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Saturday, March 24, 2012

Jim Bakker scribbles on Zach, talks junk with Bill Whaley part 3

Gord Pedersen: 'How does that Silver Sol shit work again?'
This is the final post for this episode. If you haven't already read the first part, please click here for part 1 of Jim Bakker scribbles on Zach, talks junk with Bill Whaley.

I wasn't aware that Dr Gordon Pedersen was the man behind Silver Sol, but he's the one in the commercial so now he owns it in my book. He tells us some gobbledy-gook about his miracle tonic, explaining that the particles of silver are so tiny that they can 'enter a red blood cell'. He says this is good because there's nothing to 'irritate or agitate', and that the particles of silver are just there to 'kill the germs'. I haven't been following the Silver Sol scene, but this sounds very, very stupid to me. Why would anyone voluntarily ingest something that is going to enter their blood cells and 'kill the germs'? How does silver know the difference between a germ and a blood cell? This sounds like an experiment the Japanese would do on Allied POWs to see how long they'd survive. Why would anyone even waste their time with this? It's so stupid it's laughable.

This is what happens when you follow Jim Bakker's advice
I did a little looking on this Dr Gordon Pedersen. Don't let the white lab coat fool you, because Gordon Pedersen is not a medical doctor. He has a PhD from a toxicology program which sounds promising, but in this press release he's billed as the “Anti-Aging Master Formulator” which causes my quack-alert siren to whoop loudly inside my head. I don't feel very comfortable here, Mr Pedersen. Didn't this silver stuff turn some guy's skin blue like a smurf not too long ago? I think I'll pass on your miracle tonic this time around. My body already does a good enough job 'killing the germs' and you know what they say: If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I'll tell you what though: When I'm on my deathbed, I'll take a swig and see if it does anything for me. Does it cure dying?

Jim Bakker's Blue Skin Ointment w/ bonus Amoeba Pot, $88
Zach announces a Silver Sol package for $600, then Sasha announces a case of 50 for $900. These packages come with Neti Pots. Why hasn't Jim told us the scary stories involving Neti Pots and brain-eating amoebas? Hasn't he heard about the people who have died after using them? It's strange to think that nobody on that stage has heard about the Neti Pot amoebas, and it makes me wonder if Jim's hiding the truth a little bit there so as not to cut into his own product sales. Blue skin coloring and brain-eating amoebas...that's two strikes against this Silver Sol package already. Yet Jim Bakker is still selling it with no mention at all about these serious risks? Doesn't sound very honest to me, Pastor Bakker.

Lori says "Wow!" while Jim gulps air
We're out of the commercial and back to the Junk Man Show with Jim Bakker. Jim asks a question designed to lead Whaley into a product demonstration, but the Junk Man's having none of it. These are direct quotes:
Jim:I've read that you help street people stay warm...One of the biggest problems people are going to have is when the power goes out. How do you keep from freezing?”
Junk Man:Let's go to the street first.”
Jim:Okay.
Jim just has to sit there and take it. He's on the couch, leaning on his knee and staring at Whaley, but he's powerless to do anything. The old coot just keeps going on. For her part, Lori loves listening to this guy. She turns to the camera and mouths the word 'Wow!' as Whaley talks.

Whaley grabs his papers as Jim dreams of a happy place
Uh oh, Whaley just stepped over into la-la land. Now he's talking governmental conspiracy against the poor, the homeless, and the 'working people'. He's using the fingers on his hands to count off each targeted group. Jim, you need to step in and stop this now. A man uncovering conspiracy at this level is a man that the government will do everything to silence. The FBI probably has a file as a thick as a book on this Whaley character, hell there's probably agents in your audience right now keeping tabs on him. You don't need this kind of heat Jim, you don't need it!


The Junk Kook spices things up with conspiracy talk
Whaley has now reached for a stack of papers to expose a Senate Bill designed, according to the Junk Kook, to outlaw people from growing gardens. Lori's little mind has been blown by this conspiracy. We hear her off-camera saying, "Unbelievable. Unbelievable". With his stack of papers in one hand, Whaley employs use of his other hand to count off even more targeted groups. He's talking farming, saying something about us controlling the food. He then says, 'Guess who else we control?' Then bam, an edit arrives just in time. Just in time to save Whaley's life, and possibly everyone at Morningside. Whatever information he had was bound to uncover conspiracy at the highest levels of government. They will stop at nothing, Bill, nothing. Now I understand why you live 'off the grid'.

The Junk Kook's audio was cut. What secrets did he expose?
The edit was abrupt, and now it goes straight to Bakker. Jim feeds into Whaley's conspiracy a little bit, talking about some weird government crackdown on an Amish farmer selling raw milk. The camera shows Whaley with a smirk on his face while he points to his papers and speaks, but there's no sound because it's an edit job. Wow, I wonder how long he droned on for before the kids cut him off in the editing room? How much more conspiracy is lying on the Jim Bakker Show cutting room floor? Maybe Jim Bakker himself is part of the conspiracy to silence the Junk Kook...you ever think of that one, Bill?

Finally, Bakker has taken back a little control. He moves from the Amish farmer straight into Lori's House, telling us that he's being called 'evil' for building a home to save babies. No Jim, that's not why you are called evil. You are called evil because you prey on the elderly and mentally-incompetent, earning their trust specifically so you can take their money. You are called evil not because you are building a home to save babies, Jim, but because you lie about why people call you evil.

Bakker: 'Oh my God, I've invited a lunatic onto my show.'
Jim turns back to Bill and pleads with him, “We can't get political. They'll put me away, Bill.” That's Jim's way of saying, 'Knock off the soapbox shit and get to the trinkets'. Bakker asks the Junk Kook how we can stay warm if the power grid goes down. Hey Bill, I'll take this one for you. Jim, the secret is layers. Thermals, jackets, whatever you have in the closet. You know the way you're dressed when you go outside in the cold? Just dress like that inside. Add a blanket if you need to. Burn some wood in a fireplace, maybe even roast some marshmallows! Next question please.


Whaley pouts after Jim shoots down his conspiracy theory
The Junk Kook was still thumbing the pages of his conspiracy documents when Jim told him to knock it off. I'm pretty sure he's pissed off now because he's acting like a bratty child who was just told to sit still at a Christmas party. He's back to flopping his hands up and down on the arms of his chair, and he has a little smirk on his face. Bill Whaley, a sixty-something man who once flew choppers in Vietnam, is pouting.

The Junk Kook doesn't like being silenced. Without neighbors, he pretty much lives in silence all the time save for his dumpster divin' wife. Deep down inside, I think what Bill Whaley wants are friends, people to talk to and people to listen. Unfortunately, years of living like a mountain man have made him strange. Picking through garbage is strange. Dreaming up conspiracy is strange. If he were a kid, he could break out of that strangeness bubble and live normally like everyone else. But the Junk Kook is already into his sixties. There's no changing a man who's had that much time to become weird. So, the Junk Kook's inner desire for friendship will never be satisfied unless he finds a friend who is also strange. And that'll just make him weirder.

Bill Whaley angrily snatches bag off table
Since the Junk Kook is pouting, he didn't accept Jim's first invitation to tell us all how to keep warm. Now Jim has to really prod him into action. Jim chooses his words carefully, saying “You have so many things, I don't know which ones you want to go to first. Do you want me to pick or do you want to tell me?” That bratty child who was told to sit down is now being told to pick a present and open it while everyone watches. Whaley angrily snatches an empty plastic bread bag off the table. This guy is cracking me up, he's really pissed off that Jim told him to stop with the conspiracy crap. He hoists the bag over his head and, in a condescending tone, asks everyone on stage what they would do with it. He has such a look of disdain on his face as he asks this, he's just dying to point his finger at everyone on stage and call them dummies.

Bill Whaley: 'I'm holding gasoline in my hand you dummies.'
After a pause, Bakker says he would throw the bag away. Kevin follows the leader and says he would throw it away too. At this point, I think they want to throw Bill Whaley away with the bag too. The Junk Kook looks down his nose at us and says, “I'm holding gasoline in my hand.” Kevin Shorey feigns shock at this announcement, and Whaley reiterates that the plastic bag can be converted to gasoline. He once again holds his prized plastic bag up, and then we get a very long, awkward pause. I thought my DVR froze, but nope that's just the deafening sound of silence on stage. Whaley has completely killed any amount of viewer interest in him with his pouting act, and now he's going nuts with the bread bag. Everyone, and I mean every single person on that stage, is on the defensive with him. They've all now realized that he's a lunatic.

Whaley's 'latex glove': The bane of canines everywhere.
The plastic bag is not just gasoline, Whaley tells us. It's also a latex glove that can be used to pick up dog 'droppings'. I'm very suspicious of this statement, Bill. Out in my neck of the woods, we don't associate latex gloves with dog crap. We associate them with people crap, and more specifically, the holes where the people crap comes from. Are you bread-bagging your hands and giving rectal examinations out there in 'off-the-grid' land? And who are you examining? There are exactly two people in those woods where you live, plus one unlucky dog. Please don't tell me you're...I just...don't you dare hurt that dog, Bill.

Bill Whaley's dog being inspected for worms
Whaley goes on about the multi-use bread bag. He uses it to store butchered chickens in the freezer, and god knows what else. He also puts his skid-marked underwear, ratty t-shirts and mismatched socks in the bag so they don't get wet. What about bread, Bill, do you ever put bread in the bag?

Bill wears the bags on his feet in the wintertime. He says he puts them on his feet, then puts socks over them to keep his feet warm. You're a military man, Bill. Isn't that a recipe for trench foot? Or do you use the water generated by your sweaty, suffocating feet for brushing your teeth?

Whaley ends his childish tirade by asking a question. With his prized bag once again held up with both hands and a voice filled with utter contempt, he turns to Jim and Lori and asks, “Why would I throw it away?” As he asks, he jingles the bag ends so that the plastic makes noise.

Jim talks Whaley down off the ledge as Lori daydreams
Jim got a lot more than he bargained for with this guest. Jim is sweating, oh man is he sweating. He moves to a new question, and as he poses it he sounds like a psychiatrist trying to keep a wild-eyed mental patient from setting himself on fire.

Bakker is really shaken. He says, “Bill, what you're telling us is we can use the things around us to survive. We don't have to lay down and die.” Whaley is folding the plastic bag into a neat square as Jim speaks. Bakker looks to the audience for applause and gets it, and then we see Jim with a look of worry on his face as he gulps down a mouthful of air. Disaster averted, but what's up next?

Bill Whaley loves knowing more about garbage than we do
Whaley has lightened up now. The tension was cut by the applause, and now Bill Whaley feels respected again. He grabs another piece of garbage, an empty spaghetti sauce jar. Actually, I wouldn't classify this one as garbage if you have liquids you want to store. It depends on the liquid, of course. I might use it for pickled eggs, while the Junk Kook might use it for urine bombs. Let's see.

God, Whaley is so obnoxious. He has a way of speaking that is demeaning to all around him. Lori picks up on it subconsciously, because now she's referring to him as 'sir'. He's an asshole without justification. He tells all of us dummies that we can use the sauce jar as a measuring cup. He also says that we can use it to serve drinks in. He suggests giving it to children to drink from, so if they break it they “don't break your good stuff.” You know what I would use your glass jar for, Bill? A baseball. I would tee that sucker right up, then shatter it into a million unusable pieces with a baseball bat. Oh hey, give me that bread bag too, it'll make a great noise maker. Just blow it up full of air, hold the open side closed, then clap your hands together quickly. Pop!

A frozen Jim Bakker tries to figure a way out of this debacle
Jim is frozen solid on the couch. Lori reacts well to assholes, she likes that sort of leadership, but Jim doesn't. He's not quite sure what to do here.

Now the Junk Kook grabs a 2-liter bottle that he chopped in half. It's not chopped well, it looks like he hacked it in half with a butter knife or clipped it down with nail clippers. I also can't rule out the possibility that he had his wife bite through it. Whaley is finding his groove now. He leans back in the chair and asks, “What can you do with a 2-liter bottle?” See that's the problem, Bill, it's the way you introduce your items. Stop asking us what we can do with your garbage and just show us instead.

Plastic bottle that Whaley's wife bit in half
You ask us questions that you think we can't answer in order to make us feel small. But it's not that we can't answer them, it's that we don't really care. You deal in garbage, the stuff I toss out with a smile on my face. Whenever I have to go back into my garbage to find something that was thrown out accidentally, I don't smile. I grimace and I hold my nose, and sometimes I even ask my wife for help because it's so disgusting to me. When you pose questions designed to make people feel dumb for not knowing the ins-and-outs of the garbage heap, you fail in your quest for friendship. Normal people don't like that.

From the 2-liter bottle, Whaley says he can make a water filter, ice holder, and funnel. Bakker breaks free from his daze and jumps on the funnel idea. Jim grabs the funnel from the table and tells us how we could use it to add gas to our cars if we needed to. Does Jim not know that gas cans come with spouts? I'll go one further: Does Jim not know that funnels can be purchased for a couple dollars at Home Depot? With the dollar Jim gave Lori earlier in the show, they're already halfway down the road to funnel ownership. See how easy that is, Jim?

Papa Whaley took little Jimmy's funnel toy away from him
Whaley isn't having any of Jim's gas-can funnel crap. He takes the funnel away from Bakker like a parent taking scissors from a toddler and completely ignores Jim's suggestion. I get the feeling that the Junk Man is thinking, 'Thanks for humoring us buddy, but let's leave the survival stuff to the experts.' Jim was still talking as Whaley took the funnel back from him, he even looked to his audience for support while stammering out, “Isn't that a good..good idea?” I hate to say it, but I'm actually starting to pull for Bakker in this fight. Whaley's a total jackass and needs to be put in his place. If Bill were an ass because he doesn't like Bakker, I'd be on his side. He isn't though. Bill Whaley's an ass because Bill Whaley's an ass.

"...teach a man to fish, feed him for a lifetime."
Ugh, the Junk Man tells us something about poking holes in the bottle, stitching it with twine, and adding bread crumbs to make a 'minnow catcher' for fishing. What happened to you out there in that Vietnamese jungle, Bill? What did you see that's got you so spooked? You're back home in America now, Bill. You don't need to do this, we are friendlies and you are safe. You can go to the store and buy bait from an honest man who is happy to sell to you. Hell, you can even skip the bait and just buy a fish! Don't worry, you will not encounter any VC here. No land mines, no crushed glass in your Pepsi. Just relax sir and calm down. Now please tell me: Are you carrying any knives or other weapons on your person right now?

'Wait 'till the Feds get a load of my urine bombs, muhahaha!'
Whaley is still obsessing over the bottle. He's showing us how he can add one of his black-painted glass bottles inside the larger plastic bottle, fill one of the two with soup (I don't know which), and cook the soup outside in the sun. As he's configuring this thing, it's making all kinds of annoying ripping and tearing noises as he tries to fit everything together. Why Bill? Why would I waste my time? What you are showing us is so unimportant, it really is. If I had a choice between doing all that menial crap to sun-cook my soup, or just eating cold soup...I'll eat cold soup, Bill. Really, I would.
[Bill Whaley] [showing me how to configure the soup cooker] "So you just take this piece here and add this part...wait, hold on, I think I'm missing something."
[Ron] [eyes glossing over] "It's okay Bill, I don't need all that stuff. I'll just eat it cold."
[Bill Whaley] [shock bordering on offense] "Cold soup? Who wants to eat cold soup!? Just gimme a second, there's a piece missing. We'll get your soup cooking in no time!"
[Ron] [looks at watch] "Bill, it's...it's fine. Can I have my soup back please?
[Bill Whaley] [red-faced and aggressive] "No you cannot have your soup back please, I haven't shown you how to heat it yet! Just give me a second."
[Ron] "These aren't seconds anymore, these are minutes now and I'm hungry."

Bill growls threateningly.

[Ron] [laughing] "Why are you getting so upset?"
[Bill Whaley] [screaming] "I'm not upset!"

Bill Whaley rubs his 40-grit palms together
Jim refers to Whaley's soup-warming contraption as a 'solar cooker'. I'm not sure that 'cooker' is the right word as I don't think anyone will be sizzling bacon in it anytime soon, but whatever. It gets hot, wow. Bill also says we can take a sand-filled soda can, paint it black, then set it in the sun to make a hand warmer. Ahhh, Bill knows just how to make things nice and cozy on those crisp Ozark mornin's. Bill really lays it on us thick with the hand warmer, even rubbing his hands together as he describes it. The sound his hands make when rubbed together are like sandpaper on a wood deck. Don't let the dumpy looks fool you, because the Junk Man isn't all about business: He's pleasure too.

The Junk Kook snaps rubber band off yet more garbage
Jim asks Bill what else he has for show-and-tell. I hope this is over soon because my Bill Whaley Junk-O-Meter is running into the red zone. I'm very near to experiencing a junk overdose, and I'm considering buying a furnace for all of my garbage to prevent it from falling into the hands of the other Bill Whaleys of the world.

Bill asks one of the Master's Media kids to pass him a piece of garbage that's out of reach. It's yet another crinkly piece of plastic. If this guy lived next door to me, he would drive me bonkers. I recycle. I have plastic and glass bottles wrapped up in bags on the side of my house, not stacked, just lying out there nice and clean, awaiting the few times each year when I have time to unload it all at the recycling center. If Bill lived next door, I just know that guy would be breaking my balls every couple weeks or so, asking if he could have my plastic. I'd have to tell him no, but then I'd realize that he's looking at my house and probably rooting through my garbage at night when I'm sleeping. I'd be powerless to stop him. It would drive me nuts.

The Junk Tornado unwraps loudly while Lori tries to speak
Whatever Whaley's next piece of garbage is, he has it encased in a plastic bag. Is that to keep it clean? He snaps off two rubber bands from the bag and starts unraveling the treasure inside. Meanwhile, Lori is talking, or at least trying to talk. She's saying something about the Master's Media kids, but Bill keeps driving on with his unpacking. He's like a Junk Tornado: All we see and hear is the crinkling of plastic, rubber bands snapping, and cups or pieces of cups flying about. Whaley's in his zone now, he has no time for Lori's child's play and small talk. Lori's voice trails off as she completes her sentence and stares at Bill, then we all listen and watch for a few awkward seconds as the Junk Tornado finishes unpacking. The ball is back in Whaley's court now.

Bill Whaley struggling to snug his water filter down tight
"This is a coffee creamer bottle. I just cut the bottom off of it." Whaley's face is glowing, he loves this stuff. "I went down to Walmart for $7 and bought me one of those Brita pitcher filters." Bill then drops one of those 'Brita pitcher filters' into his creamer bottle. It's a near perfect fit. Bill pulls down hard on the other end of the filter, you can see the strain on his face as he snugs the filter into the plastic bottle and seats it. He holds it up for us to see and declares proudly, "Now I got a water filter that'll filter 40 gallons of water anywhere I want to go with it." Bill, my good man...what you call a water filter, I call a smoking gun. Did you know that Jim Bakker actually sells expensive Seychelle water filters for over 3 times the price you just mentioned? In fact, the chair your sitting in was probably still warm from Dr Seychelle's last visit! Don't know who Dr Seychelle is, Bill? Well let me describe him for you, you might like him!

Detective Bill Whaley holds the smoking gun for all to see
First off, Dr Seychelle is not really a doctor at all, but Jim insists on calling him one and the fake doctor doesn't seem to mind. His real name is Carl Palmer. He has a face full of plastic surgery, is the CEO of a multi-million dollar company, and has what might be called a 'trophy wife' who operates as a 'Holistic Dental Hygienist'. That sound like your kinda' people, Bill? Or can I just call you 'Dr Whaley'...it'll make people trust you more!

You want conspiracy, Bill, well you just got one. A real one this time. You are now in competition with the fake Dr Seychelle and his froggy little buddy, Jim Bakker. You are on a show whose sole intent is to sell product. You, Bill, with all your quirks, are still at heart trying to help people. If you thought that's what Jim Bakker was about, you've made a mistake. The Jim Bakker Show is designed for product-sales, not people-helping. Showing people how to make a cheap water filter is a noble effort on your part, but in Jim's calculating mind, why would he give people something for free when he can charge them for it instead?

Jim got away from the $7 water filter real quick
Jim's subdued response to Bill's water filter: "Oh my lamb." Bakker had no idea this was going to happen and I can see the wheels turning in his mind, trying to figure out how to brush this under the rug as fast as possible without people catching on. We get one more sentence from Bill before edit: "That's how simple it is to have good clean water." Jim says, haltingly, "It really is. What's next?" Lori is next to Jim with a smile plastered on her face, but I can see her little mind chugging along as well. I'm pretty sure she caught on to the water filter fiasco too, but hell for all I know she's daydreaming about sex and crack-pipes. You never really know with Lori...one minute she's thinking about abortion, the next minute she's thinking about balloons.

Biker Chick Max tries to remember how much Jim's filters cost
As I said, a heavy edit took place here. The next time we see Bill he's snapping a rubber band back onto the plastic-covered water filter set that took him so long to unwrap earlier. No statement on this, Pastor Bakker? Shouldn't you be suggesting to us all that we save our money on pricey Seychelle filters and just build Dr Whaley's $7 filters instead?

We're back to Jim's first question about how to keep people warm, and Bakker once again refers to homeless people as 'street people'. Whaley grabs a large tin can and starts pulling metal objects out of it while Jim is still talking. Clank, clink, clunk. I know you're off the grid Bill, but I think someone is eventually going to find you out there because of all the noise you make. Do you get a lot of hungry bears out your way?

Bill Whaley removes small metal can from large metal can
The Junk Man is glowing again. I get the feeling he could talk junk, garbage and scavenging all day and night, then continuing on into the morning. Bill Whaley fails among men, but at the garbage heap he reigns supreme. Bill grabs Jim's sharpie, the same one used to write on Zach's forehead, and draws a square on the tin can. He tells us that we can cut out the square of tin, bend it over a stick, and 'put a nail through it' to make a frying pan. I have to say, when Bil grabbed the Zach sharpie and started drawing I was expecting a little more from him then a piece of tin attached to a stick. Let's throw that one out Bill, it's sort of lame. Even a gorilla could figure that one out. And by gorilla, I mean Zach Drew.

'Scuse me brother, any sausage cans to spare?
If we want to make a heater instead, Bill tells us to add a couple inches of dirt or sand to the tin can. Then we take a Vienna Sausage tin can, add wax and some pipe cleaners to make a candle. Bill, this one's even more lame. Where am I going to find an empty Vienna Sausage can? Do I need to find a hobo in a train car and rifle through his plaid knapsack while he's passed out drunk? And if I already have wax, wouldn't I also already have a candle? Bill, did you know they make things called tealight candles that can be purchased for less than a twenty cents a piece? You need to get out more and stop handling so much garbage, I think all the toxic metals have started to turn your brain into pudding.

Bill's still driving on with his candle heater. He tells us to place the sausage-can candle into the big tin can, then take a "big 62 oz juice can", poke holes in it and place it over the top of this unwieldy contraption to make a tiny, ineffective heater. I wouldn't even know what a 62 oz juice can looks like, but Bill has the sucker memorized. You've been hanging around the garbage heap for far too long Bill. Here's a life tip: If you converse with more rodents each day than people, then you need a serious change of lifestyle. It's not healthy for your mind.

Jim asked the Junk Kook for his thoughts on the economy
Bakker wants some fear-mongering from Whaley to close the show with. Jim asks the Junk Kook, a man completely unqualified to give answers on, well, anything, if he thinks the dollar is going to 'totally collapse'. Whaley says that this year the 'financial institution' is going to hit everybody and it's going to hit us hard. Jim Bakker, of course, loves hearing the unqualified Bill Whaley predict economic disaster. He looks to the audience and says, "Now listen to what he's saying people. This is what I've been trying to warn you and warn you and warn you..."

I'll get by just fine without your plastic bread bag, Bill
Finally, the show winds down. Bakker asks Whaley to address the critics who call his gimmick stupid. Whaley tells us "your dollar's gettin' littler every day", and asks, "What happens when you can't buy this?" Bill, if I'm so stupid that I can't figure out how to stay warm with all the extra clothes in my closet, or how to crack open a can of Campbell's soup and eat it, then I guess I'll just die. That really sums it up for me, I'd rather lose out and die then spend my life living in fear of ridiculous things like roving gangs, dying of thirst, starving, or freezing to death. I'm not a settler on the frontier.

But let's be honest here: The scary world you describe is not going to happen in our lifetime. We don't live in Sudan, we live in America. Among other things, we have police, military, business, and multiple layers of government filled with fellow citizens who have a vested interest in keeping everything under control. The doom-speakers and fear-mongers like Jim Bakker know this too. That's why they take cold hard cash as payment for their products and speaking engagements. They prey on dimwits who've been watching too many scary movies. Think about it for a second: if Jim Bakker really thought the world was going to fall apart, wouldn't he be doing something to prevent it instead of catering to it?

How much did Jim Bakker pay for your integrity, Bill?
Bakker ends the show with one final pitch for his Wheat Buckets. The high hopes I had for Bill Whaley's integrity have now vanished, because Jim tells us that every $100 Wheat Bucket sold today comes with a free DVD of the Junk Kook in action. We see Bill sitting in his chair, twiddling his thumbs and smiling as if he just swallowed a canary. Bill must be thinking that he pulled a fast one over on Jim, but believe me Bill, the only one pulling a fast one in this relationship is Jim Bakker. You are a tadpole swimming with the largest toad in the swamp, and he's been swimming in this swamp for years.

The show ends, then we get a five-minute commercial for foodbuckets.

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Tanya said...

@3:23/3:29/3:36pm anon - it would be nice if you chose a screen name... I think it would be great if everyone chose a screen name, actually, but I know that won't happen. You are one of the more identifiable Bakker-supporter posters, though, and you continue to post over time, so... no harm intended by my comment, it would just be nice.

Now, as for who is qualified to teach at a college/university - it seems you may not have in-depth knowledge of how universities and colleges work, and how they choose their professors/instructors. I don't think that matters now - we've established that Jim Bakker is not running a real college.

My two cents.. said...

Joe C. made a decision and followed through. Where he messed up was letting emotion get in the way. If you go into a meeting hating a person, keeping it personal, the other side is going to sense that and act accordingly. Joe C. chose to follow the insight of KAK, Grandma Maxine, Craig, Tanya, Awaitingthesexscandal, that was his brain trust. The inevitable happened----sound defeat. Next time keep business in a business context, and you'll be better for it in the long run. Emotions, anger and business don't mix. It is like a Doctor operating on relative. Keep out the emotional aspect and you'll do fine. And don't put your trust in dumbells.

Tanya said...

@Craig - I think 3:11pm had never heard of the word "mores" - a dictionary may be a good thing for 3:11pm... just FYI, "mores" means morals, fundamental moral views, things along that line.

Tanya said...

@ my two cents: since you were at the meeting, and know what happened (you know that Joe C. let emotions get in the way, you know that he followed the 'insight' of several people who comment), maybe you could answer the Bakker-supporters who keep asking for details.

I don't need to know what happened, which is why I have not asked Joe C., but others seem to really want to know.

But you could clarify one thing for me - "sound defeat" - construction of Lori's House is on hold at the moment (unless you know otherwise)... Jim Bakker is saying on his show that he needs money for lawyers... what was the "sound defeat?"

Bucketina said...

I do not know of or believe that any Bucketeer would steal the screen name of anyone and post something that is meant to mislead the reader into believing that they are the actual blogger. I have seen a couple that have been written and as soon as you either read the screen name or the first sentence, you know it is a total spoof, unless you a moron and can't distinguish the difference. But, when someone comes on and blatantly takes the identity of the owner and moderater of his website and go on and on, even telling someone he sent them an email?! Where is the humor in that? That, I am sure that is when Ron knew the line was crossed and I don't blame him a bit. He has always been fair to all posters, never deleting comments and I think he was proud to do so. I think it wasn't an easy decision but onte that had to be made. He had to moderate. Identity theft is rampant everywhere but obviously he won't allow it on HIS blog. Go over to Bakker's blog and tell us how many Bucketeers have been allowed to post? Zilch. If you don't like the way Ron runs his website, you really don't have to come back you know.

Anonymous said...

Wrong Tanya.

I've never used anybody else's name and my comments were removed because he didn't like what I said.

Inbred bunch.

Mark my words said...

I think if Joe C. was successful it would have been all over the place. Victory is seldom quite, Bakker says this and that, he's another bullshit artist. He says he needs money for Lawyers because it cuts deep. He's an expert at charging up the emotions, it's in his blood, all preachers are, they take special courses in it. No sane Politician is going to strike down or work against Lori's House, imagine the headlines, "Senator throws Mothers out on street". It is too worthy a cause. Joe C. may not like it cause it wakes him up in the morning, but who other then him care about that. You may not likeit cause Bakker's name rides on it. Tough! Lori's house is going to be a reality. Face the fact.

Anonymous said...

Wrong Tanya. I've never posted under anyone else's name and he deleted mine because he didn't like what I said.

Inbred bunch.

Anonymous said...

Braindead Bucketina - fair my arse. How many inbred bucketeers have posted as Zach or Sasha or Nolan - and I don't buy it as a spoof... they weren't spoofing. They were trying to incite people who read this bullcrap 'blog' to think it really was them.

Fair? You are seriously whacked.

Joe C Blue eye, Missouri said...

I did not start any petition, nor did I sign one. I do not live within the City limits of Blue eye, therefore, I was not afforded a say in the appeal process, whether I wanted one or not.

It is obvious the posters saying that I did start the petition are not from Morningside. If they did in fact live there, or are a part of Morningside, they would know this.

My situation or issue with Morningside has been addressed. We were able to work things out in a neighborly fashion. I wonder what I will be accused of by saying this.

I just want out and have made that clear.

Craig said...

@3:36 zombie.
I never worked for jim and he never fired me. What part of my statement would be false?
I believe Brother Dortch made the same statement, I don't think you can prove them false either. Is your portrait of jim a highlighted display in your house?

Brother Dortch said...

Re: April 20, 2012 3:36 PM

You are making some ascertations based on no facts at all. In reality, you have no idea what gender I am, much less what my background is. You are trying to "Susan Ruiz me" off of this blog!

If you know my real name, and feel 100% confident based upon the no evidence you have and feel you are totally correct, go ahead AND PUT MY NAME OUT HERE FOR ALL TO SEE!

Now, while you're at it, genius, let me ask you something else.
In the article "Unholy Roller Coaster" written by Montgomery Brower and published in PEOPLE Magazine, the author quotes another author, Charles Shepard, winner of The Pulitzer Prize for his investigative work on Jim Bakker, and that article says, in part, the following:

"Shepard recounts that one aide who traveled often with Bakker, a married man, used to give Bakker back rubs that Bakker took as a prelude to masturbation. Though upset and disgusted by his role as Bakker's geisha, the employee explained that Bakker compensated him for this arousal service with an unlimited budget, travel and his assurance that this was God's work."

Now my questions to you are as follows:

1) Is this proper conduct for a "Pastor"?
2) Is this a correct use of church funds?
3) Would you want such an individual teaching your young children anything at all in an unaccredited "college"?
4) Is this so called "Pastor" fit to preach behind any pulpit at all?
5) Is this really what doing "God's work" is all about in the Christian faith?

Now, go ahead and take a deep breath, and let's here what you have to say regarding JIM BAKKER since he is the subject of this forum and not me! There are five questions here and I will anxiously awaiting what your answers to each of them are!

Have a great evening!

Jack said...

If you refer back to what was deleted yesterday the Administrator was more then fair. If I was the Admin. I would have deleted the comments by the "Old Blue eye Prospector", they merited deletion in addition to a few others. This administrator has a sense of "fair Play" there is no lying about him.

Anonymous said...

Cottage Cheese Craig - Dortsch never made the statement and he/she never will because he/she can't. Liar

Dancing Dortsch - you can't say it can you? You can't simply say "I never worked for Jim Bakker and he didn't fire me."

End of story. Guilty as charged.

Bitter/hate-filled fired 'blogger.'

Shaking my head said...

What say you Grandma Maxine? Joe C. obviously knows what he did and didn't do. Why you wanna start so much trouble for someone you don't even know? Shame on you!

Anonymous said...

Yeah, well while you're at it, Jack, look back over all the comments made by bucketeer inbreds using the names of the students from Morningside and count them.

Do you have your picture of "Ron" on your bedside table?

The misfit that started this 'blog' doesn't qualify as "fair" or an "administrator." What he is is a deeply troubled misfit gathering a ragtag bunch of misfits into a hate 'community.'

And to think they have the nerve to call Morningside people inbreds. Right.

I'd like to see the 'real' bucket bozos. I'll lay odds they all live in someone else's basement.

Craig said...

@4:47.
Brother Dortch has stated as much. Please assume your position in the bath house.

Brother Dortch said...

"...and thus ends the story of a true "Christian" (?) bunch who ran a tragically made widow out of their compound for being a "witch" and now claims to know exactly who I am but does not have the balls to put my name out there for everyone to see...and all of this happened without so much as one shred of credible evidence at all"

Joe C. is a fibber said...

Joe C. didnt you say you could hear and see the construction from your property? Now you claim you dont live in Blue Eye?

Does working things out in a neighborly fashion mean pocketing some cash from Jimbo to keep quiet?

Anyway, now you're able to get out of town with your pocket full of funny money and some Morningside souveniers (pink little lamb bracelet, stuffed lambs, and blanket)..

Joe C Blue eye, Missouri said...

Read my lips fibber.... not within the City limits.

Awaiting The Sex Scandal said...

OMG! Not only does it take very little brains to be called a "college teacher" at the compound, but it takes even less to live there and call yourself a follower of this con artist.

How about someone answering the 5 questions posed by Brother Dortch? Or, are we all going to have to wait as long as it will take for Jim to finally admit he is a homosexual and a thief?

Anonymous said...

Not even close, Cottage.

How about it Dortsch?

Did you work for Jim Bakker and did he fire you? A simple yes or no will do. It explains a lot of your inside information for sure.

Here, let me help you. Start typing "I did not...

Anonymous said...

Bro Dortch please refrain from using the Charles Shepard article references..its getting old!

Anonymous said...

Joe, if you lay down with dogs, you're going to get fleas. Involving yourself in this blog was a huge mistake. They aren't your friends, they aren't even your neighbors.

Blue Eye Zoning and permit man said...

Since Bakker has a blog, can we go right to the source and ask him questions? Sure would be quicker than wading through all the BS from the Jim Jones, oops, Bakker compound zombies.

Craig said...

Lol 5:09. Too afraid to put a name behind youraccusations? Brother Dortch dared you to name who s/he is. Man up and take the dare or shut up.

Truthseeker said...

Bro Dortch's real name is Richard aka Dick for short...

Cindy B. said...

Brother Dortch--I think you are going to have to wait till the rapture comes to get an answer to your questions. And something tells me you won't even get a straight answer then. You might as well find something else to do in the meantime! LOL !!!!

Craig said...

@5:28. Did you already know that or did you have google it. Lol.

Anonymous said...

Yeah Dortsch, like tell the truth.

Let's see now. If you worked for Bakker (and you did), didn't you have foreknowledge of his past accusations from all those sources you are now quoting against him?

Didn't you know that Jim Bakker was imprisoned and didn't you know that he had sexual sin in his background?

Didn't you know all that WHEN YOU WENT TO WORK FOR HIM?

Of course you did. But you saw it in a different light then, didn't you? You saw him as a redeemed man that had repented... you saw him as a celebrity and someone you were proud to work for, didn't you?

UNTIL HE FIRED YOUR SORRY BUTT...

HYPOCRITE!

Brother Dortch said...

Oh yes, Cindy B., I agree!

I think while I'm waiting for an answer to my five questions I'll pop open a paint bucket full of these salt-laiden, dehydrated, green beans and cook me up a bunch.

You know, those beans that are exactly like the ones Grandma picked and snapped!

Joe C's press agent said...

Stop picking on Joe C.! He did what any one of you would do. When presented with a gift, he took it and now he can retire to Florida!

Joe C's Press Agent said...

To all parties on this blog,

Concerning the posting above at

April 20, 2012 5:44 PM

It is not the posting of me, the Official Press Agent of Joe C and I had nothing to do with its posting here at all.

It is the work of the Morningside Crew who have now chosen to do the exact same thing today which they did yesterday, which is to making posts under other established bloggers names.

This information is true and I would like Ron to respectfully delete this posting since it is a fake. There will be no more postings from me for the rest of the day.

Sincerely,

The REAL Press Agent of Joe C who would not write something so stupid on this blog. I do not appreciate it and neither does client.

P.S.--Joe C for Mayor!

Anonymous said...

I only have 2 questions, Dortsch, and you can't manage to answer them.

Did you work for Jim Bakker?

Did he fire you?

Simple... don't even have to count to 3.

Craig said...

@5:40. Can't take the dare? You're just another anonymous commenter. You bakker backers are all the same. All the evidence points to your false prophet and yet you want to cast question onto others integrity. A sad bunch you are.

Buckets R Us said...

Anonymous said...
The Morningside posters are a complete embarrassment.
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They sure are! Go to YouTube and find all of impressivesasha videos and see how racist she is. Calling Brandon their "token" black student to saying that they will have a real black gospel choir. Also look at the "nightclub" videos...They sure don't look like good christian students to me!

Anonymous said...

Yeah right, Cottage.

Integrity and Bucketeers shouldn't be used in the same breath.

Ron said...

@ 404 & double-post @ 416

Let me explain something to you dumbass:

I don't get paid to write this blog or administrate it. I do it because I like exposing frauds. I feel that I'm making the world a better place by telling honest people that convicted con man Jim Bakker, the same guy who went to prison for fraud and thievery, is back on television doing the exact same thing he went to jail for in 1989.

I have a real job that pays me. That job doesn't consist of lying to people about my fake college, lying to people about hearing from God, or fake-crying to people to try and get them to send me money which will, ultimately, enrich me through property ownership and shady business dealings with other scoundrels who can't make an honest living.

With that covered, you'll understand that yesterday I didn't sit here for hours and hours poring over your camp's idiotic comments trying to split hairs on what was good or bad. Your camp decided to exploit the system by falsely posting under other peoples' identities, and I took care of it. I compared bad ID to good ID, I checked the little box, and I hit delete. If you accidentally got caught in that, oh well. Brother Dortch got caught accidentally too (see below).

Compare my handling of this blog's comments to Jim Bakker's handling on his own website. Does Jim accept criticism there? You whine and whine about this, yet the very man you're so enthralled with does not grant you the same posting privilege. Try it, go tell Jim Bakker that he's an 'inbred' on his blog and see if it posts. Better yet, go post under the name 'Jim Bakker' and see what happens.

I *could* moderate, 100%, the comments on my own blog, and at worst I would be doing exactly what your man-crush Bakker does. I do not do that because I believe in providing freedom of expression to ALL people on my blog. That includes you, 'anonymous'.

However, and this is a big however so put your inch-thick goggles on and read this carefully:
I do not allow people to commit what amounts to internet crime on my blog. I do not allow people to steal a poster's identity. I do not allow people to say things that are extreme. Did you happen to notice that I removed a comment yesterday which referred to Jason Wert in an extremely derogatory fashion? Do you remember my removal of a unverifiable post from a person also named Jason who claimed Bakker felt him up and then fired him after he spurned Jim's advances?

Up until yesterday when I cleaned up all the dookie that the Master's Media kids left in my house, I had removed more posts CRITICAL of Jim Bakker than those favoring him (and those were only removed because they were what a normal person would consider 'extreme'). In fact, to my recollection I have never removed a Bakker supporter's post because they had always played the game clean. And by clean, I mean they insulted me, called me a heathen, etc. But that's fine, I don't care about that. I have a thick skin, and it's even thicker when being insulted by people who are borderline illiterate.

Ron said...

As anyone with a functioning brain can see, all of our claims about Bakker's fake college have been corroborated by the comments made by Jim Bakker's Master's Media kids. Do you know why? Because I allowed them to speak, and speak they did. They spoke a whole hell of a lot, and they looked really bad when they did it. They got so bad, in fact, that they began stealing peoples' names and posting as them to try and confuse newcomers to this blog. That does not fly with me, 'anonymous'. As Craig pointed out earlier, they are more than welcome to parody a person's name. They are not welcome to steal a person's name with the sole intention of causing disarray. So much for Bakker's 'Prophets-In-Training', eh?

And while we're on the topic, let me say that 99& of website admins do not allow anonymous commentators, period. That's because it disrupts the conversation and makes it difficult to follow. Wow, 'anonymous', it seems that everywhere we turn, I come up roses!

I give you, 'anonymous', much more leeway than ANYONE would give you on a similar blog. I could, quite frankly, delete every single post from every single person who supports Bakker, and nobody who reads my blog would be able to tell the difference. I have complete, 100% control over my blog. Yet, because I am such a swell guy, I don't. That's because I have strong principles, something your man-crush Jim Bakker does not have, has never had, and will never had.

If the Mater's Media students decide to come back and engage in the same disruptive behavior, they will be silenced again. The only fair thing for me to do for ALL readers, for and against Bakker, is to keep things operating smoothly without disruption. They can engage in cake warfare all day with Kool-Aid Kid if they'd like, but they cannot post as Kool-Aid Kid. There is only one Kool-Aid Kid.

By the way, when you call us an 'inbred bunch' you're using a term that I coined for Bakker's retarded followers. Why not try coming up with something original? It's not funny when you say it.

Now, if you'd like to repost this huge, mind-blowing comment that seems to have gotten your panties all in a bunch, go for it. If you're not stealing someone's name, or doing something extreme, I won't care. If it was removed accidentally, well 'anonymous', I guess I'm sorry then. Is that okay with you?

Brother Dortch, I accidentally deleted one of your comments yesterday. I'm so inexperienced with deleting comments (because I rarely have the need) that I had checked yours and hit the button before I realized it was the wrong one. FYI, it was the one where you requested I delete the earlier spoofed post where someone stole your name.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Joe C For Mayor

Brother Dortch said...

Ron, that is quite OK! No problem at all.

The only problem seems to be the students, if you choose to call them that, are up to their old tricks again from yesterday and, in the event this blog needs switched to moderation, I completely and totally support you! Maybe after they are silenced, the poor babies will realize that what has been shared here with them is for their own benefit as they will soon learn when they leave the compound and go out into the real world--WITHOUT a job in media!!!

Craig said...

@6:04 . "Afraid Zombie "
Integrity, responsibility, mores, and ethics are all something you should be schooled in. Since bakker's fake media college teaches absolutely nothing except how to load trucks and take out the trash, I'll understand your ignorance. You're welcome and please post again.

Brother Dortch said...

To any and all Bakker supporters on this forum tonight:

I have five questions posted above which also concern integrity, responsibility, mores, and ethics, and I would love it if just one of you could sit down and address these questions in an intelligent manner and show the rest of us here that, maybe somehwere lurking in them thar Ozark Hills, is an individual with sense who can act and post here like they are at least a responsible adult with something intelligent to say.

Thanks all, have a great night and there will be no more posts from me for the rest of the day. In the rare event I get an intelligent answer to my five questions posted above, they will be answered in the morning.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Anon "no one wants to sit with me" @634pm

Chill. ;)

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Anon @ 634pm

How To Make A Bakker Cult Follower:

1 cup of "hate".

3 teaspoons "extreme thought".

2 tablespoons "life is so unfair".

1/2 Cup of "antichrist heathen".

1 tablespoon "filthy sin".

Bake at 350 for one hour or until it believes Jim Bakker is a god.

Anonymous said...

Talk about infantile. Is that all you got KaK?

Craig said...

Lol Kool Aid Kid. And be sure to their cake for desert.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

No. I'm just beginning with your froggy cult ... just beginning. ;)

Kool-Aid KId said...

I'm well stocked up with moronside Dino cake now Craig.

This zombie@708pm doesn't get any. ;(

SusanD said...

Wow, I see a few faker Baker zombies are back tonight. No dates on Friday night kids? Oh that's right Jim doesn't allow it lolol

Kool-Aid Kid said...

SusanD

LOL

;)

Joe C, Blue eye, Missouri said...

I seek no victory, Mark my words

Hyacinth Bucket (Bouquet) said...

Jim Bakker says "We are in the End Times now!" Right? Yesterday while rañting on TV, that people are signing this petition to stop Lori's house....màjority being morningside residents. Thaat was some leture he gave them! That was the most I have ever seen him read from the bible other than Revelation. He wants 1000 people to give hin $1000.00 to pay for lawyers because he didn't follow the law and get the proper permits! That shouldn't be thrown out there for more money because he thought he could go on building unnoticed! Now he wants more donations and I am sure a new road to? If we believe Jim, right mornongside folks, that we are in the End Times, why is he constructing buildings that cost millions of dollars? Wouldn't preaching the message of salvation at the End Times to save souls be the true mission of Christ? WWJD? Common sense alone says these messages are really 2 totally opposite messages. Which one is it? Does añyone know for sure? I hope Granda Ma Maxine doesn't die penniless due to all the buckets and buildings and roads she has helped build and I am sure she was generous to Jim. Wonder if she will get to see them come to fruition? Free bracelets just by calling. Do you thiñk they will ask for money for the lawyers when you ask for the free bracelet? How about it Kool Aid Kid- want to see if they will send a free bracelet? Send it without asking for money? I say they ask, what do you think?

Kool-Aid Kid said...

... I wonder what some of the moronside students are doing tonight? ( well, I really don't care but what the hell )

Zach is dipping his head in a vat of Rogaine.

Matt's cleaning the toliets in the bathhouse.

Sasha was so busy on her computer all day and is now trying to get all the white-out off her computer screen.

SusanD said...

Hyacinth Bucket,
You know what would happen if you called for a free pink bracelet...not only would you get asked for money, you would get on Jim's mailing list. God forbid they get your phone number cause Zach would crank call us lololol

KAK lolol

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Hey, Hyacinth Bucket (Bouquet)

Ancient old Froggy can keep his junk.

;)

Craig said...

Okay, I'm tired of the Joe C subject. This site is concerned with the fake church and school, etc. associated with jim bakker. You bakker zombies keep bringing up Joe C to deflect the topic. Stupid zombies ......

Joe C Blue eye, Missouri said...

Craig
On that note, Joe C out

Joe C Blue eye, Missouri said...

Send me an invoice Press Agent

Joe C Blue eye, Missouri said...

Thank you for the proliferation of knowledge.

Gee, eye hoap i spelt that rite

Joe C Blue eye, Missouri said...

Any post using the name Joe C Blue eye, Missouri from this point on, are not from me.

Craig said...

O.Sorry Joe C. But I can only take the zombies bullshit for so long. I really don't care about your visit with the dark lord. It is hilarious if you had a hand in the Lori's Hoax relocation. Doubt jim has even checked the codes on the new location. Although darth zach is the resident code breaker, I wouldn't follow his advice if I were jim. Darth Wert has already started fund raising for the new location, he should pray that the monies he raises goes to that fake cause rather than one of the heretics other scams, otherwise brother jason faces jail time as well.

Craig said...

Best of luck to you Joe C. I really hope you come out for the better.

Ron said...

@ Spare me the drama,

See how that works? You post garbage and hate, then I flag it as spam and remove it. Since you have such little self control that you can't bring yourself to stop reading my blog and posting here, I'll take care of it for you. You're done.

Don't like it? T-O-U-G-H S-H-I-T.

WHAAAA.

Ron said...

BTW, thanks to everyone who respects the forum I run here (whether you agree with me on the whole or not). My patience is gone with that specific portion of Bakker's obnoxious, ignorant, filibustering crowd who exploit my kindness and fairness for weakness, and attempt to derail the topic away from Bakker.

Knowing what is and isn't acceptable here isn't hard to figure out. If you can't figure it out, then I just suggest you don't comment at all. This isn't a forum for children.

If people think they're going to come here and try bullying me around like their Lord Jim Bakker bullies people at Morningside, they are sorely mistaken. You are in my house and you will respect my rules. If you choose not to do so, then you will be silenced, you will be angry, and you will be powerless to do anything about it. And, every new reader of sound mind will understand who is in the right and, dare I say, sympathize with me.

Phil Naessen (dogs have returned to their vomit link in bottom-right corner) just bans people outright who abuse their comment privileges on his site. Exploit Phil's forum and you'll never post there again.

Amazing that these nutcases are this worked up over the fact that someone dared to criticize Jim Bakker. That's it, that's all. We criticize Jim Bakker, and they go bananas over it.

Craig said...

Lol Ron. You give bakker backers an open forum to make their best case in support of him and they abuse it in a stunningly abusive way. They then want to blame you and others on this site for their behavior. If they can't comment here then where on the internet can they comment? The answer is nowhere, not even bakker's blog or muster seed will allow them. Lol.

Anonymous said...

Jim, on a show in my market this evening speaking of local concern over a possible tax increase in the area. " We have no taxes anyway, I don't think, I don't know".

Anonymous said...

Ya know, we have to get a license for this house. No, really?

Anonymous said...

God spoke to me today and God says, I care

Tanya said...

We had the "Stalker TBC," and now we have the stalker "Anon Dortsch."

I already pointed out to "Anon Dortsch" that purposeful misspelling of a person's screen name is a form of trolling - to no avail. At best, "Anon Dortsch" cannot spell, at worst, s/he is trolling. Then you add all the personal attacks hurled at Brother Dortch - based on an *assumption* of who the person behind the screen name is - name-calling at Bro. D. only, no response to anyone else, no answers or comments on any of the questions/topics of discussion. Most importantly, "Anon Dortsch" has ignored Bro. D.'s challenge to name the person s/he *thinks* Bro D. is.

Another stalker.

Just what we need.

@ 4:04pm anonymous: hello anonymous. Well, Ron has explained that he is removing posts where people are stealing established screen names *plus* posts which contain content that the average person would consider extreme. If you believe that your post was neither of those two things, please re-post - and identify yourself, so I know its you.

@ Ron: thank you for the extra time you are putting in to make these comments a reasonable place. I have looked at Phil N.'s blog in the past, and noticed that he once assigned an anonymous poster a screen name when that person ignored Phil's polite request to choose a screen name - that was in addition to removing abusive posts - it is clear the Jim Bakker/Morningside supporters who have been abusing this forum do not understand: (a) the real world, (b) basic ethics on the internet, (c) how much latitude you granted on *your* blog.

Craig: you hit the nail on the head - Ron provided a place where Bakker-supporters could come and present rational, compelling information about Jim Bakker, Morningside, or any of the questions raised here... instead, they answer zero questions and behave unethically, abusively, and outrageously. Posts on sites associated with Jim Bakker have to be pre-approved (I haven't tried that personally, but a couple of people pointed it out the other day), and back in the good old days when Jason Wert posted here, Jason W. invited people to his personal blog (Mustardseed) but clarified that he would *not* allow negative comments about the students of Morningside, or other types of negative comments (that Ron has allowed) to stand.

Really, Ron's blog is the best chance Bakker-supporters had to make their case.

They blew it.

Tanya said...

One further thought about "Anon Dortsch" - it does not seem that s/he is interested in the challenge, but I'm not sure how useful it would be for anon to give the real name of who s/he thinks Brother Dortch is. All we would get then is more of the same directed at Brother Dortch, plus the knowledge of a real person's name (that the anonymous person passionately hates for whatever reason).

If the day ever comes when the anonymous provides any information to back up his/her allegations, that will be Ron's decision to make.

I just find it interesting that "Anon Dortsch" simply ignored the whole response from Brother D. and kept attacking. That's all Brother D.'s stalker seems able to do... like a car stuck in first gear, revving high, burning up the innards of the car, but... stuck.

Ron said...

Lol, exactly Tanya and Craig. And the forum is still open to everyone, just not to the people who got bounced. Considering the behavior we've just witnessed, can you imagine what it must be like to live at Morningside?

If there are any new hateful comments in the morning that happen to squeak through, just ignore them. I'll take care of them after I eat a big bowl of Jim Bakker Cereal for breakfast.

Oh yeah I forgot to mention, Morningside Inc requested that the videos of the Jim Bakker Show that I posted on YouTube be removed. Funny that a supposed gospel-preaching Pastor doesn't want his message being disseminated. Why not? If he's preaching the good word, isn't it better for more people to spread it? If you're preaching gospel, Jim, don't you want that to reach people through as many avenues as possible?

I plan to elaborate on this later in a blog post, but I assure Jim and his cronies of one thing: This blog and my words are protected under the 1st Amendment. I don't give a rat's ass about your videos, but my words and thoughts are a whole 'nother story.

You see, Google makes it exceedingly difficult to silence a blogger, and people who have tried with other bloggers have not only lost but have been penalized by the presiding judge in amounts into the hundreds of thousands of dollars to deter future lawsuits of the kind. That's because we have a fundamental right to free press in this country. Jim Bakker might not like that, but one might argue that we have that right specifically to protect ourselves from the likes of all the Jim Bakker's of the world.

Imagine every post in this blog being read, word for word, to a captive audience of 12 jurors? Imagine them being forced to watch Bakker's show as Exhibit A? Imagine every journalist in the country suddenly hearing about Jim Bakker again, and hearing that he's trying to silence a member of the media who is exposing his dirty con game and satirizing him?

I'm thinking of semi-fictionalizing this very idea into something for more general consumption in the future, but I don't know how much time I'll have to do so (a new blog post is top priority).

Oh hey Tanya, your post was labeled as spam for some reason by Blogger so I moved it over and posted it. Just letting you know that wasn't me. If anyone else has something not post correctly, I'll clear it up when I get a chance. Except for the rejects of course. All you're getting is the corner and the dunce cap.

Jeb said...

@6:59 Funny. You just listed all the ingredients to a dino cake.

RIGHT!!! said...

That's OK Mondo. I'm going to pass on your open invite to visit Morningside (posted a few days ago). I still remember the fate of Congressman Jim Ryan and his crew when he visited Jonestown back in the day.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Jeb

No. That's the ingredients of a jim bakker moronside zombie @659.

A moronside Dino cake has different ingredients. I should know as I make tons of them.

lol

J.O.B. said...

God spoke to me and said: "Jim; you made your own bed, now sleep in it". "I'm tired of bailing you out."

Jessica said...

To the Bakker zombie that posted the Food-bucket heathens use fictitious names when posting.

My real name is Jessica. I reside in California, I have a degree in accounting. My beliefs have little to do with my issues with the thief and liar, commonly known as Jim Bakker.

You say, well, you use a picture of Jessica Hahn and that is fake. I want anyone reading this blog to see one of the victims of the felon and convicted Jim Bakker.

Jason Wert, because you think you are smarter than us and you tried to dazzle us by whispering sweet nothings in our ears, here is a smack from me to you.

I am not a christian, but its interesting to find myself, along with others, defending religion and exposing someone who is a corrupt immoral con man using Jesus to make millions. Its just kind of backwards.

Ron said...

lol Kool-Aid

Yeah that's right, Congressman Ryan was killed by Jones's henchman on the tarmac right? Considering that Bakker's loyal followers get this riled up when people expose him, I would imagine they could rationalize doing the same thing if one of us flew down there on a 'fact-finding mission' too. Scary.

Wonder what they're up to today? Something tells me there's going to be an awful lot of poopie pants prank calls this weekend.

Such nice people those Morningside folks. Their leader has trained them well.

April Dancer said...

Somehow Jessica, it didn't surprise me to hear you were from CA.:)

Anonymous said...

Ron, when can we expect the new blog? The anticipation is killing me!

Anonymous said...

I feel bad for KaK, he obviously got scared in all this controversy. I'll bet right now the little trickstir is hiding under his Mom's bed.

Tanya said...

OK, Bakker-supporters, Morningside residents, Media "students" - did you read that? (April 29 @ 1:29am)

Jim Bakker (Morningside Inc.) asked that the videos of Jim Bakker's show be removed.

Do you understand what a big deal that is?

If you do not, Ron plans to explain it to you - I just hope that people actually read what Ron writes.

In the meantime, if nothing else, realize that Jim Bakker knows about this blog and that Jim Bakker does *not* believe that his message can stand on its own - Jim Bakker does *not* have faith in his own TV show, in his own "preaching."

Morningside/Bakker-supporters have come to these comments and called those of us who do not support Jim Bakker atheists and heathens. If that is what you believe, don't you want clips of Jim Bakker on this blog, where the heathens can watch, and maybe start to realize how great your Jim Bakker is? That this is a place where Jim Bakker could do some of that harvesting of souls he talks about? As Jim Bakker continually says when he is promoting his "school" and justifying his students' YouTube garbage: you have to go where the people are... and the people are on the internet.

But no, Jim Bakker would rather put his effort into controlling how his TV show - that he says he was "called" to make - is used once it is made public.

Anonymous said...

Ron, I love your work and I am so glad you have provided a place for people to go who suspect that Jim Bakker is taking people to the cleaners and making a mint. All in the name of "Christianity."

I would like to ask you about something concerning format. There are an awfully lot of conversational posts here where people are using the comments section as kind of a social club.

This may make it harder for people who are coming to your blog for good, solid information to wade through the chit-chat to find it. I know it gets wearisome for me.

Would it be possible to have a separate comments section where people could chit-chat and tell jokes, etc., apart from a comments section where specific information about the Bakker cult's activities is being disseminated and discussed.

Just wondering. As AIways, I Love your blog. As Neil Young sings, "Long may you run."

Anonymous said...

Zach buys Rogaine in 50 gallon drums and applies it with a paint roller.

Tanya said...

@ 2:18pm: your question was not directed at me, but I would like to give my thoughts. Please disregard them if you don't want my input, and see if Ron replies:

Ron already did a lot of work. Now, because people could not respect this forum, Ron also has to watch for people stealing screen names and being outrageously abusive.

If what you are asking is even possible, Ron would have to sort each comment. (we've already seen that the rules don't get respected)

Personally, I think Ron does more than enough. I think it is straight-forward to skim read, and only focus on the posts you are interested in. And, allowing free-speech in these comments (within the limits that Ron has been clear about - and these limits give more freedom than the majority of blogs out there) is part of what makes this blog special - it also shows the Bakker-supporters' comments for what they truly are.

On your end, do you contribute to the concrete discussion about Jim Bakker and his activities? That is not intended to be a nasty question. You posted under "anonymous" - personally, before asking Ron to increase his workload, I'd want to be an established poster. Actually, I wouldn't make that request at all, for the reasons I already outlined - but that's only how I see it.

Anonymous said...

Ron would need to create two seperate blogs. One directed to Jim Bakker and the other a "general" forum. A lot of blog projects have this system, one in particular "Fairfax Underground" does a very successful job of it. Fairfax Underground originates from Fairfax VA and is quite popular. I would imagine it would encompass a lot of attention. But; it's a thought.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Anon "no room in the crypt for me" @205pm

I thought @205pm would be the usual ugly, b.o. wreaking moronside zombie ... but no!

"Awwwww ... look at you!"

You're a cute little three foot, fat zombie girl ( she would have be cuter if her other ear hadn't rotted off. ) lol

"I can tell by the way you're drooling all over the floor that you're hungry. Don't like the bakker space food anymore?"

Poor stupid creature. ;(

"Hey, here's some Dino cake that I packed into an old bread bag. You can have it."

Awwwww ... look at her grinning and showing off that one rotten tooth!

"Now off you go and don't say bad words like "trickstir" anymore."

Ron said...

Hi 2:18pm, thanks for your comment!

Unfortunately, Blogger is pretty confining in the way it implements comments. As the later poster mentioned, I don't have the ability to do that unless I create a second blog or move to an entirely different platform (both of which aren't options for me right now due to time constraints). I would have started with a different platform from the outset if I knew how popular it would become. When I started this I had no idea there would be other like-minded people out there. I figured it would just be me fending off the occasional zombie, not 100,000+ views and first-page placement for Jim Bakker Show searches in less than a year.

My my, hey hey, I like the Neil Young reference! I know the song you mention because it's one of my favorites, thanks!

@ 1:14pm
I'm trying to get going on a new one but other stuff keeps sidetracking me. I was prepping myself to start this week but then I caught a cold, and on top of that screwed up my back lol. Argh.

Have a good weekend everyone.

Webster said...

I guess the Morningside bunch has took their toll on Joe C.? Did he leave the site? Is that to be taken as an admission of guilt? He made a deal with Bakker? Deals with guys like that are always a bad bargain. No matter what is gained.

Truthseeker said...

Webster,
Joe C. started off all gung ho that he was going to fight Bakker tooth and nail and would keep us informed along the way. He vowed that he would stop the construction and wasnt moving. Then, right after the meeting he suddenly got silent and now says he has given up and is moving. We believe he has made a deal with Bakker and now refuses to give us any details or updates.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Joe C For Mayor

Anonymous said...

Kool-Aid Kid for town jester!

Anonymous said...

Right now Joe C. feels like a long-tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs and has to get out while the getting is good so he is packing up and heading south to Florida!

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Anon@653pm

"a room full of rocking chairs"

Kind of like a moronside residents board meeting right?

JOE C FOR MAYOR

Anonymous said...

No, more like Grandma Maxines condo on bridge night....

Bucket Tina said...

I think Jimbo is resorting to telling Ron to pull the videos of his televised portions of his "ministry" because we are soon to have a new blog by Ron. Could they be wanting to protect Tammy Sue Bakker? Ron doesn't need to have her vids posted-but would love to see them again. Ron's descriptions are even better than the videos. I can live without those but aren't the still photos public domain since they, Bakker, put them out them for all to see? Why does Bakker think thak the first ammendment doesn't apply to him? Odd that a year goes by nothing about taking them down and low and behold, the letter comes to stop clips of his show. I feel a Tammy Sue Bakker and family reunion blog might be on the horizon and Jimbo is worried. That won’t stop Ron. Quite the opposite affect image. Good Luck Ron, you won't need it though!

And this blog is about...? said...

I thought this blog was,about the convicted felon Jim Bakker. When did this turn into a blog of "Where's Joe C,"? He came here, he blogged. If he wants to come back -okay, if not, so what? It's his life, his decision.

sideline said...

A little bird told me the new site of Lori's house is right behind the tabernacle, on the original 600 acre plot, under control of Blue eye and not Stone County.

I have also been told there are no new gardens that have been tilled or fruit trees planted.

sideline said...

I only bring this up because I would think false statements on the airwaves constitute fraud.

Tanya said...

@ 8:14pm and this blog is about: yes, agreed. If you scroll back, Craig brought this issue up, too, April 20 @7:54pm. You can see responses under that - it appears to be a closed issue.

There are those who would like to continue diverting ... to keep the focus off of Jim Bakker.

@ Ron: I have absolutely zero knowledge of the various platforms out there for blogs - putting comments in the wrong place seems exactly what some would do, but for all I know there is a format out there somewhere that would deal with that.
Bottom line: you have created a very popular site, so congrats. And feel better.

Brother Dortch said...

I had to scroll up a couple of nights ago and see if Ron had changed the name of the site. After meeting up with the hateful Bakker bunch, once again, they almost caused me to believe Ron had changed the name and purpose of this site to blog about me. Then I saw the title was still "The Jim Bakker Foodbucket Fanpage" and I was reminded, once again, this is a site about the life and activities of con artist Jim Bakker. I will not be steered away from this topic by some wayward, desperate, and totally clueless individuals who would rather cling to a tiny ray of self imposed hope in their confidence man as opposed to looking at the mountain of facts that have been left behind in the wake of all the damage done.

SusanD said...

One thing I really love about this site is when you goggle Jim Bakker’s name you see Jim Bakker’s show then this site time after with comments, so people can see the real Jim Bakker. Lolol

Here is a question I have been curious about if it’s the end of time as Jim Bakker says and you bought a generator to charge your ipad or iphone. Who are you going to be able to call?

Kool-Aid Kid said...

So now Bakker has a very expensive road going nowwhere. Well not really nowhere, but to a very pricey U-turn anyways for now.

I have a suggestion.

Perhaps his zombies should construct a billboard (sorry about the noise Joe C) and make the best of the big mistake. The poster should show the face of Jason "Moronside Propaganda Minister" with a statement below him. The statement should say,

"Hi gang! Oops he did it again!"

Anderson said...

@8:01

I'm sure Bakker consulted knowledgable Attorneys on what is permitted under the Freedom of Speech admendment. Freedom of speech only goes so far, there are laws out there in regards to copyright infringement. You folks think in this society you can pretty much say what you what without fear of repercussions, wrong! Try hollering "Fire" or "nigger" in a theatre and see what happens to you. Whenever a guy like Bakker takes action, I know it was not done in a wavy fashion. Bakker has to be very careful, all paroled felons do, he is savy about the legal system. Also freedom of speech protects everyone, felons too.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Anderson,

Whenever a con man like Bakker takes action watch for a situation of stupid is as stupid does.

Building a road to nowhere was not done in a wavy fashion but in a stupid fashion.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Anderson,

.... your use of certain words makes me wonder about you.

Typical Bakker supporter comments.

Real world liver said...

Hey Kool-aid:

Joe C, pretty much pulled up stumps and "got out of Dodge". I doubt if he intends to run for Mayor or even Dog Catcher. See for every Dogpatch lawyer Joe hires, Bakker will hire ten high profile New York attorneys. That's the nature of the beast, $$$$$, money talks, Joe C. walks to Florida. It don't matter if righ was on Joe C.'s side, if in fact it was. Bakker has money, lots and lots of money. Also if he runs out of money, he'll just get more. You're just a "kid" who still has no grasp of the real world. If you're rich, like Bakker, the world sees you as smart, handsome, eternally young, and able to sing and dance beautifully.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Hey Real World Liver!

Another boring day for a Jim Bakker fake student at the
moronside nursing home eh?

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Idea! What do you think of this Zach Drew?

Current Position: Morningside Student / Jim Bakker Prophet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpdCcaFOuH0&feature=related

Real world liver said...

That "road to no where", that Kool-aid-Kid described so well, is symbolic of all or most major Religions and; the path these so-called "Preachers" lead their flock.

Kool-Aid KId said...

Like what really happens in the Moronside compound on a Sunday really?

Does the Moronside Propaganda Minister shout out to all the fake moronside students:

Hi gang!

Praise Jim Bakker ...

and attack the Bucket!

May Dino cake go with you.

lol

Kool-Aid Kid said...

The "Road To Nowhere" is actually the "Road To A Very Pricey U-Turn".

... reread my above posted comment again... lol ... you need to make a small correction to your comment stupid jim bakker zombie student.

What?

No comment about the "Bakker Prophet" appearing in the youtube clip?

SusanD said...

Not sure why everyone is on JoeC back since he said 2 blogs ago what his beef was with Bakker…….. That construction was starting at 6:30 and it was waking him up so he talked to Bakker or Crawford about it, in no way does that mean he did anything with a Petition so some of you need to Grow-up…..Did JoeC tease some of us….yesssssss but so what that’s his business!

Annon.. said...

@ Kool-aid-kid:

I thought Zach did well, articulate, photogenic. Young folk today are different, we need to analysis them before sticking them with the "evil" brand. That mistake was prevalent in the 60s/70 with J.Edgar Hoover, Nixon, Billy Graham, John Wayne and Agnew thinking. It is a whole new world, I give Bakker credit for realizing this and acting upon it.

Anonymous said...

@11:22,


We refer to your socalled "Road to No where" as the "Path of Good intentions". Thank u very much.

Craig said...

@12:05. Zach would be an idiot no matter what decade you use for reference. Lol.

SusanD said...

Couldn't agree more Craig lolol

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Silly Bakker Zombie ... okay I'll make your correction for you then.

Here you go:

That "road to a very pricey U-turn", that Kool-aid-Kid described so well, is symbolic of all or most major Religions and; the path these so-called "Preachers" lead their flock.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Anon "who obviously is not a parent" @1205pm

Explain your comment to a parent(s)whose child recieves an "articulate" call from Jim Bakker's Prophet Zach Drew late at night.

He needs to have his butt kicked around the cpompound.

Ffloyd said...

SusanD: And what about Joe C. He announces his intention to run for Mayor, getting KAK and Grandma Maxine all excited. He then proceeds to leave town and relocate to sunny Florida. Is that a nice thing to do?

SusanD said...

Ffloyd,
I am guess that if JoeC announced he was running for mayor it was somebody from the compound who stole his name on this blog to stir the pot! lol

Zach said...

@12:46.....No! That a terribly horrible thing to do! Nefarious and dastardly!

Kool-Aid Kid said...

hahahahahaha Ffloyd... How excited did Jim Bakker get you with his "Road To A Very Pricey U-Turn".

Then Jim Bakker proceeds to leave the road and relocate to a new sunny location.

Is that a nice thing to do?

heavy price to pay said...

Morningside must be a true hell. Zach is the boot cleaner for Bakker. Kevin and Nolan are the lackeys for Zach. One word from Zach to Bakker and those two are out in the cold. Zach has those two by the "short hairs" and they know it. It goes back to the old antic: "What price glory", At what price (including selling of soul) will some folks pay for mediocre success. Pitiful! Pitiful!

Morningside Creu said...

Dear Ronald...
Well played sir.
You do have a good argument. Young man, you criticize our tactics against you? Why? Suddenly you are Mother Teresa? You never called us a derogatory word before? You still insist that Pastor has not changed. Ronald, you started a war. War is not a fun thing. Oh right, you and the rest of your faction are better than us, ha ha, ha ha, ha ha, ha ha, ha ha***...

I can guarantee you that everyone associated with your group enjoy watching The Jim Bakker Show. Your telling me that you are not entertained while watching? I highly doubt that my friend. What we make on a day to day basis is art, we are currently the number one Christian show on television. You are free to join our community, LOL, baahahaha!

U<***Morningside Creu*****
PEACe
Here is your anthem trolls... LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z4m4lnjxkY&feature=fvst

Uriah said...

Kool-aid-kid loves that show. He tapes the same episode over three different stations so he won't miss anything. He has a picture of Zach on his night stand. He turns off his cellphone and unplugs his Mom's phone so his viewing isn't disturbed. With loyal viewers like that Bakker will be on forever.

fencesitter said...

wow. leave for a couple weeks and all hell breaks loose.

Tybalt said...

What part of Florida will Joe C. relocate to? Bakker probably said three words after that meeting: "veni,vidi,veci!", to Zack.

Anonymous said...

Joe C. is heading to Ft Myers with his pink lamb wristband, stuffed lambs, blanket, and a pocket full of cash!

Anonymous said...

To fencesitter:

When Bakker and company is involved all you have is hell!

Anonymous said...

To morningside creu,

You think you are in a war? You don't know what a holy war is because there is nothing holy about what Jim Bakker does! Jesus was attacked for teaching the truth. Jim is teaching lies and you think he shouldn't be opposed! Wake up and smell the coffee!

When are you people going to grow up? Your post are so infantile!

All of Christian tv is a con! You are bragging Jim is the biggest con of all when you say the show is rated number one.

Many people tune in to watch the Jim Bakker fiasco repeat itself. Many get laughs. Many want to watch it all go down again. The whole sordid affair brings shame to real christians. It can't end soon enough for those of us who are embarrassed by all of you at this sham ministry.

Craig said...

Lol morningside creu. jim doesn't even have a Christian television show. He only has an infomercial for love gifts. He buys his airtime.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

To: heavy price to pay

pssst ... that's zach drew really. "Heavy" is so correct but "Zach has those two by the short hairs" is wrong bakker zombie. Correct to say soon it will be "Zach has only a few "short hairs" on his head".

LOL LOL LOL LOL

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Go with it dude!

lol

Anonymous said...

Joe C. for Mayor of Fort Myers, FL.

Anonymous said...

Things change, with the big bucks, the 6 figure salary Zach is raking in. It will be no problem to join Hair Club for Men or buy a toupee. KaK will always be KaK.

Kool-Aid KId said...

Jim Bakker's "Road To A Very Pricey U-Turn"

For Con Of The Year

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Whatever you say cue ball.

Just saying ... that's all.

burnjimburn said...

six figure salary! really, are you that stupid? zach couldnt buy a used kia. he is piss poor and it shows. jim keeps all the money to pay off women he has raped and all the work done to lori's face

New to the subject said...

Does anybody know if there is a way to find out how much bakker spends on air the purchase of air time.

Now Here's The Real Truth said...

As usual for anything coming out of the mouth of either Jim Bakker or his extremely dumb students, the comment above about Jim Bakker's show being #1 rated is an outright lie.

Joel Ostten outrates him terribly. This is from Joel's website:

"Recent Nielsen Media Research rated Joel Osteen’s broadcast as the #1 inspirational program nationally, based on average television viewers per market."

In other words, when you hear zombies talk, don't listen!

I Smoked Crack With Lori said...

It is not even fair to compare the dog & pony show of the con artist to Joel Osteen. And, about that $100,000 salary of Zach Drew--someone has been smoking crack to believe that. I know--they just left here on their way to the bath house!

Better Keep Training Prophets said...

The "Prophets In Training" apparently don't have enough experience yet to predict the correct TV ratings! LOL LOL LOL LOL!

Anonymous said...

Bakker's son was here in NC to protest against the gay marriage ban here..so he might be gay(granny)As far as the fuel-less generator..they do exists ...think you can get one for about 700 buck not 1700 like Baker has it listed..all it is ..is a battery with a solar panel..the panel recharges the battery ..you can get AC or DC current off the battery..you could call it a simple solar power system not a generator.

Review By M. Wise 10-7-11 said...

Actual review of foodbucket by M. Wise on Amazon who says:

"Not healthy. Save your money"

October 7, 2011

This review is for: Emergency Survival Food Supply 275 Servings -20 YEAR SHELF LIFE

"This bucket is probably most famous for being hawked by the president of the manufacturer on a famous televangelist show...let's call it the "Bim Jakker" show. Yes, THAT "Bim Jakker." Think about that for a while.

Each "meal" in this bucket averages just 130 calories each. Keep in mind a normal healthy adult male should not consume less than 2000 calories per day. If you used this as purported "275 meal" bucket as a 30-day supply of food for one adult male, you would get just 1200 calories a day while consuming over 4500mg of salt. Ouch! If you actually want to not waste away and instead get at least 2000 calories every day, this bucket barely lasts over two weeks. And at that point, you are now getting nearly 8000mg of sodium each and every day. Double ouch!

I will grant that this is better than having absolutely nothing (and that's why I gave it two stars instead of one), but storing up canned beans, rice and spam would actually be healthier than this (and cheaper)."

Anonymous said...

Questions

1. What BRAND of SUV did Lori get? Someone said it was parked on Grace Street with a bow. Was it a BMW,Benz or something cheaper?

2. Anyone know what Jim's Morningside condo is like? Wondered if it was alot nicer than typical condos there

Anonymous said...

I saw an episode where Jim said he had never been in James apartment at Morningside. Are they not close? I would think James would be close to Grandpa.

Anonymous said...

Can someone update on whether there is a pool?
Also, is it me or does Morningside and Grace Street look HORRIBLY depressing? Heritage USA looks like the Atlantis Bahamas compared to Morningside. WTF--The exterior of Morningside looks like trailers welded together. Grace Street is a freaking depressing ass mess. Its messy and just low rent looking..seriously Crawford should have asked Roe Messner for advice! I wonder if Jim thinks Grace Street and Morningside looks good...its just so cheap looking

Cement Floor Roller said...

The floor of Grace Street is cement. Jim said that material was selected because it is something the camera tripods can easily roll on but I'm not buying it. A lot of different materials could have been chosen instead of cement and the cameras could very easily roll on those better looking materials too.

Brother Dortch said...

Good morning everyone and I hope you all had a great weekend!

I have something for everyone to think about as we get a new week started and it concerns a YouTube video located here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AliiQpg2Rk

You do not have to watch the whole show. I am only concerned here with the very first minute of it. In this YouTube video, recently placed online on April 13, 2012 by Bakker, himself, under the screen name MorningsideStudios, the show no sooner gets underway when, at exactly 47 seconds into it, Bakker says these words:

"I don't profess to be a prophet but I hear things from God and they come true."

Now, my thoughts on this statement are as follows. Isn't this the same Jim Bakker who said God spoke to him and told him about both the Japan earthquake and 9-11? Isn't this the same Jim Bakker who said that he wanted to prophecy that Tammy Sue would sing again and visit Morningside also? Isn't this the same Jim Bakker who once said that he would like to prophecy that the west coast would be hit with disaster and numerous other statements which he claimed was God speaking to him via a prophecy?

Finally, isn't this the same Jim Bakker who would broadcast on TV that all of his so-called "students" are not "students" at all but are instead, as he put it in his exact words, "prophets in training?"

I am certainly open for correction from anyone who feels as though I am wrong but everyone knows who is training these so-called "students" at the compound in Blue Eye, MO. That person is Jim Bakker. How in the world can these "students" be, to quote Jim Bakker, "prophets in training" when you will hear at the top of this show (link above), at a point only 47 seconds into the broadcast, Jim Bakker now say he is no prophet? How can he now claim not to be a prophet but, on another day, claim that he is training human beings who are not "students" but are, instead, "prophets in training?"

Is it me, or was Chief Federal Prosecutor, Deborah Smith, correct when she stated during the trial that: "Jim Bakker is a world class master of telling half truths?"

How can "prophets in training" be taught how to be a prophet when the teacher teaching them now suddenly claims he is no prophet himself?

Am I losing my mind or does this make no sense at all? Somebody please help me. I am hearing double talk which makes no sense and a certain faction of very misguided and wayward youth, i.e. the so-called "students," are caught up right in the middle of this B.S.

What are your thoughts? Am I crazy or is somebody using the public's airwaves to prove, once again, that they are "a world class master of telling half truths?"

Find out fore you buy. said...

@12:11, Probably healthier to eat the buckets themselves then what they contain. Those buckets must be extremely hard for older folks to open if they are squeezed shut. Have to pry them open with a pinch bar. Compound that with arthritic hands and the person would starve to death before they jimmie it open.

Cousin Dave said...

The "expect a miracle" guy on TV most likely has better ratings then Bakker. That guy gets result! He can cure cripples, AiDs, cancer, tumors, you name it. That old coot is from the old school and is great entertainment if you can't get old reruns of "Hee Haw" on the TV.

burnjimburn said...

bro-d, thats spot on. i cant believe that he is able to be tax exempt when all he has is an infomercial.
just watched them talk about the shirt the one student designed,(brayden i think) i cant believe anyone would believe jim bakker. i would have thought my disgust with him would have worn off and i wouldnt care anymore but it just gets worse

Anonymous said...

Can someone fill in the blanks on what type of SUV Lori was given?

Also was curious about the condo the Bakkers have.

BTW--On one of the Tammy Sue shows Jim points to a condo and says he doesnt know how but hes going to get it for Tammy Sue. They more or less said she had been depressed. If she lives in that pseudomall I'd say she won't much better. I would think the condo untis that face Grace Street wouldnt have outside windows.
Assume J and L's unit is much nicer and wondering if its some how serpeated from the others.
Again, hard to be too jealous when it looks so hideous.

Anonymous said...

Little Lori's Lamb, Weird...lolololol, wow, are the Bakker supporters dumb, hard to believe they keep buying Jim's junk!

Jessica said...

Bro. D no, you aren't losing your mind, I thought I was too. I had to step back and rest my brain Sunday. When you deal in logic and honesty its hard to follow double talk and the spin game con's do.

Bakker actively solicits misfits of society who have low self-esteem (kind of how he landed the big fish Lori)no money and obvious problems. He reveals to them that he is their Lord and Savior and offers them a bright future in his Kingdom, as long as they swallow hook, line, and sinker his scam.

Wert's a bigger fish then Zach and Bakker hooked him....a "dime a dozen" Mr. Jason Wert.

When Bakker drops dead, you will be able to hear a pin drop over at Moronside when the zombies realize its over and they have gained nothing. The lies will eventually "bite them in the butt". Its not going to be a good ending to the zombies. They will just remain a "joke".

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Bro D

In Bakker's blog he states,

"I do not claim to be a prophet but I am a watchman whom the Lord Jesus uses to warn others to be ready for impending calamity."

A watchman Jimbo? Okay, what is the biblical role of a watchman?

I found this,

http://www.ucg.org/doctrinal-beliefs/role-watchman-what-does-it-mean-you/

"The Bible uses the role of a watchman to describe the work of a prophet among God's people."

Unless I'm seeing this wrong, it's another case of Jim Bakker "double speak".

Anonymous said...

Jessica, You posted your resume the other day I noticed. No where did it mention any type of degree or even a certificate in any of the behavioral sciences. Please lay off labeling people you don't even know , you are not qualified to assess anything in the psychological diciplines, not even dog psychology. It always amuses me that the loonies are always projecting onto others what they are inflicted with.

Anonymous said...

Guidestar.org lists US nonprofits. After finding a nonprofit, you can view the form 990 unless they claim to be a church. The 990 isnt available but it will still indicate that its an exempt organization. I can not find a trace of Morningside, Grace Chapel or New Cov Church on Guidestar. They Do appear on a Missouri non profit list but it should appear on Guidestar for expemtion from Fed taxes. Normally on a nonprofit website they will list their EIN Fed number which isnt listed on Morningside site. Do they have Federal exemption?

Clyde S. 3rd said...

9:45
No, it is not another case of "Double speak" it is another case of you messing the whole interpretation up! Smarten up!

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Anon "Dog Whisperer"@1005am

When you listen to Jim Bakker speak do you reflect on it later on and think,

"It always amuses me that the loonies are always projecting onto others what they are inflicted with."

No? Yes?

Craig said...

On New Years 1999, didn't bakker claim 31 prophecies were revealed to him by the almighty?
It would appear that sometimes federal prisoner number 07407-058 feels like a nut, sometimes he don't.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Moronside Compound Announcements:

Clyde S. 3rd Bible Study!

When: Sunday's at 7pm at Clyde's condo

"Wow!" is what you will say after one of Cyde's "Jim Bakker" based bible studies. Imagine an afternoon of Cyde shouting " it is another case of you messing the whole interpretation up!" Oh, what fun! Just when you think you've heard it all good ole Cyde will surprise you with "Smarten up!" as well I'm sure.

Dino cake will be served following his bible study.

See you there!

Mr Green Jeans said...

If Bakker and God are such pals, why don't the Lord tell Bakker what the number for this weeks Mega-Bucks is going to be? I know why cause Bakker would take all that money and skedadddle to Brazil. He'd howler from the plane; "See ya later, SUCKERS!"

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Mr Green Jeans

LOL!

Jessica said...

Hey anonymous 10:05 a.m. Thank you for rocking my world!! You are correct, I did not list a degree in Behavioral Science as you pointed out. My current interest is in "Con Artist 101." At the moment, because of Jim Bakker and zombies like you, I am researching sexual deviants in the history of religion.

I post with my name so what is your problem? When you "hiss" at me just identify yourself so we can be fair and equally obnoxious. I won't whine if you call me names. I like to know if its just you, or many more that want to kick my ass for bad mouthing Jimmie Bakker.

Here's a questions for you that I have asked many times..."What does Jesus and God's word have in common with Jim Bakker?" It should be on the tip of your tongue, anonymous since your suppose to win the world for Jesus. I know I will never get an answer so....

Here's a super big "slap" from me to you for selling out Christ and the gospel for this little, old, jailbird frog. Now, waddle away and give Bakker a wet "I care" smooch and tell him the Foodbucket fans are telling the 100,000+ viewers of this site that Jim Bakker666 is back in the saddle again.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Departing on his white stallion, Silver Sol, the Lone Frog shouts, "Hi-yo, Silver Sol! Away!" As the Lone Frog gallops off, someone asks, "Who was that masked frog anyway?"

Anonymous said...

Can someone tell me if any of this is exempt from Federal Taxes? They ARE exempt from MO state...however...they dont appear to have a federal EIN on Guidestar. Also, w/ everything in Grandma Char's name...what would happen if the IRS popped in and questioned her? Alone. Without Jim in the room. Would she know what to say?

Grandma Char Groupie said...

Jessica is so right. When Jim Bakker dies, you will be able to hear a pin drop at Morningside and that place will become exactly what it was meant to be in the first place--nothing but an old folks condo development stuck out in the middle of no man's land. The video equipment will be sold. The misguided "students" will be long gone. And the many other con artists who depend on visiting that god forsaken place to hock their wares will be forced to find some other suckers to sell to elsewhere. Please...let it be soon! I have heard enough double speak and bullshit to last three lifetimes!

Tax That Frog said...

It does appear that Jim Bakker's church has a federal tax exempt status and this article tells more about that.

http://bransontrilakesnews.com/news_free/article_7ee59a80-3e32-11e1-86f3-0019bb2963f4.html

Grandma Maxine said...

Jimbo is now using fellow frauster phoney Dr. Larry Bates's famous line "I am not a prophet, but I am very tuned into the source."

Craig said...

No, jim is not a prophet, but he plays one on TV. Lol.

Craig said...

No, jim is not a prophet, but he plays one on TV
Lol.

Awaiting The Sex Scandal said...

I hear Jim say that God told him New Orleans was going to be completely underwater long before the levy broke and he even showed a clip of that prediction which was made while they were taping shows at the old cafe. If that is not a prophecy than I don't know what is.

Troll Zombie said...

I agree, Awaiting the Sex Scandal. I saw that clip, and it was quite a coincidence. As much as I dislike Jim Bakker, I can't argue with the fact that he was accurate on that piece of video.

Anonymous said...

Jim is a watchman on the wall!

Where is Jason and Joe C.?

Uncle Henry said...

Joe C. is packing his bags to move to Florida and I doubt that Jason will ever be back here.

Redneck Central said...

I wonder if Joe C. is really moving? He's moving from one hillbilly location to a hillbilly/redneck area. If you thought the locals were crazy about guys like Bakker wait till you get to Florida! You won't be able to pull the same stuff you attempted with Bakker there. Try holding an anti-Bakker sign down there and see what happens. Good luck!

Craig said...

Wow, 3 zombie posts in a row. Not quite a yahtzee but good enough for a zombie straight. Lol.

Floridian said...

Florida is the best and Joe C. and all his cash is welcome here!

Redneck Central said...

What cause I post a reality scene I'm automatically labeled a "zombie". I don't know who you are but I'll wager you're a real shallow dumbell to jumped to such conclusions. Guys like you hurt this blog more then help it.

Craig said...

There's my yahtzee.

kyler said...

to 4:27'' You'd win the bet.

Craig said...

Alright redneck central. Why would jim pay off Joe? If Joe was open for a payoff why would he move? If Joe wants to sell, who'd buy? Your comment about Florida being full of bakker backers is puzzling since bakker left Florida and the compound he left there is bankrupt and full of scandal.

???????????? said...

What happen to Tanya? Did she get frustrated and stop posting? She was a excellent blogger.

Anonymous said...

Joe C. wasn't paid off. Uncle Henry has been watching too many old cowboy movies. What for? What would Bakker gain? Nothing!

Uncle Henry said...

I hate cowboy movies and Joe C. was part of the group that started the petition to stop construction of the original Lori's House. They had a meeting in which Jim gave him a gift to keep him from fighting against the latest construction site and now he is retiring to sunny Florida.

Craig said...

And yet bakker is still a liar,fraud, sexual deviant, tax dodger, false prophet, and convicted felon. Uncle Henry, I think jim is the scoundrel in question.

suomynona said...

Well said Craig.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

To Redneck Central

I'll wager this ... you like Dino cake.

Have a slice hillbilly!

Craig said...

Thanks Kool Aid Kid. : )

Kool-Aid Kid said...

I think Redneck Central and Bakker have howdied but they ain’t shook yet.

lol

Craig said...

I think you're right Kool Aid Kid, redneck central needs to get better educated about the fraud before starts judging responses to his comments.

Hallelujah trail said...

If what Uncle Henry says is correct it just proves an old truism going back to Adam and Eve. That everyman has his price, no matter how righteous you claim to be. It may be sad but it is perfectly normal and "human", don't feel bad Joe C.. A lot better men then you or I have fallen. That's the purpose of Rev. Bakker and others like him, to help you rise agai.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Big "if" my Jim Bakker zombie friend. Big "if". Who is the zombie Uncle anyways?

Every man has a price? What's your price concerning your soul? Your faith in the frog will damn you.

Rise again? With Jim Bakker the only thing rises again for all to see is corruption.

Agree?

burnjimburn said...

bakker would like us to rise a gay.

burnjimburn said...

and agreed Kool-Aid Kid,
jim just wants a chance to get in our pants, both sexually and monetarily

Anonymous said...

Does anyone live close enough to Morningside to slide over and snap some "tourist" pics? I really want to see if it looks as bad as it seems to.
Jim seems like he is very picky and moody. I cant imagine that he was satisfied with that place. Looks like theres no garage either so I assume everyonejust parks out in the elements?

Troll Zombie said...

Jim always gives these disaster examples as tsunamis, tornadoes, 40 degree below temperatures, hurricanes, earthquakes - major disasters!

Then, when he sells the $1700 generator, he says to use it to do your laundry, keep your refrigerator running, etc.

Under which of these humongous disasters is your home going to be intact? It's as if he's pitching to people that everything you own before the disaster is going to be there, in usable condition, and your only problem will be that you are out of electricity!

If any of those disasters really happened, you're going to have to flee your home or your home is not going to exist.

he said in the "brighten the corner" episode that if the canary islands go, grab your generator and get in the car and drive west because a big tsunami is coming. Yep - you and everyone else! Highways will be clogged and traffic will be at a stand still. I don't think any of Jim's scenarios are realistic.

And they should find a better way to package that food, because in a true immediate emergency, your not going to be able to haul 75 large, round, plastic buckets in a hurry!!

I think a generator would be handy if you live in an area that frequently experiences power outages, but I don't see it as necessary equipment to survive apocolyptic disaster!

Shadow said...

We call Uncle Henry: The watchdog.

dancing bear said...

Anybody called "Uncle" just has to be telling the truth, like Uncle Sam.

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