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Saturday, March 24, 2012

Jim Bakker scribbles on Zach, talks junk with Bill Whaley part 3

Gord Pedersen: 'How does that Silver Sol shit work again?'
This is the final post for this episode. If you haven't already read the first part, please click here for part 1 of Jim Bakker scribbles on Zach, talks junk with Bill Whaley.

I wasn't aware that Dr Gordon Pedersen was the man behind Silver Sol, but he's the one in the commercial so now he owns it in my book. He tells us some gobbledy-gook about his miracle tonic, explaining that the particles of silver are so tiny that they can 'enter a red blood cell'. He says this is good because there's nothing to 'irritate or agitate', and that the particles of silver are just there to 'kill the germs'. I haven't been following the Silver Sol scene, but this sounds very, very stupid to me. Why would anyone voluntarily ingest something that is going to enter their blood cells and 'kill the germs'? How does silver know the difference between a germ and a blood cell? This sounds like an experiment the Japanese would do on Allied POWs to see how long they'd survive. Why would anyone even waste their time with this? It's so stupid it's laughable.

This is what happens when you follow Jim Bakker's advice
I did a little looking on this Dr Gordon Pedersen. Don't let the white lab coat fool you, because Gordon Pedersen is not a medical doctor. He has a PhD from a toxicology program which sounds promising, but in this press release he's billed as the “Anti-Aging Master Formulator” which causes my quack-alert siren to whoop loudly inside my head. I don't feel very comfortable here, Mr Pedersen. Didn't this silver stuff turn some guy's skin blue like a smurf not too long ago? I think I'll pass on your miracle tonic this time around. My body already does a good enough job 'killing the germs' and you know what they say: If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I'll tell you what though: When I'm on my deathbed, I'll take a swig and see if it does anything for me. Does it cure dying?

Jim Bakker's Blue Skin Ointment w/ bonus Amoeba Pot, $88
Zach announces a Silver Sol package for $600, then Sasha announces a case of 50 for $900. These packages come with Neti Pots. Why hasn't Jim told us the scary stories involving Neti Pots and brain-eating amoebas? Hasn't he heard about the people who have died after using them? It's strange to think that nobody on that stage has heard about the Neti Pot amoebas, and it makes me wonder if Jim's hiding the truth a little bit there so as not to cut into his own product sales. Blue skin coloring and brain-eating amoebas...that's two strikes against this Silver Sol package already. Yet Jim Bakker is still selling it with no mention at all about these serious risks? Doesn't sound very honest to me, Pastor Bakker.

Lori says "Wow!" while Jim gulps air
We're out of the commercial and back to the Junk Man Show with Jim Bakker. Jim asks a question designed to lead Whaley into a product demonstration, but the Junk Man's having none of it. These are direct quotes:
Jim:I've read that you help street people stay warm...One of the biggest problems people are going to have is when the power goes out. How do you keep from freezing?”
Junk Man:Let's go to the street first.”
Jim:Okay.
Jim just has to sit there and take it. He's on the couch, leaning on his knee and staring at Whaley, but he's powerless to do anything. The old coot just keeps going on. For her part, Lori loves listening to this guy. She turns to the camera and mouths the word 'Wow!' as Whaley talks.

Whaley grabs his papers as Jim dreams of a happy place
Uh oh, Whaley just stepped over into la-la land. Now he's talking governmental conspiracy against the poor, the homeless, and the 'working people'. He's using the fingers on his hands to count off each targeted group. Jim, you need to step in and stop this now. A man uncovering conspiracy at this level is a man that the government will do everything to silence. The FBI probably has a file as a thick as a book on this Whaley character, hell there's probably agents in your audience right now keeping tabs on him. You don't need this kind of heat Jim, you don't need it!


The Junk Kook spices things up with conspiracy talk
Whaley has now reached for a stack of papers to expose a Senate Bill designed, according to the Junk Kook, to outlaw people from growing gardens. Lori's little mind has been blown by this conspiracy. We hear her off-camera saying, "Unbelievable. Unbelievable". With his stack of papers in one hand, Whaley employs use of his other hand to count off even more targeted groups. He's talking farming, saying something about us controlling the food. He then says, 'Guess who else we control?' Then bam, an edit arrives just in time. Just in time to save Whaley's life, and possibly everyone at Morningside. Whatever information he had was bound to uncover conspiracy at the highest levels of government. They will stop at nothing, Bill, nothing. Now I understand why you live 'off the grid'.

The Junk Kook's audio was cut. What secrets did he expose?
The edit was abrupt, and now it goes straight to Bakker. Jim feeds into Whaley's conspiracy a little bit, talking about some weird government crackdown on an Amish farmer selling raw milk. The camera shows Whaley with a smirk on his face while he points to his papers and speaks, but there's no sound because it's an edit job. Wow, I wonder how long he droned on for before the kids cut him off in the editing room? How much more conspiracy is lying on the Jim Bakker Show cutting room floor? Maybe Jim Bakker himself is part of the conspiracy to silence the Junk Kook...you ever think of that one, Bill?

Finally, Bakker has taken back a little control. He moves from the Amish farmer straight into Lori's House, telling us that he's being called 'evil' for building a home to save babies. No Jim, that's not why you are called evil. You are called evil because you prey on the elderly and mentally-incompetent, earning their trust specifically so you can take their money. You are called evil not because you are building a home to save babies, Jim, but because you lie about why people call you evil.

Bakker: 'Oh my God, I've invited a lunatic onto my show.'
Jim turns back to Bill and pleads with him, “We can't get political. They'll put me away, Bill.” That's Jim's way of saying, 'Knock off the soapbox shit and get to the trinkets'. Bakker asks the Junk Kook how we can stay warm if the power grid goes down. Hey Bill, I'll take this one for you. Jim, the secret is layers. Thermals, jackets, whatever you have in the closet. You know the way you're dressed when you go outside in the cold? Just dress like that inside. Add a blanket if you need to. Burn some wood in a fireplace, maybe even roast some marshmallows! Next question please.


Whaley pouts after Jim shoots down his conspiracy theory
The Junk Kook was still thumbing the pages of his conspiracy documents when Jim told him to knock it off. I'm pretty sure he's pissed off now because he's acting like a bratty child who was just told to sit still at a Christmas party. He's back to flopping his hands up and down on the arms of his chair, and he has a little smirk on his face. Bill Whaley, a sixty-something man who once flew choppers in Vietnam, is pouting.

The Junk Kook doesn't like being silenced. Without neighbors, he pretty much lives in silence all the time save for his dumpster divin' wife. Deep down inside, I think what Bill Whaley wants are friends, people to talk to and people to listen. Unfortunately, years of living like a mountain man have made him strange. Picking through garbage is strange. Dreaming up conspiracy is strange. If he were a kid, he could break out of that strangeness bubble and live normally like everyone else. But the Junk Kook is already into his sixties. There's no changing a man who's had that much time to become weird. So, the Junk Kook's inner desire for friendship will never be satisfied unless he finds a friend who is also strange. And that'll just make him weirder.

Bill Whaley angrily snatches bag off table
Since the Junk Kook is pouting, he didn't accept Jim's first invitation to tell us all how to keep warm. Now Jim has to really prod him into action. Jim chooses his words carefully, saying “You have so many things, I don't know which ones you want to go to first. Do you want me to pick or do you want to tell me?” That bratty child who was told to sit down is now being told to pick a present and open it while everyone watches. Whaley angrily snatches an empty plastic bread bag off the table. This guy is cracking me up, he's really pissed off that Jim told him to stop with the conspiracy crap. He hoists the bag over his head and, in a condescending tone, asks everyone on stage what they would do with it. He has such a look of disdain on his face as he asks this, he's just dying to point his finger at everyone on stage and call them dummies.

Bill Whaley: 'I'm holding gasoline in my hand you dummies.'
After a pause, Bakker says he would throw the bag away. Kevin follows the leader and says he would throw it away too. At this point, I think they want to throw Bill Whaley away with the bag too. The Junk Kook looks down his nose at us and says, “I'm holding gasoline in my hand.” Kevin Shorey feigns shock at this announcement, and Whaley reiterates that the plastic bag can be converted to gasoline. He once again holds his prized plastic bag up, and then we get a very long, awkward pause. I thought my DVR froze, but nope that's just the deafening sound of silence on stage. Whaley has completely killed any amount of viewer interest in him with his pouting act, and now he's going nuts with the bread bag. Everyone, and I mean every single person on that stage, is on the defensive with him. They've all now realized that he's a lunatic.

Whaley's 'latex glove': The bane of canines everywhere.
The plastic bag is not just gasoline, Whaley tells us. It's also a latex glove that can be used to pick up dog 'droppings'. I'm very suspicious of this statement, Bill. Out in my neck of the woods, we don't associate latex gloves with dog crap. We associate them with people crap, and more specifically, the holes where the people crap comes from. Are you bread-bagging your hands and giving rectal examinations out there in 'off-the-grid' land? And who are you examining? There are exactly two people in those woods where you live, plus one unlucky dog. Please don't tell me you're...I just...don't you dare hurt that dog, Bill.

Bill Whaley's dog being inspected for worms
Whaley goes on about the multi-use bread bag. He uses it to store butchered chickens in the freezer, and god knows what else. He also puts his skid-marked underwear, ratty t-shirts and mismatched socks in the bag so they don't get wet. What about bread, Bill, do you ever put bread in the bag?

Bill wears the bags on his feet in the wintertime. He says he puts them on his feet, then puts socks over them to keep his feet warm. You're a military man, Bill. Isn't that a recipe for trench foot? Or do you use the water generated by your sweaty, suffocating feet for brushing your teeth?

Whaley ends his childish tirade by asking a question. With his prized bag once again held up with both hands and a voice filled with utter contempt, he turns to Jim and Lori and asks, “Why would I throw it away?” As he asks, he jingles the bag ends so that the plastic makes noise.

Jim talks Whaley down off the ledge as Lori daydreams
Jim got a lot more than he bargained for with this guest. Jim is sweating, oh man is he sweating. He moves to a new question, and as he poses it he sounds like a psychiatrist trying to keep a wild-eyed mental patient from setting himself on fire.

Bakker is really shaken. He says, “Bill, what you're telling us is we can use the things around us to survive. We don't have to lay down and die.” Whaley is folding the plastic bag into a neat square as Jim speaks. Bakker looks to the audience for applause and gets it, and then we see Jim with a look of worry on his face as he gulps down a mouthful of air. Disaster averted, but what's up next?

Bill Whaley loves knowing more about garbage than we do
Whaley has lightened up now. The tension was cut by the applause, and now Bill Whaley feels respected again. He grabs another piece of garbage, an empty spaghetti sauce jar. Actually, I wouldn't classify this one as garbage if you have liquids you want to store. It depends on the liquid, of course. I might use it for pickled eggs, while the Junk Kook might use it for urine bombs. Let's see.

God, Whaley is so obnoxious. He has a way of speaking that is demeaning to all around him. Lori picks up on it subconsciously, because now she's referring to him as 'sir'. He's an asshole without justification. He tells all of us dummies that we can use the sauce jar as a measuring cup. He also says that we can use it to serve drinks in. He suggests giving it to children to drink from, so if they break it they “don't break your good stuff.” You know what I would use your glass jar for, Bill? A baseball. I would tee that sucker right up, then shatter it into a million unusable pieces with a baseball bat. Oh hey, give me that bread bag too, it'll make a great noise maker. Just blow it up full of air, hold the open side closed, then clap your hands together quickly. Pop!

A frozen Jim Bakker tries to figure a way out of this debacle
Jim is frozen solid on the couch. Lori reacts well to assholes, she likes that sort of leadership, but Jim doesn't. He's not quite sure what to do here.

Now the Junk Kook grabs a 2-liter bottle that he chopped in half. It's not chopped well, it looks like he hacked it in half with a butter knife or clipped it down with nail clippers. I also can't rule out the possibility that he had his wife bite through it. Whaley is finding his groove now. He leans back in the chair and asks, “What can you do with a 2-liter bottle?” See that's the problem, Bill, it's the way you introduce your items. Stop asking us what we can do with your garbage and just show us instead.

Plastic bottle that Whaley's wife bit in half
You ask us questions that you think we can't answer in order to make us feel small. But it's not that we can't answer them, it's that we don't really care. You deal in garbage, the stuff I toss out with a smile on my face. Whenever I have to go back into my garbage to find something that was thrown out accidentally, I don't smile. I grimace and I hold my nose, and sometimes I even ask my wife for help because it's so disgusting to me. When you pose questions designed to make people feel dumb for not knowing the ins-and-outs of the garbage heap, you fail in your quest for friendship. Normal people don't like that.

From the 2-liter bottle, Whaley says he can make a water filter, ice holder, and funnel. Bakker breaks free from his daze and jumps on the funnel idea. Jim grabs the funnel from the table and tells us how we could use it to add gas to our cars if we needed to. Does Jim not know that gas cans come with spouts? I'll go one further: Does Jim not know that funnels can be purchased for a couple dollars at Home Depot? With the dollar Jim gave Lori earlier in the show, they're already halfway down the road to funnel ownership. See how easy that is, Jim?

Papa Whaley took little Jimmy's funnel toy away from him
Whaley isn't having any of Jim's gas-can funnel crap. He takes the funnel away from Bakker like a parent taking scissors from a toddler and completely ignores Jim's suggestion. I get the feeling that the Junk Man is thinking, 'Thanks for humoring us buddy, but let's leave the survival stuff to the experts.' Jim was still talking as Whaley took the funnel back from him, he even looked to his audience for support while stammering out, “Isn't that a good..good idea?” I hate to say it, but I'm actually starting to pull for Bakker in this fight. Whaley's a total jackass and needs to be put in his place. If Bill were an ass because he doesn't like Bakker, I'd be on his side. He isn't though. Bill Whaley's an ass because Bill Whaley's an ass.

"...teach a man to fish, feed him for a lifetime."
Ugh, the Junk Man tells us something about poking holes in the bottle, stitching it with twine, and adding bread crumbs to make a 'minnow catcher' for fishing. What happened to you out there in that Vietnamese jungle, Bill? What did you see that's got you so spooked? You're back home in America now, Bill. You don't need to do this, we are friendlies and you are safe. You can go to the store and buy bait from an honest man who is happy to sell to you. Hell, you can even skip the bait and just buy a fish! Don't worry, you will not encounter any VC here. No land mines, no crushed glass in your Pepsi. Just relax sir and calm down. Now please tell me: Are you carrying any knives or other weapons on your person right now?

'Wait 'till the Feds get a load of my urine bombs, muhahaha!'
Whaley is still obsessing over the bottle. He's showing us how he can add one of his black-painted glass bottles inside the larger plastic bottle, fill one of the two with soup (I don't know which), and cook the soup outside in the sun. As he's configuring this thing, it's making all kinds of annoying ripping and tearing noises as he tries to fit everything together. Why Bill? Why would I waste my time? What you are showing us is so unimportant, it really is. If I had a choice between doing all that menial crap to sun-cook my soup, or just eating cold soup...I'll eat cold soup, Bill. Really, I would.
[Bill Whaley] [showing me how to configure the soup cooker] "So you just take this piece here and add this part...wait, hold on, I think I'm missing something."
[Ron] [eyes glossing over] "It's okay Bill, I don't need all that stuff. I'll just eat it cold."
[Bill Whaley] [shock bordering on offense] "Cold soup? Who wants to eat cold soup!? Just gimme a second, there's a piece missing. We'll get your soup cooking in no time!"
[Ron] [looks at watch] "Bill, it's...it's fine. Can I have my soup back please?
[Bill Whaley] [red-faced and aggressive] "No you cannot have your soup back please, I haven't shown you how to heat it yet! Just give me a second."
[Ron] "These aren't seconds anymore, these are minutes now and I'm hungry."

Bill growls threateningly.

[Ron] [laughing] "Why are you getting so upset?"
[Bill Whaley] [screaming] "I'm not upset!"

Bill Whaley rubs his 40-grit palms together
Jim refers to Whaley's soup-warming contraption as a 'solar cooker'. I'm not sure that 'cooker' is the right word as I don't think anyone will be sizzling bacon in it anytime soon, but whatever. It gets hot, wow. Bill also says we can take a sand-filled soda can, paint it black, then set it in the sun to make a hand warmer. Ahhh, Bill knows just how to make things nice and cozy on those crisp Ozark mornin's. Bill really lays it on us thick with the hand warmer, even rubbing his hands together as he describes it. The sound his hands make when rubbed together are like sandpaper on a wood deck. Don't let the dumpy looks fool you, because the Junk Man isn't all about business: He's pleasure too.

The Junk Kook snaps rubber band off yet more garbage
Jim asks Bill what else he has for show-and-tell. I hope this is over soon because my Bill Whaley Junk-O-Meter is running into the red zone. I'm very near to experiencing a junk overdose, and I'm considering buying a furnace for all of my garbage to prevent it from falling into the hands of the other Bill Whaleys of the world.

Bill asks one of the Master's Media kids to pass him a piece of garbage that's out of reach. It's yet another crinkly piece of plastic. If this guy lived next door to me, he would drive me bonkers. I recycle. I have plastic and glass bottles wrapped up in bags on the side of my house, not stacked, just lying out there nice and clean, awaiting the few times each year when I have time to unload it all at the recycling center. If Bill lived next door, I just know that guy would be breaking my balls every couple weeks or so, asking if he could have my plastic. I'd have to tell him no, but then I'd realize that he's looking at my house and probably rooting through my garbage at night when I'm sleeping. I'd be powerless to stop him. It would drive me nuts.

The Junk Tornado unwraps loudly while Lori tries to speak
Whatever Whaley's next piece of garbage is, he has it encased in a plastic bag. Is that to keep it clean? He snaps off two rubber bands from the bag and starts unraveling the treasure inside. Meanwhile, Lori is talking, or at least trying to talk. She's saying something about the Master's Media kids, but Bill keeps driving on with his unpacking. He's like a Junk Tornado: All we see and hear is the crinkling of plastic, rubber bands snapping, and cups or pieces of cups flying about. Whaley's in his zone now, he has no time for Lori's child's play and small talk. Lori's voice trails off as she completes her sentence and stares at Bill, then we all listen and watch for a few awkward seconds as the Junk Tornado finishes unpacking. The ball is back in Whaley's court now.

Bill Whaley struggling to snug his water filter down tight
"This is a coffee creamer bottle. I just cut the bottom off of it." Whaley's face is glowing, he loves this stuff. "I went down to Walmart for $7 and bought me one of those Brita pitcher filters." Bill then drops one of those 'Brita pitcher filters' into his creamer bottle. It's a near perfect fit. Bill pulls down hard on the other end of the filter, you can see the strain on his face as he snugs the filter into the plastic bottle and seats it. He holds it up for us to see and declares proudly, "Now I got a water filter that'll filter 40 gallons of water anywhere I want to go with it." Bill, my good man...what you call a water filter, I call a smoking gun. Did you know that Jim Bakker actually sells expensive Seychelle water filters for over 3 times the price you just mentioned? In fact, the chair your sitting in was probably still warm from Dr Seychelle's last visit! Don't know who Dr Seychelle is, Bill? Well let me describe him for you, you might like him!

Detective Bill Whaley holds the smoking gun for all to see
First off, Dr Seychelle is not really a doctor at all, but Jim insists on calling him one and the fake doctor doesn't seem to mind. His real name is Carl Palmer. He has a face full of plastic surgery, is the CEO of a multi-million dollar company, and has what might be called a 'trophy wife' who operates as a 'Holistic Dental Hygienist'. That sound like your kinda' people, Bill? Or can I just call you 'Dr Whaley'...it'll make people trust you more!

You want conspiracy, Bill, well you just got one. A real one this time. You are now in competition with the fake Dr Seychelle and his froggy little buddy, Jim Bakker. You are on a show whose sole intent is to sell product. You, Bill, with all your quirks, are still at heart trying to help people. If you thought that's what Jim Bakker was about, you've made a mistake. The Jim Bakker Show is designed for product-sales, not people-helping. Showing people how to make a cheap water filter is a noble effort on your part, but in Jim's calculating mind, why would he give people something for free when he can charge them for it instead?

Jim got away from the $7 water filter real quick
Jim's subdued response to Bill's water filter: "Oh my lamb." Bakker had no idea this was going to happen and I can see the wheels turning in his mind, trying to figure out how to brush this under the rug as fast as possible without people catching on. We get one more sentence from Bill before edit: "That's how simple it is to have good clean water." Jim says, haltingly, "It really is. What's next?" Lori is next to Jim with a smile plastered on her face, but I can see her little mind chugging along as well. I'm pretty sure she caught on to the water filter fiasco too, but hell for all I know she's daydreaming about sex and crack-pipes. You never really know with Lori...one minute she's thinking about abortion, the next minute she's thinking about balloons.

Biker Chick Max tries to remember how much Jim's filters cost
As I said, a heavy edit took place here. The next time we see Bill he's snapping a rubber band back onto the plastic-covered water filter set that took him so long to unwrap earlier. No statement on this, Pastor Bakker? Shouldn't you be suggesting to us all that we save our money on pricey Seychelle filters and just build Dr Whaley's $7 filters instead?

We're back to Jim's first question about how to keep people warm, and Bakker once again refers to homeless people as 'street people'. Whaley grabs a large tin can and starts pulling metal objects out of it while Jim is still talking. Clank, clink, clunk. I know you're off the grid Bill, but I think someone is eventually going to find you out there because of all the noise you make. Do you get a lot of hungry bears out your way?

Bill Whaley removes small metal can from large metal can
The Junk Man is glowing again. I get the feeling he could talk junk, garbage and scavenging all day and night, then continuing on into the morning. Bill Whaley fails among men, but at the garbage heap he reigns supreme. Bill grabs Jim's sharpie, the same one used to write on Zach's forehead, and draws a square on the tin can. He tells us that we can cut out the square of tin, bend it over a stick, and 'put a nail through it' to make a frying pan. I have to say, when Bil grabbed the Zach sharpie and started drawing I was expecting a little more from him then a piece of tin attached to a stick. Let's throw that one out Bill, it's sort of lame. Even a gorilla could figure that one out. And by gorilla, I mean Zach Drew.

'Scuse me brother, any sausage cans to spare?
If we want to make a heater instead, Bill tells us to add a couple inches of dirt or sand to the tin can. Then we take a Vienna Sausage tin can, add wax and some pipe cleaners to make a candle. Bill, this one's even more lame. Where am I going to find an empty Vienna Sausage can? Do I need to find a hobo in a train car and rifle through his plaid knapsack while he's passed out drunk? And if I already have wax, wouldn't I also already have a candle? Bill, did you know they make things called tealight candles that can be purchased for less than a twenty cents a piece? You need to get out more and stop handling so much garbage, I think all the toxic metals have started to turn your brain into pudding.

Bill's still driving on with his candle heater. He tells us to place the sausage-can candle into the big tin can, then take a "big 62 oz juice can", poke holes in it and place it over the top of this unwieldy contraption to make a tiny, ineffective heater. I wouldn't even know what a 62 oz juice can looks like, but Bill has the sucker memorized. You've been hanging around the garbage heap for far too long Bill. Here's a life tip: If you converse with more rodents each day than people, then you need a serious change of lifestyle. It's not healthy for your mind.

Jim asked the Junk Kook for his thoughts on the economy
Bakker wants some fear-mongering from Whaley to close the show with. Jim asks the Junk Kook, a man completely unqualified to give answers on, well, anything, if he thinks the dollar is going to 'totally collapse'. Whaley says that this year the 'financial institution' is going to hit everybody and it's going to hit us hard. Jim Bakker, of course, loves hearing the unqualified Bill Whaley predict economic disaster. He looks to the audience and says, "Now listen to what he's saying people. This is what I've been trying to warn you and warn you and warn you..."

I'll get by just fine without your plastic bread bag, Bill
Finally, the show winds down. Bakker asks Whaley to address the critics who call his gimmick stupid. Whaley tells us "your dollar's gettin' littler every day", and asks, "What happens when you can't buy this?" Bill, if I'm so stupid that I can't figure out how to stay warm with all the extra clothes in my closet, or how to crack open a can of Campbell's soup and eat it, then I guess I'll just die. That really sums it up for me, I'd rather lose out and die then spend my life living in fear of ridiculous things like roving gangs, dying of thirst, starving, or freezing to death. I'm not a settler on the frontier.

But let's be honest here: The scary world you describe is not going to happen in our lifetime. We don't live in Sudan, we live in America. Among other things, we have police, military, business, and multiple layers of government filled with fellow citizens who have a vested interest in keeping everything under control. The doom-speakers and fear-mongers like Jim Bakker know this too. That's why they take cold hard cash as payment for their products and speaking engagements. They prey on dimwits who've been watching too many scary movies. Think about it for a second: if Jim Bakker really thought the world was going to fall apart, wouldn't he be doing something to prevent it instead of catering to it?

How much did Jim Bakker pay for your integrity, Bill?
Bakker ends the show with one final pitch for his Wheat Buckets. The high hopes I had for Bill Whaley's integrity have now vanished, because Jim tells us that every $100 Wheat Bucket sold today comes with a free DVD of the Junk Kook in action. We see Bill sitting in his chair, twiddling his thumbs and smiling as if he just swallowed a canary. Bill must be thinking that he pulled a fast one over on Jim, but believe me Bill, the only one pulling a fast one in this relationship is Jim Bakker. You are a tadpole swimming with the largest toad in the swamp, and he's been swimming in this swamp for years.

The show ends, then we get a five-minute commercial for foodbuckets.

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Tanya said...

@ April 9, 9:45pm anon: what a strange post! Full of contradictions, assumptions, and allegations - but you seem to feel left out, so allow me to assist, and respond:

You say you "used to like reading the comments" and that you now feel like you "have to be part of the clique to have a meaningful post."

All you have to do to join in, anonymous 9:45pm, is choose a screen name, stick with it, and post comments that interest people. I've only been around on this blog for a couple of months, since you've been reading these comments for awhile, you see how easy it is to participate.

You say Ron is a "genius" for writing this blog, yet you also say that Bro D/Craig/KAK/me are jealous of Jim Bakker, and we fill a "void" (you assume a bunch of voids - you clearly have an excellent knowledge of "voids") by regularly posting. How does this match with: (a)your positive assessment of Ron, the writer of this blog (the blog obviously takes time, effort, and care, yet you do not accuse Ron of filling a "void"), (b) you admitting that you read the comments regularly (what void are you filling?), and (c) your emotional reaction to feeling like you are not part of the "clique?" (it meant enough for you to post, so it must mean something to you)

You wonder why we try to be "heroes," that you don't care if people get "ripped off" by Jim Bakker, and you "*love* gettin stoned and watching bakker"...

Oh, wait.

Never mind.

Grandma Char Groupie said...

If you have something intelligent to say here, just choose a screen name and stick with it and post it. I don't see what the problem is at all. This blog, the last I checked, is open to everybody.

Grandma Char Groupie said...

Joe C for Mayor !!!

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Anon "Weeds" @ 945pm

ma is a hippie good people?

no billy jack a hippie is not good people

ma why is a hippie not a good people?

billy jack a hippie is not a good people because they smoke funny tobacco and talk silly like and say everything is groovy.

ma what does a hippie boy look like?

billy jack a hippie boy are big and fat, curly dirty hair, thick glasses and drive a faggy VW vans with a big stupid flower on the dash.

ma?

what boy?

ma, i been thinkin and i think a hippie is a no account that needs to git a friggin life.

good boy billy jack. here's some cake.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Joe C for Mayor!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Dissecting comments made by Bakker supporters on this blog makes for interesting (albeit one-sided) reading, but it doesn't accomplish anything.

I've contacted the Trinity foundation, dissected episodes that clearly show Jim and Lori violating the law while selling their wares and contacted news organizations in Missouri.

If you are really interested in seeing the Jim Bakker sham come to an end, put your effort into helping an organization, like the Trinity Foundation, by finding episodes, detailing them with verbatim quotes that are against the law, listing the times those quotes were spoken in the video and emailing them off to the people that have the power to bring it to the right authorities.

Until then, it's difficult to see the point in this, beyond entertainment.

Cleetus said...

Phantom Crapper for Mayor!!

Give em what for!! said...

Actually, I enjoy BroD. and Tanya, they post what they have to say and leave it open for anyone with opposing views to challenge them. Hey, you have to give them credit for their conviction and passion in sharing their beliefs. I miss it when they don't post as I miss Ron's blogging. Keep it up folks, I'm sure you have folks at morningside riled up at times.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Anon "That's Not Funny"@800am

If anything, I'm always trying to keep a funny attitude about the slow-motion train wreak called "Moronside". Am I sarcastic my dear friend? Well of course I am. Carving up zombie comments is entertainment for some and not others you say. Of course it is, I agree, but you fight your battle your way and I will mine. In my mind comedy is a double edge sword ... don't you agree? Oh ... have some dino carrot cake.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Cleetus,

LOL LOL LOL

Anonymous said...

Get off the Phantom Crapper's case. He was doing the right thing, that's what toilets are for. It was the lack of communication amongst the film crew and shabby editing that's where the blame lies. I don't fault the Phantom, when you gotta go, you gotta go!!!!!

Kool-Aid Kid said...

ma should good peoples watch people taking a poo on the tv?

no billy jack good peoples should not watch peoples taking a poo on tv

why should good peoples not watch people taking a poo on tv?

well billy jack it a word called "class" and it appears some peoples don't have it.

Brother Dortch said...

Smoking pot has been known to make people paranoid. How about watching the JBS while not under the influence of any drug and, after the show is over, collect your thoughts and post your opinion about exactly what you heard and saw.

If you are truly commited to stopping the Bakker fraud fest you must do a lot more than simply get high and read these comments. That accomplishes nothing at all except, as pointed out above, entertainment.

I enjoy all of the posters who work hard to say what they have to say here and Kool Aid's sarcasm is a welcome relief from a very serious serious set of circumstances that is often hard to laugh at. Tanya is a committed bucketeer and I appreciate each and every posting she puts on the board. 100% of them are well thought out and highly intelligent. This blog is lucky and fortuneate to have her as it is to have so many, both frequent & non-frequent contributors, that have wonderful minds. That is what makes any good forum succeed.

The only posts that stick out as being juvenile are the ones that are obviously written by the immature student crew and, as pointed out before here, these youth are desperate to try and prove the point that they are not wasting their life away in a crazy old age home kissing the butt of a bi-polar and bi-sexual fraudster.

This forum is for all people. Period. Select a screen name and don't be like the Bakker bunch. They all post under "Anonymous" because what they say is so crazy even they don't want it to be attributed back to them.

Ron has posted around forty blogs here which will soon have 100,000 page views. Obviously somebody is doing something right.

Hey out there all you middle men. While you're out there sittin' on a fence, get off your ass and quit your bitching and say something that makes good, good sense.

I can take up pages telling you what I, personally, have done to stop this con artist now I would like to hear what you have done in this regard too--besides bitch about bloggers you can't even see being too fat. Such allegations make you no different than the Bakker backer crew. If you continue acting like that, why don't you go to Jim's website and get the number for the condo rental office and move there. I'm sure Lori and Mondo and Zach would gladly smoke with you when you get moved in!

P.S.--I support Joe C for Mayor!

fed up with the fools at Morningside and JB ministries said...

TO BROTHER DORTCH:

A few questions for you concerning the posting by Betina. Betina claims Micheal Cole expected to much from Jim Bakker. Have the many people fired and discarded from JB ministry expected to much? Did Susan Ruiz and the many others at Morningside expect to much when they wanted some peace, privacy and to be treated decently? Are those old folks selfish if they move to Morningside and do not volunteer all the time? Does Jim have the right to yell at them for being selfish and lazy when they don't volunteer and work their butts off? Of course these are tongue in cheek questions and I believe I know your answers. Brother Dortch you are very patient with these fools from Morningside!

One more question, If Michael Cole "the dude" did not have the look or the magnetism for tv isn't that what a school for tv production is for, to train those with talent how to use the media effectively? How could Jim "find" Bebe and CeeCee, or Russ Taff, etc., but now can't find any good musical talent?

I think I smell a dead rat, and it's name is Jim Bakker.

Skipper said...

UNCLE HENRY FOR MAYOR !!!!!!!!
Grandma Maxine for Deputy Mayor!!!
Kool-aid-Kid for Pooper Scooper!!
Tanya, Bro D for Village Idiots!!

Booker T. said...

Michael Cole wanted too much too soon. Everyone has to pay their dues. The Beatles did, Michael Jackson did, Elvis did. Michael Cole got a big head when Tony Orlando heard them perform and gave Bakker the thumbs up (remember that). The majority of the performers at Branson have a solid history of performing (Mel Tillis, Lennon Sisters, Orlando, Glen CamBell, Andy Williams) Michael Cole was a flash in the pan, he was ungrateful, maybe? I don't know for a fact. Mike knows that he is welcome back to the fold anytime.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Ahoy there Skipper! I see by your flag that you believe in that hornswaggle "Bakker". Aye Skipper I thought so. Shiver me timbers don't ya know hornswaggle Bakker be a thief! Glad to hear that young Kool Aid Kid is keeping your poop deck nice and clean. Good kid. Clear sailing Skipper and don't be sad when you hear I sank Bakkers "Moronside". Down she'll go to Davy Jone's Locker!!!!!!

SusanD said...

All I have seen is reruns in the SW, for the last 4 days so I went to the live broadcast. Jim was on his pity-pot about neighbors voting down Lori’s house being built. OK here is my question is if voted down then why are they selling 2 crazy looking stuffed animals for 1000.00 for I care part II? Isn’t I care part I for Lori’s house??? OMG Jim just said he wished people just write million dollar checks lolol think he is loosing his mind.

I Voted Against Lori's House said...

Someone proposed earlier the idea that the students should set up microphones in the bath house and allow the phamtom crapper to record a full album.

You are a little late with that idea. Jim Bakker already thought of it. With his Morningside Records label going through a drought, and knowing the new found celebrity of the phantom crapper, a full album was recorded.

I have heard a bootleg copy of it and didn't care for it...it all sounded pretty shitty to me!

Cracker Jack said...

I would think Lori's house would attract the wrong elements to the area, minorities and poor white trash. In that respect I can understand Joe C. not wanting it in his neck of the woods. Joe C. had enough of that riffraff back in Jersey. I feel like Joe C., I say Lori's House should be kept in the inner city, we worked long and hard to get what we got and don't need or want that scum next door. They get knocked up by low lifes and shit bums and expect that everything will be hunky dory here. WRONG!!!! We don't want your kind here!!!!!!! Move to crazy California or liberal Massachusetts, we see things different here!!!!! I also support Joe C. for mayor, cause him and us here see eye to eye!!!

The chosen one said...

Tanya, Uncle Henry did answer your questions a while ago and you happened to conveniently skip that post so just move on to another subject.

I agree with others here that Joe C. is the "phantom crapper". He has been MIA since Jimbo greased his palms and was waiting for Jimbo to come into the stall to return the favor!

Where has Mondo been, and did anybody see Grandma Maxine on stage. She has arms as big as tree trunks and it reminded me of Popeye!

SusanD said...

I agree Cracker Jack no way would I want to be sitting on the deck of my house drinking coffee....to look out and see a bunch of knocked up women running around lol

Sherlock said...

Joe C. was caught by surprise and did not want to appear on tape. He saw Bakker and the crew coming and hid in the nearest stall. Joe
C. is the Mad Phantom Crapper.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Joe C For Mayor

Cracker Jack For Sheriff

Anonymous said...

"The only posts that stick out as being juvenile are the ones that are obviously written by the immature student crew."

Don't agree, Brother D. Quite a few posts on both sides strike me as being juvenile. Or, quoting Monty Python, "just silly."

Sometimes I wonder if many of the juvenile comments (again, written by both sides) are written by people too young to shave.

Every once in awhile, an insider will post some information about the Bakker clan's escapades that will be extremely informative and interesting.

But much of what I read here is playtalk. Just silly.

And the Dino cake stuff is really wearing thin.

the kid rules!!!!!!!!! said...

@ 1:54. I think there is a lot of pretty funny stuff in some of the opinions expressed. If not for KaK this site would be pretty dull. Kool-aid-Kid keeps an equalibrium in motion. He understands satire and knows how to express it. Some people just don't get satire, like yourself. To quote "body by Jake" Kool-aid-kid: "Don't quit!!!"

I Voted Against Lori's House said...

Yes there is silly talk going on by both sides here. Some people do not have a strong knowledge of Jim Bakker but want to post here anyway. That is OK. Humour is good. I have laughed myself silly on this site and am amazed at the wit some of the people posting here have.

The Bakker clan, especially the students, are overwhelmed by a mountain of evidence presented here which they choose to totally ignore. Then they go on a witch hunt here exactly like what they did to Susan Ruiz.

I have never seen a witch hunt here on behalf of the anti-Bakker bloggers. There is so much strong evidence to support what they are saying they don't have to make stuff up.

Anonymous said...

To Booker T @ 12:26,

Michael is welcome back in the fold anytime, are you kidding me! I don't think he would ever want back in and I am sure he is glad to be out of there! Talk nasty about him all over this blog and in your little village filled with "christians, and then you say he is welcome back. Have you no shame!! Yep, we all want friends like you people at Morningside. lolololololololol!!!!!

Anonymous said...

At 2;25....I agree with you 100%.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Anon"Juvenile Police"@154pm

Okay, a new day and a new zombie for the couch ... ;)

I understand you don't agree with Bro D.

"Don't agree, Brother D"

Okay ... go on.

"Quite a few posts on both sides strike me as being juvenile. Or, quoting Monty Python, "just silly."

Yes there are silly comments. Correct on that. Do you laugh much? Sorry, but I felt the need to ask. Did you happen to see Jim Bakker on tv with the corset jacket? Did it make you laugh? No? Okay we have a problem here.

"Sometimes I wonder if many of the juvenile comments (again, written by both sides) are written by people too young to shave."

Me shave? LOL Okay let's go on shall we zombie. Nice close shave you've got there by the way. ;)

"But much of what I read here is playtalk. Just silly."

You must be a barrel of laughs at the compound. I suggest you loosen up a bit. Ask Jim for the keys for the boat and take it for a rip across the lake. Drive the hell out of it. Have fun. Any last thoughts zombie?

"And the Dino cake stuff is really wearing thin."

Yes, I just knew you would say that Mr. Happy.

Session is over. No cake for you.

Mimosa said...

You know what the irony of the situation is? Some of shenanigans of the Bakker bunch is not funny at all? It's good to laugh, but still..........keep things in perspective. I'm sure some of them folks would want people to just laugh. Laugh and not take it too serious, all in good fun, Bakker and zach and the other guy are just "good ole boys". That's where Ron and Dortch and Tanya come in, to remind folks, of that.

Buckets R Us said...

Mimosa said...
Laugh and not take it too serious, all in good fun, That's where Ron and Dortch and Tanya come in, to remind folks, of that.
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I 100% agree.I started posting here and reading very early on. One point I made earlier that it was fun when he was only hijacking fool's out of their money...but when he started that whole Moldavia thing and started to get legit people that weren't aware of his underhandedness that is when I said someone should look into the entire operation at the compound. I am sure there are people that are taking notice that can do something. He is scamming parents into thinking he is running some kind of communication college while the paper they get is not fit for the "Phantom Pooper"

Uncle Henry said...

Joe C. cannot be the mayor of Blue Eye since he actually lives in Jersey, so I say GRANDMA MAXINE FOR MAYOR!

SusanD said...

I saw on Bakker's twitter account on Thursday Greg Brady is coming for a visit...I thought ok must be a Rev that I don't know about....nope it is Barry Williams from the Brady Bunch...Jim is pulling out all the stops.......

Kool-Aid Kid said...

JOE C FOR MAYOR

Anonymous said...

Oh Wow!!! Greg Brady of the "Brady Bunch"!!! I'll bet that cost "big" bucks, Lol, lol! to fetch him on the show, lol!! Wup de do!! who's next?? Maybe Yogi Berra? or even Joe Picopo. Sure gonna help the ratings!! NOT!!!!!!!!!

Uncle Henry said...

Jimbo can only get has beens to come on the show and they will only will appear if they have something to peddle!

Jerry Mathers said...

Next will be David Cassidy from the Partridge Family!

Anonymous said...

Hey, this Pastor Jim Bakker... I am here to let everybody know about the bath house party we're having this weekend. PLEASE, bring your own condies and pot. I will supply the poppers. And please, leave that hetro shit at home, Thx.

Sincerely big homo bakker

Anonymous said...

So I wonder what this Greg Brady is selling....

Tanya said...

Dearest "chosen one:" as I pointed out in my post, Uncle Henry has *not* answered my questions based on both my memory of reading each comment the first time, and my action of re-reading all of Uncle Henry's comments before I posted.

Did you miss the part where I said if Uncle Henry does not point me to his/her answers, or re-post the answers, that my timeline that outlines how s/he did NOT answer will stand?

Same goes for anyone else who comes here and claims Uncle Henry answered but does not provide any supporting evidence. I counter your statement that I "conveniently skipped a post" with my statement "there was no such post." You didn't find it, did you, "chosen one?"

Of course, you could be indulging in one of the more subtle forms of trolling - simply looking for a reaction.

It doesn't matter much, therefore, timeline stands as it is.

Oh, look, Uncle Henry posted at 3:34pm and somehow knows exactly where Joe C. lives - but Uncle Henry did not mention my post about the unanswered questions.

Looks like it is official.

Timeline stands as it is. Check-mate.

But wait, there's more!

Uncle Henry posted at 4:59pm and pulled a 180. Now s/he says that Jim Bakker only has people on his show that are has-beens and have something to sell - exactly what a *non*-Bakker supporter would say. Is that really Uncle Henry?

Ah well, it doesn't matter much.

Timeline stands. Check and mate.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Uncle Henry aka Skipper aka Anon is a bakker zombie.

Ron said...

I'll believe Greg Brady when I see him. Jim Bakker as we all know likes to promise things that he can't deliver on (like Heritage time-shares).

If 'Greg Brady' aka Barry Williams is really considering appearing on The Jim Bakker Show, I hope he understands that he'll be appearing on the Foodbucket Fanpage too. Jesus, Barry, have some self-respect. Have things really gotten so bad that you need to slink around with a convicted con man to make money?

Some of the comments these past few days have really made me laugh (The Gods Must Be Crazy reference lol). My thanks to the commentators, you all keep this blog running while I'm stuck in-between posts. I even extend my thanks to the mindless Bakker horde, you all do a good job corroborating the horror stories we hear about Morningside and the 'Bakker Zombie' in general. I would thank you for adding substance to the blog, but you don't. You guys don't answer questions, you don't even pick screen names. Can't you at least have the courtesy enough to choose a name? I can explain how to do this if you'd like, no problem at all.

Bakker supporters are free to speak whatever you'd like here, so why not add something substantive in defense of Jim Bakker, Morningside, or Master's Media? Tell the world the truth, you have the mic. Tear it up.

For you kids there at Morningside,
please be advised that you don't have to sit there and take crap from Jim and all the money-grubbing adults within his organization. If you want an education, go home and go to a real college. Jim Bakker's Master's Media is not a real college, you are not real students, and the infomercial Jim has you put out over the television airwaves is not real ministry. It's all fake, and the people who tell you otherwise are not looking out for your best interest. They are looking out for *their* best interest.

I don't understand the mechanics involved with 'voting down' Lori's House? Was this vote conducted only within the Morningside cult, or did it include Blue Eye, MO residents as well?

If it was only within the cult compound, does this mean that every Jim Bakker building project is voted on by Morningside residents? I find that hard to believe, and I'm interested in knowing how this worked.

Here's the real million-dollar question though: Where is the Lori's House money? Jim's been raising funds for almost a year on that thing, maybe even longer. That's a whole lot of missing and possibly misappropriated money. Some of it was already used for road construction and earth-moving, right?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it illegal for his tax-exempt organization to spend money collected for one effort, then stop midway through and redirect it for use on something else? If there was a vote required, why was this not done before any work (and spending of money) took place?

To the person suggesting that people file complaints through the Trinity Foundation, that's a great idea. I hope some others that have more time will do the same. Here's the link for reporting religious fraud: Report Religious Fraud I'll also add it to the homepage when I get time.

FYI, yes this is Ron. I will not be replying any more today unless it is from my official account. For anyone new here, the reason I announce this is because someone earlier was posting comments using my name. I could have considered those comments 'spam' and deleted them, but I let them stand because I wanted people to see the way Bakker's people operate.

Tanya said...

Just a quick 'thank you' to the people who were supportive &/or did not attack me personally: KAK, give em what for, Brother Dortch, Mimosa, Buckets R Us.

It was a nice break!

Jessica said...

Question for the zombies...does Bakker ever mention Jesus Christ and salvation? I never hear him say a thing about becoming a christian and the steps you need to take to be saved. I thought this was the purpose of being a christian to lead a sinner (like me) to salvation.

Bakker doesn't do this so shouldn't the faithful zombies question what they are doing? We know what Bakker is doing...he is taking as much money as he can get and setting himself and the Munster family up for their future when Bakker goes down.

Any zombie want to reply?? I won't hold my breath.

SusanD said...

Ron,
Jim said today it was voted down by 15 of his neighbors, then he said he was going to invite them to MorningSide to see he was a good guy.
I wondered about the money that was already raised for Lori's house where was it going now.

SusanD said...

Ron,
He said he was building too close to neighbors, so what happens most of the time the county sends out votes to the people it effects, so that would be Morningside, and Blue Eye people

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Joe C are you able to shed some light on this situation with the vote?

Craig said...

Silence from morningside.
I wonder if jim is going to start a love boat type of tv show. Bringing in some washed up and flamed out hollywood b lister to guest star in some crappy, poorly produced show. Wait, that's morningside rehab!!!! Lol.

Fly on the wall said...

In a recent meeting between local residents, Management of Morningside and local politicians, subjects were brought up about the legality of the annexation of the property Lori's House sits on. It is a portion of Brushy Creek Estates. There is a covenant within Brushy Creek that seems to exclude certain construction. Also,It seems, 15% of the property that they are trying to annex in, must border the land it is to be annexed into. It seems, in this case, the 32 acres does not fit into that realm. This, among other issues were brought up.

It was stated at the meeting that Lori's House will, in fact be built. It was stated by Morningside that there is a seperate account holding the funds for Lori's House. The vote was not to kill Lori's House construction but was in fact against the annexation of the property into the City of Blue eye, which all of Morningside is. There is scuttlebutt that the next move will be to try and annex the new 84 acre property.

One must keep in mind, 5% of registered voters were needed to strike down the annexation. I am told the total of registered voters in Blue Eye is about 125-150 people. Simple math will tell us it took less than 10 or 15 people to vote against the annexation.

Keeping this in mind, I was told Bakker is telling people they decided not to go along with the annexation out of the goodness of their hearts because they want to be good neighbors.

Make no mistake, Lori's House was not voted down.

Fly on the wall said...

The option is also there for Lori's House to proceed on the original, proposed sight. If this were the case, they would have to go through Stone County Planning and Zoning. It seems to be the general consensus in the area that they do not want to do that. I wonder why.(sarcasm on my part). It is my opinion that they will do everything in their power to not go that route.

Anonymous said...

Why is anyone who speaks out for a bit more serious content in these discussions called "a zombie." Kind of a lazy way to dismiss comments that may have some measure of truth or a large measure of truth.

Ron does much good work on this website and uses satire pretty effectively to point out all of the craziness that goes on with the Bakker clan and their disciples. I wish we could see more of Ron's good work and less from some of the compulsive commenters.

Many of the silly comments here, in my opinion, are counterproductive to the cause of seeing this Bakker mess tumble down. They (a barrage of silly comments) have potential to turn off a lot of people who would otherwise be supportive of the anti-Bakker cause.

So, now I will end this and await being condescended to as a "zombie."

The thing about confronting unethical behavior, immorality, and injustice is to not become like the bad guys in the process.

Tanya said...

Interesting information, 'fly on the wall.' Thanks for posting.

I guess we will see how this all unfolds over time. It does seem strange that Jim Bakker would raise money for so long, begin work on the road to the property (at least, Jim Bakker said he did and showed a photo of a dirt road with heavy equipment on it), and *not* have all the legal issues figured out. Then again, it fits into Jim Bakker's approach to date: act first and ask questions later.

I very much hope that the money raised for Lori's House *is* in a separate account, and being left alone while this gets sorted out - although I do not personally support Jim Bakker, given all that has been discussed in this blog and its comments, the people who gave money for this project deserve that.

Joe C Blue eye, Missouri said...

I have to agree with fly on the wall. Everything he or she posted is very similar to my interpretation of what in fact happened.


Lori's House construction was not voted down. The backlash was about the annexation of land.

Joe C Blue eye, Missouri said...

They did pave the road. It is paved all the way down to the tabernacle. The road from the tabernacle parking lot to Lori's House site is still dirt.

I took a drive that way a few weeks ago to check the view to my house.

I think I saw the New York skyline in the background Uncle Henry.

Tanya said...

@9:15pm anonymous: I chose to use the neutral descriptive "Bakker-supporter" some time ago - and despite the fact that this did not make any difference in the personal attacks, I have stuck with that choice.

Since my decision to use neutral descriptives, I have not automatically branded anyone a "zombie" - what I *did* do is post several comments that outlined serious questions for the Bakker-supporters to address. In response, I have gotten zero answers.

I'd also like to throw in a little side-note: if you read the comments you'll see I've talked about this a few times - ever since a Bakker-supporter posted (twice) definitions of various "internet trolls," anyone who opposes Jim Bakker's behaviour has been automatically labelled a "troll." I agree with you, that is a lazy way to dismiss comments that contain truth.

To get back on-point, if you are interested in contributing productively to this blog and its comments, may I suggest you choose a screen name, stick with it, and post your concerns - just as you did at 9:15pm. Since you appreciate Ron's "much good work" (as I do), glance back at Ron's 7:22pm post, and see that Ron suggested this as well: "Can't you at least have the courtesy enough to choose a name?" (3rd paragraph)

If you have evidence that some of the pro-Bakker posts have "some measure of truth or a large measure of truth," I would like to hear it. And actually, if you feel that there are pro-Bakker posts that contain a large measure of truth, I'd appreciate you pointing them out. As Ron also said in his 7:22pm post: "Bakker supporters are free to speak whatever you'd like here, so why not add something substantive in defense of Jim Bakker, Morningside, or Master's Media?"

I, for one, am happy to engage in some substantive discussion.

Joe C Blue eye, Missouri said...

Cracker Jack,
I am taking your comment as satire.
If, in fact, I come across as being a person you make it sound like I am, I am very much lacking good communication skills.

I think a home for un wed mothers would be, and is, a very noble cause. That is not the issue.


I do not remember ever reffering to anybody that might me residing in Lori's House as scum or anything else. Poor white trash? Have I ever posted anything even close to those descriptions of anybody? I almost feel like you put many words in my mouth. If I am wrong in my interpretation of your comment, do tell.

Branson Tri-Lakes News said...

Morningside plans home for unwed mothers
Friday, February 17, 2012 3:52 pm
by Mindy Honey

BLUE EYE — A 15-foot, 12-ton statue known as The Resurrected Christ is now on display at Morningside in Blue Eye.

The sculpture, a replica of the original, which stands in the Church of Our Lady, a Lutheran cathedral in Copenhagen, Denmark, arrived at Morningside earlier this year.

The statue is a permanent fixture at Jim Bakker’s development and serves as a fundraiser for another project at Morningside, a home for unwed mothers known as Lori’s House. The house is named after Bakker’s wife, Lori.

During a recent fundraising campaign, donors were offered a replica of the statue and will have their name placed on a plaque near the statue at Morningside.

Jim Bakker Show General Manager Jerry Jones said the home will give pregnant girls an alternative to abortion.

Jones said while many families tell children to not have sex until marriage, unplanned pregnancies still happen.

“We find a lot of parents shun the kids out because they are disgraced,” Jones said. “What we want to do is provide a real life option. We want to give an option for those unwed mothers and these unborn babies.”

Jones said the home will not only provide shelter, but medical care, counseling and vocational training.

“We want to teach them Jesus is the answer,” Jones said. “Pastor Jim (Bakker) always says at the end of the day, ‘Jesus loves you,’ and we want to show them that.”

He said they want the girls to be able to return to society, productive and able to care for their child.

He said the girls might train in Morningside’s restaurant, gift shop, day care or other job opportunities at Morningside. The home and all that it offers, will be available to the girls free of charge.

“We don’t want it to be an income stream for the ministry,” Jones said. “We want it to be an answer for these girls to not get an abortion. (Jim Bakker) wants to help save babies.”

The home is currently in the development stage. Jones said while they don’t have an exact timeline for the project, he estimates the home, which will house approximately 20 girls, could be completed between mid-summer to late fall of 2013. So far, a two-mile road, costing approximately $250,000, has been completed to the site where Lori’s House is to be built. Jones said the project is dependent upon donors helping fund the construction.

The Resurrected Christ statue is one of the many ways the Bakkers are raising money to fund Lori’s House.

Assistant General Manager Wendy Youngblood said the home for the girls is dear to Lori Bakker’s heart.

“Lori has had five abortions,” Youngblood said.

She said Lori Bakker had the abortions during a previous marriage. Since the Bakkers have wed, they have adopted five children, Youngblood said.

Now, Lori Bakker wants to give others a better option to abortion.

On Wednesday, the ministry purchased an additional 84 acres adjacent to the Morningside development. The new parcel will give direct access from Missouri 86to Lori’s House.

Youngblood said the property became available and with it being adjacent to their acreage, it made sense to make an offer on it. Youngblood said they are weighing the options, but at this time,do now know how the additional land will be used.

“We have several ideas,” she said.

Youngblood said they are not yet ready to announce what projects they are considering.

Brother Dortch said...

Re: The Phantom Crapper
Apr-11-2012 Show #2042

The Morningside Masters Media graduation show, which I viewed live, has now been sliced up like a loaf of bread and the "Phantom Crapper" has been removed. It is not the same exact show featuring the same exact content that I viewed when watching the show live. I am sure the comments contained in this very blog were responsible for this editing job and the removal of the P.C.

It should also be noted that the exact date of this show is also incorrect as it appears on Bakker's website. They are posting and showing the date of this show to be today's date: April 11, 2012
That is not true. This show actually took place and was recorded, as well as viewable on Bakker's very own live web feed, almost a week ago. it is not an April 12, 2012 show.

In the live show I viewed, Bakker presented Zach with a gift wrapped package that he told him to open. While fooling with the gift wrapping and attempting to open his gift, Bakker said he would give Zach time to unwrap his gift and get back to him. When opened, the gift contained something that looked like Jim had picked it up during one of his flea market trips. It was a dusty old antique still camera which Bakker said he wanted Zach to have to remember his vision for media, or words to that effect. In this new edited show, now placed online for all to see, the unwrapping of the package and gift wrap portion is now totally removed. It also now appears to me that additional construction footage of the bath house has been inserted into the bath house tour.

The remark by Bakker that he didn't know someone was in the stall has also been removed. I guess it is no surprise that this particular program was re-edited.

Also of significant note, is the fact that many of you here have never seen Theron & Lenora Ventura, who are Bakker's directors of the college. You can now see them both. Theron is wearing the pink shirt and tie and is speaking to Jim early on in the show. I am interesting in hearing your comments abot Theron Ventura after you watch this show.

You may recall that the Venturas replaced a prior couple who held their position who Bakker still hired after they were accused of allegedly embezzling money from their previous church employment in Florida.

You will also hear "The Masters Media Choir" which does not sound good to me at all. The choir sounds very weak and contains a section of the performance where Pastor Cedric Hayes is yelling out words at the top of his lungs, without having a microphone, and then the choir is singing the words the pastor yells out. This was done for dramatic effect. Let me know what you think.

I am sorry the Phantom Crapper will not be viewable on Bakker's website. I was wanting to make DVDs of it and send them out as gifts. We have all gotten a good laugh out of his appearance and now it is time we move on to the next mistake the students will make. Although, just between you and me, I think the appearance of the phantom crapper may not have been a mistake. I believe someone may have intentionally inserted this footage into the live show as a "senior prank" type of thing on the graduation show. Bakker would be unable to fire anyone who is leaving the compound anyway after graduation. That's just a thought. Now let's hear what you have to say after viewing the 2012 Masters Media graduation show as it now appears on Bakker's website. I'll be looking forward to reading all your comments.

SusanD said...

Thanks Fly on the Wall,
The way Bakker was rambling, saying it was the worse day of his life...was really confusing, what really happened! I did read a article saying they built the road down there that cost 250 thousand. Plus the article said he wants to train the unwed mothers to waitress, or work in the gift shops hmmmm most can't stand on their feet that long!

I Voted Against Lori's House said...

Jim Bakker also said he will be training the unwed mothers in the skill of "Gardening". How are they possibly going to make a living of off that?

fed up with the fools said...

I find it interesting that Jim is saying that the unwed girls who come to Lori's house will be "trained" to work.

They will be trained to work in gift shops, hmmm...like the General Store at Morningside. They will be trained to waitress, hmmmmm will they be trained at the Morningside cafe, and for various Jim Bakker Ministries social functions. They will be trained in gardening, hmmmmm would that be in Jim's pirvate gardens.

Sounds like another opportunity to get free labor under the guise of "training".

Anonymous said...

I would imagine the girls at Lori's House being taught a Vocational trade like landscaping, cutting grass, lawn maintenance that sort of thing is what Bakker has in mind. Maybe even start a commercial business: "Girls of Lori's House Landscaping service", that sort of thing. I doubt if it would go over big with the girls though, that kind of work can be pretty physical. Can't have your Dino cake and eat it too though. If the girls on Bakker's show are any indication of the Lori housee girls, they don't look like the most physical, the guys either for that matter. Case in point Zach or Nolan.

Craig said...

Interesting posts from Blue Eye and Stone County residents. Another question for these residents, who pays for fire protection, police protection, and the inevitable ambulance runs from Lori's Hoax? Remember, jim and morningside pay $0.00 in taxes.

Grandma Char Groupie said...

I see a lot of similarities here between Lori's House and Kevin's House. In both cases Bakker raises funds first before checking out the proper codes to see if he even has permission to build what he is raising funds for. Next he takes his pity party on TV hoping it may strike a sympathy chord with the old ladies and raise even more money. Kevin's House was shut down and now Jim has spent a quarter of a million dollars on a new road to Lori's House and the citizens don't even want the place built. Is there something wrong with this picture?

No Nonsense Norski said...

To: @ April 10, 2012, 9:15PM

I get what you are saying and totally agree.

There is a fine line between satire and snarky pre- pubescent comments.

I had to take a break for awhile - from the show and this blog, just to clear the air.

Ron, we need another post - and SOON. please! :-)

BTW, 9:15 - please choose a screen name. It's easy!

Kool-Aid Kid said...

It's been a long time since you last posted Joe C and I was getting concerned. I thought the zombies had got you! ;)

Take care.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

The way I see it there are roughly five groups appearing on Ron's blog on a regular basis.

Bucket People: People that support the prinicipal goal of Ron's blog. I think we all know what I mean here.

Bakker Supporters: People that truly follow the vision put forward by Jim Bakker concerning his church, college, Lori's House, ect.

Zombies: Bakker fanatics that may or may not have a "drink the kool-aid" cult belief to Jim Bakker. This blind faith in Bakker results in "signature" attacks on this blog that can easily be seen to come from fake students and compound lifers.

Trolls: Individuals drifting through that care not about the discussions in the least and prefer to attack individuals on all fronts in the same insulting manner.

Visitors: People that are curious about what Ron's blog is all about. Some stay and some disappear. I'm sure most of us arrived at the Bucket this way.

Anonymous said...

KOOL-AID-KID FOR MAYOR
JOEC. FOR HELPER

Kool-Aid Kid said...

hahahahaha LOL

;)

Tanya said...

Brother Dortch - didn't Jim recently give an old camera to someone else as a gift? I think it was Mondo... Jim said that the old camera was a gift to remind Mondo (or whoever it was) of their time in L.A. Zach doesn't even rate a personalized gift, it seems - he gets the same gift with a slightly different explanation.

Now that Zach has "graduated" is Zach free to go start his Youth Ministry that he has supposedly been trained for? Or will he stay at Morningside and become a "professor?" And I just thought of something else - didn't Jim say that Zach had been at the "school" for 4 years (and also said therefore Zach should get a PhD in media) - who else "graduated" and how long were those people at the "school" for?

Tanya said...

Saw another episode of the Tammy Sue shows - they got split up in my area, I think this may have been the 3rd one with Tammy Sue.

Jim Bakker was sharing stories of his family - talking about his brother who died in his 40s, his son Jamie (the venom directed at Jamie for what he preaches), and all the terrible things that were done to Jim's family members in the past by "religious people." These were intended to be highly emotional stories, as Jim raised his voice at times, cried (no tears), and said he hated religion because of what happened.

Then, after all this 'emotion,' Jim spoke about how his church wanted to kick him out for playing rock records (when he was a teenager), said that his Grandma Irwin always loved him unconditionally, and that he remembered eating licorice at her house - he stopped the story there, and said: by the way, we're coming out with a Jim Bakker licorice, sugar-free, a healthy licorice for the old folks to eat, made with molasses and good stuff, not the garbage they make now. And, Jim added that red licorice is not real licorice.

Jim Bakker can't even relate emotional stories of his family without selling product.
He already sells Jim Bakker cereal, now he is going to sell Jim Bakker licorice... in past shows he said he planned Jim Bakker peanut-free peanut butter... it seems more and more like a late-night infomercial.

Anonymous said...

Norski. Thank God someone here gets the point that intelligent satire (such as Ron's) and pre-pubescent snarky comments are not one in the same.

I've only posted here for a few times, but it seems that anyone who questions the benefit (to the cause of bringing down the Bakker empire) of those kinds of comments is immediately labeled a Baker supporter, moron, etc.

Is the distinction really so hard to make or are the post responders not really reading carefully and understanding. Thus, the knee-jerk "you're on the side of the bad guys" responses to posters who clearly state they are opposed to the Bakker kingdom, but aren't big fans of the "snarkiness" from some of the Bakker opposition here.

The recent information and discussion about Lori's House has been a breath of fresh air. A welcome break from the seemingly never-ending supply of bathroom and Dino cake jokes.

J316

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Tanya,

What I remember to date is the frog talking on tv about a Jimmie Bakker pop, health bar, peanut butter, cereal and I guess we can add licorice to the nightmare now.

Were shoe lifts ever mentioned??? lol

As a gift the frog should have presented fat Zach with a king sized felt tip permanent marker.

No Nonsense Norski said...

Shoe Lifts!

King-sized Marker!

THAT'S funny! "-))

Anonymous said...

Dino cakes are a part of the Bakker culture. He does not do it anymore but they would give those out on a regular basis. Using dino cakes as a source of satire has merit in itself and will forever be associated with Jim Bakker, there is nothing wrong in that.

SusanD said...

Here is something to lighten every ones day....Zach Drew singing I like them Big and chunky

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eyl9qc1__S0

Jessica said...

I sat through the show today..I had to dumb down, because I was listening to Idiots yakking away. I could hardly get through to the end. I marvel at Ron who endures this crap to give us new blogs.

I tried to take the high road and have a discussion of merit (like the salvation message) and I was an idiot to give it a try. Its like light and darkness and they can't connect. No zombie is going to reply...they just don't understand the questions. They are not going to save anybody...they are playing a game along with Bakker. How many years they invest will add up to zero in terms of education. There is no future for them....they might as well continue to embrace the con game and hope something clicks down the road for them.

I do not feel sorry for the poor old people that have given money to this creep, because in this day and age they knew exactly what they were doing. They are at the show because they agree with all that goes on. Bakker should just ...continue the party as usual!!!
Its a game the zombies (brainless) play and has nothing to do with Jesus.

So I will post to their level because they have no decency and what a joke this whole scam is!!!

Bakker said God has been speaking to him this week, NEWSFLASH!!!! Frog...God has been speaking to me too...suggesting a new segment for the show called "What's My Line". Important people from the past might want to be a part of it, if the money is good enough! If Jessica Hahn isn't booked up she might be interested in being the "mystery guest" and Bakker can wear the blindfold..listen to Bakker squeal now.

Craig said...

To those that think the bakker backers shouldn't be called zombies, I want to point out two points :
1. A cult needs members to exist.
2. A cult leader needs followers.
They are co dependent. One to cannot exist without the other. To believe whatever bakker says a person must be brain dead. To support his beliefs and defend his actions, one would need to ignore his past and present offenses.
Hence, they are zombies.
One last point. If what jim is doing (hiding behind a fake non profit and claiming little income while living in a lake "cabin", driving a new pick up truck, and has a new speed boat) is legal, why doesn't every private business declare themselves as a fake non profit?

Anonymous said...

Kool-aid-Kid needs to knock off the "toilet humor" and dino cake references, like a previous poster mentioned it is getting a bit too lame. I'm not saying he should leave just tone up his humor a bit and act a little more dignified. Lay off the personal attacks and act more like an adult. They say he has a big fan base but I think his fans are about 12-14 years old and like him have a lot of maturing to do.

Brother Dortch said...

Tanya:

When Jim gave the old camera to Zach he said that he (Jim) liked old cameras so he wanted Zach to have one too. I did not see the episode where Mondo got the same exact gift but that certainly does not surprise me. Bakker probably got the thing at the flea market for $5.00.

Regarding Zach, he is just now in his 4th year and he has "graduated" three times. In Bakker's college you graduate after one year. Most kids leave after that. If you stay, you "graduate" again. I noticed that this year, in addition to the fake diploma, Bakker is also giving the kids another awards certificate in whatever position you worked at. The girl who did makeup got an award for makeup and the guy who ran audio got an award for audio, etc, in addition to their diplomas. In a real college you spend 4 years and get one diploma. In Bakker's college, you spend 4 years and get 4 diplomas and some awards certificates thrown in for good measure. When Jim said Zach should be given a PHD it was said because Zach is the oldest student there and the only one who has wasted what will soon be 4 years of his life there. Zach has trained some students to do certain jobs in the control room but is not classified as an official teacher to my knowledge.

Also, grandson James, I believe, has also been there 4 years but he is family and is therefore on the payroll and is a teacher at the college. He does not live in the dorm, he has an apartment that he shares with another guy who is not a student.

You may also remember the big announcement Bakker made in saying Zach was going to be put on the payroll. Nothing has been said about that ever since. I suspect that when Bakker allowed him to preach his "secret codes" sermon at Grace Chapel he probably got very little pay for that. But the real "Associate Pastors" who kept getting fired one after another all demanded a real pastor's salary and, when Jim was able to get Zach for pennies on the dollar, he went for it and that is probably the extent of Zach's payroll experience at Morningside. He is not free to start his own youth ministry. As a 4th year student he must remain a slave and rear end kisser to Bakker.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

You know what bakker support you will get your wish ...

No, just pulling your leg! LOL

If you find my comments about dino cakes and toliet humour lame then I suggest move your eyes quickly across my comments without reading them. Kind of like the frog does when he looks at bible passages. Right? Right? ;0

Anonymous said...

Kak, bro d, tanya, etc.=PREDICTABLE LOSERS

For instance, I am now the new Morningside math 101 professor because I used an equal sign. Lol. What, no cake for me? Are you gonna call me a "phantom proper", lol. What about calling other people fatso, fat, frog, zombie, rednecks, hillbilly, inbred, the list goes on. How old are you guys. Ron, you spew hate. Are you good people? Keep fighting the good fight. Lol nobodys ever gonnatake you morons seriously, sound like a bunch a 6th graders

Kool-Aid Kid said...

The Zombie Finally Breaksdown @ 136pm

Oh good you finally came out! Little pokes for the last few days and now this comment! Awesome.

hello zombie! ;)))

Theron said...

I was directed to this site to clear up some confusion.

First, Bro Dortch do you have something against my pink shirt?

What a coincidence that there is no "phantom crapper" in the graduation episode. Thats because you made it up. Just a figment of your imagination to elude all of the questions asked of you. It's funny how you are the only one who saw "him" in the stall.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

I liked the way you came across to me as a mature person that was disgusted with my toliet humour, ect. for the last few days. Good but not very convincing for me. You have it wrong zombie ... you are the one that looks like a 6th grader. Good try.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

JOE C FOR MAYOR

Jessica said...

Hey!!!!Leave KoolAid alone. What's your problem? Dino cakes and toilets are part of the Bakker show.. lighten up poster.

To address the remark about Kool Aid's fans must be 14 or so....Check this out buddy....I'm over 21 under 50 and I am employed by a Government Agency, so I passed the intelligence test. So zombie take your lumps and just waddle away and

JOIN BAKKER AND HIS SOWING AND REAPING PARTY!!!

burnjimburn said...

KAK,
you have been giving me some great laughs lately.
.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Thanks Jessica and burnjimburn

;)

Anonymous said...

KAK you should lay off references to 'dino" cake, that is a genuine product and is sold to hundreds of people daily, you act as if it is a figment of someone's immagination. The guy makes a living making and selling those cakes and what has he ever done to hurt you. Dino K is a good guy and religious. Also, I'm glad that the poster gave you hell about what you try to do on this site. You like to put down folks and make fun of people you don't even know. Stop acting like a fool and get your head together. You could probably add something to this site if you tried. Stop being a punk and man up for once in your life. It'slike you want this site to be all about you and your misadventures. Lay off Zach, Nolan and Kevin, they don't bother you. PUNK!!!

burnjimburn said...

this is a video of zach drew pretending to know anything other than lying to old people and eating. its sad.....fat zach is just sad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCcE555JVsg

Craig said...

Welcome Theron,
If that was broadcast as a live feed then an edit surely needed for broadcast. If it did happen as Bro D witnessed then it is on other servers and will surface again. I hope it makes it to u tube.

Anonymous said...

Kak, get a friggin life!

burnjimburn said...

oh and just so you know you cant post comments freely. just tried to post a comment telling him to kill himself only to see that it has to be approved

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Lots of poop being flung by bakker zombies right now.

(they must be getting it from an unflushed toliet in the bath house I bet. )

What am I to throw????

I know ... dino carrots!!!

better duck zombies cause I'm a good people with a good people arm!!

Felix said...

I also agree there was no such thing as the "Phantom" crapper. The definition of phantom is: A ghost, a figment of the imagination. Since this so-called phantom obviously was seen by an individual he exist and is not a phantom at all, but an actual living presence an entity.

SusanD said...

burnJimburn,
I tried it too! lol

SusanD said...

On yesterday live show Bakker also mentioned about the statue not having the names of people that gave, said it didn’t make sense till people were done giving (does that mean it will be years from now??).

Tanya, that camera does look like the one Mondo gave Jim. Guess he is regifting hahahaha

Craig said...

Lol Felix.
That stall was occupied by a real person. I am sure after eating Foodbucket slop, the first thing you look for is an open toilet.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Felix

damn ... I can't call it the phantom stinker anymore. Of well...
Good work.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Craig,

... or an empty space food bucket.

Anonymous said...

To "Brother" Dortch.

Your post was brought to my attention by my daughter, who knew I would not let this go unanswered. I will keep this short and to the point. Everyone who knows me will tell you that there is one thing I cannot abide and that is, self-rightous, Psudo-Christians.

You are free to hate Jim Bakker all you like. Feel free to do so, as you are only damning yourself on Judgment Day. That being said; however, you are not free to use my name nor my wife's to make false allegations against Jim.

My reasons for leaving Morningside were of my own doing and the fault of no one else.

Please, in the future, refrain from claiming to know things which, in actuality, you know absolutely nothing about!

Thank you,

Randy & Melody Brown and Family

P.S. If you choose to respond, I will NOT be returning to such a horrendous site as this to see it.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Rip him a new one Bro D.

Brother Dortch said...

Ladies & Gentlemen I present Jim Bakker's Director of The Morningside College, Mr. Theron Ventura!

Theron, if that is really you (and I'm hoping it is) you have just become the very first Jim Bakker employee in the esteemed history of The Jim Bakker Food Bucket Fanpage who has actually has the balls to come on this site and post under your real and true name without concealing your identity. I am going to give you a lot of props for that. You are a gentleman of virtue and strong character--a giant among men!

Check my postings. I have never once said a bad thing about you. I have nothing against your pink shirt either. It was good to see you on TV last week in the unedited episode. Now put him back in! You have ruined my entire Christmas stocking stuffers idea for next Christmas. I was going to put your graduation DVDs in many stockings and now I have to come up with a new plan! Also, say hello to your wife, Lenora, for me. Tell her she is welcome to post here under her real name too.

The reason I have laid off you, Theron, is because you are Jim's "paperwork guy" and not the real director of the college. Times are rough. Everyone needs a job. At least you have never, unlike your predecessors, been accused of embezzling funds. I think that is admirable.

I am glad you are here and don't make it your last time. That is, if it is really you. There are some good people here and we certainly can all use a good laugh. I want you to stop by on a regular basis and tell us what is new and exciting with the college.

Do you have future plans on accredidation? How about sex in the dorm, has it been a problem this year? Spill the beans Theron...you know, those beans that are just like the ones Grandma picked and snapped...and have a good day!

Heard it before said...

To Randy: Oh you'll be back!!! They all come back!!!! You'll be back cause you love it here!!! Kool-aid-Kid makes you laugh. Admit it! You little trickstir!! You little minX!!!!!

Craig said...

@Randy
Thank you. You explained in your first paragraph why you left morningside.
No further answers required and good bye.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Randy brings the jim bakker "freak storm" to a new level. ;)

This guy wears too tight of underwear ... it's stopping the flow of blood to his zombie brain.
LOL

Brother Dortch said...

Re: Randy Brown

Kool-Aid, Nope I am not going to do it. Randy has moved on now and I hope he is doing well and happy. I truly do. I just wish he would see the postings I made where I said he was an excellent musician and the best piano player Jim Bakker ever had. I truly believe that too. He was impeccable in his style and I always enjoyed listening to him.

But, before I close, where is the most recent piano player, "Chubbs" on the keyboards? I haven't seen him in at least two or three weeks now and they appear to have replaced him with another chubby fellow I know nothing about. Someone fill me in. What happened to "Chubbs"? He had a lot of fans here !!!

Questions for Randy said...

Do you make only $400 a week like Bakker?? Is he bullshitting us? What do you know about Joe C.? If You had a choice and were starving would you eat that freeze dried stuff Bakker sells or a dog? What's really in a dino cake? How many of those Morningside kids are gay? Do you really have to bribe people to sit in the audience?

Anonymous said...

So how exactly are you any different, in God's eyes, than Jim Bakker?

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Okay Bro D. ;)

Anonymous said...

What do you really feel about Muslims?

Craig said...

@Kool Aid Kid. Lol. There's more than one reason to call them shit buckets.

Theron said...

God Bless You Randy, Melody, Kelsey and the rest of the Brown family!

Brother Dortch, I would also respectfully ask you to refrain from using my name in any future posts also since your comments are false and misleading!

Kool-Aid Kid said...

....... false and misleading. Kind of like Jim Bakker's whole tv show. LOL

Craig said...

@Theron. You buy into jim baker's fake school (with zero accredited teachers and a zero percent placement. Please tell us how Bro D is a liar.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

CHUBBS FOR MAYOR

Anonymous said...

Very mature Craig.^^^ LOL

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Anon ^^^

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Anonymous said...

Can't go wrong with; KEVIN SHOREY FOR MAYOR!!! He'll work hard to keep city hall honest.





Paid for by the Kevin Shorey for Mayor committee. Jim Bakker chairman.

Craig said...

Thanks 4:34. Better than calling me immature.

heeding Mathew 7:15 said...

Randy Brown @ 2:46 says...."You are free to hate Jim Bakker all you like. Feel free to do so, as you are only damning yourself on Judgement Day." Mr Brown sounds like another Holy Ghost junior passing judgement on who he believes will and won't be going to heaven. He also sounds like another Jim Bakker self- righteous pseudo-christian.

Randy Brown, as I remember well, was another one of Jim Bakkers partners in crime. He helped Jim fleece the flock daily. I also recall his wife was part of the kids "school". The school is now another part of the "ministry" that is defunct. How many were led astray by that lie and moved there to draw in young families with young children for youthful laborers? After all it is hard to get good free labor from older people with health issues.

I suppose Randy and his wife have moved onto another "ministry". It would be good for the IRS to investigate their "ministry". To be affiliated with, and a supporter of Jim Bakker means you are made out of the same "cloth"!

Randy said that his daughter tipped him off to Brother D's post. Is this the daughter that use to direct the "Jim Bakker Scam Show"? Mr. Brown said he "won't be returning to a horrendous site as this." If this site is so horrendous why is his "christian" daughter visiting this site?

Mr. Brown is such a good christian, better than you and I, because he can determine who is going to heaven and hell. It's amazing we have so many of those shepherds in the flock, Jesus did warn us about these men! There is one thing I cannot abide and that is cons in the pulpit!

Anonymous said...

There is absolutely no credibility to this 'blog' at all.

Dortsch comes on and lies about a family and how they were treated at Morningside.

The family comes on and refutes what Dortsch said - and they get attacked!

Despicable place.

There is nothing about this site that has credibility.

The IRS said...

For anyone who would like to report Jim Bakker and The Jim Bakker Show to the proper authorities, links have now been added in the right-hand margin for your convenience. If any Missouri residents are reading, I've also included a link to the MO State Attorney General's office where you can easily file a complaint online.

Why should we as taxpayers be forced to subsidize Jim Bakker's sham ministry?

No more posts from me today unless through my official account.

Craig said...

@5:55. You have that reversed. There is no credibility to an anonymous post chastising others for their opinions. Give yourself a name and keep it.

Anonymous said...

Do not presume you can instruct me in anything.

Craig said...

@5:55 Let me go further with this. Someone has posted in Randy's name. Doesn't mean it is him. Some zombie posted in Ron's name, it wasn't Ron though. Never underestimate a zombies stupidity.
Maybe it was the real Randy, it was still a stupid post for the Foodbucket. Again, this is not the forum to lift up praise for the fake pastor and prophet. He has his own blog for that.

Anonymous said...

There was nothing 'stupid' at all about Randy Brown's post. He set the record straight. A record that had been lied about here on this 'blog.'

fed up with the fools at Morningside and JB ministries said...

To Anonymous @ 5:55,

You say "there is no credibility to this blog at all. Dortsch comes on and lies about a family and how they were treated at Morningside. The family comes on and is attacked! Despicable place. There is nothing on this site that has credibility."

Let's start:

Jim Bakkers "ministry has NO credibility"!

Food buckets for orphans - not shipped - where did the money go?

Master Commission Program promoted but then leaders leave since program is deviated from the intent of the real Masters program for Jims version of the program. Many students leave. Nothing about this change announced on air before many families made commitments and spent money to get their kids to that out of the way place.

The Browns started a Grammar school. It closes, Nothing is announced on the air the school is suspended. You take offense and come to the defense of the Browns. How about Susan Ruiz and the others abused by you "christians". You are very selective in who deserves your kudos, and it's only the fools who will join Jim in his criminal acts!

Lies about the placement of former Master students into jobs obtained as a result of their time in the program. Truth is not one person has a credible job in the media industry. Several are waiters and waitresses in restaurants, one is delivering pizzas, a couple are now in credible colleges, many have no jobs at all.

Distortions on the quantity and quality of the food bucket servings.

Last week was the most important week in all of Christendom and not a show all week dedicated to the death of Christ and the Resurrection and the joy of salvation extended to all through His sacrifice. That is the GOSPEL and it was never presented!!! A true Christian show would be all about the death and resurrection!!! Jesus said to go Make Disciples of all Nations. If you don't even tell people about Jesus's most important act on their behalf then GET OFF THE TV AND QUIT BEGGING FOR MONEY IN HIS NAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I could go on and on with examples of how this "ministry" is not a credible representation of an upstanding, Christ honoring ministry.

You people who defend Jim Bakker and his defrauding Christ deserve any rebukes you have coming to you! There is nothing credible in a Godly sense for you all. This ministry lies, distorts the gospel, defrauds the gullible and undiscerning daily. You serve a false god and his representative, Jim Bakker! You people are DESPICABLE!!!!

Craig said...

Fine 6:53. Let it stand. But for the record, I think it was you posting as Randy and is as fake and phony as everything about bakker and morningside.

Anonymous said...

You at 7:01 have a serious issue with distortion alright. I have seen your hateful rants. You are no Christian. Christians don't talk like you do. They don't hate like you do. And they don't JUDGE like you do. You need to repent and get right with God. You are not a judge as you fashion yourself - you're an accuser. You have gone over to the other side and you don't even know it.

Anonymous said...

Save your long-winded breath 7:01... your hatefulness is right out there for everyone to see. You talk about discernment... discern your own hateful heart... and repent.

Craig said...

Lol 7:09. I give you credit for longevity here. But talk about distortion? I propose you check what the fake pastor preaches (when he's not selling worthless shit) against what the bible says. His whole theology is based on revelations and his misguided interpretation. Although, I am sure jim believes none of it, he uses it to scare you zombies into buying his junk.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Anon Ohhhhhh ... despicable! @ 555pm

Here's an extra big slice of carrot dino cake. Why extra big zombie? Why, to fill that big cake-hole you have! ;)

Craig said...

The trouble with morningside, besides jim, is you cult members are impatient. Not only do you want the world to end soon but you want a miracle a day until it happens. Fake pastor jim has a vision and it happens (with money he's conned from you idiots). He isn't dumb, but you zombies that follow him sure are.

Tanya said...

@10:44am - who I am guessing is also 9:15pm by the statement "Thank God someone here gets the point..." - in addition to agreeing with you, No Nonsense Norski also suggested you choose a screen name, as s/he said "its easy!". If you truly want to participate, it would make sense to take Ron and Norski's suggestion on board - and choose a screen name.

I see you ignored the quite rational comment from Kool-Aid @9:38pm. You also ignored my 11:28pm about how my choosing a neutral descriptor made no difference to the responses in these comments - and you ignored my point (that I have made several times) that anyone who posts and states an opinion against Jim Bakker's behaviour has been automatically labelled a "troll."

In fact, your post basically repeated your other identifiable post. If you have anything to add to the conversation, now is a good time to do it.

P.S. did you find the comment from Kool-Aid about shoe lifts and King-sized marker funny? Or are those still "pre-pubescent snarky comments?" No Nonsense Norski found it funny (12:31pm). I'm just interested in where you draw the line.

P.P.S. what do you think about the 1:36 post that called the identifiable 'anti-Bakker-behaviour' posters "predictable losers?" Pre-pubescent and snarky? Or was that OK?

Anonymous said...

I'll tell you who's dumb... losers who spend all their time on blogs like this trying to talk about things they don't understand and never will. Reminds me of the old saying, ""Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig."

This can be interpreted to mean that there's no point in trying to carry on an interaction that's impossible - there's nothing to be gained on either side.

Not that I care if I annoy the pig - but I don't care to waste my time trying to discourse with anyone who is in fact, at the end of the day, incapable of understanding.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Anon "Do not presume you can instruct me in anything" For Mayor

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Anon "Porky" @ 757pm

I have one too ...

"Never try to teach a Jim Bakker zombie to think. It wastes your time and annoys the zombie.

Craig said...

@7:57 . If you understand jim then great. For me though, jim lies so often what is there to understand except jim is a liar? He's in the literal since unbelievable!

Anonymous said...

To Anonymous @7:57!

Another Bakker supporter speaks in love and forgives his perceived enemies by calling them....dumb, losers, pigs, and a waste of time. Do you really believe your behavior is better than those who disagree with you. I believe your behavior makes your god proud!

If you don't want to waster your time here then don't. DUH!

Jessica said...

A Bakker lover posted saying we should repent and not judge and get right with the Lord...before Judgment Day. What is Judgment Day? Is that a day when Lord Bakker has to appear before the IRS...sounds like sowing and reaping judgment.

Pathetic Bakker lover....you are assuming I am a Christian. Sorry for your assumptions, but I'm not a Christian and I don't have your rules. I just hate liars and con artist who scam anybody. Its so nasty and so illegal.

Jimmie Bakker is just one preacher of many on television who hustle in the name of religion, but Bakker has the creep factor that caught my attention.

Wipe your nose and run to Daddy and tell on us "mean" posters that made you cry. Bakker will just laugh, because he still gets his money and NONE OF YOU matter to him. Maybe that is why you try so hard to believe in something that isn't true.

What are you going to do when you discover the only heavenly Father is the Jesus statue that stands out in the front and realize none of this means anything except a big payday for the Bakker Munster family. To make you feel better ask Kool Aid Kid for a piece of Dino cake. He is good people..and he'll never post 666 on your face.

Brother Dortch said...

My oh my has the place heated up tonight! Determining who is the right kind of Christian and who is the wrong kind of Christian is exactly what association with the infamous J.B. is all about in Blue Eye, MO.

Has anyone noticed that the quote by Pulitzer Prize winning author, Charles Shepard, that I have posted here not once, but four times, has not been commented on even once? Whay don't these "hollier than thou" personas want to discuss the issue? Oh wait! I think I got it. It is because the "wrong kind of Christian" posted them. Yep. that's it!

This blog is false and misleading but Jim Bakker is not false and always tells real truths at all times!

If someone ever thinks I believe this then please check yourself into a mental hospital ASAP. I would also like to add one more thing. Unlike the Bakker bunch, who have the amazing psychic ability to determine a poster's identity and gender without seeing the person, I have no such psychic abilities. For all I know, the above posts claiming to be two Bakker croonies, one former and one present, may possibly be fake. It could be one of the "students" for all I know.

The real truth is, if you want to discuss the issues, welcome! Come on down and let's discuss them! If you want to present yourself as being "A little closer to God than I am" or whatever witch hunt is going through your head at the moment, you certainly have come to the wrong place. But, having said all that, I know you'll be back. After all, this blog is far more interesting than watching 53:30 of tax-free commercials and, just maybe, 5 minutes of preaching...on a good day.

Tanya said...

Brother Dortch: thanks for answering. I thought there was a "graduation" every year - there has to be some tangible compensation I guess, 4 years = 4 diplomas + assorted certificates (by the way, I have actually managed to choose a screen name and stick with it, so I should get first crack at the Morningside Math Professorship).
I won't be at all surprised if Zach hangs around, doing whatever it is that he does - how can someone who posted videos of himself as "the Bossman," and allowed "666" to be written on his forehead go out into the real world? (or for that matter, who posted a video of himself dancing and singing "I like them Big and Chunky - quite the find, SusanD.)

SusanD: I knew that camera looked familiar!

And, Jim addressing the missing plaque adds more evidence to the pile that he knows what is being said on this blog - either that, or some donors have noticed the same thing and are complaining, take your pick. Did Jim give an end-date for the "giving?" From your post, SusanD, it sounds like the answer is "no" - this is a problem, Bakker-supporters (if Jim Bakker has *not* given an end-date to the giving), because the statue is at Morningside now... and I don't think China takes American Express.

re: Craig, 6:22pm - add one more poster to the list of people who have asked the Bakker-supporters to pick a screen name and keep it.

(and in other news, Uncle Henry has not returned - at least with that screen name - another concrete example of a Bakker-supporter who comes here and uses a screen name briefly... and disappears when evidence is presented that refutes their claims. I think ample time has been given for Uncle Henry to direct me to his/her answers - so I won't address any further posts that claim answers were given, except maybe to refer those posters to this post, and April 10 @6:21pm)

fed up with the fools at Morningside and JB ministries said...

To 7:09 who posted again at 7:15,

I have a serious issue with distortion! lol. My posts are not rants they share truths, and the truth hurts to liars! Christians don't judge, then why do you judge me, are you a christian? I need to repent but you don't! You are perfect and don't need to repent of your judging, critical behavior do you? Is that because you are a self righteous perfect christian who lives in the Bakker commune? Did it offend you that I pointed out last week was the most important week in the life of a christian, and JB show didn't even celebrate it on air? Or was it that I pointed out lies and distortions this ministry airs daily? I don't accuse, I call a spade a spade. Jim incriminates himself and this ministry daily. Nothing to distort I just point out the lies that come directly out of Jims mouth on the air with facts. Guess the hurts. Is my hateful heart worse than your hateful heart, I don't think so. I hate the things Jesus hates, I believe that puts me on the right side. Tell us were you one of the "christians" that attacked and harassed Susie Ruiz so bad she had to leave your commune? If you weren't, but didn't come to her defense then you are just as guilty as the attackers were. The way you Bakker supporters attack people here and in your compound disqualifies anything you have to say regarding the Gospel. Don't preach it if you don't live it!

SusanD said...

Tanya,
I agree. Jim was going down the list of things brought up on this blog. No mention that the school is fake... Maybe Jim will have Greg Brady say its real tomorrow lol

Craig said...

The way the bakker backers lie and steal identities, why would anyone ever give them a credit card number over the phone? After all, jim is a convicted scam artist .....

Awaiting The Sex Scandal said...

Greg Brady (Barry Williams) will have something for sale. It may be a book. It may be a CD. It may be a DVD or maybe he is making a personal appearance at one of the theaters or events in Branson that he is wishing to promote in hopes it will strengthen the attendance. Come back here tomorrow and tell me if I am right. I would be totally shocked to learn that he appeared on this show and sold nothing at all. I am betting that will not be the case.

SusanD said...

Tanya,
There was no time line on the plaque..

There is another video that Zach did with the same ID called Saturday night where he makes crank calls asking if people pooped their pant...He is a nasty piece of work lol here is the link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpdCcaFOuH0

Anonymous said...

To Anonymous @ 7:01,

You have a hard time understanding distortion don't you. When Jim claims a serving of his high sodium bucket food is a meal but isn't enough to feed a bird as many have pointed out, isn't that distortion? When he puts his Masters Media kids in some else's choir and calls it his own, isn't that distortion? Claiming Silver sol is a cure all, isn't that distortion? Saying some cockamamie sleep bands will help you sleep, isn't that distortion? Claiming you only make $400 a week but drive a new truck, buy a lake home, buy a big boat, take lots of vacations, dress in designer clothes, isn't that a distortion? When you say you were wrong the first time you scammed people and then go back to doing it again, isn't that a distortion? When you say that you will never go back to tv again, but then do, isn't that distortion? Boy you people that support Bakker sure distort the facts a lot! Have you listened to the liar for so long you can't figure out what distortion is anymore. Or maybe you have lived in a distorted, tortured mind all of your life. For those of us who use their minds, we don't have a hard time seeing the distortions of this sham ministry!

Tanya said...

SusanD: perhaps Jim needs more time to come up with an explanation for all the things that have been raised in this blog that makes his "school" fake. It is an overwhelming amount of evidence. And no timeline on the plaque... surprise, surprise.

I'd love to see someone address the issues brought up by "fed up with the fools at Morningside and JB ministries" @ 7:01pm.

The foodbuckets for Moldova orphans happened before I came across the Jim Bakker show - I find it bordering on unbelievable (yes, "bordering on," because I've seen the comments that Bakker-supporters post here) that Bakker-supporters don't question this - money raised, foodbuckets can't be shipped (another example of Jim not making plans without checking on legality - if Jim's claim about that obstruction is true), and the money raised goes... where?

Grammar school closed - I didn't know about that at all. No-one has addressed it in these comments that I've seen in my time here.

The fake "school" was already "Master's Media" when I found the Jim Bakker Show. But I notice that in recent weeks the Bakkers have returned to calling it "Master's Commission" when it suits them. Nobody seems to want to talk about the fake school, or why "Commission" was dropped from its official name.

Misleading information about the number of "meals" in a Foodbucket - haven't seen any posts addressing that topic.

No posts that address the information presented refuting the past students who have apparently gotten jobs. For example, one job was found to be an internship - not a permanent job with full employee benefits, therefore, does not meet criteria of a "job." (in the real world, "interns" are still classified as students) All we get is mindless repetition: "so-and-so does have a good job, so drop it" (or statements to that effect).

No new shows during the week preceding Easter weekend - no posts on that topic.

The list of unanswered questions/concerns is getting so long, it may have to have its own website.

Anonymous said...

To 9:05,

Barry Williams (Greg Brady) will have something to sell. He is appearing at the Yakov Theater in Branson this summer. Williams says his show will be a walk down memory lane from his Brady days, and other various activities on his resume.

His resume also includes a restraining order on the girlfriend he was living with. He has baby with this girlfriend. They are back together after a lot of drama. Living together but they still aren't married. I guess that behavior qualifies him as an upstanding "christian" in the Bakker community.

The whole seedy affair smacks of two has been stage actors using each other in desperation to get back in the lime light. Some people will do anything to make the money needed to live a greedy, self serving lifestyle.

Tanya said...

SusanD (9:16pm) - really nice... especially the one where Zach teases a woman who is just trying to do her job.

I see some of videos were posted in 2008 - was this behaviour part of the reason Zach's daddy sent him to Jim Bakker?

One thing that Zach has NOT grown out of is his love for stupid voices - just look at the generationNOW YouTube channel: Zach's "dramatic reading of Hosea" (Zach says in the beginning that he did this video because "the Word of God can get a little dry and boring").

Oh, and I see Zach posted a video in 2010 called "Crazy Alcoholic," we know he was at Morningside then seeing as how he "graduated" recently from his 4th year.

Take a look, Bakker-supporters, Zach's posting on YouTube under "ztdrew78" - this is the person Jim Bakker has chosen to be "Preacher Boy." This is who Jim Bakker thinks will reach the youth.

Here's an open question: how will Zach reach the youth with these videos? (note: please watch the videos if you are going to answer this question)

Anonymous said...

Regarding the posting at 12:03 - Branson Tri-Lakes News:

The news paper report quoted "Jim Bakker show General Manager Jerry Jones said the home (Lori's home) will give pregnant girls an alternative to abortion.
We find a lot of parents shun the kids out because they are disgraced, Jones said. We want to provide a real life option."

In light of their daughter Maria's indiscretions with a boy in the Masters Media, does it seem she was shunned out by Jim and Lori. There just seems to be so many contradictions with what the Bakkers asy and what they do.

No Nonsense Norski said...

Also this from the Branson Tri-Lakes News:

"Jones said the home will not only provide shelter, but medical care, counseling and vocational training."

Medical care and counseling?!? Sounds like an expensive proposition!

Doctors, nurses, medical equipment and counselors don't work for free - and I'm pretty sure Doctors Without Borders wouldn't be interested in helping out L'il Jimbo.

They have the Vo-Tech training covered by their indentured servitude program already in progress.

On another note: Looks like Johnny Depp is going to portray Jesco White of the Wild & Wonderful Whites of West Virginia. (If you're not familiar, check out their DVD on Netflix, or one of their YouTube spots:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3ysuG2O0zw

If they'll make a movie about Jesco and the Whites, can a production of The Little Jimmie Bakker Show (that Little Dickens!) be far behind?

Life IS stranger than fiction.

Brother Dortch said...

Tanya, The diploma and awards Zach received last week were his third set. He is now in his fourth year and will receive them in another year.

Regarding the defunct grammar school, I have known about that failed project for a long time but have simply opted not to comment on it.

Bakker often bites off more than he can chew, so to speak, and the work becomes shoddy. One of the reasons why "Kevin's House" was closed is because Jim ordered it built very quickly in only thirty days. When the inspectors came to see if it qualified as the "Group home for handicapped children" it was sold as, the codes were not correct and the home was later ordered to be shut down.

Cindy B. said...

"There is no credibility to this blog at all"

You have got to be kidding. There is so much credibility to this blog the people who support Bakker simply choose to go on another "witch hunt" and assume what has been presented here simply does not exist. All this while they give instructions on the proper way to be a Christian as the lies and half truths associated with this sham ministry continue on a daily basis. If you post anything on Jim's blog that is not pro-Jim it will never see the light of day or be read by anyone. Here, all posts are public, both good and bad, and that is something the frog would never do.

Anonymous said...

SO YOU SAY... you self-righteous old windbag at 8:51. Here's what I say: Jim and Lori Bakker DAILY have things happen as a direct result of their television ministry that are ETERNALLY counted to them as righteousness. DAILY hundreds of mail items come in where the first-person account of the people GIVE A FIRST HAND TESTIMONY of salvation, encouragement, and blessing. WHAT YOU SAY is so discounted by WHAT THEY SAY. You would probably stand up in their faces and say... NO YOU DIDN'T GET SAVED BECAUSE JIM OR LORI TOLD YOU THAT GOD STILL LOVES YOU even though you've sinned - YOU would probably try to talk them out of their encouragement by telling them NO YOU WEREN'T ENCOURAGED IN THE LORD because of Jim or Lori's words on the air. In fact, you accuse them day and night before the throne of God when the overwhelming evidence EVERY SINGLE DAY is that they are making a difference in the Kingdom of God for GOOD AND YOU ARE ACCUSING THEM AND SPEAKING EVIL OF THEIR GOOD. I'll tell you what I listen to, I listen to the testimonies of the people, not the self-righteous old windbags like you. HUNDREDS DAILY - THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS over Jim's lifetime have received Jesus or been reconciled back to Jesus through his preaching. I dare any of you to go back in that prayer room and read these testimonies that come in daily and then argue with them. I dare any of you to go to the files in the office and read the hundreds of thousands of testimonies that have come in over the years. You can't tell me that you are more righteous than they are and you are doing the Lord's work and they're not. All you have is an evil eye and all you see is evil. YOU would have bad-mouthed David, and Paul and Peter. There is one scripture that comes to mind when I think of you other than the ones that say to repent because you LIE!... The EVIDENCE is that people are alive today because Jim did something back in the 80's - People are serving God TODAY because Jim preached back then and still does today that Jesus is the Son of God who died on the Cross (for them!)but rose again and now sits at the right hand of God, and will soon return to this earth with all the saints - some of them who are coming with Jesus are BECAUSE of Jim's ministry AND YOU CAN'T TAKE THAT away and if I were you, I'd stop trying. YOU LIE when you say Jim doesn't preach the Gospel. YOU LIE when you say that he isn't doing God's work. THE EVIDENCE is overwhelming that HE IS DOING GOD'S WORK. THE EVIDENCE is written down and spoken every day by people who say he is - SO WHAT YOU SAY IS IRRELEVANT! Here's your scripture windbag: James 3 9-10 With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in God’s likeness. Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers, this should not be...

It shouldn't be. You are sinning. Stop it and repent!

I could give two hoots what these unregenerated heathens on this blog say... but you who profess Christ need to repent!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous @ 5:27 calls 8:51 a wind bag and then look at their posting, what a hypocrite!

You are right Cindy B these Bakker goons are always on a witch hunt. They are like dogs chasing their tails. They are compulsive haters who just can't help themselves they have to come here and bring their sick accusations against people who tell the truth about Jim Bakker and his ilk. In their self righteousness they go on and on preaching what they never practice. Then after their big speeches taking everyone to task that stands up to their bullying they say they we never come here to this blog again, they could give two hoots what these heathens say on this blog (lol, ya, ya right, that is why the wind bag went on and on with their hissy fit), Oh and I love the one "I will NOT be returning to a site as horrendous this to see". But they will be back with their lies, accusations, judgement, condemnation, and hate speeches.

Preach it to us you people from the Jim Bakker ministry, we all want to be as good a christians as you are, lololololololololol

Yep, when I stop being a heathen I want to be just like Jim Bakker and his zombies. ROFL!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

to the wind bag @ 5:27,

this is what I heard after I quit reading your looooooooooooong post mid ways through. blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Come to think of it when I listen to Jim that is all I hear too. The self righteous christians at the Jim Bakker ministry have come up with a new nonsensical language all their own.

The Bakker supporters create witch hunts because they don't have a leg to stand on in the face of facts that don't flatter them or their leader. It's a diversionary tactic to get the focus off the truths presented by intelligent people here about what liars the Bakker supporters and their leader are. If I was as immoral as the folks from Morningside I would have to create a fantasy world where I believe I am a good person too!

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Sick-Minded Bakker Zombie@527am

You vile old Jim Bakker zombie. I would imagine it sickens God that you attempt to burn all those around you that don't believe in your frog god with His words.

One of these days you find yourself in the bowels of hell and you can thank Jim Bakker for it.

Blessed are the peacemakers said...

When a christian is accused with lies about their behavior, or confronted with truths about their behavior; they should sit back quietly, reflect, pray, and if there is any merit in what has been pointed out about their behavior, repent. They should then respond to their accusers with the patience and love.

Someone brought up great men of God and I want to remind the Bakker believers how David handled his enemies. Please take note, people who were accusing David for no good reason: Psalm 109:45 In return for my love they accuse me, even as I make prayer for them. So they reward me evil for my good, and hatred for my love. Bakker supporters ask yourselves have you demonstrated any love for those who you believe are your enemies? Have you prayed for your enemies as David did for his? Are you justified in preaching the gospel to the heathens, as you call them? You do not have a good case to plead before the throne of God of being persecuted if you haven't behaved the way David did when attacked.

The Bakker supporters seem to only want to judge and accuse. Their conduct on this blog is disgraceful to say the least. All this fighting is bringing shame to the cause of Christ. If you are a christian please stop and think about what you are doing!

Craig said...

@5:27. When was the last time the fake pastor performed a baptism or offered communion? I have no doubt some poor lost souls have written jim with prayer requests and I also have no doubt that jim has answered those letters with a letter of his own begging for money from these lost souls. Fake and phony, that's all morningside is.

Anonymous said...

Greg Brady is pulling the same stunt Charlie Sheen pulled with his coast to coast tour. A lot of suckers out there.

Anonymous said...

Does the guy/gal who is the 100,000 visitor to this site win anything?? Don't they do that sometimes? I'm placing my money on Kool-aid-Kid to be the 100,000. Be nice if the 100,000 got $100,000.00!

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Jim "frog faced god" Bakker's ears open wider to the voice of his accountant than they do to the voice of God.

"But when you come to Heritage USA, remember to bring your Bible and your VISA card - because the Bible is the Holy Truth, and God doesn't take American Express." - Jim Bakker

SusanD said...

I am amazed after watching the show Jim had on TV today no mention of Easter, the whole 60 minutes was about his generator. Jim and Lori in bed with the blanket, using the washing machine. The funny part about his infomercial was he said “remember this generator is for emergency only” meaning with 600 watts it won’t power much of anything lol

Tanya said...

5:27am - talk about ranting. You know that typing in caps is the same as yelling, right? You posted a lengthy comment - which I have no objection to, I post lengthy ones myself - but yours was filled with INTERMITTENT SHOUTING and NO PARAGRAPHS TO BREAK UP THE BULK OF YOUR THOUGHTS.

Have you ever heard of the technique of "stream of consciousness writing?" Your post reminds me of that technique. Stream of consciousness gives insight into our inner dialogue. Your inner dialogue seems to have a lot of SHOUTING.

5:27am how exactly do you KNOW what 8:51 *would* say to people? Do you have a magic crystal ball or something? Read tea leaves? There is a difference between what someone thinks of Jim Bakker's behaviour, and what they *might* say if talking to a person who trusts Jim Bakker (and his pack of current lies, but you didn't address that, did you, 5:27am?).

Oh, and can you point us all to the show - Jim Bakker's TV show, the way he could reach the most people - where Jim talked about the meaning of Easter? And, could you point us to a recent Jim Bakker show, say in the last 2 months, where Jim Bakker has preached anything other than Revelation? Jim says people can't "pick and choose" out of the Bible - but he sure does.

Lots of people in these comments have self-identified as Christians - not that any of the Bakker-supporters have been able to explain how that is relevant - are you calling everyone who opposes Jim Bakker's behaviour a "heathen" based 100% on the fact that they don't support Jim Bakker?

Interesting... says more about you, actually, than it does about Jim Bakker.

Anonymous said...

The Bakker believers always want to point out the people led to Christ by his ministry. They never talk about how he has made christians look like fools. Christians are the butt of many jokes because of Jim and his followers. I know there are more people who want nothing to do with God because of Jim Bakker. Jim and his followers do more damage than good!

Anonymous said...

Kelsy at 7:19... you're STILL a self-agrandizing self-righteous hypocrit.

I suppose you are bringing honor to the cause of Christ by joining this 'community' of accusers and supporting this bastion of B.S.

You reek of hypocrisy and can tell me NOTHING about how to conduct myself as a Christian.

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Jim Bakker's brave new world is a place that is crushed, smashed and exploded to bits with his take on Revelation. Yes, it's the same person that believes a cheap piece of crap wrist band can control brain waves! What remains is a society in which people’s lives are really worse in many ways. Why you may ask would a person push such an idea? To sell surival gear to zombies and the simple minded tv viewers.

No dino cake for you frog.

Randy B. said...

hey everyone i am back now. sorry i was just a little buttfrustrated because, after giving jim a warm up massage i didnt get invited to the bath house. i also like to sleep with my daughter while my wife watches.
i am a lying thief who pretends to be a good representative of christ. i really enjoy being a deviant pervert. this blog really entertains me and my wife because all of it is true.
from our family to yours
praise to satan

Bakker Supporter Scared the Crap Out of Me So I Don't Keep an Account Anymore said...

I appreciate that you want to attribute that comment to me, TBC - apparently I still get under your skin. Sorry, but I didn't write that.

Why do you keep trying to persecute me?

-Kelsey

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Anon LOUD ZOMBIE TALKER @ 527am and 959am

... and you are still a stupid Bakker zombie ( a wee bit deaf too )

You didn't hear me? Oh...

... AND YOU ARE STILL A STUPID BAKKER ZOMBIE.

Say, can I interest you in the Lori Hearing Aid love gift? Cheap. Made in China. I'll throw in a pair of free lifts for your SHORT husband. The poor bastard. ;(

burnjimburn said...

kelsey that is crazy some zombie tried to get a bite of you. i guess they gotta try and silence the truth when they can.

Die hard said...

to 7:19. I'm a Christian but if someone slaps my cheek I hit back twice as hard. I'm sick and tired of people who claim to be Christians come up with the lame "turn the other cheek" bit. To me, and I may be wrong, that is another excuse for just being scared to fight back. I taught my kids to trust in God but also to keep the powder dry. God helps those who help themselves, but God help those "caught" helping themselves to something that is mine. Included dignity. Also the way I look at it anyone who blasphemes in my presence I consider they are doing the blasphemy for my so-called benefit so they get a pay back coming. These trolls here who bad mouth Bakker and Christians can rest assurd they do it under the protective pall of a computer and not in my area of particular.

R. Brown said...

wow die hard. you say that from behind the safety of your own computer. i think you are probably down on your hands and knees right now servicing jim in the holy name. yeah i think i got you pegged because i randy b. also serviced jim. im not sure why you said keep your powder dry. we dont use muskets anymore. but i guess your probably just a pretend badass who obviously has no understanding of modern munitions. you fake piece of trash.
from my family to yours
all hail satan

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Okay Die Hard it's the night of the big fight. Are you up for it? The "Bucket" is tough and I hope you are ready to take a beating.

"I'm a Christian but if someone slaps my cheek I hit back twice as hard."

Good. Good. That's my boy! I know you have been working out hard lately.

"I taught my kids to trust in God but also to keep the powder dry."

Easy easy champ, this is a boxing match not a shooting range. Relax boy, relax.

"God helps those who help themselves, but God help those "caught" helping themselves to something that is mine"

I love it champ! You've got yourself in a zombie rage. Good boy!!

"These trolls here who bad mouth Bakker and Christians can rest assurd they do it under the protective pall of a computer and not in my area of particular."

DING!!!!!

Okay champ get out in the ring and make them pay in the name of Jesus and the frog .... ooops.

The "Bucket" sent "Die Hard" to the floor with just one punch!!!!

DING DING DING

No cake for you Die Hard.

Florenda said...

On the Graduation show, I could swear that was Michael Cole of "Voices of Glory" in the audience. I guess he's come back to the family. I thought that the Morningside Choir were excellent. It looks like there are going to be many happy days ahead for them all. Also I'm glad they extended Zach's contract for another year and he'll be back to continue as color commentator along with kevin.

Anonymous said...

To Anonymous @ 9:59,

It is apparent that no one can tell you anything about how to conduct yourself as a christian, because you certainly don't behave like one. By the way, aggrandizing is spelled with 2 g's, but using that big word made you feel important, didn't it!

The postings against the Jim Bakker ministry presented here hurt you deeply don't they. Could that be because there is an element of truth to what is being told? Your anger exposes your unstable personality! Have you seen someone for your anger disorder? Depending on the diagnosis it may be able to be treated with drugs and psychotherapy. In the meantime your hateful responses don't address any of the issues and questions raised in a mature or helpful way. I want you to realize your hateful discourse does not help your cause. Wouldn't your time be better spent refuting the things posted that you disagree with in a civil way. Your hostility makes you and your leader Jim look guilty of all the charges.

Jessica said...

Why are the Bakker supporters so angry? We're not attacking Jesus. We are having a discussion of the truth and the facts about the notorious Jim Bakker.

Bakker's crowd whines and cry fake tears just like their leader and play the victims..just like Bakker. Maybe they can use these skills in the future when Bakker is not around.

If, as you all scream, we are so evil..then none of the evil facts should bother you. If Bakker is not guilty of anything, then leave and go back to your chair and enjoy your show.

If Jesus loves Bakker so much that he speaks to him at night, he should strike us down and cause lightning to end Ron's blog....but here I am on Thursday just typing away watching the Bakker show and laughing my buns off.

I don't care what happens to any of you zombies, young or old. I use to think that the old people were being misled by Bakker, but it isn't so. They know exactly what they are doing. The oldies were around when the first Bakker scam was going on.

Zombies...CHILL! You protest too much. Makes me wonder.

Dino "Special" K. said...

Kool-aid-Kid worst in what ways? You little weasel you speak like you pretend to know what you speak of. You dazzling bullshit con artist. No dino cake for you either!!!!

Anonymous said...

Lol, Kool-Aid, keep reloading you should be able to run the crazy bakker nuts off with a musket. Otherwise blast them with a nuke.

I taught my kids to trust God and keep the powder dry...rofl...these Bakker kooks are great intertainment!

This is why I don't take christians seriously, bunch of fruitcakes. lol

Thanks KAK, for the fun. Between you and Ron I have never laughed so hard! I'll keep coming back for more of this!

Tanya said...

@Die hard: I absolutely agree with you - fight back! Can you fight back with anything substantive, as Ron suggested?

Tell me, Die hard, who on this blog has "blasphemed?" The definition of "blasphemed" is to speak irreverently about God or sacred things. This blog and its comments are about the behaviour of Jim Bakker. I haven't seen any comments that blaspheme - unless you are counting Jim Bakker as a "sacred thing" (or God, for that matter, but that couldn't be... could it?)

And look - Die hard is doing what a Bakker-supporter complained about (that Bakker-supporters are automatically labelled "zombies") - "these trolls here who bad mouth Bakker and Christians..."

Die hard, you just took the "lazy" route (as said by a Bakker-supporter) and automatically labelled anyone who opposes Jim Bakker's behaviour a "troll."

Nobody has bad-mouthed Christians.

A lot of people have posted compelling questions about Jim Bakker's actions at Morningside.

I'm not entirely clear on your last sentence - "...rest assured they do it under the protective pall of a computer and not in my area of particular" - but it sounds quite like a threat of physical violence. You did say you would "slap back twice as hard."

So, basically, you don't fight back by presenting compelling answers to the questions in these comments, or presenting evidence supporting Jim Bakker - which is how one would fight back in a forum such as this - you fight back by implying that those of us who oppose Jim Bakker's behaviour better not say anything against Jim Bakker in your presence, or else.

Classy.

R. Brown said...

uh-oh we got us a bakker bad ass. hes coming barrel loaded and he pulls back the hammer......oh wait its a musket and he didnt keep his powder dry...and he went down again folks tried to punch someone twice as hard as the bucket and threw his shoulder out. yeah he is now being sexually assaulted by his corner man zach drew. wow what a show.
thats the bell round two is over

Anonymous said...

Wahoo KAK, Keep the powder dry and keep giving it to the zombies with both barrels blazing!

Zombie Prepper said...

Everyone, quick, into the barn: The zombies are attacking again! Board up the windows and TURN OFF THE GODDAMN LIGHTS!

We'll get through this just like we got through it last time. Just keep preaching the good word and sticking to the truth, that'll take the wind outta their sails.

Someone help me line the pathways with cheap, well-read Bibles. These zombies are allergic to them, so we can funnel them into smaller less-dangerous groups that way. DON'T USE A BAKKER BIBLE THOUGH! The $100 Bakker Bibles have secret codes in them that give the zombies strength.

KAK, you're in charge of the Dino Cake hurler. Be careful though: If you miss, they'll follow the scent and come looking for a snack.

Arrghh! Arghh arg argh!!

Here they come!

Anonymous said...

As is sometimes a man needs to do certain things to retain a title of a man, so Kool-aid-Kid does certain things to retain title of Troll (2nd class).

Kool-Aid Kid said...

To Dino "Special" K.

Does the last name Huxley mean anything to you? No? Okay, then my statement made no sense to you at all and probably you're not going to find that writer in your personal library is my guess.

That's fine, I wasn't hungry anyways. ;)

Kool-Aid Kid said...

Anon@1151am

My my ... now you caught my attention. Troll-speak.

FIGHT! If u be men!! said...

11:42...Typical troll behavour, when the going gets tough, retreat from the field and hide in the first barn or manure pile you come across and hope they take your women and go away. For shame, For shame!!!

Craig said...

KAK. You shouldn't have fed the strays. Now they just keep coming with back begging for more. Lol.

Ron said...

Hey guys, I just submitted a complaint to the Trinity Foundation. I urge others to do the same. A link is included for your convenience at upper right, below the image of Jim Bakker fake-crying.

I would also suggest filing a complaint with the FTC, citing Bakker's claims about Silver Sol (specifically his claim that it 'cures malaria').

Does anyone know the capacity of his battery pack aka fuel-less generator? Bakker has claimed it will power an electric heater, which sounds absurd and possibly dangerous to me. I'm thinking of reporting this one to the FTC too.

I might be working a new post tomorrow but I'm not sure yet. I'm very, very busy at the moment.

SusanD said...

Ron,
600 Watt Fuel-Less Generator model which includes: one 100 Watt Foldable Solar Panel, one twenty foot 12 VDC solar panel Extension Cord. Thats why I said it will power maybe 1 light, and maybe something else that is under 600 watts

Chubbs said...

Yes Dortch I am still with the Morningside band. Didnt you see me singing "Brighten the corner" in the latest episode that aired on tv!

Also, stop promoting the propaganda written by George Shepard!

Harmony Hayes said...

Everyone please stop the hate and listen to my new video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7vp2p6AE_o&feature=player_embedded

Anonymous said...

To Chubbs:

Why should Brother Dortch stop promoting the stuff written by George Shephard?

How about you stop promoting Jim Bakker?

Everyone should think like a zombie, talk like a zombie, and act like a zombie. Then the zombies little world at Morningside would be perfect.

Mike "MC" said...

Be at 10;58; Yo!! Dat be me. What it is girl?

Anonymous said...

"God helps those who help themselves" isn't a piece of scripture and can't be found in the Bible at all.

To turn the other cheek, however, IS a command - apparently one that can be discarded when convenient.

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