the annexation of Lori's House into Blue Eye, MO can be voted down from voters actually within Morningside itself, perhaps that can help explain why.
Needless to say, Jim had no choice but to walk away from this fight. The concerts stopped. Bakker has since quit preaching Sundays at Grace Chapel totally and has fired a list of "Associate Pastors" as long as your arm. He prefered, instead, to have unordained Zach Drew do the preaching. Zach, who is a drinker and user of foul language and other things I will not talk about here, is not able to fool those old timers with "The Bossman" routine.
There is no longer a youth ministry at Morningside. All kids attend The Harvest Assembly. This is a non-Bakker and non-Morningside church which is not related to Jim Bakker in any way.
In 1992, John Ankerberg was awarded "The Television Program Producer of the Year Award" by The National Religious Broadcasters.
"In 1987, Ankerberg presented evidence that exposed moral failings of televangelist Jim Bakker, which included solicitation for sex and homosexual activity."
The "Voices of Glory" guy Michael expected too much from Bakker. Bakker can only do so much, this dude Michael thought he was destined for the big time cause he placed in the "America Got Talent" thingamajig. I've see so many better groups never even place. It's hard to hit the big time. Look at some of these character actors and "B' movie actors, a lot have more talent and acting ability then Tom Cruise or Brad Pitt but those guys have a "look". Voices of Glory really have no look. Zach is a good stage performer cause he has a "magnetic quality", Michael had no or very little magnetism. If he worked on that he'd/they'd be more in demand. It is little to do with Bakker.
Some possible titles for the bath house toliet episode:
"Caught With My Psnts Down" No ...that won't work because good peoples might think that is about Jim Bakker and Jessica Hahn. Good peoples try to forget about that.
How about ...
"Little Stinker"
No ... good peoples would be confused and think that was the episode that had Bakker wearing the corset jacket.
"Tossing A Loaf"
No again, because good peoples will think that was the zombie students baking bread episode.
"Space Food and Human Digestion"
No ... good peoples would think that was a new fake course for the fake school at moronside.
I have it!
"Moronside Student Putting Graduation Certificate To Good Use"
"Hillbilly Talent Scout" @ 827am
"Zach is a good stage performer cause he has a "magnetic quality","
LOL, really????
Feel free to list the qualities, hahahahahahahahaha .... please do. This will be the best laugh ever if you come through with my request.
Betina,
Everyone expects to much of Jim Bakker! No, you have it backwards! I follow Michael and his family. They are always serving the Lord with their talents and gifts. Even if they don't make it big time in a "worldly" sense they still bring God honor. You people at the Jim Bakker organization seem to be so proud of your alliances with people of the world. I heard so much boasting while I was there by those in leadership who were affiliated or infatuated with some of the most immoral, despicable people of our time. I guess crooks are attracted by what they have in common.
I have never heard the Cole family bad mouth Jim Bakker. But once again one of you hypocritical, critical, gossipy, condescending Jim Bakker supporters come here to bash Michael and his family.
You judge this good family by their looks! That is the typical "christian" you get at Morningside. 1 Samuel 16:7 Man looks at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart. You judge a Godly man to Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise! Why didn't you compare this family to other Godly talent who work hard and persevere while doing ministry? And you wonder why good people flee from Morningside! All you people do is run others down! You curse rather than bless. You bad mouth people rather than pray for them. You talk of magnetism! Are you so shallow that you think God calls and qualifies his servants on their "magnetism"! One thing you have right "Zach is a stage performer", but I wouldn't call it "good stage performing". This is what the Jim Bakker organization is all about, performance, not ministry!
To all the people who read this blog Betina just made my case for the wicked behavior of the people at Morningside. This is the reason I backed out of volunteering and supporting at the Jim Bakker organization. Working there would only have been doing the devils work. As I said before, God will not suffer fools gladly, and neither did I. How many of you would like to work in a environment with backstabbing people like Betina? I have been in management, I never tolerated people like Betina on my staff. Reputable ministries and secular businesses alike would never tolerate someone like Betina, but Jim Bakker does and his ministry is full of them. Why does Jim Bakker keep these kind of people on staff or at Morningside? Because they have an unquestioning commitment to Jim. Jim's loyalty is only to those who are biblically illiterate and never question his false teachings. Those who turn a blind eye to all that Jim and his family does that is immoral. Those who have been wounded severely in childhood so now can be easily manipulated. The elderly that can be seduced for their pensions or estate. The power hungry, money loving, people in leadership at Morningside have nothing to do with ministry and serving God. That is why you see comments from discerning christians who lived there, worked there, or visited and fled from that evil place to never return! Don' take my word for it read what they say on this blog such as what Betina shared. This is the kind of "sharing" you get at Morningside. It is not a loving place of worship at Morningside as Jim claims.
Grateful for this blog and the Jim Bakker supporters who come here. Their own words incriminate them and validate those of us who continue to share truth in the face of their abuse!
Joe C, for mayor??? I would have said fine if he came out and revealed what went on in that meeting like he said he was going to. Add some transparency to it. But he comes out of that meeting with an "about face", "loose lips sink ships" attitude. Somethings up!! He may be able to pull the wool over KAK eyes but not mine. Uncle Henry might have something there.
No Dino cake for you Betina ... bad talent scout zombie! Now go back to watching "Mission: Impossible" and "Moneyball". I know you will enjoy the "look" of these movies. ;)
Excellent post at 10:45!
What offended me most about the Cole family's dealings with the frog is that Bakker would stoop so low as to make promises to them he simply could not keep just so he could have a vehicle to promote the "college". This was just plain wrong.
Morningside is full of braggarts and boasters who get their un-Godlike ways directly from Bakker himself. Knowledge of the Bible means nothing at Morningside, including at the fake college. It is the ability to forget about God, and worship Bakker and his wife, which is all that matters.
It is so very true that many at Morningside are affiliated or infatuated with some of the most immoral, despicable people of our time. Many such crooks have been named here by name.
Betina says that Zach has "magnetic quality". LOL !!!! I would liken that "magnetic quality to a fly getting stuck on fly paper. The "magnetic quality" is harming him more than doing any good at all. Now he is stuck there and dying when he would have been much better off had he not stepped on the grounds of the lethal fly paper to begin with. For slightly more than the amount his Dad has payed Bakker to keep his son there, he could have sent his son to an accredited college where his son would soon have an accredited education and a future to be proud of. Now it would not surprise me if Zach, himself, follows his leader's footsteps and locks himself away one day in a prison cell. I would also not be one bit surprised if Zach, himself, had something to do with "The Great Crap Caper" that happened on graduation day because he thought it would be "cool" or "neat" to put such distasteful footage out over the air. I think Zach is highly immature for his age.
My recent post in which I put out for review author Charles Shepard's quote about Bakker and one of his former employees/travel companions represents the FOURTH TIME I have asked for a Bakker supporter to comment on it. And...you guessed it..."Mum's the word!" Logic and reason mean nothing to Bakker's people. They either follow him with blind faith or simply start making up the logic out of non-factual evidence as they go along. A smart bunch they are not!
Finally, how about that Jim Bakker Easter Sunday Service special broadcast? Wasn't it great? What a sincere man of God we have here!
Maybe the phantom crapper was Joe C.
@ Betina: Zach Drew has a "magnetic quality?" Simply based on how Zach acts on the Jim Bakker show, I respectfully disagree.
Have you noticed Zach rolling his eyes when he does not think the camera is capturing him? Two good examples are the Return of Tammy Sue show (can't remember which one of the two Tammy Sue shows) and the high-school play show (with fake lightening, thunder, and an evacuation/air-raid siren).
Betina, I request that you do one thing before whole-heartedly supporting Zach. Please take a few minutes and go to You Tube and search "Zach Drew." Then watch "Meet generationNOW - Zach Drew." You will be treated to the "real" Zach (as confirmed by Zach himself on the Jim Bakker show), the "Bossman" (nickname given to Zach by Zach) - note, among other things, how he treats the woman who handed him a glass of water at the start of the video... a sleazy glance with a condescending "thanks Doll."
Then post again, and let us know what you think of Zach Drew. If you still think that Zach is a good model for youth, fair enough. At least you will be making that decision based on the available evidence.
@ 11:12am: you wrote "Uncle Henry might have something there."
I wonder what you are referring to - what I know is that Uncle Henry made allegations regarding Joe C. (I won't repeat them because they were allegations).
Of note: (a) Uncle Henry did not give any supporting evidence for the allegations (neither did you, 11:12am), and (b) Uncle Henry has not responded to questions directed at him/herself.
Let's talk about the "transparency" you mentioned in your post, 11:12am, and expand on point(b). While being comfortable making allegations, Uncle Henry has not addressed questions directed at him/her on: (1)April 8, 1:59am, and (2) April 8, 3:01pm (here we are on April 9 and Uncle Henry continues to be absent from these comments).
This is the pattern we have: Bakker-supporters post and do not continue discussing what they post - but some have accused regular and identifiable posters of being "cockroaches" and "no accounts," also, other posters support various allegations without adding anything useful to the discussion.
If something is important enough to take the time to post in the first place, why is it not important enough to continue discussing?
Look forward to your reply, 11:12am.
Looks like this blog should be retitled The Brother Dortch and Tanya Blog featuring Kool Aid Kid as comic relief.
To Anonymous @ 2:51,
Addition to your title....and a few of the many Bakker nuts!
More additions to your title 2:51:
"And a few Bakker supporters who cannot follow through on discussing the issues because they think a homosexual, jailbird, con artist, who is a liar, a thief, and the greatest scab and cancer on the face of Christianity in 2,000 years, and (as federal prosecutor, Deborah Smith put it) "A world class master of telling half truths" is a wonderful thing to have by your side when you are supposedly worshipping God!"
That ought to even up the title and make it a little more truthful in its description.
Now, how about responding to the Charles Shepard quote I posted above for the fourth time? Or, am I interrupting you from doing some more of "God's work" down at the bath house?
A big Jimmie Bakker "4 Star" hello to you Cool Cay!!!!
I just don't know why the Bakker Crew does not put up an argument. They seem to ignore these contentions in the hopes that they will go away. I think they should fire back if for anything then for general priciples. I notice this site has close to 100,000 hits that's a pretty fair number. Come on Bakker Troop hit back with something, keep some sense of dignity at least.
“But when you come to Heritage USA, remember to bring your Bible and your VISA card – because the Bible is the Holy Truth, and God doesn’t take American Express”
--direct quote from Jim Bakker
(who hadn't even fully read The Bible at the time he said it)
@ 2:51pm: you have noticed that too? Since some posts that asked Bakker-supporters to address specific questions, there has been a lot of... silence.
Oh, and one quick thing that is worthwhile to be clear on - it is Ron's blog, you and I post in the comments (i.e., Ron puts the work into writing the blog - keep credit where credit is due).
Awaiting the Sex Scandal only wants to hear the titillating comments that go along with a juicy sex scandal. Is that how you and the rest of this blog, Dortch, Tanya and the crazy mixed up KaK get your kicks????
Hey now, wait just a minute 4:07
I also enjoy seeing those on camera tryouts they hold down at the bath house when they film the next big Jim Bakker Show on-camera talent stars! LOL !!!!!!!!!!!
Should my client give me permission and not be offended, I am seriously considering expanding my clientele by placing the phantom crapper of Morningside under contract. He has more talent than any other Jim Bakker Show guest I have seen on the air in many, many years!
The roach Bro Dortch still will not address the questions posed to him and he makes up this "phantom crapper" story to dodge the issues brought against him.
Tanya, I answered the questions you asked me so stop repeating yourself!
I agree with several here that Joe C. is a phoney and not even from the Blue Eye area. He was called out so he wont comment any longer.
But then again, should my client feel ashamed to share the same agent as the phantom crapper, my allegience is to my original client. I would hate to take the great working arrangement we share and flush it all down the toilet!
This "Phantom Crapper" has become sort of a folk hero. I wonder if we will ever know his true identity? Well like Andy Warhol once said; "Everybody gets in a lifetime at least 15 mins. of fame". Moreor less.
To 5:04
Who are you, Zach Drew? If you are not Zach, you are the absolute dumbest poster here this site has ever had. And, considering all the dumb posters Bakker has had, that is not a good title to hold. The phantom crapper has more brains and obvious talent than you do.
I am not sure the phantom crapper is even a student at the college. But, after making such a hit with the viewers, I am certain he now qualifies for one of those "full scholarships" Jim Bakker brags about. Send him into my office immediately!
I think the phantom crapper is great! Maybe Jim can have the students set up some mikes and record a full album!
Here's an idea. Maybe Brother Dortch should start his own blog instead of riding on Ron the atheist's coat tails.
You really want to know what went on in the meeting. Just ask Jim or Jerry.
The above comment was not anon. it was me, Joe C.
Joe C for Mayor!
By rights the phantom crapper should have been Jim Bakker seeing as he is the highest "reeking" zombie at Moronside. ;)
I used to like reading the comments here. Now I feel as if you have to be part of the clique to have a meaningful post. The tanya, bro, kak, Craig, etc. I still thinly Ron is a genius. I truly believe the folks that are part of this clique constantly 'stroke each others ego', sadly they envy Jim Bakker and choose to hide their envy behind there commenting. Jealousy also plays a big role in it too. They like me, make watching the show a religious routine, the excitement before the show builds from the moment they step outta bed. They obviously have a void in their life(loneliness, depression, overweight, ugly, etc) and choose to fill it with being 'the top commenter' on the Ron blog. Jimbos ripping off stupid old white people, WHO CARES? Why must you try to be a hero? If people dumb enough to give, let it be dude. I love gettin stoned and watching bakker, it cracks me up, I'm not out to save old rednecks. Oh, tanya just rambled on and on and on and on. Tanya, GET A FRIGGIN LIFE! It so damn booooring! I could almost imagine how you look, big, fat, curly dirty hair, thick glasses, and you problem drive a beetle with one of.those stuupid flowers on the dash board. Lol
@Uncle Henry: unless you are able to point me to your answer, then I respectfully disagree - you have not answered my questions.
Uncle Henry, here is a summary of the timeline:
(1) on April 7 @11:47am, I asked you to tell me how my logic was flawed (re: Ariel the student *is* participating in the selling of love gifts - logic outlined in detail on April 6, 10:49pm, logic outlined in one sentence on April 1st).
(2) on April 8 @1:59am, I reminded you that you had not responded to my April 7 question.
(3) your first post after my questions, Uncle Henry, was on April 8 @7:05am, and you did not mention my questions at all - you said Brother D. was in hiding, that he was "pressed for answers" and he fled like a "roach."
(4) on April 8 @3:01pm, I referred to your 7:05am post, noted that you had *not* explained the fault in my logic, and added an additional question: since you, Uncle Henry, were avoiding my question, did that make you a "roach" like Brother D? I wrote I was not trying to be nasty, and I wasn't, then as now, I was trying to follow your logic.
(5) your second post after my 2 questions was on April 9 @5:04pm, and you said you answered my questions, accused me of repeating myself, and also called Brother D a "roach" again.
You see, Uncle Henry, this is the problem we have. Just like I do not say I have answered a question when I have not, it would be helpful if Bakker-supporters would do the same.
I don't know if Bakker-supporters bank on the fact that it is annoying to scroll through the comments to confirm what people said or did not say - and it is annoying - but since I am fairly quick at scanning for screen names, and you claimed you answered my questions, I took that small amount of time and looked.
Since you seem to believe you answered my questions, it should be simple for you to repeat the answers, and I respectfully ask that you do.
You are, of course, free to decline to repeat what you think you posted, but then the timeline as it is written above will have to stand on its own.
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