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Saturday, March 24, 2012

Jim Bakker scribbles on Zach, talks junk with Bill Whaley part 3

Gord Pedersen: 'How does that Silver Sol shit work again?'
This is the final post for this episode. If you haven't already read the first part, please click here for part 1 of Jim Bakker scribbles on Zach, talks junk with Bill Whaley.

I wasn't aware that Dr Gordon Pedersen was the man behind Silver Sol, but he's the one in the commercial so now he owns it in my book. He tells us some gobbledy-gook about his miracle tonic, explaining that the particles of silver are so tiny that they can 'enter a red blood cell'. He says this is good because there's nothing to 'irritate or agitate', and that the particles of silver are just there to 'kill the germs'. I haven't been following the Silver Sol scene, but this sounds very, very stupid to me. Why would anyone voluntarily ingest something that is going to enter their blood cells and 'kill the germs'? How does silver know the difference between a germ and a blood cell? This sounds like an experiment the Japanese would do on Allied POWs to see how long they'd survive. Why would anyone even waste their time with this? It's so stupid it's laughable.

This is what happens when you follow Jim Bakker's advice
I did a little looking on this Dr Gordon Pedersen. Don't let the white lab coat fool you, because Gordon Pedersen is not a medical doctor. He has a PhD from a toxicology program which sounds promising, but in this press release he's billed as the “Anti-Aging Master Formulator” which causes my quack-alert siren to whoop loudly inside my head. I don't feel very comfortable here, Mr Pedersen. Didn't this silver stuff turn some guy's skin blue like a smurf not too long ago? I think I'll pass on your miracle tonic this time around. My body already does a good enough job 'killing the germs' and you know what they say: If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I'll tell you what though: When I'm on my deathbed, I'll take a swig and see if it does anything for me. Does it cure dying?

Jim Bakker's Blue Skin Ointment w/ bonus Amoeba Pot, $88
Zach announces a Silver Sol package for $600, then Sasha announces a case of 50 for $900. These packages come with Neti Pots. Why hasn't Jim told us the scary stories involving Neti Pots and brain-eating amoebas? Hasn't he heard about the people who have died after using them? It's strange to think that nobody on that stage has heard about the Neti Pot amoebas, and it makes me wonder if Jim's hiding the truth a little bit there so as not to cut into his own product sales. Blue skin coloring and brain-eating amoebas...that's two strikes against this Silver Sol package already. Yet Jim Bakker is still selling it with no mention at all about these serious risks? Doesn't sound very honest to me, Pastor Bakker.

Lori says "Wow!" while Jim gulps air
We're out of the commercial and back to the Junk Man Show with Jim Bakker. Jim asks a question designed to lead Whaley into a product demonstration, but the Junk Man's having none of it. These are direct quotes:
Jim:I've read that you help street people stay warm...One of the biggest problems people are going to have is when the power goes out. How do you keep from freezing?”
Junk Man:Let's go to the street first.”
Jim:Okay.
Jim just has to sit there and take it. He's on the couch, leaning on his knee and staring at Whaley, but he's powerless to do anything. The old coot just keeps going on. For her part, Lori loves listening to this guy. She turns to the camera and mouths the word 'Wow!' as Whaley talks.

Whaley grabs his papers as Jim dreams of a happy place
Uh oh, Whaley just stepped over into la-la land. Now he's talking governmental conspiracy against the poor, the homeless, and the 'working people'. He's using the fingers on his hands to count off each targeted group. Jim, you need to step in and stop this now. A man uncovering conspiracy at this level is a man that the government will do everything to silence. The FBI probably has a file as a thick as a book on this Whaley character, hell there's probably agents in your audience right now keeping tabs on him. You don't need this kind of heat Jim, you don't need it!


The Junk Kook spices things up with conspiracy talk
Whaley has now reached for a stack of papers to expose a Senate Bill designed, according to the Junk Kook, to outlaw people from growing gardens. Lori's little mind has been blown by this conspiracy. We hear her off-camera saying, "Unbelievable. Unbelievable". With his stack of papers in one hand, Whaley employs use of his other hand to count off even more targeted groups. He's talking farming, saying something about us controlling the food. He then says, 'Guess who else we control?' Then bam, an edit arrives just in time. Just in time to save Whaley's life, and possibly everyone at Morningside. Whatever information he had was bound to uncover conspiracy at the highest levels of government. They will stop at nothing, Bill, nothing. Now I understand why you live 'off the grid'.

The Junk Kook's audio was cut. What secrets did he expose?
The edit was abrupt, and now it goes straight to Bakker. Jim feeds into Whaley's conspiracy a little bit, talking about some weird government crackdown on an Amish farmer selling raw milk. The camera shows Whaley with a smirk on his face while he points to his papers and speaks, but there's no sound because it's an edit job. Wow, I wonder how long he droned on for before the kids cut him off in the editing room? How much more conspiracy is lying on the Jim Bakker Show cutting room floor? Maybe Jim Bakker himself is part of the conspiracy to silence the Junk Kook...you ever think of that one, Bill?

Finally, Bakker has taken back a little control. He moves from the Amish farmer straight into Lori's House, telling us that he's being called 'evil' for building a home to save babies. No Jim, that's not why you are called evil. You are called evil because you prey on the elderly and mentally-incompetent, earning their trust specifically so you can take their money. You are called evil not because you are building a home to save babies, Jim, but because you lie about why people call you evil.

Bakker: 'Oh my God, I've invited a lunatic onto my show.'
Jim turns back to Bill and pleads with him, “We can't get political. They'll put me away, Bill.” That's Jim's way of saying, 'Knock off the soapbox shit and get to the trinkets'. Bakker asks the Junk Kook how we can stay warm if the power grid goes down. Hey Bill, I'll take this one for you. Jim, the secret is layers. Thermals, jackets, whatever you have in the closet. You know the way you're dressed when you go outside in the cold? Just dress like that inside. Add a blanket if you need to. Burn some wood in a fireplace, maybe even roast some marshmallows! Next question please.


Whaley pouts after Jim shoots down his conspiracy theory
The Junk Kook was still thumbing the pages of his conspiracy documents when Jim told him to knock it off. I'm pretty sure he's pissed off now because he's acting like a bratty child who was just told to sit still at a Christmas party. He's back to flopping his hands up and down on the arms of his chair, and he has a little smirk on his face. Bill Whaley, a sixty-something man who once flew choppers in Vietnam, is pouting.

The Junk Kook doesn't like being silenced. Without neighbors, he pretty much lives in silence all the time save for his dumpster divin' wife. Deep down inside, I think what Bill Whaley wants are friends, people to talk to and people to listen. Unfortunately, years of living like a mountain man have made him strange. Picking through garbage is strange. Dreaming up conspiracy is strange. If he were a kid, he could break out of that strangeness bubble and live normally like everyone else. But the Junk Kook is already into his sixties. There's no changing a man who's had that much time to become weird. So, the Junk Kook's inner desire for friendship will never be satisfied unless he finds a friend who is also strange. And that'll just make him weirder.

Bill Whaley angrily snatches bag off table
Since the Junk Kook is pouting, he didn't accept Jim's first invitation to tell us all how to keep warm. Now Jim has to really prod him into action. Jim chooses his words carefully, saying “You have so many things, I don't know which ones you want to go to first. Do you want me to pick or do you want to tell me?” That bratty child who was told to sit down is now being told to pick a present and open it while everyone watches. Whaley angrily snatches an empty plastic bread bag off the table. This guy is cracking me up, he's really pissed off that Jim told him to stop with the conspiracy crap. He hoists the bag over his head and, in a condescending tone, asks everyone on stage what they would do with it. He has such a look of disdain on his face as he asks this, he's just dying to point his finger at everyone on stage and call them dummies.

Bill Whaley: 'I'm holding gasoline in my hand you dummies.'
After a pause, Bakker says he would throw the bag away. Kevin follows the leader and says he would throw it away too. At this point, I think they want to throw Bill Whaley away with the bag too. The Junk Kook looks down his nose at us and says, “I'm holding gasoline in my hand.” Kevin Shorey feigns shock at this announcement, and Whaley reiterates that the plastic bag can be converted to gasoline. He once again holds his prized plastic bag up, and then we get a very long, awkward pause. I thought my DVR froze, but nope that's just the deafening sound of silence on stage. Whaley has completely killed any amount of viewer interest in him with his pouting act, and now he's going nuts with the bread bag. Everyone, and I mean every single person on that stage, is on the defensive with him. They've all now realized that he's a lunatic.

Whaley's 'latex glove': The bane of canines everywhere.
The plastic bag is not just gasoline, Whaley tells us. It's also a latex glove that can be used to pick up dog 'droppings'. I'm very suspicious of this statement, Bill. Out in my neck of the woods, we don't associate latex gloves with dog crap. We associate them with people crap, and more specifically, the holes where the people crap comes from. Are you bread-bagging your hands and giving rectal examinations out there in 'off-the-grid' land? And who are you examining? There are exactly two people in those woods where you live, plus one unlucky dog. Please don't tell me you're...I just...don't you dare hurt that dog, Bill.

Bill Whaley's dog being inspected for worms
Whaley goes on about the multi-use bread bag. He uses it to store butchered chickens in the freezer, and god knows what else. He also puts his skid-marked underwear, ratty t-shirts and mismatched socks in the bag so they don't get wet. What about bread, Bill, do you ever put bread in the bag?

Bill wears the bags on his feet in the wintertime. He says he puts them on his feet, then puts socks over them to keep his feet warm. You're a military man, Bill. Isn't that a recipe for trench foot? Or do you use the water generated by your sweaty, suffocating feet for brushing your teeth?

Whaley ends his childish tirade by asking a question. With his prized bag once again held up with both hands and a voice filled with utter contempt, he turns to Jim and Lori and asks, “Why would I throw it away?” As he asks, he jingles the bag ends so that the plastic makes noise.

Jim talks Whaley down off the ledge as Lori daydreams
Jim got a lot more than he bargained for with this guest. Jim is sweating, oh man is he sweating. He moves to a new question, and as he poses it he sounds like a psychiatrist trying to keep a wild-eyed mental patient from setting himself on fire.

Bakker is really shaken. He says, “Bill, what you're telling us is we can use the things around us to survive. We don't have to lay down and die.” Whaley is folding the plastic bag into a neat square as Jim speaks. Bakker looks to the audience for applause and gets it, and then we see Jim with a look of worry on his face as he gulps down a mouthful of air. Disaster averted, but what's up next?

Bill Whaley loves knowing more about garbage than we do
Whaley has lightened up now. The tension was cut by the applause, and now Bill Whaley feels respected again. He grabs another piece of garbage, an empty spaghetti sauce jar. Actually, I wouldn't classify this one as garbage if you have liquids you want to store. It depends on the liquid, of course. I might use it for pickled eggs, while the Junk Kook might use it for urine bombs. Let's see.

God, Whaley is so obnoxious. He has a way of speaking that is demeaning to all around him. Lori picks up on it subconsciously, because now she's referring to him as 'sir'. He's an asshole without justification. He tells all of us dummies that we can use the sauce jar as a measuring cup. He also says that we can use it to serve drinks in. He suggests giving it to children to drink from, so if they break it they “don't break your good stuff.” You know what I would use your glass jar for, Bill? A baseball. I would tee that sucker right up, then shatter it into a million unusable pieces with a baseball bat. Oh hey, give me that bread bag too, it'll make a great noise maker. Just blow it up full of air, hold the open side closed, then clap your hands together quickly. Pop!

A frozen Jim Bakker tries to figure a way out of this debacle
Jim is frozen solid on the couch. Lori reacts well to assholes, she likes that sort of leadership, but Jim doesn't. He's not quite sure what to do here.

Now the Junk Kook grabs a 2-liter bottle that he chopped in half. It's not chopped well, it looks like he hacked it in half with a butter knife or clipped it down with nail clippers. I also can't rule out the possibility that he had his wife bite through it. Whaley is finding his groove now. He leans back in the chair and asks, “What can you do with a 2-liter bottle?” See that's the problem, Bill, it's the way you introduce your items. Stop asking us what we can do with your garbage and just show us instead.

Plastic bottle that Whaley's wife bit in half
You ask us questions that you think we can't answer in order to make us feel small. But it's not that we can't answer them, it's that we don't really care. You deal in garbage, the stuff I toss out with a smile on my face. Whenever I have to go back into my garbage to find something that was thrown out accidentally, I don't smile. I grimace and I hold my nose, and sometimes I even ask my wife for help because it's so disgusting to me. When you pose questions designed to make people feel dumb for not knowing the ins-and-outs of the garbage heap, you fail in your quest for friendship. Normal people don't like that.

From the 2-liter bottle, Whaley says he can make a water filter, ice holder, and funnel. Bakker breaks free from his daze and jumps on the funnel idea. Jim grabs the funnel from the table and tells us how we could use it to add gas to our cars if we needed to. Does Jim not know that gas cans come with spouts? I'll go one further: Does Jim not know that funnels can be purchased for a couple dollars at Home Depot? With the dollar Jim gave Lori earlier in the show, they're already halfway down the road to funnel ownership. See how easy that is, Jim?

Papa Whaley took little Jimmy's funnel toy away from him
Whaley isn't having any of Jim's gas-can funnel crap. He takes the funnel away from Bakker like a parent taking scissors from a toddler and completely ignores Jim's suggestion. I get the feeling that the Junk Man is thinking, 'Thanks for humoring us buddy, but let's leave the survival stuff to the experts.' Jim was still talking as Whaley took the funnel back from him, he even looked to his audience for support while stammering out, “Isn't that a good..good idea?” I hate to say it, but I'm actually starting to pull for Bakker in this fight. Whaley's a total jackass and needs to be put in his place. If Bill were an ass because he doesn't like Bakker, I'd be on his side. He isn't though. Bill Whaley's an ass because Bill Whaley's an ass.

"...teach a man to fish, feed him for a lifetime."
Ugh, the Junk Man tells us something about poking holes in the bottle, stitching it with twine, and adding bread crumbs to make a 'minnow catcher' for fishing. What happened to you out there in that Vietnamese jungle, Bill? What did you see that's got you so spooked? You're back home in America now, Bill. You don't need to do this, we are friendlies and you are safe. You can go to the store and buy bait from an honest man who is happy to sell to you. Hell, you can even skip the bait and just buy a fish! Don't worry, you will not encounter any VC here. No land mines, no crushed glass in your Pepsi. Just relax sir and calm down. Now please tell me: Are you carrying any knives or other weapons on your person right now?

'Wait 'till the Feds get a load of my urine bombs, muhahaha!'
Whaley is still obsessing over the bottle. He's showing us how he can add one of his black-painted glass bottles inside the larger plastic bottle, fill one of the two with soup (I don't know which), and cook the soup outside in the sun. As he's configuring this thing, it's making all kinds of annoying ripping and tearing noises as he tries to fit everything together. Why Bill? Why would I waste my time? What you are showing us is so unimportant, it really is. If I had a choice between doing all that menial crap to sun-cook my soup, or just eating cold soup...I'll eat cold soup, Bill. Really, I would.
[Bill Whaley] [showing me how to configure the soup cooker] "So you just take this piece here and add this part...wait, hold on, I think I'm missing something."
[Ron] [eyes glossing over] "It's okay Bill, I don't need all that stuff. I'll just eat it cold."
[Bill Whaley] [shock bordering on offense] "Cold soup? Who wants to eat cold soup!? Just gimme a second, there's a piece missing. We'll get your soup cooking in no time!"
[Ron] [looks at watch] "Bill, it's...it's fine. Can I have my soup back please?
[Bill Whaley] [red-faced and aggressive] "No you cannot have your soup back please, I haven't shown you how to heat it yet! Just give me a second."
[Ron] "These aren't seconds anymore, these are minutes now and I'm hungry."

Bill growls threateningly.

[Ron] [laughing] "Why are you getting so upset?"
[Bill Whaley] [screaming] "I'm not upset!"

Bill Whaley rubs his 40-grit palms together
Jim refers to Whaley's soup-warming contraption as a 'solar cooker'. I'm not sure that 'cooker' is the right word as I don't think anyone will be sizzling bacon in it anytime soon, but whatever. It gets hot, wow. Bill also says we can take a sand-filled soda can, paint it black, then set it in the sun to make a hand warmer. Ahhh, Bill knows just how to make things nice and cozy on those crisp Ozark mornin's. Bill really lays it on us thick with the hand warmer, even rubbing his hands together as he describes it. The sound his hands make when rubbed together are like sandpaper on a wood deck. Don't let the dumpy looks fool you, because the Junk Man isn't all about business: He's pleasure too.

The Junk Kook snaps rubber band off yet more garbage
Jim asks Bill what else he has for show-and-tell. I hope this is over soon because my Bill Whaley Junk-O-Meter is running into the red zone. I'm very near to experiencing a junk overdose, and I'm considering buying a furnace for all of my garbage to prevent it from falling into the hands of the other Bill Whaleys of the world.

Bill asks one of the Master's Media kids to pass him a piece of garbage that's out of reach. It's yet another crinkly piece of plastic. If this guy lived next door to me, he would drive me bonkers. I recycle. I have plastic and glass bottles wrapped up in bags on the side of my house, not stacked, just lying out there nice and clean, awaiting the few times each year when I have time to unload it all at the recycling center. If Bill lived next door, I just know that guy would be breaking my balls every couple weeks or so, asking if he could have my plastic. I'd have to tell him no, but then I'd realize that he's looking at my house and probably rooting through my garbage at night when I'm sleeping. I'd be powerless to stop him. It would drive me nuts.

The Junk Tornado unwraps loudly while Lori tries to speak
Whatever Whaley's next piece of garbage is, he has it encased in a plastic bag. Is that to keep it clean? He snaps off two rubber bands from the bag and starts unraveling the treasure inside. Meanwhile, Lori is talking, or at least trying to talk. She's saying something about the Master's Media kids, but Bill keeps driving on with his unpacking. He's like a Junk Tornado: All we see and hear is the crinkling of plastic, rubber bands snapping, and cups or pieces of cups flying about. Whaley's in his zone now, he has no time for Lori's child's play and small talk. Lori's voice trails off as she completes her sentence and stares at Bill, then we all listen and watch for a few awkward seconds as the Junk Tornado finishes unpacking. The ball is back in Whaley's court now.

Bill Whaley struggling to snug his water filter down tight
"This is a coffee creamer bottle. I just cut the bottom off of it." Whaley's face is glowing, he loves this stuff. "I went down to Walmart for $7 and bought me one of those Brita pitcher filters." Bill then drops one of those 'Brita pitcher filters' into his creamer bottle. It's a near perfect fit. Bill pulls down hard on the other end of the filter, you can see the strain on his face as he snugs the filter into the plastic bottle and seats it. He holds it up for us to see and declares proudly, "Now I got a water filter that'll filter 40 gallons of water anywhere I want to go with it." Bill, my good man...what you call a water filter, I call a smoking gun. Did you know that Jim Bakker actually sells expensive Seychelle water filters for over 3 times the price you just mentioned? In fact, the chair your sitting in was probably still warm from Dr Seychelle's last visit! Don't know who Dr Seychelle is, Bill? Well let me describe him for you, you might like him!

Detective Bill Whaley holds the smoking gun for all to see
First off, Dr Seychelle is not really a doctor at all, but Jim insists on calling him one and the fake doctor doesn't seem to mind. His real name is Carl Palmer. He has a face full of plastic surgery, is the CEO of a multi-million dollar company, and has what might be called a 'trophy wife' who operates as a 'Holistic Dental Hygienist'. That sound like your kinda' people, Bill? Or can I just call you 'Dr Whaley'...it'll make people trust you more!

You want conspiracy, Bill, well you just got one. A real one this time. You are now in competition with the fake Dr Seychelle and his froggy little buddy, Jim Bakker. You are on a show whose sole intent is to sell product. You, Bill, with all your quirks, are still at heart trying to help people. If you thought that's what Jim Bakker was about, you've made a mistake. The Jim Bakker Show is designed for product-sales, not people-helping. Showing people how to make a cheap water filter is a noble effort on your part, but in Jim's calculating mind, why would he give people something for free when he can charge them for it instead?

Jim got away from the $7 water filter real quick
Jim's subdued response to Bill's water filter: "Oh my lamb." Bakker had no idea this was going to happen and I can see the wheels turning in his mind, trying to figure out how to brush this under the rug as fast as possible without people catching on. We get one more sentence from Bill before edit: "That's how simple it is to have good clean water." Jim says, haltingly, "It really is. What's next?" Lori is next to Jim with a smile plastered on her face, but I can see her little mind chugging along as well. I'm pretty sure she caught on to the water filter fiasco too, but hell for all I know she's daydreaming about sex and crack-pipes. You never really know with Lori...one minute she's thinking about abortion, the next minute she's thinking about balloons.

Biker Chick Max tries to remember how much Jim's filters cost
As I said, a heavy edit took place here. The next time we see Bill he's snapping a rubber band back onto the plastic-covered water filter set that took him so long to unwrap earlier. No statement on this, Pastor Bakker? Shouldn't you be suggesting to us all that we save our money on pricey Seychelle filters and just build Dr Whaley's $7 filters instead?

We're back to Jim's first question about how to keep people warm, and Bakker once again refers to homeless people as 'street people'. Whaley grabs a large tin can and starts pulling metal objects out of it while Jim is still talking. Clank, clink, clunk. I know you're off the grid Bill, but I think someone is eventually going to find you out there because of all the noise you make. Do you get a lot of hungry bears out your way?

Bill Whaley removes small metal can from large metal can
The Junk Man is glowing again. I get the feeling he could talk junk, garbage and scavenging all day and night, then continuing on into the morning. Bill Whaley fails among men, but at the garbage heap he reigns supreme. Bill grabs Jim's sharpie, the same one used to write on Zach's forehead, and draws a square on the tin can. He tells us that we can cut out the square of tin, bend it over a stick, and 'put a nail through it' to make a frying pan. I have to say, when Bil grabbed the Zach sharpie and started drawing I was expecting a little more from him then a piece of tin attached to a stick. Let's throw that one out Bill, it's sort of lame. Even a gorilla could figure that one out. And by gorilla, I mean Zach Drew.

'Scuse me brother, any sausage cans to spare?
If we want to make a heater instead, Bill tells us to add a couple inches of dirt or sand to the tin can. Then we take a Vienna Sausage tin can, add wax and some pipe cleaners to make a candle. Bill, this one's even more lame. Where am I going to find an empty Vienna Sausage can? Do I need to find a hobo in a train car and rifle through his plaid knapsack while he's passed out drunk? And if I already have wax, wouldn't I also already have a candle? Bill, did you know they make things called tealight candles that can be purchased for less than a twenty cents a piece? You need to get out more and stop handling so much garbage, I think all the toxic metals have started to turn your brain into pudding.

Bill's still driving on with his candle heater. He tells us to place the sausage-can candle into the big tin can, then take a "big 62 oz juice can", poke holes in it and place it over the top of this unwieldy contraption to make a tiny, ineffective heater. I wouldn't even know what a 62 oz juice can looks like, but Bill has the sucker memorized. You've been hanging around the garbage heap for far too long Bill. Here's a life tip: If you converse with more rodents each day than people, then you need a serious change of lifestyle. It's not healthy for your mind.

Jim asked the Junk Kook for his thoughts on the economy
Bakker wants some fear-mongering from Whaley to close the show with. Jim asks the Junk Kook, a man completely unqualified to give answers on, well, anything, if he thinks the dollar is going to 'totally collapse'. Whaley says that this year the 'financial institution' is going to hit everybody and it's going to hit us hard. Jim Bakker, of course, loves hearing the unqualified Bill Whaley predict economic disaster. He looks to the audience and says, "Now listen to what he's saying people. This is what I've been trying to warn you and warn you and warn you..."

I'll get by just fine without your plastic bread bag, Bill
Finally, the show winds down. Bakker asks Whaley to address the critics who call his gimmick stupid. Whaley tells us "your dollar's gettin' littler every day", and asks, "What happens when you can't buy this?" Bill, if I'm so stupid that I can't figure out how to stay warm with all the extra clothes in my closet, or how to crack open a can of Campbell's soup and eat it, then I guess I'll just die. That really sums it up for me, I'd rather lose out and die then spend my life living in fear of ridiculous things like roving gangs, dying of thirst, starving, or freezing to death. I'm not a settler on the frontier.

But let's be honest here: The scary world you describe is not going to happen in our lifetime. We don't live in Sudan, we live in America. Among other things, we have police, military, business, and multiple layers of government filled with fellow citizens who have a vested interest in keeping everything under control. The doom-speakers and fear-mongers like Jim Bakker know this too. That's why they take cold hard cash as payment for their products and speaking engagements. They prey on dimwits who've been watching too many scary movies. Think about it for a second: if Jim Bakker really thought the world was going to fall apart, wouldn't he be doing something to prevent it instead of catering to it?

How much did Jim Bakker pay for your integrity, Bill?
Bakker ends the show with one final pitch for his Wheat Buckets. The high hopes I had for Bill Whaley's integrity have now vanished, because Jim tells us that every $100 Wheat Bucket sold today comes with a free DVD of the Junk Kook in action. We see Bill sitting in his chair, twiddling his thumbs and smiling as if he just swallowed a canary. Bill must be thinking that he pulled a fast one over on Jim, but believe me Bill, the only one pulling a fast one in this relationship is Jim Bakker. You are a tadpole swimming with the largest toad in the swamp, and he's been swimming in this swamp for years.

The show ends, then we get a five-minute commercial for foodbuckets.

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Kool-Aid Kid said...

It's the new wave of reaching youth in Bakker's tiny brain with having a youtube vid of the moronside prophet Zach announcing he pooped his pants. Maybe he did it for his god as an offering?

Craig said...

I've not seen the fake storm show that preceded the solar generator unveiling. Would someone help me understand how a weak 600 watt solar generator can help out during a thunderstorm?

SusanD said...

Craig,
You can use that little LED light on your 600 watt generator to start your big generator that works! lol

Craig said...

Thanks Susan. Lol.

Craig said...

Okay, another claim I don't understand is how jim can have a protected sales area if he's just suppling love gifts? Can anyone help me understand this?

Jessica said...

Jason you suggested that you didn't know much about Bakker's past. (My BS meter alert just tingled!)

If you have a computer (you do because you read this blog) you have read the numerous articles on Jim Bakker.

To say you were not around during the PTL scandals makes my BS meter tingle again. I wasn't around either, but to play dumb about Bakker makes me wonder if you are a beginner zombie trying to be smarter and cooler than we are.

Fool me once, my fault, fool me twice...zombie alert.

Interesting Article by Con Artist Hall of Infamy reads:

"Today, Bakker and his second wife operate the Morningside Church in Missouri, a non-profit that aims to "win the world to Christ."

Here's another nugget:

"As Bakker's deception came to light, Bakker maintained his air of pious innocence on "Nightline" in which he denied that money was missing at PTL. In fact, $4 million from 150,000 loyal PTL members went straight into Bakker's pockets."

Sounds so familiar and its now 2012. Gosh Darn..if only the internet could just go away.

Brother Dortch said...

Re: My Questions Regarding Homosexuality Posed to Mr. Wert

Good evening everyone!

I posted 4 questions to Mr. Wert hours ago on the topic of homosexuality and the last I remember he said he would be sitting outside on the porch enjoying the storms as they passed through. I felt he would come back on and check this blog and answer my questions but still no luck.

Call it a hunch, but could it be that since my 4 questions involve the topic of homosexuality, there needs to be a full scale meeting in the office of the frog before he is allowed to answer them? it wouldn't surprise me if Wendy Youngblood types up the answers to my questions, that Bakker dances around, and hands the sheet of paper to Jason Wert and says: "Here, post this!"

Craig said...

Lol Bro D. I look forward to Mr. Wert commenting again. It seems there has been a change of tactics in response to the Foodbucket Fanpage. Sunday night has been zombies on parade recently but they're not here tonight. Maybe their laptop won't recognize 1200 plus comments on an anti bakker blog.

Brother Dortch said...

LOL Craig!

With all due respect to Mr. Wert, if he thinks he will come back on this site and totally ignore my four questions posed to him in the area of homosexuality, I would like him to know that neither I, nor thousands of others who read this blog, have forgotten them. None of us will ever forget them. You cannot discuss Jim Bakker in the pulpit until you discuss, at the same time, the topic of homosexuality and that is exactly what Mr. Wert has signed up for and gets paid to do. If he admits being gay, himself, he has my total respect for doing so and perhaps that is why his two marriages may have failed. If he does not admit to being gay, himself, than he still has an opinion on the topic and I am seeking answers to the four questions I posed which were:

1) Do you believe that homosexuality is something that a person is born with and cannot "turn on and off like a light switch?"

2) Are you homosexual?

3) Have you ever, even once, engaged in sex with a man in any fashion?

4) When you were a porn addict, was the porn you were addicted to, that was causing you to achieve sexual gradification, porn which showed sex between two men?

And finally, Craig, the "Zombies On Parade" have indeed disappeared. The sad part about all of that was Bakker having to hire someone to get them to shut up. Next, I wish he would hire someone to accompany each and every "student" to the major TV networks he is saying they will soon be qualified to work for, and when each of them gets thrown out without so much as one job, maybe then his employee can report back to him the fake "college" is a not a "college" and should be finally shut down.

Craig said...

TEC 500 Social Media Intervention. Apply skills to deflect attention from Jim Bakker's tax free enterprises.
Applicants for this class will be paid if selected.
Personal finance will be highlighted in this course.

Anonymous said...

The "Zombies On Parade" have seemed to disappear haven't they? YEA!

Anonymous said...

Bakker hiring someone to post for him because he is scared shitless of the numbers the site is getting....LMAO. Very funny!!!!!

It's not too late said...

Repent, Zombies!

Anonymous said...

Congrats Ron! This site is really taking off nicely now.

enough with the excuses said...

Jason, are you a slave to Christ, or a slave to Jim Bakker?

Jim is a slave to money. That's why he takes millions and millions of dollars into his ministry each year, while at the same time telling people that their money will soon be worthless.

Jim is not a pastor. If he was a pastor, he would have preached an Easter message. Were you there for Easter, Jason? Was the good pastor there?

A man with Jim bakker's sordid background should be completely free of controversy. Instead, he's full of controversy.

What is more likely: that all of us completely random people are crazy with envy of a 70 year old felon who lives in the friggin' Ozarks, or that Jim Bakker is repeating the same behavior that he went to prison for the first time?

No more excuses, people.

Grandma Char Groupie said...

The zombies had to find something else to do. Ahhhhh, poor babies!

Tanya said...

To be fair, Jason Wert gave clear indication he would not be posting again on Sun: (11:36am) "Have a great Sunday, everyone. I'll be outside on the porch enjoying the rain showers moving through the area. Hopefully all of you can have a relaxing day as well." (I did have a good day, thanks.)

I'll take the beginning point as Jason W.'s post on April 14, 2012 @8:48pm.

In that post he introduced himself, clarified he was not an anonymous poster and/or TBC, placed his support with Jim Bakker, and said he could not comment on most of the things we have been discussing.

On April 15 @11:36 Jason W. posted for the 2nd time, and clarified more about his employment. He did not offer much that we did not already know - for example, I never disputed that students were running the Jim Bakker show. I disputed that Jim Bakker is running a real school, and that the students are getting good academic, real-world training. On my side I have the concrete evidence of the poor technical quality of the Jim Bakker TV show, and the content of the students' YouTube channel.

In essence, what we got in the 2nd post was some more personal information, clarification of what his job is and is not, acknowledgement of Brother D., an anon, Kool-Aid Kid and myself, and an admonishment directed at the sick 8:29am post.

All of the above has the potential to be disarming, without anything concrete on the table.

I stand by what I said April 15 (11:11am) - going forward, as a paid employee of Morningside, Jason W. *is* in a position to comment, concretely, on what we discuss.

What kind of information is offered, other than personal and/or along the lines of 'that's not my area, I'm unable to comment,' is another subject - all we can do is wait and see.

One last note: I am happy to hear what Jason W. has to say, and I won't be waiting on a back-and-forth with Jason W. only. That would support one poster to control our interactions - and I am absolutely *not* accusing Jason W. of trying to control... I'm just saying that's what would happen *if* everyone focused on Jason W.'s posts only.

Tanya said...

Look at all these comments I didn't see before I posted @ 11:28pm! 17 of them... oops.

I agree, it has been a very quiet - and therefore unusual - Sunday.

I also agree with Jessica - I had only a vague recollection of the PTL scandal, but when I saw Jim Bakker on TV late one night and he was selling foodbuckets, I decided to do some research... how was he back on TV? How was he getting to raise money again? Didn't he owe millions? What on Earth was a foodbucket?

That research is what led me to Ron's blog, among other things.

So, I don't think any of us get to plead ignorance of what happened back then, just as an employee - any employee - of Morningside does not get to plead ignorance about things that may not be in their job description. I'll stick with the school example: if you know what a real school offers, and you look at what Jim Bakker offers, and you look at the output of the students (the show and YouTube), then you *can* have an opinion.

The Master's Media vs. Master's Commission is a whole other ball of wax - April 15@1:30pm ("not" a Bakker believer) did that much more justice that I could.

Tanya said...

Ron - I sent you an email.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

From time to time I visit the frog's site to see if he has any course outline posted for his fake college or educators / professors listed. A slight change in the odor of bakker BS this time. I found no course outline but did find a new list of college educators (called executive staff) besides just the frog and Lori as was the case a while ago.

Jim Bakker: is a "blah blah blah"

Lori Bakker: is a "blah blah blah"

John Woodall: is a graduate of Full Sail where he received a B.S. in broadcasting.

Maricella Woodall: is a 4-year graduate of Master’s Commission.

Andrew Lietzen: is a John Brown University graduate with a B.S. in Digital Media Arts.

There you have it! lol

Anonymous said...

Hi everyone. I hope you had a good Sunday.

Tanya, thanks for pointing out to Bro. Dortch that I wasn’t planning to post again Sunday. I appreciate that. I’m glad you had a good Sunday.

I know some of you will refuse to believe it but nothing I post here is approved or given to me by my employer. It’s entirely my opinion.

Bro. Dortch…I fail to see what my personal sexual history has to do with discussing the topic of homosexuality but I’m not gay. My addiction to porn started and was driven by the fact I was an outcast in high school and unlike the girls in real life the ones in the videos were always ready, willing and eager. I discovered much later after going through recovery and helping ministries that restore men and women from that business that it’s anything but what you see on the screen. I’m sorry I did not provide you with intimate details but my children google their dad and there are some things I haven’t discussed with them due to their age. When the time comes, I want them to hear from me the issues related to my addiction rather than read it on a website. If you’re unhappy about that, there’s nothing I can do about it.

As for the topic of homosexuality, my view is one that’s not popular with either side of the debate.

I believe there are people who are born with a propensity to temptation regarding same sex relationships. It’s not a light switch than can be turned on and off. I also don’t think being tempted in that way is a sin just like I don’t think being tempted into gluttony or stealing or anything else is a sin. Acting upon those temptations can be sinful but it’s not a sin to be tempted. I think a lot of churches don’t make the distinction. I’m not saying that I don’t think the action is a sin but I’m saying I don’t take the traditional view of many churches that it’s always something that you can turn on or off.

That said, I do think there are times where someone isn’t naturally born with a tendency toward being tempted in the area of same sex relationships. I personally know a woman who was abused as a child and entered into a relationship with another woman in her 20s and early 30s but later sought counseling for her childhood abuse and says that her desires toward another woman came from the fact she was abused by a man in her youth. It’s not a scientific study, I’ll admit, but I believe her. In her case, however, I would say the same sex attraction was a symptom of the abuse and not the issue itself; therefore while some would say she was “cured” of homosexuality I would say it’s just a by-product of her healing from abuse.

And God is God. Could He simply take away someone’s propensity to be tempted in that area? Sure. I’ve seen alcoholics who came to Christ and never felt tempted to the bottle again. It’s rare…very rare…but it’s happened. I’m not going to say God could never do it because that wouldn’t be Scriptural.
Tanya, Jessica & others…as for the history of PTL and Pastor Jim’s past, I’m not ignorant of it. My grandfather was a follower of PTL so I heard during my teen years about the accusations. I remember a friend sneaking out of his house his father’s Playboy magazine that had Jessica Hahn in it. I’m not saying I don’t know the past but what I am saying is that I’m not going to walk into this job with preconceived notions that what happened years ago is automatically happening now. If you’re going to give someone a second chance you can’t do it with a host of doubts in the back of your mind that nothing has changed. As with other things, I know most of you won’t agree with that position.

Anonymous said...

As for the school, Tanya, I know the difference between a college and Master’s Media. However, my view of things is probably different than many in that I started out in broadcasting the same way as many of the kids are doing at Master’s Media. I started working at a local radio station during my sophomore year in high school and by the time I hit college had three years of work experience under my belt. I really learned very little about the nuts and bolts of broadcasting in college (although I did gain a love for the history of broadcasting, folks like Edward R. Morrow and Voice of America.) My first job out of college had nothing to do with my college degree but rather that I had seven years experience in radio.

Master’s Media reminds me of broadcasting schools that I knew about when I was in college. They were courses in voice work, editing, production, etc. It wasn’t an accredited college in many cases but it gave you practical knowledge. That’s what I see when I watch the kids working at Master’s Media.

And just to be clear…I have a ton of writing work to do so I might not be back on the page today. I hope you all have a good Monday if I’m not back and Ron, thanks for allowing me to post without censorship or restriction.

Anonymous said...

I notice this site kicked off when the pro-Bakker bunch started to respond. It really hurt them more then helped them with the counter effect of anti-Bakker sentiment overwhelming them. Well, give them credit for trying!

SusanD said...

I watched Jim Bakkers show today, he said the spirit told him people told him people need to move to Morningside! The spirit is most likely Crawford, since he is the one that owns the construction company that builds the over priced condo, and housing in that area lollol.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

"I know some of you will refuse to believe it but nothing I post here is approved or given to me by my employer. It’s entirely my opinion."

... that won't go unnoticed or continue when you have to follow bakker's propaganda. ;)

Tanya said...

The more popular a field gets, the more the criteria to enter the field change.

Decades ago, having a Bachelor's degree was so impressive and unusual, that they listed the degree after people's names in the phone book (I didn't see that firsthand, that is information from grandparents and parents). Now, many Bachelor's degrees will get you... nothing. They have become an expected entry point to other, higher degrees that are necessary to work.

Let's take a different example - video games. When the industry started, you got a job by being good at whatever part of a game you made. Years passed, then you could also break in by becoming a games tester, and then learning on the job if you had initiative and desire. Now, the video game field has been around for many years, there are accredited schools that teach those skills, and game companies take practicum/intern students. And they expect people to : (a) already have the years of work experience, or (b) have the certificate/diploma from an accredited school. As an aside, if you have (b), you typically first go to a big company that expects long hours that more experienced people won't do, then move on when you have gained the experience other companies want.

Fields change. Expectations change.

And everything else being equal, a person with a certificate/diploma plus practicum/internship will most likely beat out a person who does not have the accredited education.

And none of the above addresses the poor quality of what the students put out on YouTube.

Anonymous said...

I was working in a newspaper newsroom as a sports writer at the time of the Bakker scandal of the 1980s.

Someone had picked up a Playboy magazine and brought it into the office. All of the newsroom employees crowded around and someone read the sordid story out loud. Since I was a Christian - somewhat of an oddity in that profession - I had comments made to me like, "So, this is your 'Christianity' you talk to me about?"

When Bakker first got out of prison, I was naive enough to believe it when he said he was a changed man and that he was not going to go back on TV and beg for money. When I found out he was doing just that, I was horrified.

It is obvious that Bakker was only a temporarily changed man. I see very little different in his life now than I saw during the 1980s. I have watched the current show many times and have seen and heard outright lies and deceptions. The entire show is fiction to me, instead of the "reality series" they try to project.

How ANYONE can defend this non-reformed senior citizen is beyond me. And, as to him "prophesying" that more people should move there. Tell me, what person in their right mind would pick up and move to the boondocks to have their lives dominated by a senile 72-year-old convicted felon and his deeply disturbed wife? What is the future for the people who are bonding their lives to this bizarre couple?

Anonymous said...

To Anonymous @ 9:44,

I was not a believer during the PTL years. I was dating a guy at my workplace. He watched PTL, Jimmy Schwaggert, etc. just for the laughs. When Jim Bakker was lead away in chains sobbing everyone at my workplace had a great time picking on the few christians we worked with. The Bakker believers want to always quote the many they believe have come to Christ because of Jim. I know many who will never have anything to do with God because of Bakker.

Anonymous said...

An excellent and soooo true posting at 9:34. Very well said!

Be cool! said...

Lay off Bakker. He's done nothing different then any other Minister, Priest, Rabbi, or Muslim musta. They all preach a doom and gloom sermon or prophecy directed at the saving of souls. And as far as a cult, every recognized religion began as a cult. Cult isn't a bad thing in itself. Bakker is just trying to get along in this crazy mixed up world. So what he has a history of malfeasance, so did Saint Paul, Saint Boniface, Saint Augustine, Saint Terence, and hundreds more. Chill out!

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Be cool!

No, I will keep poking away at all bakker zombies. You chill out and stay cool. ;)

Anonymous said...

To Be cool @ 11:51,

What kind of hallucinogens are you on? You really are trying to compare Jim the deviant, money hungry, power hungry, scam artist to great men and women of God! All of the people you listed once they dedicated their lives to God served the needy. They didn't steal from them, scare them, and use and abuse those less fortunate then them. Jim had his Damascus Road experience, unlike Paul when God gave him another chance he went right back down the same road! Don't even insult these great people of God by putting them in a sentence with the name Jim Bakker, let alone compare them! FOOL!

This is a crazy mixed up world because of people like Bakker!

Jessica said...

Be Cool @11.51 a.m. ring a ding ding..Lay off Bakker...EXCUSE ME?

You said all preachers and saints do this, blah, blah, and blah. I haven't seen any Priest, Rabbi, or Saints you referred to selling jewelry and tents and food buckets.

You said they all do this? Billy Graham didn't. The apostles in the Bible didn't. The Pope doesn't go on television and sell trinkets and flashlights.

You say they are just trying to save souls. Really?? How is it I never hear a Jesus Saves message come out of Bakker forked tongue?

To be a little fair, he did serve his time in prison, crying and sniveling the whole time. You should be angry at the judge who sentenced him...oh, that's right your cool.

He did ask for forgiveness from somebody, wasn't his wife or Jessica. He did "kind of" repent for stealing all the money from PTL supporters, but couldn't give any back because he had spent it all on his and Tammy Faye's personal stuff. (His words).

Thank you for the rebuke. Just to let you know, I am to cool to be offended.

So today, I'm sitting here clapping for all of Bakker's admissions and being such a stand up guy.

Is that cool enough for you?

You said to chill...okay, I am going to grab some popcorn and have a beer and turn the Bakker Munster show on.

I have a punch list that I keep of all of the products he sells. That is my contribution to the good ole boy, so that he can continue to preach the gospel and win souls for Jesus.


Now you chill!

Anonymous said...

Hi Jason!

I'm wondering how you feel about the amount of time Jim spends selling items on the show, rather than preaching the gospel? And why did he take Easter week off?

Also, do you think he spends too much time in Revelation? Saving souls requires the teaching of sin and grace and what happened on the cross and in the tomb. Do you think that sort of teaching happens often enough on the aired shows?

Thanks for your time and for participating here.

Blanche said...

Hi Jason:

I have a question since you have first hand knowledge I'll ask you. Are Dino cakes really as good as Bakker claims? I noticed they used to give them out for special occasions like birthdays and such. What makes them so good? Is is worth my while/money to order one on-line?

Thanks<
Blanche

Brother Dortch said...

Thank-you Mr. Wert!

At least we can meet on common ground now since I agree with you that homosexuality is not something that you can turn on or off like a light switch. You are either gay or you are not. Jim Bakker is gay. His wife must know this fact and is simply a co-conspirator who is involved in this fraudulent ministry for financial purposes. When Jim Bakker goes down, she is going down right with him. Jim Bakker pretends, on camera, to be attracted to his female wife because that is where the money is. He knows he will make nothing by admitting he is gay. He has never once admitted to the multiplicity of affairs he has had with men and is a true master at blaming everyone else, except himself, for problems he has had. What he is doing behind a pulpit again is beyond me. He is able to be there because of dumb, stupid, and extremely ignorant people who keep sending him money to be there. Even Mr. Falwell, said: “I have sat across the table from men who have told me of your homosexual advances.” And, what does Bakker do, he ignores this statement as he has the rest of the discussion about adultery in the pulpit. I say “adultery” because sex with anyone, male or female, while married is just that. To put it mildly, Jim Bakker does not belong in any position of authority in any ministry. He is a fraud. He is a liar. He is a con artist. He is a moral failure, a money launderer, a credentials-hiding tax evader, a braggart, and, once again as Mr. Falwell put it: “the greatest scab and cancer on the face of Christianity in 2,000 years.”

You were honest enough, Mr. Wert, to admit you were unemployed for one year prior to landing this position, a matter of days ago, with the Jim Bakker ministry and now Jim is paying you to come here and represent him. This is also fraud and I am not saying you are the fraudster. Please don’t misunderstand me. You are doing what any unemployed person would gladly do, i.e., get off the unemployment roster and make a living doing what your employer tells you to do. When money is involved people will do just about anything even if it is illegal and immoral.

Can you imagine The Lost Angeles Times, or similar organization, deciding to do an investigative expose on Jim Bakker and then hiring Charlene Graham or Lori or Jerry Jones to be the head of that investigative news group? That is laughable! You will never, ever get true sentiments expressed by someone’s employee. It is called a "literary bias” and that is what Bakker is attempting to pass off here as being accurate and true because he, himself, does not have the balls to even admit he is gay much less to come here and speak the truth about the other 999 other things we have discussed here. He has placed you here, Mr. Wert, because he is hoping the people who read this blog and post to it are as dumb and stupid as the poor sheep he fleeces each and every day on his non-Christian TV show. Then he can no sooner let the cameras get turned off before he reemerges as a tyrant and almost Hitler-esque figure who has one of the highest turnover rates I have ever seen in any so-called ministry. I can, but will not, name names of senior people he has verbally abused at Morningside. How this man can even sleep well at night amazes me. Oh wait! I know how he does it. It is by the use of that “sleep wristband” he sells that corrects the frequencies in his brain and allows him to have a good nights sleep! How about it, Mr. Wert? Will you be spending money from your new found paycheck, now that you are no longer unemployed, on the purchase of one of those “sleep wristbands” or are you honest enough right here and right now to admit it is nothing but fraud and snake oil?

Brother Dortch said...

While I mean you no harm or disrespect, you are collecting a paycheck from a convicted felon and con artist who has swindled your weekly take home pay from people who are deceived on a daily basis. You know as well as I know who the mastermind of his organization is. It is not Char Graham or her daughter or Jerry—yet all of them make more money than he does. Why? Because this convicted felon, who blames everyone else for his problems other than himself, thinks it is an admirable trait to boast on TV how much he depends on Social Security to live and then laughs and says: “You all don’t pay me a lot around here” when, in effect, what he is doing is avoiding paying taxes he owes to the IRS for swindling money from them the first time around.

I have more respect for pot smoking Willie Nelson. At least when his accountants made a mistake, which he was ultimately held liable for to the tune of as many millions as Bakker owes, Willie at least paid them back and went on Larry King’s CNN show and said he is totally paid up. What did Bakker do? He went on Larry king’s CNN show and said he will never be raising money on television ever again.

Welcome, Mr. Wert, to the field of lies and deceit that you are going to have to justify to your own daughters one day that you participated in while wearing your red Hawaiian shirt and being this con artist’s announcer when both Zach and Kevin were not present one day. I hope, by then you tell them both you made a serious mistake. You are not employed by a ministry. You are working for a Christian hillbilly QVC sales fest—as your boss, and his Social Security check, funnels money in other people’s names to him so he can claim to be poor…as he continues to lie, cheat, and steal in the name of Jesus.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Anon "actually has a friend, believe it or not"@834pm

FYI, here's a nice big slice of Dino cake. Now do me a favour ... stuff it in your moronside fake student cake-hole. ;)

You know I'm right. said...

Any/all references to "dino" cake, I attribute to Kool-aid-Kid using an anon, fake or misleading handle. He's got an infatuation with dino cakes and Mr Gilberti's Pizzas.

Grandma Char Groupie said...

Very well stated Brother Dortch. Excellent!

Kool-Aid Kid said...

"You are working for a Christian hillbilly QVC sales fest"

LOL Very funny Bro D.

Cindy B. said...

Another eloquent posing from The Master. Excellent job, as always, Brother Dortch! I couldn't agree with you more.

Los Angeles Ministry Worker said...

Mr. Bakker is obviously attempting to influence what people's perceptions of him are on this blog and many of you, Brother D included, are smart enough to see right through the "smoke and mirrors". There are some excellent writers here and the fact that Mr. Bakker is so nervous about what you are saying and doing here is perhaps the best compliment you folks can ever have. I work for one of the Mega churches in the city and I will tell you Jim Bakker is a joke. The only time we turn it on is for laughs. It is not a church ministry. It is a perfect example of exactly what a church ministry is NOT supposed to be. He will answer for all he has done to a much higher authority one day. That's for sure.

Anonymous said...

When Mr Bakker does eventually answer to a higher authority, as we all must, you can bet it will be rewarding. I'll bet there is a special place in Heaven for people like Mr. Bakker, who dedicate their lives doing the work of the Lord.

Anonymous said...

Thank you Brother Dortch,

Once again a very informative and spot on post.

I want to know why an felon gets a social security check? Jim the con owes millions to us tax payers and yet gets a paycheck from us too! There is something really wrong with this and I will be calling my senator.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Anon"Heavenly BS"@304pm

So you're telling me there's a bath house in heaven?

Anonymous said...

To 3:04,

Another Bakker supporter strung out on drugs.

There is a special place in hell for bakker. And I pray he goes there soon!

Anonymous said...

to3;06. Perfectly legit. don't embarrass yourself by calling your Senator. Let it go. Your Senator has much more important issues then some nickle and dime complaint. Thank you

Chubbs said...

Bro Dortch, has Jason sufficiently answered all of your questions?

Nicky said...

To 3;08

Pastor Bakker prays so you will go to Heaven.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Jim Bakker's Moronside students must have a break before a fake class starts.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Anon and Nicky

Time is written with a : between the hour and minute and not a ;

Just so you two (lol) know next time.

;)

Oh hell, you're probably Chubbs too! lol Go Chubbs! Go!

Brother Dortch said...

Thank-you everyone!

Just for the record again:

I will not be answering any of the fake students fake postings either now or in the future.

Have a great evening!

Anonymous said...

Brother Dortch, are you saying Jason is an imposter and you wont be responding to him?

Kool-Aid Kid said...

And just to be clear…I have a ton of writing work to do so I might not be back on the page today.

lol

Anonymous said...

We are still waiting for Ron to confirm that Jason Wert is the real deal.

Tanya said...

We can choose to ignore the past sex scandal, if we want, and there is still plenty to discuss.

If any of the below points need correcting, please correct them. They are all things we have discussed in these comments before, and happened after prison:

Jim Bakker said he would not return to TV and raise money - he did.

Jim had a redemption ladder created by his faith - he refused to participate.

Jim raised money for food for a Moldova charity - then said due to customs/legalities the food could not be shipped, but he would donate the shipping money to the charity: (a) why did he not know about the legality of shipping before raising money, (b) what happened to the rest of the money raised (other than shipping)?

Jim raised money for a Jesus statue, promised that people who donated money would get their name on a plaque on the statue - the statue is at Morningside, there is no plaque, and SusanD let us know that Jim said he will wait until the donations have ended. No end date given for the donations... but if the statue is there, aren't the donations over?

Jim raised money for Lori's House, now construction is delayed. Should he not have known about the legalities before raising money?

Jim says people cannot "pick and choose" out of the Bible, yet when he preaches, does so almost exclusively out of Revelation.

No new shows for Easter.

Jim uses looping footage of 9/11, disaster movies, real disasters (such as the Japan tsunami), and fake thunder/lightening/evacuation sirens to generate fear, and prompt people to buy his products to "be prepared."

Jim runs a fake school (I've gone over that enough).

Jim gives a multitude of reasons for why he was sent to prison (I've reviewed all those, too).

Jim gives misleading information about the foodbuckets: number of meals, years of storage life.

There are more things - my point is that there are more than enough current things to warrant concern. So if anyone wants to give Jim Bakker a clean slate as of his release from prison - do it, and address the current stuff.

Anonymous said...

Yawn... that all you got?

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Anon "zzzzzz"@709pm

Time to head back to the moronside crypt you sleepy headed zombie. You want to be fresh for a new day tomorrow don't you?

SusanD said...

Wow Tanya great post, you really summed it all up. Good work……

Jessica said...

When Jason first posted, I felt that he was too slick. His smooth talk reminded me of being in a bar and a guy comes up and tells me I look like someone he use to know. Sits down uninvited, and then he is right there in your face being your best friend!

While I was reading the comments from Jason, my "BS meter" buzzed a little, but I thought lets give this an honest evaluation. I immediately thought..Bakker "Gun Slinger"..a hired gun.

His job is to infiltrate the blog and change the subject by snowing us with his words and his quiet, good guy mannerisms, and tell us how wrong we are and how misunderstood Bakker is by the world. Yikes, I can hear it now.

Why would Jason, who is educated and probably could get a job anywhere, go to Moronside and sign on with Jim Bakker? Its like he is Bakker's bodyguard on this blog.

He is going to romance us with his words, and after lighting the candles, get us to sip the Kool Aid, while he nibbles on our ears telling us how Bakker is changed. Bakker is trying to con us with this guy. Just saying......

Jason reminds me of a husband I had that smooth talked me and then romanced me right out of my money. Lesson learned!

Tanya said...

@7:09pm: no, its not all I've got, as I said there are more things that we have discussed in these comments.
Thanks for taking the time to read the post.

SusanD: thank you!

Jessica: I don't believe that we have had anything concrete from Jason W. yet that relates to the serious issues we discuss on this blog's comments.

Interesting that he reported he has a college degree, yet minimized the importance of an accredited education - and offered what we already know: the students learn the basics in order to run Jim Bakker's show. I don't believe anyone ever expressed any doubt about that.

As an aside, I don't think we can under-estimate the value of having a college education when getting a job later - even if it is in an unrelated, or tenuously related field. Employers look at the completion of a college degree as proof that a person is able to meet commitments and expectations, self-direct, learn, and have a guaranteed level of academic know-how.

But, we don't need to get hung-up on the school. Unless there is something concrete to add that demonstrates that the school is anywhere close to a real school that will give these students a certificate/diploma/degree that will work in the real world, we can leave that issue alone.

Any other topic from my 6:54pm post, or indeed, any of the questions asked by other posters, are out there, waiting to be addressed.

Craig said...

@7:09 pm "yawn"
How many bakker/morningside/masters media lies would you like listed? Please respond so we can get started. The full list is quite exhaustive and may take several pages to list. Thanks in advance for your prompt response.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Morning Craig,

As for the moroningside "yawn" zombie, I think it tumbled out of it's crypt and dragged itself over to the cafe for a bowl full of bakker cereal.

Hey zombie! Say hello to zombie Jason if you see him spooning down some breakfast with the rest of the moronside freaks.

Just for laughs I'm going to watch a jim bakker moronside episode day. Let's see now ... which one? lol

Kid for Mayor said...

Rip them a new one! Kool-aid-Kid

agreed said...

Most respected registered member = Kool-aid Kid.

Anonymous said...

ANONYMOUS FOR MAYOR

Anonymous said...

Thank ya... thank ya very much.

Anonymous said...

Hi gang. I knew you would expect me to be here under orders from Jim and the ministry. I know I'm not but I know I likely won't change your mind on it.

Tanya, I'm not saying an accredited education isn't a benefit to someone looking for a position in broadcasting but it's not always a requirement. I know some of the TV stations in Springfield hire some positions with the only requirement for education being a high school diploma. They're certainly going to find it a lot harder to progress in their career without a college degree but it doesn't mean it's not impossible if they want to dig in and work hard. They might have to work the overnights and every weekend and holiday to prove their willingness to be a part of the team but it can be done. Just because it might not be as easy as it would be with a Bachelor's Degree doesn't mean it's impossible.

Jessica, the reason I took the position here is because A) I needed a job, B) I could do the job and C) I felt God was giving me an opportunity to serve in ministry again. I also have a house that I've been trying to sell for a few years and the market isn't good for real estate. My job options are limited because I've chosen to live within a certain distance of my children. If I was willing to move anywhere in the USA, I could have had a job before the one I took at Morningside. I'm more than willing to admit I limited my job search because of my unwillingness to not be a part of my children's life.

Tanya, I can't speak on Moldova or the other things that happened before I arrived. As for Lori's House, I can't say for sure. If they didn't have problems building the other structures on the property perhaps they assumed there would be no problem here. That's just speculation on my part.

As for the Easter shows, I know they cancelled a few weeks of tapings because Jim was ill. I can't say they were planning Easter shows to be taped but the time frame fits the turnaround time I was told they have from taping to air. Again, that's speculation on my part but based on what I've heard regarding the time to get shows out to affiliates from production.

Again, I know most of you will just assume I'm here under orders. I fully expect you to doubt a lot of what I post here. I don't think (as Brother Dortch said) that you're all "dumb and stupid." If I did I wouldn't bother posting here. I don't agree with many of your assumptions about what is going on at Morningside but that doesn't mean I think you're dumb.

And Brother D...I don't need a "sleep wristband" so no, I won't be buying one. :)

And before someone mentions it, yes, the server crashed today as the show with Rabbi Cahn was due to begin. It was due to heavy traffic hitting the live stream of the show.

Anonymous said...

Jim has never had a show focusing on the birth of Christ at Christmas time. Jim has never had a show focusing on the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ at Easter. Christian holidays are not celebrated on Jim's show. Why? Because Jim and everything about him has nothing to do with Christ!

Jason can try his best to spin the story on this fake ministry, but there isn't a story or excuse that can make it what it isn't!

burnjimburn said...

Hello Mr. Wert,
I have a serious question. would you allow Jim and Lori to babysit for your children?
Would you feed your children food from one of jim's buckets?
Do you want them to eventually attend the master's commission or would you prefer they went to an accredited institution?

all very serious questions, and i would appreciate an answer.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for answering the Easter shows question, Jason.

How do you feel about the amount of time Jim and Lori spend selling items on air versus preaching?

Do you think that Jim spends too much time teaching people how to prepare and not enough time teaching the basics of salvation?

Thanks!

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Jason, I'm assuming you are doing all this blogging on the Bucket during Morningside work hours. Maybe it's coffe break? All the same you are getting paid I'm guessing for these propaganda comments. Are you not?

One of the most heard of comments coming from moronside is "loose lips sink ships". I have seen it mentioned here enough times by zombies and lucky ones to get away from that place to know it is likely the case. Never heard that phrase at moronside Jason?

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Bucket people can you not see what is going on here?

Look at Anon@942am! That zombie is setting up Jason for another round of Bakker answers.

LOL

How stupid do you think we are?

Jason you are Bakker's zombie!

Craig said...

Mr. Wert sure speculates alot for being on staff. That's okay Mr. Wert, the truths about the bakker frauds always make it to these comment pages and you won't need to speculate anymore . Your focus may need to shift to defend and deny then.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Anon "Really A Zombie" @942am

"Thanks for answering the Easter shows question, Jason."

LOL. The bakker zombie is probably sitting right beside Bakker Propaganda Minister "Jason".

"How do you feel about the amount of time Jim and Lori spend selling items on air versus preaching?"

LOL A prepared statement from the Moronside Propaganda Ministry.

"Do you think that Jim spends too much time teaching people how to prepare and not enough time teaching the basics of salvation?"

Another prepared statement from the Moronside Propaganda Ministry.

"Thanks!"

... "and nice shirt you have on today Jason ... oops"

LOL

Craig said...

Good eye Kool Aid Kid, those are teed up softballs for Mr. Wert. Lol.

burnjimburn said...

totally agreed KAK,
i dont think wert would let his family spend time with this scum. i think he is justifying everything he is doing to avoid the realization he is following (serving) a sick deviant who lies and steals to support his raping of boys and girls minds and bodies.

Jessica said...

After filing my tax return and paying my taxes, which Bakker doesn't have to do since he doesn't disclose the truth and knows how to hide income from the IRS, I need a good laugh!

My tax dollars help support Bakker and his zombie compound, so let's tune in and watch the Bakker Munster show. He's using my money and I am pissed off.

Maybe Tammy Sue will waddle in and sing. I don't think we will see her until she has had a "make over" and spent weeks on the Jesus treadmill taking off some inches. Does Jesus care if she is fat? No, according to scripture God looks on the heart.

I hope to recognize Jason by his humble action of kneeling in front of the "graven idol" that Bakker bought for $30,000, praying for us that throw sticks and stones. Showing us the love of Jesus and how his job is to reach out to us sinners with the truth and confirm that there is no scamming going on at Moronside and its a real ministry.

I wonder if Jason filled out a W4 form when he was hired. Oh!! Shock! I will assume he didn't fill one out, unless he tells me different. How about revealing your salary or do you work on commissions?

There will be a "secret" money drive to give Jason a bonus, if he is successful on this blog. Ain't going to happen, so maybe you will have to hit the road within 6 months...Jim's timetable.

Non Profit status says the organization books are open to eyes, if requested.

Already tried to find out, but Bakker knows how to hold a dime between his legs, unless he's on his hands and knees, so the information is hard to get to. Bakker has the bases covered...must have learned that in jail. Good lawyers, obviously.

Sorry for the long post, but I get so stirred up..just call me a wind bag. The zombies have already called me a couple things so "whatever".

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Come on Moronside Propaganda Minister your zombie bakker zombie (or yourself )has set you up for more "truthful" answers coming from the compound.

This is exactly what I would expect Jim Bakker to pull!

LOL

Anonymous said...

Bakker might be on Social Security disability due to his emotional issues. Accordingly, he would not be required to file taxes. Social Security: Yes, Social Security Disability: No. all perfectly legal.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

You know something Jim Bakker Propaganda Minister, you need to be hooked up to my BS Detector?

I have tons and tons of writing to do but I will get around to it soon gang (of zombies that is).

Hint: If the frog comes at you with a felt tip marker when he hears you screwed up your job as a blog hitman .... run! Come to think of it, you have a nice big forehead and 666 would look good on you too.

Anonymous said...

Holy cow! You make it sound like Bakker is the anti-Christ. The so-called "False Prophet", the 666 guy. I'm sure he's not that bad, lighten up Peanut Gallery crew. You need to take that show with a "pinch of salt".

SusanD said...

On the live show I watched the other day, Jim said he had pneumonia…..he then went on to say he got it cutting down trees the pollen got to him. The funny thing is he said he uses Silver Sol to coat his nostrils to stop pollon from sticking in his nose. Lol guess Silver sol can’t cure pneumonia, but can cure Malaria like Bakker stated on some of his older shows.

burnjimburn said...

jim protects himself from getting aids at rest stop bathrooms by coating his genetalia and mouth with silver sol

Kool-Aid Kid said...

... the old frog has genetalia?

Anonymous said...

My oh My. Aren't we self-important now? Don't flatter yourselves, all 10 of you bucketeers. I know this is hard for you to believe, but you're not ALL THAT and I seriuosly doubt that anybody is putting much stock in anything here.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Anon"My oh My oh My oh My"@1108am

Hi! How's your day at the moronside compound going today?

Ten? Ten? Really ... lol

Not ALL THAT or did you mean all that?

You keep yelling like this and Jim Bakker's Propaganda Minister Jason Twert will come and spank you on the bum. You may like it.

Never noticed how mr. twert comes here and "puts down" fake zombie hate comments planted there for him to look like the good guy? No? Well open your zombie eyes.

Anonymous said...

You're right, maybe it's not ten.

Let's see, there's:

Ron
Craig
Tanya
KAK
Dortsch
Jessica
SusanD

Who'd I miss?

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Anon"My oh my oh my ..."

LOL

I like your humour.

Too bad you're a jim bakker zombie and I'm a Bucket person. Think of all the laughs we could have over a bucket of space food. Damn. Life is not fair is it!

;(

Craig said...

I wonder how many solar generators they used to power up their over burdened server after it crashed. Lol

Papa Gino said...

COME ON KOOL AID! Last time I'm going to tell you! These pizzas don't make themselves! Never mind the texting. Remember to put more cheese on the toppings! Stop cheating the customers.

Tanya said...

Regardless of why Easter shows were not filmed, there have been no shows since that addressed it. Maybe there will be going forward, but not to date, and the window where that would seem the most relevant has closed. I also remember Jim Bakker saying he got sick due to the high pollen count, and he should have known better than to do so much work outside - what he did not mention was if there were to have been any Easter shows taped, or anything about Easter at all. That would have been the time to do it.

Sure, not impossible to break into an industry without the proper credentials - yes, unlikely and not easy. At this point, it seems clear that there is no evidence that Jim Bakker is running a college. If he would stop calling it a college, or a school, or Master's Commission, or Master's Media (all of which are misleading for reasons already discussed by several people) and create a name for it that accurately reflected what it actually is - a hands-on, peer-led, practical, unaccredited experience - that would be a good first step.

Jason, we are about where I said we'd be. You won't comment on things that were before your time - I still think that you can have an opinion about things like the missing Moldova money (the question - what happened to the money raised - is a valid question, not one you need to have an answer to)... but OK. That wipes out a whole lot of things - including the fact that Jim Bakker refused to complete the redemption ladder set by his own faith. Yet you do speculate on some things, like the lack of an Easter show, and that Lori's House was perhaps an honest mistake.

So far, my opinion only, we have Jason being a likable chap and no concrete answers about any of the things floating around in these comments. So really, nothing has changed.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

The only comment I have for you is that I love that friggen screen name you have. "Papa Gino"!

LOL LOL LOL

Anonymous said...

KAK - I promise you that the only way we can be friends is if you learn how to spell "genitalia."

Really now.

Tanya said...

An anonymous comes on and lists the identifiable Bucket-people by screen name.

The key to that sentence: *by screen name*

Screen names that are used consistently. Makes us easy targets, hey.

I understand why you anonymous ones don't want to be accountable for what you say - but really. Is that all you want to type? Highlight the difference between the people who are willing to be accountable for what they say, and you, who is not?

Anonymous said...

Who'd I miss? Anybody?

Kool-Aid Kid said...

hahahhahahaha ...

Good one.

:(

I type too fast and make mistkaes alot.

100% behind the Pastor said...

That lady that posted yesterday. She said she was going to call her Senator. Well? What did he say? You trolls get tough but chicken out at the last moment. If you're going to do something, be a person of your word. Geeeeeezzzzeee!

Kool-Aid Kid said...

You have me listed as KAK. My oh my oh my! It should be Kool Aid Kid.

Anonymous said...

Good question 11:45.

I'd be interested to hear about all the replies these trolls are getting from their Senators, the Trinity Foundation, the IRS, the Feds and whoever else they said they complained to.

Has anybody, well, any of you 10 (or is it 7) heard back from any of these agencies about how eager they are to jump on this non-profit?

I'm betting you all got zippo.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Anon"there is really two of me"@1158am

Oh stop answering your own comment posted at 1145am. You look silly doing that.

That aside, I guess you will just have to sit tight in your Depends and wait.

typical responces said...

They get back comments like: "Call back when you have something substantial". "Perfectlty legitimate". "Don't bother the President/Senator/Reps with your foolish accusations". "Oh! It's that nut again from the Bakker Bucket".

Anonymous said...

"On the live show I watched the other day, Jim said he had pneumonia…..he then went on to say he got it cutting down trees the pollen got to him."
_________________

On the same show, Bakker said that the hefty singer Kevin was not there because he had gotten a fever from allergies. Even more bizarre, he said that one of his relatives "died from hay fever."

Uh......"doctor Bakker." You don't get a fever from allergies. Viral or bacterial infections, but not allergies. And you don't die because of hay fever!

Oh, and while I'm at it, your wife didn't get her nails painted in a pharmacy.

The people who live down there have entrusted their minds and bodies to this guy? Scary stuff.

Jessica. Concerning paying taxes for Bakker. I feel your pain.

Anonymous said...

You trolls and Joe C. deserve each other. All talk! All brag, no fact. I'm outta here!

Kool-Aid Kid said...

There you go!!!

A much better job from you at 1206am.

See! With practice even a zombie can learn to hide your comment "footprints".

Proud of you. ;))

Jeffrey said...

To "Newbie Zombie"@1213pm

.... and don't let the door catch your trolly behind on the way out!

lol

(that one was really stupid. trying to pretend it was three zombies. lol lol lol )

Anonymous said...

My oh My. You guys and gals are sure suspicious.

KAK - I'm hurt.

I thought we had a 'thing' going here.

Seriously though, you bucketeers are much better at multiple personality disorders.

Anonymous said...

lol. Kool-aid-kid is starting to sweat. lol And it's not from condensation. lol

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Anon" Guys and Dolls"

Why not pick and stay with a screen name? It's a pain in the butt to have to dream them up for you. ;)

We still have a "thing". What gave you the impression we didn't?

Kool-Aid Kid sweat? Never. ;)

How do you like me now said...

You really are cool, KAK.

I just might like you for real... in the real world.... Depends.

Anonymous said...

Rip em a new One!!! Kool Kid

Kool-Aid Kid said...

How do you like me now,

It would never work (sound of a single tear going down my cheek).

Me a bakker zombie hunter ... and you a bakker zombie.

Come on now! What would our neighbours think? ;(

... it would never ever work.

SusanD said...

Ugh Kool-Aid,
I think Zach is hitting on you lol

How do you like me now said...

Awww Kool-Aid, forget about all that.

You know what they say: once you go zombie, you never go back!

Anonymous said...

Joe C. started a petition to stop the building of Lori's House. Jimbo greased his palm and now the construction is continuing and Joe C. is nowhere to be found?

Jim's Gay Lover said...

I am 100% behind Pastor Bakker too.

SusanD said...

Jim's Gay Lover,
lol better to be behind him then in front of him

Joe C Blue eye, Missouri said...

Nice try Anon @ 2:00

Anonymous said...

Well look what the cat dragged in...Where have you been and whats the latest on the construction Joe C.?

Lead,follow or get out of town! said...

Joe C. is no different then a lot of these guys here. They think that they are going to shut the Bakker machine down. Joe goes through hell to start a drive to dismantel the machine. The machine tells Joe to move out of the way, they are coming through. Bakker is good for Blue Eye, Joe wants to turn back the clock and halt progess. Not in this town. Stand out there with a sign, embarass yourself like the lady who's going to call her Senator. Get it through your skulls, Bakker is here to kick butt and chew bubblegum!

Bakker fools you said...

To lead, follow, or get out of town :
You may want to check out the pending FCC regulations concerning interstate commerce.

Joe C Blue eye, Missouri said...

You are 100% incorrect on everything you just posted. Lead,

Anonymous said...

Jimmy gave Joe C. some hush money and now he is leaving town...

Anonymous said...

The Bakker nuts are scared that people are starting to take action against the frauds Jim, Lori, and the Crawfords.

The losers supporting Bakker come here to attack and harass in an attempt to distract and discourage people to keep them from speaking out. I am sure they were arrogant the first time too!

fed up with the fools said...

The Bakker fools are back. Must be a slow day on Main Street in there compound. Jimmy doesn't have any new products to push today?

Since you fools don't know you bible let me remind you "pride goes before the fall".

Don't know who I will be laughing the hardest at, Jim, or his foolish followers, when it all comes crashing down!

Zach Drew said...

Hi

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Jim Bakker's Propaganda Minister needs to have a talk with these mean zombies and hillbillies. I'm sure they will listen to this moronside zombie ... not. ;)

Craig said...

LMAO@7:35 leader. bakker is here to kick butt and chew bubblegum. Fake pastor couldn't win a fixed fight, lol. But he does like to chew on something, just not bubblegum. Lol.

Anonymous said...

To 4:27.

Like Zach Drew listens to you? Give me a freaking break! He's up there with the suits. You need to pay your dues.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

"Like Zach Drew listens to you?"

No, idiot. (sigh)

Reread my post again fool. I said "I'm sure they will listen to this (Propaganda Minister ... got it?) moronside zombie.

You need to give yourself a freaking break and give your little brain a chance to think.

ps What your freaking IQ anyways?

LOL

Craig said...

Lol. Wrong time on my last comment. It should have been @3:35 PM Leader.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Anon"Likes Certain Phrases Alot@433pm

You like the term "with the suits" don't you bakker zombie. How do I know? You've used that term a few times here on the Bucket for me to figure out you use it with everybody I bet ... like with the rest of the moronside fake students. I'll give you a hint, don't use it around the Propaganda Minister or he'll figure it out too. ;))

LOL LOL LOL LOL

Craig said...

@Apr16 7:09 pm yawner.
I am yawning waiting for your prompt reply. It seems Tanya listed enough bakker lies and you really didn't want to look at any more. Sorry zombie, Tanya didn't even mention silver sol, there are so many more lies that can and will be exposed.

Craig said...
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Kool-Aid Kid said...

Mr. Jim Bakker Propaganda Minister

Do you think that collecting "dirty" money from Jim Bakker will curse just you? Think again, especially when you have trouble sleeping at nights.

It will curse your whole household. Is it worth it?

Get an honest job!

You need to talk with a "real" minister about this situation you've found yourself in.

Satan said...

Hi!

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Mr. Jim Bakker Propaganda Minister

Do you hear voices screaming everytime you recieve a pay cheque from Morningside? No? You should. Do you not know that Jim Bakker has used the 911 clips over and over again to generate a money flow from simple-minded and scared tv viewers. You take some of that screaming and money with you every pay cheque you take to your household. Makes you want to throw up right? Right?

Craig said...

@5:40
Hi jim. How's the bath house?

Uncle Henry said...

Hey Joe C., Jim said that if the petition you started keeps him from building Lori's House on the site it is at now, he will just move construction to another location on his property.

Craig said...

North Korea had an embarrassing rocket failure the same week jim bakker has a server failure. Both dear leaders must be pissed. Lol. There is no coincidence, there is a divine hand involved.

Joe C Blue eye, Missouri said...

Uncle Henry for President.

Get your facts straight there bozo.I did not start the petition.

SusanD said...

Craig,
Jimbo will blame server failure on solar flares... I am sure he will be selling some sort of device to stop the flares lolol

Craig said...

Lol Susan
Your excuse is better than Mr. Wert's. Too busy from the enormous volume of traffic generated by yet another scare fest featuring the fake rabbi. Lollollol.

SusanD said...

Did you notice that there was a lot of coffee cups on the main table when the Rabi Yawn was there He must of bored everyone there lolol

Jessica said...

A zombie posted today that the Baker Machine is so big that we will never be able to take it down. Dude! I am not trying to take Jim Bakker down.

I won't have to, because one day Bakker is going to drop dead and no one will care, not even the zombies. Lori sure won't care.

What a pain in the ass Bakker has been to her, always talking about her 5 abortions. She will be rich and free. Zombies galore!

The ever faithful zombies will waddle over to Lori and her eventual new "man of God". Flash! Just thought about it, maybe that is why Jason Wert came to town. He is going to fill Bakker's big soup can shoes and .........? Or, Zach could be standing in the wings too. But to win her, he will have to hit the stair-master, might take a couple years, and drop some rolls off his butt. I have always thought Zach would prefer a "cougar".

One of the zombies said this blog has only 7 posters, and I was number 6. So what? Before I respond, please brush your tooth before posting because it is offensive behind the computer screen. Did you find a toothbrush laying around, or maybe another zombie carried one in his pouch. Good job, much better.

I post to expose and ridicule Jim Bakker. There are 103,426 views on this blog, which proves that there are a lot of people who know that Bakker is a convicted felon. They might have thought he was dead and are surprised to find out he is still alive and doing the same thing, but had to go to Missouri to find suckers and inbreds, affectionately known as zombies.

LOL! My BS Meter never fails me....Imagine my laughter when I turned the show on this a.m. and there he was saying "My name is Jason Wert and welcome to the Jim and Lori Bakker show".

What a weirdo.. Take your money and get some porn and contemplate your future with Bakker. You have earned a zombie poke. While watching porn, just think your hero Bakker actually performed some of the acts you see on porn.

Liar, liar pants on fire! After seeing smooth talking Jason, I thought, yeah he looks like all of them. Pale, arrogant, yellow zombie with a smirk.

silver sol turned my grampa blue said...

Regarding responses from agencies that are being contacted about Fakker Bakker,i suggest people on this blog not disclose the responses they receive from those agencies. Bakker doesn't need to know any thing about what people are doing to stop his fraud. It's obvious that he's telling people to listen here so he can stay one step ahead of the law.

Cindy B. said...

What silver sol turned my grampa blue says is 100% true. Keep what happens in regard to your complaints to yourself. Bakker and his staff read this blog and post to it everyday. He is so used to breaking the law and skirting the law he is looking for all the help he can get to stay one step ahead of the law. Excellent advice silver sol turned my grampa blue.

Tanya said...

There have been a number of comments alleging that Jim Bakker gave Joe C. "hush money" to stop posting, or to not give any details of their meeting, or whatever.

I realize that these comments have been meant to discredit Joe C.

But have any of you who made these allegations about "hush money" thought about what that says about Jim Bakker?

If Jim Bakker needs to pay anyone "hush money" the implication is that Jim Bakker is in the wrong, or has a need to keep something quiet. Just look at what was going on the last time Jim Bakker paid "hush money."

That knife cuts both ways.

Ron said...

FYI I removed the page view counter. Bakker and his cronies don't need to know how many people are coming here and learning all about them. The answer is: a lot. If they have nothing to hide then they won't care anyways.

The person posting as Jason Wert did in fact contact me, and used an email domain that would be difficult to fake, so yeah that's him.

If anyone has the time and can stomach it, try keeping a log (by air date) of any false or suspicious product claims made by Bakker. Even better if you have the episode saved on your DVR or somewhere else. This will help out immensely if you decide to file a complaint against the Snake.

One last thing: The best thing that can be done about Bakker is to get more eyes on him. The more people out there who know about him, the more complaints will be lodged and the more likely he'll be investigated.

Spread the word about him wherever and whenever you feel comfortable. Create a Facebook group page and spread it within your network (feel free to post it here too). Tweet about him daily. If you know a journalist/reporter, or feel like writing a 'letter to the editor', go for it. He's so obscure that most people don't know he's still out there, but once they view his show they won't forget him.

Brother Dortch said...

Though I will never fault Mr. Wert for using his true identity, I refuse to engage in a post to post discussion or idea fest with a paid blogger of Jim Bakker. Mr. Wert knows he is working for a homosexual jailbird who is engaged in fraud. Both of us agree homosexuality is not something you turn on or off like a light switch. You either are or you are not and Bakker is. If you check out his most recent post you will clearly see he also has no use for one of those "sleep wristbands" since anybody, with even half a functioning brain, knows it is a fradulent item. Mr. Wert is not here to openly discuss the issues presented. He is either afraid his two children, as he put it, will google their Daddy or he states he has no information about that item. The presence of a paid Bakker spin master also opens up this forum to more of those softball questions being lobbed at him by his own people. When Mr. Wert instructed Zach and the juvies to "knock it off" that lasted about 48 hours and now they are back again. Neither he, nor Bakker, can control their own people. How in God's name does Bakker now think he can control this forum?

It is readily apparent Mr. Wert has a job to protect and he will do everything in his power to protect it--especially after being unemployed for a year before finding this new job just days ago. Should Mr. Wert admit his boss has severe problems, such as being a closeted homosexual, a seller of "snake oil," or any one of hundreds of other topics freely discussed in this forum, Mr. Wert would very quickly find himself in the unemployment line once again.

For the above reasons, I will no longer be engaging Mr. Wert in an ongoing discussion of Jim Bakker. It would serve no constructive purpose except to spin the topic of conversation around to one that places his boss in a wholesome light. I will, therefore, no longer be asking Mr. Wert anything. If asked anything by him, let the record reflect I will not be responding.

I mean no disrespect to Mr. Wert in any way. In fact, I wish him well in his new position. The vested interest Mr. Wert has when coming on this blog is completely and totally different than the interests of the rest of us non-paid bloggers. As mentioned before, it presents a "literary bias" to accept money prior to coming here which makes the communication as fake as the tears which never stream down the conniving frog's face.

A lot of you may remember the time we spent talking about the "Kevin's House" debacle and how Bakker raised money without having a clue as to what he was doing with the building project. Today, we now see funds raised for a quarter of a million dollar road in which Jim, with fake tears in his eyes, said Lori told him to build for the preggo girls and now... suddenly...guess what? The road leads to nowhere! That is exactly where dealing with a paid spin master will lead both me and you. If someone else here wants to try to unspin Jason that is your option. I will not be doing so.

Thanks everyone, and remember to file your complaints by using the links Ron has provided under the frog's picture above.

Thank-you, in advance, Mr. Wert, for understanding my position and I do sincerely wish you the best in your new endeavors at the compound.

Have a great day everyone!

SusanD said...

On today’s show Jimbo unveiled his “I care II” for only a thousand dollars you get 2 cheap looking lambs. They are coming on a boat, so I am guessing he is getting them from overseas lol On a live taping Jim stated he got access to his old PTL library of film, wonder how much he paid to get access?

ztdrew78 said...

Mr. wert is divorced because he is such a sexual deviant,his wife got fed up and they split because he wont work or stop touching himself to porn. no self respecting church would hire him because he is a divorced shamed pervert, and his refusal to work a regular job (doesnt want to get off of the computer chair)led him to the perfect place=moronside where he can get away with whatever in the bath house and sit on his ass while collecting a paycheck.

kids would have liked this more said...

Next time Bakker, Lori and Grandma are in Graduation gowns they should do that old 3 Stooges skit. You know the "Swinging the Alphabet" number; "B a Bay, B a Bee, B i Bickiby, B o Bo". Now that would have been entertainment. Not this bunch of morons dancing around like savages. They blew that opportunity, big time.

Mondo De La Vega said...

Maybe you should come to Morningside and see it for yourself. You might be surprised, god bless.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

You know something moronside zombie, the only thing Mondo De La Vega can do is teach zombies how to take down a 7-11 and rob it of it's food when the end of the world happens. I would not be surprised at all and I don't need a blessing from your frog god zombie.

Here's some day old Dino cake.

Mondo De La Vega said...

I bet you wouldn't say that to my face, you coward.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

First off a coward (you) would hide under the falsehood of someone else's name. Grow up by the way.

Secondly, yes I would say it to your face and hand you a slice of day old Dino cake as well.

Anonymous said...

Mondo, if you mess with the Kool-aid-Kid you're messing with one tough monkey. Be aware.

Anonymous said...

I read these comments daily but I don't post messages very often. I do have a couple of observations:

1. The Bakker supporters come here and say there are only a handful of people posting. Bullfeathers!! There have probably been hundreds of people posting who remain anonymous by identity (like me).

2. Joe C. I'm an old crippled guy and I've been around the horn more than a few times. What is your trip, man? Why did you come here in the first place? What are you after here? Why do you "flirt" with the people who read this blog?

Your posts remind me of some of the girls of my youth (when I drove a Corvair convertible). They'd flirt with you and hint about having a crush on you. Then, when you'd ask them out for a date, they'd look shocked and say, "Oh, you're being so FORWARD!"

Come clean, Joe C. Tell us the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Quit flirting with us like a school girl.

Last but not least: Bakker backers. I am disabled and not able to get around very much so I visit a lot of blogs and websites. I have NEVER seen as much action on any other blog as much as I've seen here.

So, what does that tell you about your fearless leader and his reputation?

Tanya said...

Show 2 of John Kilpatrick (who said he watches the Jim Bakker show "fairly regularly," "when I can" - nice and vague) had an interesting way to spin Jim Bakker's time in prison.

Kilpatrick said that if you want to see a person's future, you have to see their past, and that the past is a mirror to the future.

Many of us in these comments have said the same thing - someone also posted recently that past behaviour remains relevant if the person does not change their behaviour.

But Kilpatrick took Jim Bakker's prison time in an entirely different direction - said it was a "nursing home" (with a wink wink, nudge nudge) and that "nursing home" was a way for God to give Jim Bakker a big platform in these End of Days. And also, that many of the apostles were put in the "nursing homes" of their times.

Brother Dortch, it reminded me of your post where you talked about the "good old boy" system, of how one person can make another person a pastor, etc.

Kilpatrick even said he has bought foodbuckets himself - that clip has already made it into the rotation of commercials.

Flip said...

To the above: It tells me Bakker is one tough monkey. I agree with you though, Joe C. should call a spade a spade and knock off the tap dance. He started a lot of bull shit and then sit backs and giggles. Like the old lady who hit the lottery and remained anon. cause she thought it was fun and cute.

I can dig it said...

Jim Kilpatrick was tripping big time when he experienced that what he described. It was somethings right out of the movie "Altered States", a bending of reality. They must of got the mushrooms all mixed up in one of them "Foodbuckets".

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Look out Joe C! Flip is one tough monkey. ;)

Be aware.

Don't mess with Flip.

Anonymous said...

I wonder if that really was Mondo who went noise to noise with KaK? They sure monitor this site for intelligence, the old motto of "know thy enemy".

SusanD said...

On today’s live show admitted that his generator won’t power a lot maybe a light in your bedroom, or maybe some medical equipment you need. I would not trust anything I bought from Jim Bakker to power medical if I needed it in an emergency! lol Plus Jimbo is coming out with a new food line Ugh

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Anon@132pm

It was likely you that was "Mondo" zombie. Nice try.

My moto is "know thy jim bakker zombies".

lol

Oh hell ... here's two slices of Dino cake. One for you and the other for Flip.

Anonymous said...

Poor Kool-aid Kid, most likely pooped his pants in that encounter. Don't let them intimidate you kid!

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Anon@141pm

Interesting to note that you wondered if it was really "Mondo" who went nose to nose with "KaK" but never questioned if it was really KaK. Loaded question that begs anyone with a shred of intelligence to question you bakker zombie.

A new moto for you.

"Know that you are an zombie idiot"

Anonymous said...

On February 22, 2011 Mondo used his public Twitter account, mondo18st, to contact a former porno queen, Kim Kardashian, and told her he thinks she is "sexy". When that fact was released on this blog the account was then closed. Mondo is not very smart and is at Bakker's organization for reasons other than his brains.

Anonymous said...

Kim was no "porno" queen. You lie!

Jethra said...

Maybe both Mondo and KAK were one in the same: Kool-aid-Kid. Kool-aid-Kid trying to bolster his ego. i'm just saying "maybe".

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Anon@157pm, Flip, ect

You know something zombie, you are probably the most stupid one I have encountered on the Bucket and I have seen alot.

Boring.........

lol

Anonymous said...

You need to practice spelling, no such word as alot, never was, it's "a lot". I'm tired of correcting you!

Anonymous said...

Wondering how much that poster got paid for posting that correction? LOL LOL LOL LOL !!!!!!

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Thanks Flip, Anon , Mondo and Jethra

Oh I have something for you too ... quess?

Too late ... you spell "nose" funny. Take a look.

"I wonder if that really was Mondo who went noise to noise with KaK?"


LOL LOL LOL LOL

See, I can make "alot" of jokes on you too.

Uncle Henry said...

To the anonymous person that posted this:

Joe C. I'm an old crippled guy and I've been around the horn more than a few times. What is your trip, man? Why did you come here in the first place? What are you after here? Why do you "flirt" with the people who read this blog?

Your posts remind me of some of the girls of my youth (when I drove a Corvair convertible). They'd flirt with you and hint about having a crush on you. Then, when you'd ask them out for a date, they'd look shocked and say, "Oh, you're being so FORWARD!"

Come clean, Joe C. Tell us the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Quit flirting with us like a school girl.

Response: Joe C. had good intentions at the beginning and we all were behind him as he was going to fight the noisy construction going on around his peaceful retreat. He started a petition and even had meetings with Jim and his cronies. We asked him for details of the meetings but he become silent because he did what any of you would do and accepted some hush money to go away. Jim has now hired a team of lawyers to be able to restart the construction and Joe C. is wearing his pink Lori lamb bracelet and packing his bags to move out of the area with the payola in hand.

Anonymous said...

Ergo! The poster who signed "anonymous" and used the inproper word "alot" in his text, must have been the Kool- aid -Kid. about 500X. lol. lol

Anonymous said...

@2:12pm

That was one stupid post. Don't you have something better to do, like mop up the bath house, or something? Geeeeezzz!

Kool-Aid Kid said...

There is one thing that we can probably agree on bakker zombie and that is that you (aka mondo, misc anons, jethra and flip) and myself (Kool-Aid Kid) are poor spellers.

LOL

LOL

LOL

Anonymous said...

Maybe Joe C. wears the "Pink bracelet" through his noise. Let's Lori lead him around.

Anonymous said...

Could it be that Mondo, Zach, Uncle Henry & Jason Wert were all hired to do "God's work" on Jimbo? Just sayin...

Anonymous said...

Well, KaK, you don't use 'an' before a 'z' either, genius.

"Know that you are an zombie idiot"

Anonymous said...

@2:25 2nd, And Joe C. Just adding.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

LOL

Good one zombie.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

LOL LOL LOL LOL

Holy crap!!!

You're the "Run-on Sentence Zombie"

"Well, KaK, you don't use 'an' before a 'z' either, genius"

You are correct, you are by far more intelligent than i am, hey how are things at the compound, do want some cake, you are funny.

Tabitha said...

Kool-aid-kid is funny! Lol.

Anonymous said...

Nice one zombie, now clean that shit out of your hair and face. It looks disgusting~LOL LOL LOL LOL

Anonymous said...

I post anonymously and I've been accused, at one point or another, of being both a troll and a zombie!

Anonymous said...

I'm glad you go both ways...so does Jim!

LOL

LOL

LOL

LOL

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Soory to hear that Anon@245pm

In some cases it's friendly fire. Suck it up and stay here.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, I'm soory too.

But not as soory as KaK.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

I won't deny it. I'm a poor speler.

lol

Craig said...

Wow. The Generator NOW kids have a lot of time on their hands. No posts from Darth Wert to tell them how stupid they look.
Kool Aid Kid must be exhausted from beating back the zombies. Lol.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Craig,

Lots of opportunities for good laughs on both sides today.

Anonymous said...

Kool Aid Kid for Morningside babysitter!

LOL LOL LOL LOL !!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Just when I start to really like KaK, he comes out with stuff so bad I don't like him... again.

KaK for MAYOR!

Anonymous said...

Me too!

Never had that trouble with Craig.

Anonymous said...

The problem lies with the adults, the kids are being taken for a ride. I don't fault them much. You call it the "Pied Piper" syndrome. Comes from the story of Pied Piper of Hamlin Town, or from the Hitler Jugen. Tragedy

Kool-Aid Kid said...

I think Darth Wert's lightsaber has gone limp.

;(

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