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Gord Pedersen: 'How does that Silver Sol shit work again?' |
This is the final post for this episode. If you haven't already read the first part, please click here for
part 1 of Jim Bakker scribbles on Zach, talks junk with Bill Whaley.
I wasn't aware that Dr Gordon Pedersen was the man behind Silver Sol, but he's the one in the commercial so now he owns it in my book. He tells us some gobbledy-gook about his miracle tonic, explaining that the particles of silver are so tiny that they can 'enter a red blood cell'. He says this is good because there's nothing to 'irritate or agitate', and that the particles of silver are just there to 'kill the germs'. I haven't been following the Silver Sol scene, but this sounds very, very stupid to me. Why would anyone voluntarily ingest something that is going to enter their blood cells and 'kill the germs'? How does silver know the difference between a germ and a blood cell? This sounds like an experiment the Japanese would do on Allied POWs to see how long they'd survive. Why would anyone even waste their time with this? It's so stupid it's laughable.
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This is what happens when you follow Jim Bakker's advice |
I did a little looking on this Dr Gordon Pedersen. Don't let the white lab coat fool you, because Gordon Pedersen is not a medical doctor. He has a PhD from a toxicology program which sounds promising, but
in this press release he's billed as the “
Anti-Aging Master Formulator” which causes my quack-alert siren to whoop loudly inside my head. I don't feel very comfortable here, Mr Pedersen.
Didn't this silver stuff turn some guy's skin blue like a smurf not too long ago? I think I'll pass on your miracle tonic this time around. My body already does a good enough job 'killing the germs' and you know what they say: If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I'll tell you what though: When I'm on my deathbed, I'll take a swig and see if it does anything for me. Does it cure dying?
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Jim Bakker's Blue Skin Ointment w/ bonus Amoeba Pot, $88 |
Zach announces a Silver Sol package for $600, then Sasha announces a case of 50 for $900. These packages come with Neti Pots. Why hasn't Jim told us the scary stories involving Neti Pots and brain-eating amoebas? Hasn't he heard about
the people who have died after using them? It's strange to think that nobody on that stage has heard about the Neti Pot amoebas, and it makes me wonder if Jim's hiding the truth a little bit there so as not to cut into his own product sales. Blue skin coloring and brain-eating amoebas...that's two strikes against this Silver Sol package already. Yet Jim Bakker is still selling it with no mention at all about these serious risks? Doesn't sound very honest to me,
Pastor Bakker.
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Lori says "Wow!" while Jim gulps air |
We're out of the commercial and back to the Junk Man Show with Jim Bakker. Jim asks a question designed to lead Whaley into a product demonstration, but the Junk Man's having none of it. These are direct quotes:
Jim: “I've read that you help street people stay warm...One of the biggest problems people are going to have is when the power goes out. How do you keep from freezing?”
Junk Man: “Let's go to the street first.”
Jim: “Okay.”
Jim just has to sit there and take it. He's on the couch, leaning on his knee and staring at Whaley, but he's powerless to do anything. The old coot just keeps going on. For her part, Lori loves listening to this guy. She turns to the camera and mouths the word 'Wow!' as Whaley talks.
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Whaley grabs his papers as Jim dreams of a happy place |
Uh oh, Whaley just stepped over into la-la land. Now he's talking governmental conspiracy against the poor, the homeless, and the 'working people'. He's using the fingers on his hands to count off each targeted group. Jim, you need to step in and stop this now. A man uncovering conspiracy at this level is a man that the government will do everything to silence. The FBI probably has a file as a thick as a book on this Whaley character, hell there's probably agents in your audience right now keeping tabs on him. You don't need this kind of heat Jim, you don't need it!
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The Junk Kook spices things up with conspiracy talk |
Whaley has now reached for a stack of papers to expose a Senate Bill designed, according to the Junk Kook, to outlaw people from growing gardens. Lori's little mind has been blown by this conspiracy. We hear her off-camera saying, "Unbelievable. Unbelievable". With his stack of papers in one hand, Whaley employs use of his other hand to count off even more targeted groups. He's talking farming, saying something about us controlling the food. He then says, '
Guess who else we control?' Then bam, an edit arrives just in time. Just in time to
save Whaley's life, and possibly everyone at Morningside. Whatever information he had was bound to uncover conspiracy at the highest levels of government. They will stop at nothing, Bill, nothing. Now I understand why you live 'off the grid'.
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The Junk Kook's audio was cut. What secrets did he expose? |
The edit was abrupt, and now it goes straight to Bakker. Jim feeds into Whaley's conspiracy a little bit, talking about some weird government crackdown on an Amish farmer selling raw milk. The camera shows Whaley with a smirk on his face while he points to his papers and speaks, but there's no sound because it's an edit job. Wow, I wonder how long he droned on for before the kids cut him off in the editing room? How much more conspiracy is lying on the Jim Bakker Show cutting room floor? Maybe Jim Bakker himself is part of the conspiracy to silence the Junk Kook...you ever think of that one, Bill?
Finally, Bakker has taken back a little control. He moves from the Amish farmer straight into Lori's House, telling us that he's being called 'evil' for building a home to save babies. No Jim, that's not why you are called evil. You are called evil because you prey on the elderly and mentally-incompetent, earning their trust specifically so you can take their money. You are called evil not because you are building a home to save babies, Jim, but because you lie about why people call you evil.
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Bakker: 'Oh my God, I've invited a lunatic onto my show.' |
Jim turns back to Bill and pleads with him, “
We can't get political. They'll put me away, Bill.” That's Jim's way of saying, 'Knock off the soapbox shit and get to the trinkets'. Bakker asks the Junk Kook how we can stay warm if the power grid goes down. Hey Bill, I'll take this one for you. Jim, the secret is layers. Thermals, jackets, whatever you have in the closet. You know the way you're dressed when you go outside in the cold? Just dress like that inside. Add a blanket if you need to. Burn some wood in a fireplace, maybe even roast some marshmallows! Next question please.
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Whaley pouts after Jim shoots down his conspiracy theory |
The Junk Kook was still thumbing the pages of his conspiracy documents when Jim told him to knock it off. I'm pretty sure he's pissed off now because he's acting like a bratty child who was just told to sit still at a Christmas party. He's back to flopping his hands up and down on the arms of his chair, and he has a little smirk on his face. Bill Whaley, a sixty-something man who once flew choppers in Vietnam, is pouting.
The Junk Kook doesn't like being silenced. Without neighbors, he pretty much lives in silence all the time save for his dumpster divin' wife. Deep down inside, I think what Bill Whaley wants are friends, people to talk to and people to listen. Unfortunately, years of living like a mountain man have made him strange. Picking through garbage is strange. Dreaming up conspiracy is strange. If he were a kid, he could break out of that strangeness bubble and live normally like everyone else. But the Junk Kook is already into his sixties. There's no changing a man who's had that much time to become weird. So, the Junk Kook's inner desire for friendship will never be satisfied unless he finds a friend who is also strange. And that'll just make him weirder.
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Bill Whaley angrily snatches bag off table |
Since the Junk Kook is pouting, he didn't accept Jim's first invitation to tell us all how to keep warm. Now Jim has to really prod him into action. Jim chooses his words carefully, saying “
You have so many things, I don't know which ones you want to go to first. Do you want me to pick or do you want to tell me?” That bratty child who was told to sit down is now being told to pick a present and open it while everyone watches. Whaley angrily snatches an empty plastic bread bag off the table. This guy is cracking me up, he's really pissed off that Jim told him to stop with the conspiracy crap. He hoists the bag over his head and, in a condescending tone, asks everyone on stage what they would do with it. He has such a look of disdain on his face as he asks this, he's just dying to point his finger at everyone on stage and call them dummies.
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Bill Whaley: 'I'm holding gasoline in my hand you dummies.' |
After a pause, Bakker says he would throw the bag away. Kevin follows the leader and says he would throw it away too. At this point, I think they want to throw Bill Whaley away with the bag too. The Junk Kook looks down his nose at us and says, “
I'm holding gasoline in my hand.” Kevin Shorey feigns shock at this announcement, and Whaley reiterates that the plastic bag can be converted to gasoline. He once again holds his prized plastic bag up, and then we get a very long, awkward pause. I thought my DVR froze, but nope that's just the deafening sound of silence on stage. Whaley has completely killed any amount of viewer interest in him with his pouting act, and now he's going nuts with the bread bag. Everyone, and I mean every single person on that stage, is on the defensive with him. They've all now realized that he's a lunatic.
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Whaley's 'latex glove': The bane of canines everywhere. |
The plastic bag is not just gasoline, Whaley tells us. It's also a latex glove that can be used to pick up dog 'droppings'. I'm very suspicious of this statement, Bill. Out in my neck of the woods, we don't associate latex gloves with dog crap. We associate them with people crap, and more specifically, the holes where the people crap comes from. Are you bread-bagging your hands and giving rectal examinations out there in 'off-the-grid' land? And who are you examining? There are exactly two people in those woods where you live, plus one unlucky dog. Please don't tell me you're...I just...
don't you dare hurt that dog, Bill.
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Bill Whaley's dog being inspected for worms |
Whaley goes on about the multi-use bread bag. He uses it to store butchered chickens in the freezer, and god knows what else. He also puts his skid-marked underwear, ratty t-shirts and mismatched socks in the bag so they don't get wet. What about bread, Bill, do you ever put bread in the bag?
Bill wears the bags on his feet in the wintertime. He says he puts them on his feet, then puts socks over them to keep his feet warm. You're a military man, Bill. Isn't that a recipe for trench foot? Or do you use the water generated by your sweaty, suffocating feet for brushing your teeth?
Whaley ends his childish tirade by asking a question. With his prized bag once again held up with both hands and a voice filled with utter contempt, he turns to Jim and Lori and asks, “Why would I throw it away?” As he asks, he jingles the bag ends so that the plastic makes noise.
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Jim talks Whaley down off the ledge as Lori daydreams |
Jim got a lot more than he bargained for with this guest. Jim is sweating, oh man is he sweating. He moves to a new question, and as he poses it he sounds like a psychiatrist trying to keep a wild-eyed mental patient from setting himself on fire.
Bakker is really shaken. He says, “Bill, what you're telling us is we can use the things around us to survive. We don't have to lay down and die.” Whaley is folding the plastic bag into a neat square as Jim speaks. Bakker looks to the audience for applause and gets it, and then we see Jim with a look of worry on his face as he gulps down a mouthful of air. Disaster averted, but what's up next?
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Bill Whaley loves knowing more about garbage than we do |
Whaley has lightened up now. The tension was cut by the applause, and now Bill Whaley feels respected again. He grabs another piece of garbage, an empty spaghetti sauce jar. Actually, I wouldn't classify this one as garbage if you have liquids you want to store. It depends on the liquid, of course. I might use it for pickled eggs, while the Junk Kook might use it for urine bombs. Let's see.
God, Whaley is so obnoxious. He has a way of speaking that is demeaning to all around him. Lori picks up on it subconsciously, because now she's referring to him as 'sir'. He's an asshole without justification. He tells all of us dummies that we can use the sauce jar as a measuring cup. He also says that we can use it to serve drinks in. He suggests giving it to children to drink from, so if they break it they “don't break your good stuff.” You know what I would use your glass jar for, Bill? A baseball. I would tee that sucker right up, then shatter it into a million unusable pieces with a baseball bat. Oh hey, give me that bread bag too, it'll make a great noise maker. Just blow it up full of air, hold the open side closed, then clap your hands together quickly. Pop!
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A frozen Jim Bakker tries to figure a way out of this debacle |
Jim is frozen solid on the couch. Lori reacts well to assholes, she likes that sort of leadership, but Jim doesn't. He's not quite sure what to do here.
Now the Junk Kook grabs a 2-liter bottle that he chopped in half. It's not chopped well, it looks like he hacked it in half with a butter knife or clipped it down with nail clippers. I also can't rule out the possibility that he had his wife bite through it. Whaley is finding his groove now. He leans back in the chair and asks, “
What can you do with a 2-liter bottle?” See that's the problem, Bill, it's the way you introduce your items. Stop asking us what we can do with your garbage and just show us instead.
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Plastic bottle that Whaley's wife bit in half |
You ask us questions that you think we can't answer in order to make us feel small. But it's not that we can't answer them, it's that we don't really care. You deal in garbage, the stuff I toss out with a smile on my face. Whenever I have to go back into my garbage to find something that was thrown out accidentally, I don't smile. I grimace and I hold my nose, and sometimes I even ask my wife for help because it's so disgusting to me. When you pose questions designed to make people feel dumb for not knowing the ins-and-outs of the garbage heap, you fail in your quest for friendship. Normal people don't like that.
From the 2-liter bottle, Whaley says he can make a water filter, ice holder, and funnel. Bakker breaks free from his daze and jumps on the funnel idea. Jim grabs the funnel from the table and tells us how we could use it to add gas to our cars if we needed to. Does Jim not know that gas cans come with spouts? I'll go one further: Does Jim not know that funnels can be purchased for a couple dollars at Home Depot? With the dollar Jim gave Lori earlier in the show, they're already halfway down the road to funnel ownership. See how easy that is, Jim?
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Papa Whaley took little Jimmy's funnel toy away from him |
Whaley isn't having any of Jim's gas-can funnel crap. He takes the funnel away from Bakker like a parent taking scissors from a toddler and completely ignores Jim's suggestion. I get the feeling that the Junk Man is thinking, 'Thanks for humoring us buddy, but let's leave the survival stuff
to the experts.' Jim was still talking as Whaley took the funnel back from him, he even looked to his audience for support while stammering out, “
Isn't that a good..good idea?” I hate to say it, but I'm actually starting to pull for Bakker in this fight. Whaley's a total jackass and needs to be put in his place. If Bill were an ass because he doesn't like Bakker, I'd be on his side. He isn't though. Bill Whaley's an ass because Bill Whaley's an ass.
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"...teach a man to fish, feed him for a lifetime." |
Ugh, the Junk Man tells us something about poking holes in the bottle, stitching it with twine, and adding bread crumbs to make a 'minnow catcher' for fishing. What happened to you out there in that Vietnamese jungle, Bill? What did you see that's got you so spooked? You're back home in America now, Bill. You don't need to do this, we are friendlies and you are safe. You can go to the store and buy bait from an honest man who is happy to sell to you. Hell, you can even skip the bait and just buy a fish! Don't worry, you will not encounter any VC here. No land mines, no crushed glass in your Pepsi. Just relax sir and calm down. Now please tell me: Are you carrying any knives or other weapons on your person right now?
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'Wait 'till the Feds get a load of my urine bombs, muhahaha!' |
Whaley is still obsessing over the bottle. He's showing us how he can add one of his black-painted glass bottles inside the larger plastic bottle, fill one of the two with soup (I don't know which), and cook the soup outside in the sun. As he's configuring this thing, it's making all kinds of annoying ripping and tearing noises as he tries to fit everything together. Why Bill? Why would I waste my time? What you are showing us is so unimportant, it really is. If I had a choice between doing all that menial crap to sun-cook my soup, or just eating cold soup...I'll eat cold soup, Bill. Really, I would.
[Bill Whaley] [showing me how to configure the soup cooker] "So you just take this piece here and add this part...wait, hold on, I think I'm missing something."
[Ron] [eyes glossing over] "It's okay Bill, I don't need all that stuff. I'll just eat it cold."
[Bill Whaley] [shock bordering on offense] "Cold soup? Who wants to eat cold soup!? Just gimme a second, there's a piece missing. We'll get your soup cooking in no time!"
[Ron] [looks at watch] "Bill, it's...it's fine. Can I have my soup back please?
[Bill Whaley] [red-faced and aggressive] "No you cannot have your soup back please, I haven't shown you how to heat it yet! Just give me a second."
[Ron] "These aren't seconds anymore, these are minutes now and I'm hungry."
Bill growls threateningly.
[Ron] [laughing] "Why are you getting so upset?"
[Bill Whaley] [screaming] "I'm not upset!"
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Bill Whaley rubs his 40-grit palms together |
Jim refers to Whaley's soup-warming contraption as a 'solar cooker'. I'm not sure that 'cooker' is the right word as I don't think anyone will be sizzling bacon in it anytime soon, but whatever. It gets hot, wow. Bill also says we can take a sand-filled soda can, paint it black, then set it in the sun to make a hand warmer. Ahhh, Bill knows just how to make things nice and cozy on those crisp Ozark mornin's. Bill really lays it on us thick with the hand warmer, even rubbing his hands together as he describes it. The sound his hands make when rubbed together are like sandpaper on a wood deck. Don't let the dumpy looks fool you, because the Junk Man isn't all about business: He's pleasure too.
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The Junk Kook snaps rubber band off yet more garbage |
Jim asks Bill what else he has for show-and-tell. I hope this is over soon because my Bill Whaley Junk-O-Meter is running into the red zone. I'm very near to experiencing a junk overdose, and I'm considering buying a furnace for all of my garbage to prevent it from falling into the hands of the other Bill Whaleys of the world.
Bill asks one of the Master's Media kids to pass him a piece of garbage that's out of reach. It's yet another crinkly piece of plastic. If this guy lived next door to me, he would drive me bonkers. I recycle. I have plastic and glass bottles wrapped up in bags on the side of my house, not stacked, just lying out there nice and clean, awaiting the few times each year when I have time to unload it all at the recycling center. If Bill lived next door, I just know that guy would be breaking my balls every couple weeks or so, asking if he could have my plastic. I'd have to tell him no, but then I'd realize that he's looking at my house and probably rooting through my garbage at night when I'm sleeping. I'd be powerless to stop him. It would drive me nuts.
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The Junk Tornado unwraps loudly while Lori tries to speak |
Whatever Whaley's next piece of garbage is, he has it encased in a plastic bag. Is that to keep it clean? He snaps off two rubber bands from the bag and starts unraveling the treasure inside. Meanwhile, Lori is talking, or at least trying to talk. She's saying something about the Master's Media kids, but Bill keeps driving on with his unpacking. He's like a Junk Tornado: All we see and hear is the crinkling of plastic, rubber bands snapping, and cups or pieces of cups flying about. Whaley's in his zone now, he has no time for Lori's child's play and small talk. Lori's voice trails off as she completes her sentence and stares at Bill, then we all listen and watch for a few awkward seconds as the Junk Tornado finishes unpacking. The ball is back in Whaley's court now.
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Bill Whaley struggling to snug his water filter down tight |
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This is a coffee creamer bottle. I just cut the bottom off of it." Whaley's face is glowing, he loves this stuff. "
I went down to Walmart for $7 and bought me one of those Brita pitcher filters." Bill then drops one of those 'Brita pitcher filters' into his creamer bottle. It's a near perfect fit. Bill pulls down hard on the other end of the filter, you can see the strain on his face as he snugs the filter into the plastic bottle and seats it. He holds it up for us to see and declares proudly, "
Now I got a water filter that'll filter 40 gallons of water anywhere I want to go with it." Bill, my good man...what you call a water filter, I call a smoking gun. Did you know that Jim Bakker actually sells expensive Seychelle water filters for over 3 times the price you just mentioned? In fact, the chair your sitting in was probably still warm from Dr Seychelle's last visit! Don't know who Dr Seychelle is, Bill? Well let me describe him for you, you might like him!
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Detective Bill Whaley holds the smoking gun for all to see |
First off,
Dr Seychelle is not really a doctor at all, but Jim insists on calling him one and the fake doctor doesn't seem to mind. His real name is Carl Palmer. He has a face full of plastic surgery, is the CEO of a multi-million dollar company, and has what might be called a 'trophy wife' who operates as a 'Holistic Dental Hygienist'. That sound like your kinda' people, Bill? Or can I just call you 'Dr Whaley'...it'll make people trust you more!
You want conspiracy, Bill, well you just got one. A real one this time. You are now in competition with the fake Dr Seychelle and his froggy little buddy, Jim Bakker. You are on a show whose sole intent is to sell product. You, Bill, with all your quirks, are still at heart trying to help people. If you thought that's what Jim Bakker was about, you've made a mistake. The Jim Bakker Show is designed for product-sales, not people-helping. Showing people how to make a cheap water filter is a noble effort on your part, but in Jim's calculating mind, why would he give people something for free when he can charge them for it instead?
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Jim got away from the $7 water filter real quick |
Jim's subdued response to Bill's water filter: "
Oh my lamb." Bakker had no idea this was going to happen and I can see the wheels turning in his mind, trying to figure out how to brush this under the rug as fast as possible without people catching on. We get one more sentence from Bill before edit: "
That's how simple it is to have good clean water." Jim says, haltingly, "
It really is. What's next?" Lori is next to Jim with a smile plastered on her face, but I can see her little mind chugging along as well. I'm pretty sure she caught on to the water filter fiasco too, but hell for all I know she's daydreaming about sex and crack-pipes. You never really know with Lori...one minute she's thinking about abortion, the next minute she's thinking about balloons.
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Biker Chick Max tries to remember how much Jim's filters cost |
As I said, a heavy edit took place here. The next time we see Bill he's snapping a rubber band back onto the plastic-covered water filter set that took him so long to unwrap earlier. No statement on this, Pastor Bakker? Shouldn't you be suggesting to us all that we save our money on pricey Seychelle filters and just build Dr Whaley's $7 filters instead?
We're back to Jim's first question about how to keep people warm, and Bakker once again refers to homeless people as 'street people'. Whaley grabs a large tin can and starts pulling metal objects out of it while Jim is still talking. Clank, clink, clunk. I know you're off the grid Bill, but I think someone is eventually going to find you out there because of all the noise you make. Do you get a lot of hungry bears out your way?
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Bill Whaley removes small metal can from large metal can |
The Junk Man is glowing again. I get the feeling he could talk junk, garbage and scavenging all day and night, then continuing on into the morning. Bill Whaley fails among men, but at the garbage heap he reigns supreme. Bill grabs Jim's sharpie, the same one used to write on Zach's forehead, and draws a square on the tin can. He tells us that we can cut out the square of tin, bend it over a stick, and 'put a nail through it' to make a frying pan. I have to say, when Bil grabbed the Zach sharpie and started drawing I was expecting a little more from him then a piece of tin attached to a stick. Let's throw that one out Bill, it's sort of lame. Even a gorilla could figure that one out. And by gorilla, I mean Zach Drew.
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'Scuse me brother, any sausage cans to spare? |
If we want to make a heater instead, Bill tells us to add a couple inches of dirt or sand to the tin can. Then we take a Vienna Sausage tin can, add wax and some pipe cleaners to make a candle. Bill, this one's even more lame. Where am I going to find an empty Vienna Sausage can? Do I need to find a hobo in a train car and rifle through his plaid knapsack while he's passed out drunk? And if I already have wax, wouldn't I also
already have a candle? Bill, did you know they make things called
tealight candles that can be purchased for less than a
twenty cents a piece? You need to get out more and stop handling so much garbage, I think all the toxic metals have started to turn your brain into pudding.
Bill's still driving on with his candle heater. He tells us to place the sausage-can candle into the big tin can, then take a "
big 62 oz juice can", poke holes in it and place it over the top of this unwieldy contraption to make a tiny, ineffective heater. I wouldn't even know what a 62 oz juice can looks like, but Bill has the sucker memorized. You've been hanging around the garbage heap for far too long Bill. Here's a life tip: If you converse with more rodents each day than people, then you need a serious change of lifestyle. It's not healthy for your mind.
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Jim asked the Junk Kook for his thoughts on the economy |
Bakker wants some fear-mongering from Whaley to close the show with. Jim asks the Junk Kook, a man completely unqualified to give answers on, well, anything, if he thinks the dollar is going to 'totally collapse'. Whaley says that this year the 'financial institution' is going to hit everybody and it's going to hit us hard. Jim Bakker, of course, loves hearing the unqualified Bill Whaley predict economic disaster. He looks to the audience and says, "
Now listen to what he's saying people. This is what I've been trying to warn you and warn you and warn you..."
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I'll get by just fine without your plastic bread bag, Bill |
Finally, the show winds down. Bakker asks Whaley to address the critics who call his gimmick stupid. Whaley tells us "
your dollar's gettin' littler every day", and asks, "
What happens when you can't buy this?" Bill, if I'm so stupid that I can't figure out how to stay warm with all the extra clothes in my closet, or how to crack open a can of Campbell's soup and eat it, then I guess I'll just die. That really sums it up for me, I'd rather lose out and die then spend my life living in fear of ridiculous things like roving gangs, dying of thirst, starving, or freezing to death. I'm not a settler on the frontier.
But let's be honest here: The scary world you describe is not going to happen in our lifetime. We don't live in Sudan, we live in America. Among other things, we have police, military, business, and multiple layers of government filled with fellow citizens who have a vested interest in keeping everything under control. The doom-speakers and fear-mongers like Jim Bakker know this too. That's why they take cold hard cash as payment for their products and speaking engagements. They prey on dimwits who've been watching too many scary movies. Think about it for a second: if Jim Bakker really thought the world was going to fall apart, wouldn't he be doing something to prevent it instead of
catering to it?
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How much did Jim Bakker pay for your integrity, Bill? |
Bakker ends the show with one final pitch for his Wheat Buckets. The high hopes I had for Bill Whaley's integrity have now vanished, because Jim tells us that every $100 Wheat Bucket sold today comes with a free DVD of the Junk Kook in action. We see Bill sitting in his chair, twiddling his thumbs and smiling as if he just swallowed a canary. Bill must be thinking that he pulled a fast one over on Jim, but believe me Bill, the only one pulling a fast one in this relationship is Jim Bakker. You are a tadpole swimming with the largest toad in the swamp, and he's been swimming in this swamp for years.
The show ends, then we get a five-minute commercial for foodbuckets.
2,815 comments:
«Oldest ‹Older 2201 – 2400 of 2815 Newer› Newest»Why not turn the lake house into Lori's house? It's already a tax exempt church property.
Also, I think it's degrading to say that these pregnant women are going to learn life skills like waitressing and cashiering. That's an easy skill to come by. Most of us probably have that skill. How about something a little more sustainable and lucrative, like mechanics or cosmetology. That's a career and not just a J-O-B. Oh wait - they can only learn jobs they can work for free at Morningside.
Or better yet, if there's so much potential in chrisitan broadcasting, why not have all those girls attend Master's Media?
Troll Zombie 7:42
Very good idea! Lori can live there, and cook the girls meals....its a win/win situation.
I'm a Christian and have tried to not judge and love.
That said, I believe if you are running a ministry you need to be totally up front.
Most likely, the Morningside condo Jim and Lori live in is in the name of the church. Jim can't own property. If thats the case, then thats one home provided by the church. Pokeberry is absolutely in the church's name. How can you ask for money for Lori's House while letting the ministry buy you 2 homes?
I dont know the Bakker's hearts.
I'm not going to judge...however...
given the past, I would think they would not want to look the least bit shady.
In looking at a bakker episode something was said very openly that could potentially viewed as money laundering. I wont mention the episode but I'm shocked it wasnt edited out. If the IRS or state of MO sees it, could be hard to explain
The form 990 that was mentioned in earlier posts is the only way for real transparency.
CBN (which Jim loves to mention) could easily try to claim church exemption ie they have a chapel etc but they dont. They go with tax exempt, dont claim church exemption and do file the 990. it shows al the salaries, expenses, revenue from donations, etc. for example, i think Gordon Robertson's salary was like 300,000 (dont recall exact amount). Revenue was in the hundreds of millions and the salaries were all in line with an organization of that size. Not to veer into CBN too much, they have had criticism over some business deals in the past but they file the 990 and make the basic key items visible, salaries, revenue, expenses, etc.
If the Morningside students are still reading this....Jim can easily maintain all non profit status but open his books by filing as a non profit not a church non profit.
BTW---Looked at the local Branson paper's coverage of the Bakkers. Nothing against the paper but their story about sales tax showed that the reporter may not have grasped the bigger picture of the ministry being having tax exempt status on the foodbuckets, tents, on air items. sales tax is most likely being generated through the General store, condo rentals (which dont rent through the ministry)
Key Items
1. Why doesn't Morningside the tv ministry follow CBN and others and file as a non proft with a publicly available form 990?
2. Without a 990, we dont know who (the minstry?) pays for the Morningside condo. Be open about the ownership
3. Explain why you are soliciting donations for Lori's House when you allowed the minstry to purchase a Lake House for you
4. did the minstry pay for the Bakker family pool?
Have been watching the shows with magazine/book publisher Strang and the rabbi.
It doesn't surprise me that Strang has gotten involved with Bakker. He led his main magazine, Charisma, on a campaign to defend the sleazy zillionaire Paul Crouch of TBN - who paid off a young guy $$$$$ to cover up an "alleged" homosexual encounter.
That's when I quit subscribing. It had become a lousy magazine anyway, but that was the last straw for me.
I don't know if the rabbi is honest - kind of doubt it if he's teamed up with the other two. But Bakker and Strang make a perfect rogue's gallery.
I boycott Strang's publications (magazines and books). I recommend that action to anyone reading this.
Rabbi, if you are reading this. You seem like a decent, though somewhat delusional guy. Detach yourself from these two scoundrels.
to the anon. person, You should pick a screen name and go with it. I sometimes feel that people who post big anon. dialogs are afraid. Pick a name and stay with it, it helps your case. Just looking out for you.
To Johnny Appleseed, You are the Bakker cult follower who supports this gay con artist so I would suggest you not give anyone here any advice at all since you are stupid in the head for massaging the testicles of your hero as you are probably doing in between posting to this site.
About the pool, it was said by another poster, apparently familiar with Morningside, here quite some time ago that the pool was paid for with church funds.
About the condo, perhaps it is possibly put in the name of "New Covenent Fellowship" as a "parsonage" for that name and Pokeberry is under the name of "Morningside Church, Inc" for a parsonage for that name. This is just one way Bakker could have two homes completely paid for by the church. Also, maybe Crawford owns the condo and the church rents it from him but I would doubt that. You know Jim. He lived in that condo for almost three years before Pokeberry was purchased so you know it must have been paid for by the church that entire time.
About the Rabbi, he has something for sale, as all Bakker guests do, and Bakker has sold a lot of copies of that book so it is doubtful the Rabbi would ever distance himself from Jim.
Anon@1257pm
Yes, Johnny Appleseed is a Bakker believer but he is also not afraid to point out Bakker's failings too. I think Johnny was just trying in his own way to encourage you to use a screen name that's all ... no harm in that.
Other than that you have made some very good observations.
Again as always, the Kool-aid Kid hit the nail squarely on the head. I'm not a Bakker follower, I could care less about Bakker. Put it this way; if Bakker's show went off the air or if Bakker got sent up, it would not ruin my appetite in the least. If I do agree with Bakker at times, it because on that particular "issue" I might see his point. Or agree on it. Wow, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
I echo the sentiment with the Lori Lamb items.
I will buy a lamb item IF the Bakker's sell the lake home to show their desire to save babies
Is there a way to create an Internet site or blog to inform people that the Jim and Lori Bakker have a ministry owned lake home that can be sold to help fund Lori's house?
If the New Madrid fault splits, won't that cause a tidal wave in the lake Pokeberry sits on?
Sell it now please
I really hope the ministry didn't pay for Little Lori's honeymoon. She went to Hawaii and stayed in a VERY nice beach house. I also saw pics of Lori and the girls in Rome.
With the end times coming, shouldn't they have been home checking the food buckets and trying the tents out?
If we get too carry the Bakker's will write us off.
I guess the main goal is to get Lori to show where her heart is and SELL Pokeberry.
I will totally buy a Lori Lamb if she sells that Pokeberry lake house.
Btw--to the veterans here, do you think Lori reads the posts and if not is she advised as to what's being said?
Will the Bakker's sell Pokeberry and sow a seed into Lori's House?
Lori?
Great response Johnny! I will try my best not to bend any nails. ;)
December 12, 2011 is where the first mention of the Pokeberry paid for by ministry house and pool hidden behind facade appeared.
That post also said Jim is mean to employees.
That person must have been insider.
If you are still reading posts please give us an update
This Rabbi "Brutus" Con speaks so fast that I cant understand half of what he is saying. What I can hear is so convoluted that it makes no sense.
I dont want to hear about the past, tell us what's going to happen in the future and be specific with events and dates...
There were numerous posts in the past by people who were thought to be Morningside students.
If they were students were they briefing the Bakker's about the blog?
Who needs 2 houses within a few miles of one another?
The Bakker's need to sow into Lori's House ASAP by selling Pokeberry.
Is there a way to really get the message to Lori? Maybe via Facebook?
Selling the lake house would totally show that Lori really stands behind her love of babies.
Tanya....
Do you agree with the suggestion that Lori Bakker sell her Pokeberry ministry paid for home and use the funds for Lori's House?
The Rabbi is a good man. He believes in his sermons. He believes in Jesus. I would like to hear more of what he says. At least he's knowledgable. BTW, what happened to Zach? I miss that big guy. I suppose he might be involved in the more practical business aspect of morningside. Learning the ropes, the administrative portions.
Don't get this "sell the Pokeberry house" thing. Hey, these people are crooks! do you honestly think they are going to compromise their opulent lifestyles?
That's just pissing into the wind.
They think they are DUE lavish lifestyles. Remember they are special - at least in their own crazy, evil minds!
I'd have more success getting my dachshunds to try to do calculus equations.
The Rabbi may be a good salesman but thats about it.
Zach is on vacation back home and will be back soon.
Anon "I see stupid people" @439pm
The Rabbi is a promoter of himself and other "Nostradamus" seers within his circle and also idiots like Bakker.
You miss chubby man child Zach? Poor you zombie. Tell you what, pour a big glass of kool-aid and watch your little bakker prophet on youtube right here:
videohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpdCcaFOuH0&feature=related
How's that for being practical and business like?
So the poster that says his wiener dog can do calculus....are you saying Operation Sell Pokeberry to fund Lori's House isn't likely to work?
You would think maybe they'd be afraid to keep asking for money to build Lori's House when they've already used ministry money to buy another house.
Wonder if the neighbors on Pokeberry like Jim and Lori?
I mean the Lori's house neighbors weren't happy but over on Pokeberry maybe they have block parties?
At first I would imagine the neighbours to the Pokeberry Bakker "cabin" wondered why the lady there was always hanging out with her grandfather.
Maybe I'm wrong here, but I thought the term "Rabbi" implied that you were Jewish, and if you're Jewish, you don't believe that Jesus was the Messiah God promised? Can you be Christian and Jewish at the same time?
Someone at Morningside must be pissed as only an insider would have known about the pool that the "Feed Store" was hiding it.
Its like Jim is back at PTL. he had the Tega Cay lake house and the Heritage Grand Presidential Suite. Now he has the condo with its oen pool (normnally hard to have a condo with your own private pool) and he has the Pokeberry lake house
I hope a news organization with the ability to grasp this story will write a story about the ministry owned pokeberry, condo w/pool and other excesses.
MAYBE that will scare Jim into getting his shit together.
I really think Grandma Char could face sone serious consequences if laws are being broken.
Does anyone know her story preJim?
Has the blog ever covered Tamara Crawford? She is Jerry Crawford's daughter. She seems to want to be the Khardashian type but shes in Branson. She is VERY Branson.
No doubt, if Jim is fighting his bi urges Tamara's hubby isnt helping. He's a beefy big boy who could easily toss Zach.
BTW-The crawford's had a huge birthday paty for Jerry in the Tabernacle. It was a cowboy themed deal.
I think the neighbors on Pokeberry may now be scratching their heads as well wondering why Jim and Lori need money for Lori's house when they aka the ministry shelled out big for a lake house
Nice and shady of Jim to built the "Feed Store" facade to hide the pool. Sort of like lieing, cuz its really more like a pool house...bastard
.....how does a non profit ministry write off a pool?
.....how does a non profit ministry write off a lake home?
.....how does a non profit ministry write off new cars and trucks?
.....how does a non profit ministry write off a speed boat?
.....how does a non profit ministry write off fancy weddings for the ministers daughters?
.....how does a non ministry write off paved roads to nowhere?
.....how does a non profit ministry write off vacations?
.....how does a non profit ministry write off buying a condo for a daughter? Should we say daughters, or does this daddy play dirty and have favorites?
hmmmmm......................
Please, do not be taken in by the perception that morningside has spent over 500,000.00 dollars to build Lori's house as this is not true.
Yes, I have back up to my comment.
Have you thought about switching this blog to a Facebook page?? There would be no more anon posts, everyone would be accountable for their posts. You would have thousands of followers and it would be easier to view all the comments. Just my 2 cents...
This story is so ripe for a reporter.
Bakker is THE guy who gave tv preachers a black eye.
He has once again created a juicy story.
A shot of the "Feed Store" and helicopter shot of the pool would be a great opener. Follow that with a trip to Pokeberry via boat and its an Emmy for nod for some agency.
The IRS used thousands of hours of PTL video to get Jim in the first trial.
This time around it would be equally easy. I saw one very memorable moment w/ Cameron.
Jim said he told Grandma Char to write Cameron a check for $100,000.
This is very signifigant since Jim has legally has no executive role in the business. I think the IRS would look at that and say "ok, YOU are telling us she runs this place but YOU tell Her to cut $100,000 checks" I assume thats some form of fraud.
Piut aside the Joe C poster....aside from that person....do we know if in fact anyone near the Lori's house site complained? What evidence did Bakker offer? I wonder if his claims about neighbors bitching were an attempt to delay the start of construction. In doing so he can keep raising money without spending any on construction.
Hello, Amexblackcard: intriguing idea, encourage Jim and Lori to sell one of their properties/assets (the cabin, the boat, who knows what else) to help fund Lori's House. Such action would demonstrate true commitment to their project, and go a long way towards cleaning up their tarnished image.
I'm comfortable predicting that Jim and Lori Bakker will never part with their lakeside home, their boat, or any other ministry-funded perks - not even to save babies.
Jim would much rather sell a couple of stuffed toys and a trinket for $1000. He would also like to angrily question why people don't just die already and leave him all their money, rather than leaving money to state schools. In other words, he would much rather have other people give him money.
On a whim, I dropped by the Jim Bakker Show website - I checked it out before and knew you could leave comments. Not anymore, all the comments have been removed from Jim and Lori's blogs.
The comments already had to be approved - when I last saw the comments on their blogs they were all positive to an extent that I felt assured screening was going on. Now they are just... gone.
They already screened the comments, and chose over-the-top positive ones. I recall thinking one regular commenter reminded me of TBC, only with the switch flipped to "positive."
Things are shifting: comments removed from the official show website, videos removed from the students' YouTube channel, and the students' ridiculous introduction videos made private.
Someone seems to be working on changing the image of Jim Bakker and his associated projects.
And is it just me, or have the Bakker-supporters been quite quiet since all the talk about taxes, financial transparency, and selling assets to fund Lori's House?
Someone may also be working on keeping the students/Morningside-supporters in-line.
Based on a number of coincidences I have noticed since I began posting here, I believe there are people who read this blog and its comments and funnel information to Jim Bakker. And, I'll go one step further: I suspect that now there may be one person in particular who is tasked with keeping up-to-speed on what is said here.
So, to that someone (and I think we know a recent hire who is a candidate for being that someone)- how about it? I've gone on record saying it won't happen, prove me wrong. Convince Jim and Lori to sell something, anything, to fund Lori's House. Lori always says the toy lambs are cuddly, soft, and perfect for babies - so hold onto the toys for the babies you will save. They'll make perfect gifts for Lori's Little Lambs.
Tonya,
Your posts are so...PERFECT
If I ever buy a lake house in Lampe Mo on Pokeberry you are more than welcome to come over.
I'm building a pool too.
Shh, its hidden behind the building thats marked "Feed Store"
Well we know Jim has recreated his Tega Cay with Pokeberry and the infamous Heritage USA Presidential suite (scene of the David Taggert testicle massage)with his Grace St condo but....what else did Jim love? SLAVES! Jim had Don Hardister (head of security) and a team of guards on call for every task short of ass wiping. They ran errands, washed cars, etc. Picture the staff a Saudi Sheikh would have and you get the picture. That said, wonder who Jim has in that capacity now? You know he isnt the type to handle the boat or any sort of physical labor over at Pokeberry. I imagine at the condo ricky could be pool boy and keep the chlorine levels up but not sure if he has other staff.
NOW, why do I ask? Well...I'll tell you. Part of that big ass IRS tab Jim pays out of his 400.00 a week is due to having this staff wiping his sweet ass. The IRS looked back and said these people had value and added to his already huge salary and as such they slapped jim with a tax bill.
I assume now he just has people do things like vacum the cars and clean the pool for free but i dont know...so someone out there knows let us know...or the IRS
Tanya's post was really spot on.
If Jim and Lori take the step of selling the lake house or anything of value to help fund Lori's House it will be a sign they REALLY care about unborn babies.
The complete lack of financial transparency is another area that the Bakkers could easily address.
This could prove to be very interesting.
Good evening everyone!
Well, a lot has gone on since I last posted and I see there is a brand new campaign going on to get the Bakkers to sell the Pokeberry Lane $300,000+ “cabin” and use those funds to build Lori’s House. All I can say is “Good Luck!” on that one! Jim and his wife are extremely selfish people who are used to exploiting the church’s funds for their own good and I very seriously doubt that would ever happen.
Someone else brought up the fact that Bakker instructed Grandma Char to cut a $100,000 check to Flip Cameron, despite Bakker only being a $400 a week take home pay employee, who has said that he is dependent on Social Security to live. The reason he says he is so dependent is because, to quote his exact words:
“You all don’t pay me a lot around here!”
It was on the very same broadcast, I believe, that Bakker also said that he will never be able to own anything in his own name ever again but then proudly boasted:
“I just love spending the church’s money!”
Jim Bakker is the “mastermind” of this fraud he has set up to rake in millions of dollars in the name of God and then use those dollars to benefit himself. As someone also very correctly pointed out, Grandma Char has put herself in a very precarious position as being the “fall guy” for Bakker’s and her daughter’s new scheme. This poor woman receives no sympathy from me because when you lie down with dogs you are going to get fleas. Regarding her background prior to Morningside, I have no personal knowledge of it, however, it has been discussed on the show before and it has been said that she was a very poor woman unable to even pay her bills. Lori, herself, has said that on previous shows and now elderly Grandma Char must be raking in the big bucks solely because her daughter chose to marry a con artist just two years younger than Grandma Char herself. It is dirty money and it is going to lead to dirty events, such as Grandma Char offering to turn state’s evidence to save her own butt, when those unmarked federal Ford Crown Victorias pull up to the front door and start taking people away. The worst evidence against Jim Bakker is Jim Bakker, himself, but a little additional testimony, as a boost, from Charlene will help the government’s case, I’m sure.
Now, speaking of Jim Bakker being simply a low paid employee and not a controlling executive, did you all happen to see the repeat broadcast today (5-3-12)? This was the show in which Bakker solicited the one-million dollar donation from his audience. In this show, he mentioned what is known in the media industry as “LPTV”. What is LPTV? LPTV stands for “Low Power TV”. It is a special type of TV station license that grants TV station status to the license holder, but to a very small pickup area. These tiny stations are usually found in small, rural areas where the professionals do not want to invest big money in higher power transmitters to add a measly few bumkins to their audience since it is not cost effective.
On today’s repeat broadcast, Jim said that he is
PUTTING GRANDSON JAMES IN CHARGE OF BUYING A LOW POWER TV STATION FOR USE BY THE STUDENTS!
Now hold on a minute! It was just last week that Bakker said the school was “almost” out of money again and now he wants to buy the kids of the fake school their own, regulated by the F.C.C., television station? The man who refuses to pay the federal government over six-million in taxes he owes them now wants to put out a million or more to buy the “students” their own TV station that is going to be under the direct control of the very government he spurns. I don’t know about you, but I find this to be as offensive as what David Taggart was doing when a Bakker staffer walked in on those two at Heritage Grand Hotel’s Presidential Suite.
Low power TV stations have been known to sell for various prices and a good one can sell for a million dollars or more and costs many thousands per year to operate. You must purchase and install a TV transmitter, antenna, and have all the necessary equipment and staff to keep the thing on the air 24 hours a day. Some of these stations have state of the art automation and that is a highly costly proposition. You are under the direct control of the F.C.C. at all times and it costs dollars to keep the licensure current and up to date.
Not bad for a guy who said last week the school is “almost” out of money again, is it? You may remember on another broadcast Bakker was asking the students what some of the hard hitting issues they intended to discuss were and Ariel chimed in that one of the issues they intended to discuss was “masturbation”. Come on, Jim. You’re slipping! This very blog right here has discussed more about masturbation than your own students advertised, on your own show, that they would be dealing with in those wonderful videos they produce—you know, the ones that appear for a few days and then get deleted after we talk about them here.
Someone is definitely getting jerked around now that David Taggart is no longer a member of Bakker’s staff anymore. I would submit, to all of you reading this right now, that it is the poor soul who is sending Jim Bakker their hard earned money.
Can I get a witness? Amen!
A TV STATION?
WTF!
This is ridiculous.
He owes the IRS, doesnt pay them and lives in 2 super nice places.
Now he's becoming the Ted Turner of the Ozarks....WTF!
Can he pick one freaking project to beg for at a time? JUST ONE
The FCC doesnt take kindly to BS.
If he is smart he wont draw attention to himself by getting into something that involves a government agency.
This Pokeberrygate deal alone ought make him settle his ass down.
If anyone thinks the push for financial transparency is a bit much, this man looted PTL.
To be honest, if you read carefully you'll see that david Taggert stole nearly as much as Jim. I would love to know where Taggert is now.
So, yeah, JIm, Lori, sell your lake house on Pokeberry. It is an obscene replay of the 1980's.
Obscene
You would think a man who wrote a book alled I WAS WRONG might no better
Excuse the above mistake....I meant know...he might know better
Quick aside-When PTL deal unfolded one item that was mentioned was a very expensive lucite case designed to hold Jim's Ferragamo loafers which were caked in mud after digging for his Palace project. I remember my grandmother saying that anyone who would encase their own shoes like that had mental problems.
I think there is a slight possibility the Jim and Lori will man up (quit laughing) and do the right thing. I think they will announce they have sold Pokeberry and maybe the boat and have donated the $$$$$ to Lori's House.
I think that beats seeing a Bakker headline much better PR
I also am of the belief that Jim Bakker has mental problems. I also believe Lori is not emotionally stable, is on drugs again, and could find herself in an institution just like Tammy Faye did.
1 Corinthians 6:9
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
After reading Brother D's two posts above please allow me to add something. When appealing for the one-million dollars, Jim announced that he wanted someone to "sow" into the ministry.
Isn't this the seed faith concept of giving coming back to haunt us once again? When a million dollars is asked for, is it so large of an amount that it calls for the return of the prosperity gospel that Bakker has allegedly sworn off?
Too bad Kelli Copeland was not there on that show. Jim would have done her and her Dad proud!
Thanks Bro D,
For all the great information on "LPTV".
Amen Bro D
Thank-you Susan too for all you have contributed to this blog and to Miss Tanya...I am quite certain you have an opinion on the desires of Bakker to operate a brand new TV station at the compound.
Am I correct?
Maybe TBC was Tamara ____ Crawford?
Also, Jim spent quite a bit of time explaining that all the young people were on the internet. So isn't it a waste of money to get a low power tv station? Maybe invest a couple thousand building a great website or something.
Bakker was indignant and outraged on his show yesterday horrified that people were mocking the Ten Commandments and mocking his beloved God.
Jim Bakker your the mocker, you evil doer. Just stick to your one and only commandment of selling your crap and ripping off the idiots you count on. Actually,the idiots would send you money if you never opened your mouth. They are into Jim Bakker, no matter what.
Hey Jason, I saw you yesterday doing your smirk routine and noticed that your a butterball too. All of you fat guys kind of look alike on the show. Whats up with that? Your never going to be able to score a cute zombie, and you know what can happen when you get lonely. That is what Jim said trying to explain what he did. Tammy Faye wasn't giving him any attention, so he did what he did to that cute Jessica Hahn to make Tammy Faye jealous.
This reminds me of a situation with a family member who was a sex addict. The guy was an in law. After we all found out and the shit hit the fan I expected remorse. He instead said he was this way becuase his first wife didn't give him any. Like JIm, really dreadful behavior, blamed someone else, could be very charming etc. It is all very mental.
I would guess he is pissed that this blog outed him on his Pokeberry Lake home. I also read here that the boat at the house may have been ministry purchased?
Does anyone recall that while Jim was in PRISON he was allowed to mail letters to people on the New Covenant mailing list? He would write the letter and mail it to Florida where for a while Tammy faye ran things then Tammy Sue. They would do a monthly letter and include a print of Jim's partner letter where talked about prison. The big thing was that after he was released he was going to keep helping the prisoners. Do we know IF that has happened?
The Pokeberry lake house, boat and cost of pool could help babies and prisoners.
I cant watch the show very often so I would like to know how he references PTL deal? Does he say "I made a big mistake"?
Saw video clips of old interviews where he talked about the Jessica Hahn thing but made zero mention of what has been repeatedly posted here ie that he was informed by his head of finance and a tax attorney in 1986 (BEFORE FALWELL) that PTL could lose its tax exempt status becuase of a laundry list of items. One of the KEY items being that David Taggert was LOOTING the ministry by using PTL American Express cards and cash.
Jim knew this in 1986 and did nothing. The Taggert situation in any other organization would have warrented criminal charges by the organization. Maybe Jim should warm up the printer on Pokeberry, have Ricky print this and refresh his memory.
The media was so wrapped up in the Jessica deal they really didnt get into this looting enough.
I thought Jim said way back that he would have some kind of "board of directors"...hmmm...is the board Dino, Char and Zach?
BTW--The amount paid to Hahn out of minstry funds was NOTHING compared to the amount stolen by David Taggert and James. Primarily David. David was such a skank he even took cash advances on minstry credit cards.
Whats odd is that the Taggerts vanished into thin air
Re: More about LPTV
The average pickup area for a viewer to pick up a signal from an LPTV station is generally about 25 miles from the antenna "line of sight". This new station, if built, will serve the town of Blue Eye (population 150 before Morningside came in) and will spill over to whatever parts of the land will not be blocked by the Ozarks or tall concrete buildings which will block the signal. What is "line of sight?" "Line of sight" means exactly that. It is a perfectly unobstructed "line of sight" which means that the signal is not interferred with by a mountain range, skyscrapers, or any other such obstruction that would cut off the signal.
Unlike a full power TV station, an LPTV station is NOT subject to the F.C.C.'s "must carry" rule. What is that? The "must carry" rule simply means that a city or town's cable TV system MUST CARRY all legitimate full power television stations. This is NOT the case with LPTV. If the local cable TV outlet in Branson is familiar with Jim Bakker's past and decides not to put his LPTV station on their cable system there is not a damn thing Bakker can do about it.
The only people who would be able to receive his station would be those who have a TV antenna on their roof or a set of "rabbit ears" on their TV at home and are able to pick it up over the free airwaves. Other than that, the station will not be seen by anyone. Remember in the very rural areas, there is no cable TV anyway.
If Bakker wants this station to air 7 days per week and 24 hours per day on satellite he will have to buy the time exactly as he now does to run his own show--effectively doubling (or more) his expenses for TV airtime that he constantly bitches about.
Is this a worthwhile project for Bakker to involve his free labor force in when the vast majority of this free labor force is only going to be with him for one year only?
I'll let you be the judge of that.
I thought of something creepy. Several years ago Jim Lori, both Tammys were on larry King Live, all together. On Larry, Jim made Tammy Sue repeat a story that made him look CREEPY. He referenced this SAME tidbit when Tammy Sue reappeared.
In essence, on Larry he made her tell that way back she was humiliated in a grocery store by people coming up to her and saying her dad was gay. On his current show, he said something like "she used to not be able to go the grocery store because people said things"
This is twisted. The man had a bisexual deal with Taggert, his daughter is publicly humiliated over it and he makes her tell it.
Dude, is this twisted?
He wasn't really ashamed. He didnt say he was gay, instead it was like he was saying "look how mean people are" He is sick.
More to the point, he can NOT be allowed to loot another nonprofit.
People have far more info now than in 1987. This old coot needs to accountable.
His TV station will most likely resell air time.
My guess is that the Jim Bakker show might use one hour and Generation Now might use an hour and he will resell to other tv ministers and sell infomerical time.
PLUS..not sure if this was mentioned...with digital signals, he really will have more than one channel. The LPTV in my area splits into like 4 channels with just one facility.
This could be a money maker or another way to raise more oney some of which will upgrade Pokeberry and the Grace Street condo.
What is so sweet is that he lives in a condo community but ONLY his unit has pool access...LMAO..and he hides it behind a facade?
And with regard to the Taggerts--it was noted in federal court that Shirley fulbright, Jim's secretary received trips and gifts. She also per David Taggert made a 45,000 monus tax free by taking another 45,000 on top. Shirley was like the madame. Jim's pecker got pumped by other PTL studs too. Someone had to tell theose boys what time to head over to the Presidential Suite. Charles Shep. mentions one pecker stroker by name and has his photo in that book. Oddly..no joke...on this man's current facebook page he is friends with Jim as Jim is wth him. The guy doesnt live in MO. In fact, all the old PTL cronies are hooked up on facebook. All except the Taggerts. I thought maybe Jim would call David and have James cum decorate Pokemeintheass or Pokeberry or whatever. James gave the Heritage USA Prsidential suite the horrid whorehouse look it had.
I'm not an everyday Bakker watcher so chime in please...did Jim have a magician on named Van Burch? I thought I recalled this name but couldn't make sense of why he would have a magician on.
In any event, this Van Kirk magicician was in a tax mess per the paper in Branson. Then it appeared he got divorced? I think.
More importantly, in court records, it shows he was suing Jim and Bambi? LMAO
If you look for Jim on the MO court site it comes up, not sure what that was all about.
Maybe he was pulling lambs out of his black hat and the lambs turned into a boat and lake house on Pokeberry in Lampe??
If Jim and Lori really want the world to see they are above board they should indeed sow into Lori's house by selling that Lampe MO lake house.
Given Jim's past if this hits national news like AP or CNN it will dredge up all the old PTL stuff. It really is a news story waiting to unfold.
Tanya, and Bro D 10:51 am - 9:23 am
Well in a nutshell it seems this LPTV is a money waster, since not many will be able to see it. But the bright side to this situation is Jim would be able to see antennas to local people. Lolol Bakker at one time had said the Masters Media Kids would be airing their show to the internet but from looks of it not many are watching it from the number of hits they are getting. The road Bakker built was called by us as the “road to no where” hmmm this LPTV could be called “the signal to no where” lololol
Tanya I was going to be nice to Mr. Wert but I do have a suggestion for him. When filming your videos for” The Mustard Seed “do not film yourself from the ground up. It shows your muffin top that is an awful camera angle. Lol Did the Master Media film this for you?
opps sell antennas lol
Questions=
When was the Pokeberry home purchased?
How long have they been raising money for Lori's House?
opps my comment should have been to Jessica 10:51...just wake up for a nap lol
Recap:
1. There is ZERO transparency.
Unlike CNB hides his numbers by hiding behind church status
2. Has 2 luxury homes paid for by the ministry yet wont sell one to save unborn babies from being aborted.
I think a PR firm what tell him to quickly unload that Pokeberry home and announce how he and Lori Really believe in Lori's House by putting their money into this project
Is it me or is there something twsited about that deal of hiding his pool at Grace Street behind the Feed Store fake front?
I mean thats just like something from a movie.
The first post way up there said the Feed Store facade could have cost $60,000.
If you go back to the opening vid sequence from Christmas time it is covered in red lights. Very visible and looks like the interior has antique feed store items in the window but its hard to see clearly
scrolling back a bit it was posted that jim had mentioned building a pool. do we think he meant this pool behind the feed store fake front?
Like was he getting it out so it wasnt a secret or was it a pool for the public and then it wasnt built????
Yes Jessica, Jason is another chubby addition to a weighty moronside crew and fits in perfectly in the sea of fat on display on the tv set. I guess when your hobby is drinking pop, watching sports on tv, eating potato chips and blogging on a laptop 24/7 it will catch up to you big time. He probably never even noticed his wife had left him.
Does anyone from the media take a look at this blog/post?
1. ZERO financial transparency
2. Ministry paid for luxury homes
3. Secret swimming pools
All while asking for money for a house they claim to really believe in.
The entire operation looked a bit low rent but if they can pick up a house on a lake with a condo down the road....its a bit much.
Goldmansachs, everything about bakker and morningside is a fake facade.
Kool Aid Kid, lol. You'll have to cut back on the portions of dino cake you hand out to the zombies. Lol.
LOL Craig. Moronside zombies Zach, Kevin, Jason, Tammy Sue, Matt (to mention just a few) have some big and very demanding cake holes. Zombie James could use a few pounds on his body to correct his disproportionate head to body mass ratio. Like what's with that? I'd like to see his father!
It would be interesting to, do a title search on the cabin. My guess is crawford or his construction company are listed on it as previous owners.
On Jimbo's tv show today he mentioned the meeting with the originator of the petition to stop Lori's House...which was Joe C!
He said Joe C. brought up Jims past which upset him. For some reason he forgot to talk about the gift he provided to Joe to end the construction fight.
Enjoy your retirement in Florida Joe!!
Here's the email address for the Jim Bakker Prayer Center!
http://jimbakkershow.com/prayer-center/prayer-request-form/
Let's all send in a prayer request that Jim and Lori's hearts will be moved to sell the Pokeberry lake house so that even more babies can be saved! I'm sure if they sow a $300,000 seed into Lori's house, they will be profoundly healed and anointed!
to 9:55PM..What would you do if they did this? Being an anon. yourself. There are Jews who believe that Christ was the Messiah, although I think they are reall Jews in the Nationality sense. To be a Jew and hold a belief in Christian Doctrine is a true religious oxymoron. The "by the book" Jews really don't acknowledge them and distance themselves from these "Jews for Jesus". I doubt if Jews themselves (unless their of that line of thinking) really want anything to do with Cahn. He is most likely an "outcast" or "Renegade Rabbi".
A couple of points....
1. The Bakkers' odds of selling the Pokeberry property are about the same as my hairy butt being named Miss America.
2. Quit the crap about people not posting anonymously. Who wants a psycho stalker tailing them around? If I don't post anonymously, I don't post,
Period.
@Mr Green Jeans, great point about the facebook suggestion from an anonymous comment.
Lol.
As far as the rabbi, if he is on bakker's show then he is fake.
Everyone is anonymous here. Do you think that when Joe C. had the meeting with Bakker he introduced himself as "Joe C". Brother Dortch died a few years back, Tanya liked Sacha's Russian name and chose one also. Sittingonthefense, Burnbakkerburn, Jimmy crack Corn, Amos "n" Andy, these are not true names.
JOE C. FOR LIFEGUARD
The good Rabbi Cahn is as his name states a con man. He is only there to promote his book and dvd's for profit!
I heard Jim speak about the meeting with Joe C. as the leader of the petition, but there was no mention of the payment made to him to shut him up and end the fight???
Jason Wert please come back!
Bakker lacks the direction he could command when he ran PTL back years ago. He could get sound advice from guys like Dortch, Oldhum, and others; guys with sense. He's running a floundering ship if he relies on a braintrust like Nolan, Zach and Sasha. It is even dangerous. You are going to see a lot of "any port in a storm" decision making.
@Truthseeker. Darth Wert has his own blog @ Mustardseed year. Google it if you want to visit with him. The Joe C thing is over.
@2:50 pm. You are correct. Everyone here is anonymous. But who wants a bakker zombie to know who dares speak against dear Leader.
Lol.
@2:50pm Good point! In that environment, any disparging remarks would be related to Bakker in a heart beat by a stooge. This is their only option to speak truthfully.
Ya, you sure as hell don't want tubby Darth Wert and Jabba the Zach coming at you huffing and puffing trying to take you down.
Lol Kool Aid Kid. I hope they don't catch me.
Most or all of the property in the new development (named Morningside) is owned by associates of Bakker rather than by Bakker himself. The St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported that Bakker still owes the IRS about $6 million.
Jim and Lori need to realize that there are a few people who give a shit.
I think they count on people either being devoted followers or not giving a rats ass.
Some of us are offended that they refuse to make financials available and would have a hand out for money when they are spending the money they do have on Lampe MO lake houses and condo pools
As someone posted above, any PR firm would tell them to sell the Pokeberry lake house and get the financial docs out there.
Surely someone in that organization has the intelligence to tell JIm this could be a big, nasty newspaper story
Do the Bakkers address things directly on their show?
In the old days Jim would pitch a fit if the Charlotte Observer dared question him. He would just piss and moan and bitch like a little brat on the air. Then they would try to be the paper to the punch by showing whatever they bought before the paper could run the story. When they bought a home in like 84 or 85 in Palm desert Ca they showed people around in the house before the Observer could run the story.
That said, will they or have they addressed the Pokeberry house in the air?
LOve to hear him explain the secret swimming pool.
"Gramma Maxine, well Lori and I didnt tell you about the pool because we knew you'd worry about the kids drowning"
I cant imagine how Lori could have thought it a good idea to buy a lake house when she seems very concerned about babies not being aborted.
Then consider that Jim is SURE we are in the last days. Just how long will he get to use the pool before all heck breaks loose?
The Feed Store may be an issue. The hispanic gangs that will soon be roaming Blue Eye when the food shortage hits will see that Feed Store sign and equate that with food. They'll break in and stumble upon Jim frolicking in his bikini
Do you think Jim giggled when he had Crawford's people create the Feed Store facade?
He's a giggler.
Wonder when they built the pool and bought the house?
If you look back at the video archive I would expect it was during a big foodbucket push.
Does Morningside pay rent to Crawford to use Grace Street and the chapel?
Tanya,
You are like a VIP here. You mentioned in an earlier post that the volume of posts from Bakker Backers seemed to have declined after the Pokeberry posts.
Do you think they are reading but not posting?
Jim should NEVER have been allowed to write letters to the ministry partners while in jail.
Those were not notes to friends they were mass mailings.
How is that different than a drug dealer still running his business?
The disturbing thing is how he MILKS his story of woe. The numerous comments about Shirley and the Taggert boys are on track. Jim KNEW about the looting in 1986 He pretends there was the one issue, Jessica and that as a result he had his ministry stolen. Jim, you were made aware by Michael Wigton and Peter Bailey that Taggert was STEALING via American Express charges and via cash and PTL checks.
How does he explain this to Lori? Or is she too busy decorating Pokeberry and swimming in her pool?
Federal prosecutors on Friday presented the jury with invoices and other evidence detailing the luxury purchases as they attempt to prove the Taggart brothers evaded $487,000 in taxes for 1984-87 and used $1.1 million in PTL money to pay personal bills
When he cries his fake tears and says he was wrong he NEVER wants to bring up allowing David Taggert to STEAL. Had the Jessica deal not taken PTL down, how much STEALING would Jim have turned a blind eye to?
He needs to be working at a real 9 to 5 job. BTW, I doubt there is anyone at Morningside who could steal like David and not be punished.
I would not be surprised if Jim has a pool installed at the Pokeberry house. The Tega Cay house was on a lake and had a very nice pool.
Love to know how long he has been asking for money to build Lori's House.
At the rate Jim and Lori are blowing money I'm not sure when they'll finish Lori's House.
Between pools, fake buildings in front of pools, lake houses, boats, etc...how will they ever build her house?
You need a new source of info there Uncle Henry. You seem to be fixated on me and my situation. You speak nothing of fact. 417-559-0444. Call me, I will fill you in on the truth.
I think all the posts asking jim to sell the cabin are bogus. Lots of anonymous requests and one off posts. Just like zombies do.
Never trust.
I'm still waiting for my phone to ring.....
Come on Uncle Henry, Call me. 417-559-0444
Uncle Henry has no balls, he won't calll me.
Why would the zombie post people want him to sell the Pokeberry lake house?
Wouldn't they defend him having it?
ahhhh JoeC I did a reverse look up for that number lolol its Buckingham's Restaurant in Branson Mo hahahah
Uncle Henry...417-559-0444
Susan,
I am the food and beverage director @ Buckingham's The number I posted is my cell#.
Call me Uncle H.
SusanD. I called. I talked to Joe C.
JoeC,
I am not sure I would want the wackos knowing where I work lol
Uncle Henry,
Four one seven, five five nine, zero four four four
Uncle Henry. Call the number JoeC posted. He would like to discuss some issues and claims you've made.
Thank you for the call Craig.
Uncle Henry........ FOUR ONE SEVEN, FIVE FIVE NINE, ZERO FOUR FOUR FOUR
question---
Jim's big theme is survival, end times, generators etc.
Is Morningside built with any of that in mind? Are there generators or even tornado shelters?
I would think an end times prophet would build with disasters in mind.
Bransonscherry.
Again I say jim is a liar who lies about lies he's already told._
Jim has this unique ability to totally alter his past to make it work for him.
In his book he wrote page after page about how Tammy left him for Roe Messner. This coming from a man who didnt only do Jessica. He had 2 men identified as his lovers in the Charles Shepard book.
That guy was totally unfaithful to Tammy but made her look like trash in his book.
She never mentioned a word of his bi sex stuff. Jim used the Roe/Tammy thing to garner more sympathy. He is pathetic.
Its like hes using Lori's abortions to milk the money cow for Lori's house
After hearing about Pokeberry and the pool this all sounds VERY PTL.
He is getting a bunch of projects going and thus generating a great deal of $$$.
With no yearly 990 there is no way to see how that money is being used.
Someone at Morningside with some knowledge shared the original post about the pool and lake house.
Hope they will offer more that might help bring an end to this BS
Regarding the Lake House, I think he actually taped from there once for a show that I covered:Jim Bakker wrapping up a vacation tan
Really interesting discussion going on here. Regarding the Facebook thing, I've considered that but I don't think people would want to give up their anonymity.
Feed the Children did in fact make a large donation to Jim Bakker. I remember seeing it. A large tractor-trailer arrived carrying a load of food for Jim Bakker that was probably donated by mislead people who thought it was going to starving children. Nope, it went right there to Jim Bakker, and we all watched Bakker directing people to unload it. That was before I started blogging. I think the founder of FTC Larry Jones was later fired from his own charity, lol.
I'm not sure when Lori's House solicitations first began. Probably summer of last year? I remember it during the Philip Cameron Creepathon and that guy was taking home checks in the hundreds of thousands for Stella's House, so you can imagine how much Lori's House received.
Glad to see the new posters, welcome to the Foodbucket!
jim said on the air a day or 2 ago that he is writing a book thats being co authored by ken abraham.
how would they set up the money for the book advance? he cant have money in the bank or the irs will snatch it.
Ron,
Your posts are so damn funny.
The ones that mention the NOW news van were great! I hope they all have to pile in that van to go to Gilberti's
I have to be honest and say I feel bad for Tammy Sue. I think she has PTSD from being in the family.
Jim is a pathological liar who thinks he is above the law.
I have not read all the posts so maybe this was covered.
Did anyone see the old episode where Jim and Lori talk about "God's Girl"? She was an older woman with that nickname.
She was bought a condo on Grace Street but passed away before she could use it.
Jim and Lori lovingly remembered her with a video clip. It seemed sweet. Then they cut to the chase--"God's Girl left EVERY last dime to the ministry. EVERYTHING.
They both said the money couldnt have come at a better time! Talk about tasteless.
BTW, she knew Grandma Maxine.
GM isnt just in the front row at the show. I saw a picture of her with the bakkers at Gilbertis and in their condo. They seem to want to keep her alive...not sure why..could be their financial planner thinks her portfolio should have more time to recover before its liquidated
Thank you, perriernoiceplease and Amexblackcard.
Wynnecore: thanks - I post on a regular basis, I think it just makes my thought process easy to follow.
I suspect - and this is only based on coincidences I have noticed - that someone has clamped down on the posts from Morningside. One Sunday we had a mountain of inane posts, someone mentioned the students just got back from a road-trip - it seemed reasonable to wonder if the students were pumped up, nothing to do, so posted here. For a time, Sundays were busy here, again, reasonable to wonder if Morningside people (students?) had little to do. Then, Jason Wert posted (he acknowledged he knew about the Foodbucket before he was hired), and told a poster s/he was out of line, and to apologize. Since then, and also coinciding with the talk of finances/Pokeberry "cabin," the inane posts have decreased substantially. I have a guess as to what may be going on (see below).
5:45pm: it seems to me that Jim Bakker addresses some things directly on his show, e.g., shortly after we began discussing Zach's idiotic "Bossman" video here, Jim asked Zach on the show who the "real Zach" was. Zach gave the wrong answer, as I already posted about.
As Craig mentioned, anyone who wants to hang out with Jason Wert can visit him at his Mustardseed Year blog. Jason is posting video blogs, which(to me)seem crafted to answer things from here, or perhaps things from Morningside. I also wonder if it stems from a desire to get some time on the set of the TV show.
Jason is not the topic of this blog, but for some perspective about Morningside, and what someone hired by Jim Bakker thinks, consider this: Jason's 2 most recent posts are "labels are satanic" and "true forgiveness." Jason gives his view that society wants to label you (an addict, thief, adulterer, etc) and Satan wants you to have that label, too. Here's the kicker: if you perpetuate the labels of society, then you are being satanic in your actions. Jason said God does not see you as a murderer, rapist, thief, etc. Then, Jason said this may be on his mind because he works at the Jim Bakker Show, but true Christians need to forgive the way God does - do you want God bringing up every mistake you ever made?
Now, if you watch the video posts (so as not to rely on my paraphrasing), take them and apply to Jim Bakker. That, in a nutshell, is what Morningside seems to be about - that is how Bakker-supporters rationalize the current situation (i.e., justify not discussing or dealing with the past).
So, if the above makes sense to you, and you want Jason, go to his blog (also check for accuracy, I believe I was accurate). Leave him some comments. Keep in mind, Jason said he would not allow certain comments, so don't expect the kind of free speech Ron allows here.
One more thing: in a post Jason said one of the students showed him the planned transcript for a "life's not fair" video. We know Zach did that video. Jason also said he was "working with the students." Is it possible that the students clear things through Jason? It would explain the change in the YouTube channel (and the decrease in attack-posts here) - some oversight from somebody. I have not scrolled back to check, but I thought Jason said he was not in charge of the students, he was in charge of keeping Jim Bakker's web site links up to date (doesn't seem like a full-time job, does it) - so has Jason's job changed, or was he being less than forthright about his true role? (please correct me if my memory is incorrect)
Joe C.: what an offer to Uncle Henry!
I hope you are able to monitor the posts to keep things honest.
Just FYI - I posted a reply to some people that was accepted but has not shown up - if it is not here tomorrow, I will re-post.
Joe C if all of these people are lying about you, tell us the story of what happened from your first meeting with Jim until now. Tell us the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Hello Joe C.
;)
The Moronside zombies have added a tubby Darth Wert to the already outrageous litter ... you'll be safe as it moves slow. You'll know when its close by because of a tapping sound coming from a laptop, it will be mumbling something about it not being into porn anymore and will have a strong smell of potatoe chips. Just a heads up for ya. Take care.
Bakker beat Joe C. to the punch. I heard from a good source Bakker is in process of penning a new book. Manuscript almost complete. Title will be: "My Meeting with Joe C.. What Really Happened!!". Should be out in the Fall....New York Times bestseller for sure!
.... closely followed by the highly anticipated short novel:
"I Left My Mark So Everyone Will Know I Was There: Confessions of the Moronside Bath House Stinker"
Also available in toliet paper roll format.
lol Kool-Aid kid
I still think the stinker was Nolan lolol
Nolan? hahahaha ... a funny thought for sure.
I remember the show that Jim Bakker was talking about Tammy Sue, how he was going to get her a condo at Morningside, he wasn’t sure how he would do it yet! Jim said he owed it to her since he used her royalties from her records at PTL to live on when they took everything away from him before he went to prison. OK well he does owe her but that doesn’t mean other people should donate to get her a condo because he took from her. Here is an idea Jimbo have Tammy Sue live in the 3rd floor of Lori’s house instead of the girls from Master’s Media lolol
.... and that will be closely followed by Jim Bakker's "jaw dropping" novel:
"Mark In Bath House Reveals End Times Disaster"
Book Excerpt: ... and the closer Bakker looked at the mark, the more that was revealed and the more that was revealed, the closer he looked. "I really got my nose into it", said Bakker.
Hey Tanya, I took care of it and got it posted for ya. Blogger automatically moves some posts to 'spam' based on structure and sometimes content (if there are a lot of links). This happens from time to time and I need to go in and move them out of spam (happens to my own posts sometimes too).
Joe C dont just tell Uncle Henry what happened, tell all of your supporters here what really went down!
Kool-Aide-kid,
I think the person in the bath house is the same person who took the blanket, food from the refrig, and James money order. This book could be a great who it lolol
opps who done it lol
Jim seems to have several projects that need donations yet have no real end in site.
If he has been raising money for Lori's House and spending it on other shit, thats a problem.
Does anyone here know if the MO Attorney General has been contacted?
Its good to know that my B.S. meter works. It flagged me the first time I read the Jason Wert post. Jason is just another fat boy whose skirts Bakker can hide behind.
Bakker is a very bad man. The kind that you cross the street when you see him coming unless your a zombie. He loves his life. He is into ego, loves any kind of attention he gets, good or bad. He goes through the motions of hiring a Jason Squirt to make it appear that he is worried and stressed. He's not worried about anything. Zombies will support him no matter what. Some of the old zombies that sit at his feet every day, also sat through his trial, scandals and prison. They were jumping up and down when he got out. Could hardly wait to give him money.
I don't think it will end until he drops dead.
Here's a shout out to Jason Squirt...you are one more fat zombie who waddles behind Bakker kissing his wrinkled, droopy behind. Your credentials didn't get you much.
Baa, baa, Bakker
Have you any wool?
Yes sir, yes sir,
Three Lori Lamb blankets.
One for my fake grandma,
One for me,
And one ... holy shit! ... what the hell!... what the hell!
Thanks, Ron.
An earlier blog post mentioned an old geezer from Kentucky named Julian Carroll.
After Jim married Lori they moved back to Charlotte where they took over the New Covenant minstry from Tammy Sue.
@ that point Jim created a board with people like Char Graham, Julian Carroll, Rick joyner and a few others.
For some reason, the operation switched to 501c Morningside but New Covenant on paper still exisits.
Jim has another corp filing with his Branson attorney listed as the registrant, Grace Chapel LLC
There is a condo at Morningside called "the governors suite".
Hopefully it hasn't seen the hijinks the Presidential Suite saw at PTL
Wonder why people call Charlene Marie Graham as Char lol
Watch very closely the Tammy Sue condo scam. I have no doubt Bakker will find a way to have all of the costs of it put into the church's name. Rick Joyner, according to what Jim was saying the other day, is a member of Bakker's board of directors. With three corporations (at least) Bakker will find a way to buy a third house for him or his daughter and let the church pay for every dime of it.
Check out the Summer lineup primiering on the Logo channel, a Jim Bakker series entitled "Bathhouse confidential". Should be interesting viewing if that is your thing.
Does anyone know the sturcture of the business deal between Bakker and Crawford with regard to Morningside?
Does the ministry pay rent for use of the chapel and the Grace street filming area?
BTW-What is up with that fake train that appears to come out the wall? The scale of the train isnt even on par with a a Little Tykes.
That place is a mess
Jessica, you protest too much! It is, or appears that you are trying to convince yourself of Bakker's evil rather then these viewers. I notice that you do that a lot in your thoughts. Why? It is like I stated you're really not convinced Bakker is bad and need to brace your opinions to avoid a guilt complex.
Uncle Henry have Joe C. promise to reveal the details of the "meeting" then you'll be more then happy to call to thank him.
I'm not going to say he's bad.
God can decide that
I think he has serious psychological problems and cant be trusted.
He has repeatedly proven he cant tell the truth.
This not someone who should have any free ride aka tax exempt status nor should he be skirting paying his IRS debt.
lol @ fly on the wall:
says..."Jessica needs to brace her opinions to avoid a guilt complex."
Hey zombie did you learn that line at your last session with your shrink. lol, another crazy nut job from Morningside who has forgotten to take their meds.
Intelligent people who aren't crazy don't need to be convinced that Jim Bakker is evil, it is obvious to us. Bakker is one bad dude who steals from everyone, even his own kid, now he wants to make it up to her. He's going to buy her a condo out there in crazyville with yours and other stupid peoples money. Wow, some bonus for Tammy Sue daddy steals from her and now she gets to come live with all you nuts!!!
Can nayone PLEASE figure out WHEN Pokeberry was purchased?
If we can get a general time frame we can see the product push at that time.
I found the house on some tax thing but now I cant find it.
2144 Pokeberry Lane
Home built in 2000
Owned by Morningside Church, Inc
1.79 acres
purchased by Morningside 05/12/2011
This info was obtained from the Stone County, Missouri web page.
@11:37 She's welcome here. We need more good people. People like you who judge will someday also be judged. This area is truly God's country with good God fearing folk. Maybe someday, if you amend your ways you might settle here. Whatever the good Pastor might have done poorly (and that's debatable) is outweighed 10 score by the good, keep that in mind and judge not. Thanks for posting.
I see lil Kool-aid has been in the Pokeberry wine again. His talented side shows (Baa Baa Black Sheep) when he's stoned on Pokeberry wine and Dino cakes.
According to Stone County reoords, the 2144 Pokeberry Lane property was purchased on 5/12/1011 in the name of Morningside Church, Inc. and is 1.79 acres
Ron mentioned that Bakker filmed some episodes or episode roll ins at Pokeberry.
Those episodes are not in the Bakker video archive.
Willing to bet they were removed for a reason.
Ron mentioned that Bakker filmed some episodes or episode roll ins at Pokeberry.
Those episodes are not in the Bakker video archive.
Willing to bet they were removed for a reason.
I'm thinking the Cindy Jacobs prophecy about how they would build Lori's House was in December 2010.
So....interesting that months after that big proclamation the ministry buys a lake house.
Cameron's 990 shows well over 1 million in expenses labeled as "Moldova Girls"
is he supporting a bunch or is that to buy the house?
He is registered in Alabama.
The attorney general in Alabama needs to look into him.
I do give him credit for filing and not hiding behind church status like that pussy Jim.
But, since Camerons ass is based more in Scotland claiming church status here might be hard
I wonder why David Taggert never wrote a tell all book about life with Jim.
It seems really odd that he disappeared.
In Jim's book, he references David a few times but leaves the part out about the looting.
The story of Jim making Tammy Sue tell about people yelling at her in public that her dad was gay or bi is so telling.
He screws with men and then spins it to garner sympathy.
That man will use anyone or anything, abortions, people, whatever
Did anyone notice that Dino's theater act is being produced by Thurlow Spur?
That's the guy Tammy nearly left Jim for.
Btw---does anyone remember Jim's line about Jessica?
He said he did her to make Tammy jealous.
Ok, so was he planning to call her and tell her he just screwed some chick?
And as far as that goes....he goes on about how it was real quick, one time. Hey, I could look beyond her.
It's his nonstop screwing with men that he really invested time in and denied that is disturbing.
Keep in mind, ball massaging David travelled with the family frequently. Picture Tammy Faye sitting by the pool with the man who gives her husband orgasms.
Jim Bakker you are a sick fucker.
Only my opinion: it would help to have some concrete comments in support of Jim Bakker - so that perhaps I, and others, can understand where people are coming from.
There are many concrete postings of concerns regarding Jim Bakker, both past and present - the comments in support of Jim Bakker tend to be non-specific.
For example, Bright Sky said "whatever the good Pastor might have done poorly (and that's debatable) is outweighed 10 score by the good..."
I'd like to know what those things are, what could be defined as "poor," and what about them is debatable.
I'd appreciate an explanation of what the debate is, because right now I see several troublesome things, and don't understand how any of it is debatable.
The Attorney General in Mo needs to know about this Lori's House deal.
If money raised for Lori's House was used for things other than that project someone is in hot water.
I hope the local newspaper reads this blog
We now know the Pokeberry house was purchased a few months after Lori's house money was starting to roll in.
Wonder when the pool was put in behind the Feed Store?
when Giggles Bakker tells Char to cut $100,000
checks to Cameron it says he is the head honcho.
surely the IRS would see this and have some way of getting Giggles for that back tax bill.
I can't imagine you can get away with 2 homes. one might fall into the parsonage category but 2 surely would look shady.
1:32 and other amateur dickheads, I mean detectives. What is your point? What are you trying to prove with all this hogwash? Rehashing documents that are on the Public Record. Nothing nefarious about any of it. Must be a boring Sat, for you junior G-men. Turn on some professional wrestling and do something constructive. Woop-de-dingle! You got us all nervous with your monkey shines.
Nobody "in the know" is going to accommodate you hungry trolls any longer. Why should we? Ron just censors what he don't like.
Enjoy the 'family' here at the bucket.
To Bright Sky @12:24,
I do know a lot of you people out there at crazyville and I do know that most of you are very mentally disturbed people, that's why your drawn to your leader......birds of a feather flock together! People like you are the most judgemental, wicked, evil people I have ever had the misfortune to meet in my life, I would never want to live with you loony people. Morningside is not God's country...it's a God forsaken place! You people will never amend your ways because you are trapped in your deceived minds thinking you are normal, good people. That lie is so far from the truth! Judgement day is going to be a sorry day for you all! Your comments were full of judgement so don't preach about judging not. That is what you people at Morningside are good at, accusing others of what you are guilty of. The difference between my remarks and yours is I know and speak the truth and could back up everything I say. It must hurt to know that so many of you are very mentally ill. It is sad that Jim takes advantage of that!
@3:13
You mean Ron censors what he doesn't like not don't like.
From that I assume you are a Bakker zombie.
Poor grammar,not too sophisticated, just like Jim likes them
Do the Morningside residents mind not having a pool on sweltering days?
I mean just on the other side of the Feed Store is a nice, refreshing pool just for Jim.
Personally, I'd be jealous.
Of course, many times the pool just sits there while the Bakker's motor about the lake and enjoy Pokeberry lol
Wonder who cleaned the Tabernacle after the big birthday party for Jerry Crawford?
They had big bales of hay.
Assume it was messy.
The Feed Store sells hay and swim trunks
Mr 3:30, of course you'd be jealous, jealous and hateful to see anyone have what you have not. Typical troll behaiour, that doesn't surprise me. Like the dog in Aesop's fable that drops the bone in the creek when he sees his reflection. All pissed off that someone else has something. As long as you maintain materialistic thoughts and ignore the spiritual, you'll be trapped by this "jealousy".
Anon 11:30,
Our meeting was very transparent.
I am sorry to disappoint you but there is nothing to tell. My bust for putting my situation out for all to see. Shame on me.
Kool-aid-Kid as Bathhouse Manager and Toilet Attender.
Joe C there has to be more than that. Be specific on what was said between the both of you and was happened since.
C'mon Joe C you owe us more than that for all of the support we have given you. Tell us all of the details and dont take the fifth on us!
5:04 is Uncle Henry incognito.
Joe C for Mayor.
Joe C just tell them what happened because it was transparent to you but not to all of your supporters and they deserve to know.
Joe C for lifeguard on Miami Beach!
Bakker Zombie,
I'm not jealous you Ozark idiot.
In the last year I've used the pool at the Four Seasons Cairo Nile PLaza and the Burj Jumeirah Dubai. What I am is disgusted.
Let me retraxt that, I AM jealous that I pay taxes and hand job Jim doesnt.
Here is a story from today's New York Times detailing some of the Crouch family turmoil. I figured people on here would enjoy the read.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/05/us/tbn-fight-offers-glimpse-inside-lavish-tv-ministry.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2
Hand Job Jim aka Giggles mentioned he is working on a new book with Ken Abraham.
Wonder if he donated the advance to the church?
Abraham was Jim's co author on his book right out of prison.
It was clearly aimed at a zombie audience. Example, he makes references to David T. but neglects to explain why he still had him working there in 87 when he was told in 86 he had stolen enough from PTL to cost them their tax exempt status. Left that part out lol
BTW-earlier post said stuff was stolen, a blanket, food, money at Morningside....that means its morphing into Heritage USA/PTL where stealing wasnt stealing, it was called a handjob bonus
Fly on the Wall @ 11:17 a.m.
Whats up with you fly on the wall? Are you a fly shrink? Your diagnosis of me doesn't matter one little bit, the subject is Jim Bakker.
This is for you...I have my fly swatter and here you go.....smash!!
We could potentially use the forum here to see something good happen.
If the media could take a look at the basics
1. Ministry is paying for big ticket items like a Pokeberry lake house and possibly a boat.
2. Ministry spent funds on a pool
3. Money is being raised for projects like Lori's House but there is ZERO transparency due to church filing status
4. Air time is being used to peddle items in what is almost a Home Shopping format yet tax exempt.
5. Documents filed would indicate Char Graham runs the corp but in fact Bakker is in control
Cheers Joe C. and you have my vote for mayor. I enjoy it when you post.
Hey, zombie let me correct you. Ron does not censor posts unless idiots are using someone else s name to post. Get your facts straight. Ron said upfront that was the deal. Don't be dissing Ron or I will smack you. I just finished swatting a fly on the wall who tried to "shrink" me. LOL
There are 200,000+ views on this blog. A lot of information out there for all to see. Zombies, change is in the air. It could be good or bad, but one thing is for sure, Bakker will end up with all the money and you zombies will end up with zero. Its kind of Bakker's way of saying "kiss my ass", suckers.
Jessica you are the best and if I was younger I would give you a run for your money.
Joe C. stop being secretive and let us all know here what really happened between you and Jimbo!
Doesnt Bakker worry when Frank Davis is on the show that a Zombie might visit the Food For Health site and see the prices.....ie Franks price on Food for Health for a 200 serving bucket is 114.95 while Jim charges 150?
The extra 35 could help a Zombie save for a Pokeberry house or pool with a Feed Store facade
Nearly every item Jim peddles from food buckets to Insta fire is Frank Davis.
You KNOW when the IRS gets in on this Frank will be questioned. I imagine he might have to answer questions about Grandma Char's role.
I think if Grandma Char turns state's evidence like Taggert and Dortch she might get a light sentence. Still, at her age, hard time is really hard time. I wouldnt blame her if she opened an account in the Cayman's and disappeared.
I am getting a little tired of coming onto this blog and reading where some of you self righteous individuals are under the highly mistaken notion that Joe C “owes you” an explanation of exactly what went on during a meeting he had with the fraudster at Morningside. In reality, he does not owe you a thing. Joe C has more courage and stamina, in the manner he has posted to this blog, than the rest of you babies complaining here will ever even hope to have. He has shared voluntarily with you information he thought blog members might like to know and you have not been mature enough to handle it.
The truth of the matter is if Joe C wants to keep matters to himself that is his business and his business alone. It is about as much your duty to be told what went on there as it is for Joe C to tell you what he had for breakfast this morning.
Now, using his Marine Corps training and, like the good soldier he is, he has placed his phone number here and told certain bloggers, and anyone else who wants to hear what happened, to call him and guess what? You little babies who nag and bitch and complain are too scared to make the call. Boo hoo!
“Ah, come on now. Is ums too widdle, in ums widdle baby mind, to call Joe C because ums is scared to call Joe C because ums widdle identity may be known after widdle baby ums makes the call?”
You babies talk the talk but are scared totally shitless to walk the walk.
You want to play a new version of the game of “Wheel of Fortune” that you have invented called “Wheel of Blame”.
PAT SAJAK: “Hello everybody and step right up! Here’s how the game is played. You simply spin the wheel and hope the wheel lands on someone else’s name besides your own. It is that person who is to blame. If the wheel accidently lands on your name, you lose your next turn and can only spin the wheel again after all other bloggers are through.”
I wish you nay sayers will get it through your cult following heads that Joe C owes you nothing.
He has contributed more to this blog than any two of you combined. It was Joe C who actually went to the Stone County Courthouse and found out that the Pokeberry “parsonage” was purchased by the church. What have the rest of you done except bitch and complain? Zero, zilch, nada, nothing!
Joe C is a man who is dealing with wimps. And, I am not talking about the frog either. The “wimps” are those of you out there too scared to get off your asses and make the call. Too worried that, once you make the call, there will be nothing left to bitch and complain about. Oh, you poor babies!
“Did Joe C spoil your widdle widdle fun by meeting your demands head on and now your widdle widdle fingers are too widdle to use the phone to call Joe C? Pool babies! Don’t worry, Mommy is here and Mommy will protect your widdle widdle selves from having to call Joe C to find out the truth because ums is too widdle and ums doesn’t want to face the U.S. Marine, Joe C! Ahhhh! Poor widdle widdle babies!
Maybe one day, when ums grows up, ums will have the balls to put ums widdle widdle finger on ums widdle widdle phone and call Joe C so ums can find out the truth so ums doesn’t have to nag and bitch and complain on ums widdle blog about poor Joe C not telling ums what happened in the widdle meeting ums wants to know about but is too big of a baby to call Joe C and ask about. Ahhhhh!”
I picked a random episode to watch from the archive, show 1973, dec 01 2011
Main thing is that in 58 minutes, there were 2 songs that ran about 3 minutes each.
Grand total almost 48 minutes was NOTHING but Home Shopping...thats it HOME SHOPPING.
At about minute 51 he DID start yaking about Christmas. He was complainging about Xmas. If he would have Googled its the Greek letter Chi and in history wasnt considered insulting BUT whatever
People its Bakker we want, not JoeC
On the Rabbi episodes why does it appear there is food like fruit n plates on the table the rabbi is seated at?
Makes as much sense as the train coming out the wall and that floor.
Grace Street is a fucking mess
P.S.--"For Mom & Apple Pie & Blue Eye"
I support Joe C for Mayor!
The condos for rent look like every last piece of decor came from Big Lots or Walmart.
Whoever decorated the condos should be held accountable.
Honestly I'm shocked they have money for pools and Pokeberry lake homes considering the cheap looking crap in the condos.
Not just cheap but BAD.
This blog comments section has more accountability than Bakker.
Ron is like the CEO and with board members like Tanya and Jessica I think we can spread the word that frog man needs his ozark pseudo empire looked into by the IRS, FCC and state of MO
does Jim ever say WHAT the "ministry" does with the money it raises?
Other than Lori's House (yet to be built) and a big statue, what does he say they do with the cash they rake in????
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